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[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: Cook
we CAN'T let em cook

[HighPrincessErinys]

its like, orange/yellow

[HighPrincessErinys]

Did you know fire can be invisible?

[HighPrincessErinys]

If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

[HighPrincessErinys]

hi i just got some good news so

VOTE: iamveryhappy

What's the good news?

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If a green fire burns down the lawn then the fire WOULD be greener than the grass.

albeit for only a little bit. then it would be brown.

the fire would still be greener than the grass until it disappeared

Exactly, this is why we have to vote Cook, she's scumslipping...

[HighPrincessErinys]

wait
I think I found scumteam
Using sheep's votecount, we can see that HighPrincessErinys and KatyKimFanClub are at the top
that usually means scum.
now many ppl are suspecting cook here
given that my theory in #77 is right the users at the bottom must be vanilla, and cook is also vanilla, but a goon!
T3 might be a goon here as well
so basically hpe + kkfc + t3/cook is my scumteam rn

But what about ausuka/arsi who are also at the top just tied...... Seems like flawed logic to me..........

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: cook

And what brings you to the wagon?

[HighPrincessErinys]

UNVOTE: Cook
Removing my RVS vote that this one has zero attachment to. Importantly, this one is very curious about how and why this wagon has picked up so fast.

[HighPrincessErinys]

There's nothing protown about rushing a wagon to E-2 within like 4 hours of the game starting.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: HighPrincessErinys

You're REALLY confusing me now.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I like the Cook vote

Whose?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Wagons are pro-town they aren't being pushed into kill range for literally no reason on the first fucking real-life day of the game. Can you ACTUALLY show me that we got anything out of 5 votes on Cook, a minimum of two of which were RVS and the rest with flimsy reasoning like "vibes"?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Town doesn't E-2 someone when it wants info it E-2s someone when they're a top scumread and people want them dead.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Either way this one is suspect of the wagon getting so far so fast on so little reasoning to vote.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you and hpe know each other or something?

no. they just kinda started doing this

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Also going to be real this one has not super parsed most of the discussion since it stopped posting because it's not really sure what we're actually talking about.

[HighPrincessErinys]

wat

This one TRIED but it didn't really understand, only vaguely. It seemed like scumread stuff and more on the whole flashwagons thing though. This is probably because it read while 1) tired from staying up late and 2) tired from having just woken up. It will take a more proper reread later.

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This one was thinking the Cook wagon had minimal casing going on and it understands why now. It and Katy were just RVS votes, Invis was a joke vote following my joke push, fireisred's vote was vibes which he only elaborated on close to 100 posts later and after he'd already left the wagon to get on me, and Ausuka actually presented a case. This one supposes with actual hindsight and analysis that it was overreacting considering only 2 of the 5 votes had anything to do with scumreads, but it's still kind of a weird wagon.

If

there's scum on the wagon it's likely Ausuka or red, but it could really just be a silly wacky wagon that just kinda materialized, and it thinks that might be more likely?

[HighPrincessErinys]

italiano's posts were mostly defending himself from candybargate

LMAOOOO

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Wow, apparently I'm late to the party.

Cook's posts reminded me you exist and this one also similarly wants to see more out of you, so have a notification.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Invis is my mason buddy. Stop playing Invis.

[HighPrincessErinys]

i don't like that mason claim, ESPECIALLY now that it fell flat.

This is interesting. So you think the mason claim was scummy even ignoring the fact that Invisibility denied it. Does that mean you think it clearly wasn't serious? Or that you think it was serious but a gigabrain scum play for some reason?

idk if there was really a world where anyone could take that mason claim seriously considering it came out of nowhere and involved Invis ("Stop playing Invis" even though she currently was not being pushed nor was pushing italiano or anything similar.

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This one doesn't wanna immediately jump to "Scum!!!!!!" on Italiano but this has been such a strange fucking play.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Definitely a scumlean. There's a chance it's something town does but it's like... why the fuck would they do that?? Why would SCUM do that?? It honestly makes no sense in general.

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Yeah now that this one is ISOing him and remembers the Italiano "i want town vibes" and... ahem... candybargate incidents, this one is not feeling super good about Italiano. He seems to just openly want to be townread without giving a reason and to buddy up with Invis in particular? For some reason?

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Yeah now that this one is ISOing him and remembers the Italiano "i want town vibes" and... ahem... candybargate incidents, this one is not feeling super good about Italiano. He seems to just openly want to be townread without giving a reason and to buddy up with Invis in particular? For some reason?

Is iamveryhappyscum?

That's a completely unrelated question. Do not personally think so right now, no.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Really don't know what Asri's gameplan is in general, or why they're copying my speech pattern, actually.

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unrelated but this one. thinks its solved the asri mystery after it saw they were indeed speaking like this one in prior games. huhn.

[HighPrincessErinys]

unrelated but this one. thinks its solved the asri mystery after it saw they were indeed speaking like this one in prior games. huhn.

why did you think they were copying you to begin with lol

This one initially took a cursory glance at like one or two pages of their meta outside this game and they seemed to speak normally, but then it finally saw their Hollow Knight posts. It's a bit more complicated than that but this one is pretty sure it knows what's up atleast.

[HighPrincessErinys]

more to the point does it matter to the game

Nope.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Spoiler:

ok so my issue with HPE came initially from the response to the cook wagon, and i wanted to see how it responded to a vote on itself when it was being so reactionary in a way that to me felt overexaggerated and performative

the response didn't really give me much, and i am not very familiar with the player aside from some loose reading of the team mafia game ausuka referenced, so i went to read some town games to get a feel for how it thinks

and in micro 1074 the way it approached the early game seemed really disconnected from the way it did here

Spoiler: from another game

VOTE: KittyTacky
Consider this RVS 2: The Squeakquel more than anything, but this one wants to say that after giving it a little thought, isn't it kind of... good?? To get a wagon going?? Pressuring a slot that we literally know nothing about is good, it thinks.

VOTE: KittyTacky
Consider this RVS 2: The Squeakquel more than anything, but this one wants to say that after giving it a little thought, isn't it kind of... good?? To get a wagon going?? Pressuring a slot that we literally know nothing about is good, it thinks.

Why kitty though

idk something possessed me.

kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.

I actually don't like this post

This one doesn't particularly see anything wrong with it at this point of the game when we're still trying to get activity going. If this was a midgame "hey this person isn't talking thats sus" it'd be a different story, but getting people engaged is good rn.

and highprincessemerys is pinging me the wrong way

And what makes you say that?

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

Yeah, we still have zilch info for like two and a half RL days in. Anything to advance gamestate is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are. Obviously when we're only like 80 posts in these won't be very solid reads, but it still wants to hear everyone's thoughts right now. For this one it's probably Abne and... this one doesn't really scumread anyone at this point esp since it doesn't personally feel/see anything with that one Abne post, but it'd like more posts from Arko and NK15.

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

e-2 doesn't really risk a quickhammer imo.

You're probably right. This one will think on a vote or not while it does some other stuff.

VOTE: Kowahbunga

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

e-2 doesn't really risk a quickhammer imo.

You're probably right. This one will think on a vote or not while it does some other stuff.

VOTE: Kowahbunga

This looks scummy to me because they wanted to act like they wanted to get on my wagon, but gave a reason why they weren't, then someone convinces them to put that vote down. So are they scumreading me or not? If they were, would they need to be convinced to vote me? Like I would probably understand a well thought out and good argument being presented to them and they have a moment of clarity and vote. But the literal reason provided is "don't worry about a quickhammer" "oh okay, vote" wtf?

You're somewhat disregarding the actual length of time between the post that says "hmm lemme think about it" and the vote, as well as the fact this one didn't have qualms about a vote on you in general, but rather qualms about you up and dying early as hell, even on a slow game like this. You're at E-1 now, so it thinks that's a somewhat reasonable fear, but at the very least an overzealous hammer by someone now would give something to look into during D2. That being said, it doesn't feel like risking said overzealous hammer in the first place before you even can claim. UNVOTE: Kowahbunga

there's initial voting and pressuring people for the sake of getting the game moving rather than for suspicion (and how wagoning people to get others engaged is a good thing), then there's some complaining about how nothing is happening and that the gamestate needs to be advanced

all of this feels like a pretty different mindset already, i would expect the person who makes these posts to understand the concept of a pressure wagon and not respond to one by saying "there is nothing pro town about this"

but then there's also an interesting little moment where HPE doesn't want to vote a player bc it would put them on E-2 too early. another player says "that isn't such a big deal", and then after some thinking, HPE concedes the point and places the vote

and again when unvoting later the explanation feels more like it understands the usefulness of pressuring people early in order to get the gamestate moving



now, there is a pretty big difference between these two situations, despite the position in terms of post number being pretty similar. in the previous game, the E-2 vote came after 4 irl days, and the game was moving pretty slow and stalling a bit. here it was only a few hours in, so i get how that would be different

there is also some of that similar hesitancy to vote people due to risk, but still, the reaction in this game seems disproportionate given how it acted in the other game, and that kinda makes me think that it was playing up and overexaggerating something that it knows it does care about as town. i just think it pushed it a little past the point where the mindset feels real to me

This one honestly barely remembers what went down in that game in general, and at this point it thinks that it just goes from game to game doing what it can to Live and Win. That being said it did bring up the Cook wagon and it overreacting in 318.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one doesn't really recall people really going "hey you're overreacting" all that much by the time it made that post, but it could be wrong.

[HighPrincessErinys]

forgot about the game and was doing shit all day
uh

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one thinks it'd be willing to ball on italiano??

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one thinks it'd be willing to ball on italiano??

to ball?

vote kill destroy

[HighPrincessErinys]

this one thinks it'd be willing to ball on italiano??

Because of the sus?

Yeahhh he's not really giving himself a good look.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually this one might have misread the question?? It's almost 3am. Not an OMGUS either way. Bro's just plain lookin' weird.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually this one might have misread the question?? It's almost 3am. Not an OMGUS either way. Bro's just plain lookin' weird.

This one was referencing his sus on it. If it wants to say why the cook sus from him is looking weird?

The only thing this one would really wanna bring up wrt Italiano's read is the seeming gap in his progression, as he states multiple times he townreads me before saying he might be willing to vote me in 567. Just wondering what's up with that.

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Cook push wasn't what this one was referring to.

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This one apologizes for just kinda floating around in the background for a while now, it's just kinda lost the plot it thinks and it's probably not gonna be until D2 that it gets a fresh ball rolling, maybe.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one apologizes for just kinda floating around in the background for a while now, it's just kinda lost the plot it thinks and it's probably not gonna be until D2 that it gets a fresh ball rolling, maybe.

do you have any thoughts on maybe the last three pages?

Main thing this one super parsed was Cook AtE which it does feel is kinda towny, but if you want to shake me for info you're best off asking about specific posts and shit this one can quickly ISO and get an idea of because it just has NOT been following these long argument chains unfortunately.

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This one apologizes for just kinda floating around in the background for a while now, it's just kinda lost the plot it thinks and it's probably not gonna be until D2 that it gets a fresh ball rolling, maybe.

do you have any thoughts on maybe the last three pages?

Main thing this one super parsed was Cook AtE which it does feel is kinda towny, but if you want to shake me for info you're best off asking about specific posts and shit this one can quickly ISO and get an idea of because it just has NOT been following these long argument chains unfortunately.

Following arguments is like 80% of the game. Why are you ignoring them?

Who fuckin' knows why, this one just can't follow along at some point and then massively loses track for the rest of the day if not game. Maybe this one is just too distractable from the game.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Probably need to take a short Mafia break until that FFXIV game hits sign-ups later this month.

[HighPrincessErinys]

In the interest of not being dead weight atleast this one has picked a random point in Asri's ISO and done it's best to work from there because looking at Asri seems like a good idea.

Spoiler: beeg

You offer no meaningful input on Erynis or cook? The invis townread when invis is sussing you. You call this a defense is also a case.

All your interactions are surface level, reactionary and narrative rather than context orientated.

What's wrong with a townread on someone scumreading you? There are definitely cases you can think someone townie for how and why they're casing you.

This one only skimmed but this might be a camouflaged distraction vote from scum! Black

Weird fucking take even on a skim.

These are hedge reads

{Fire, Asri, HPE, happy} these are my strongest townreads. I kinda want to townread Katy too

Fire: Obvious town. Ausuka is dubious, Black needs them.
Asri: This one didn't expect this. Black is dodging things with this townread. Asri probably here to either lower suspicion or have an excuse to dodge discussions.
HPE: Something might be up here
Happy: Maybe also here but far less likely than Erynis by this one's current instincts.
Katy: Probably town, here to gain vote support.

This one finds it interesting you mention Katy here even though Katy goes completely unmentioned in Black's post, let alone in their townreads. It's interesting on Black's side that Katy is absent too, but still. 745 is just kind of a weird post in general in terms of vibes but this one can't pin anything concrete.

This one just keeps tallying the cook and Erynis dodges then. There is no rush.

???

There's a lot of them.

I don't even know what you're talking about. Stop being cryptic and use your words

This one did make a big post read that.

You didn't mention anything about "erynis and cook dodges" anywhere in that post

If you had a town mentality this one would have humored you. The responses on this page indicate such is not the case.

And if you had a town mentality, you would have understood well enough what this one was saying and defended appropriately. As scum you most probably also do but chose to go for the public support route and looking good by talking rather than the rational dissection town would have jumped into here.

Your reads are scum hedge reads.
That's all this one has to say, and did.

Going to be real the vibes on this post are like. Awful?? "Here's some vague shit you didn't pick up which means you aren't town, also your reads are shit. This one will not provide any elaboration, goodbye."

#745: Asri disputes each and every one of Black's reads.

Black's response in series:

Why would you not vote for me here if you are this convinced I'm scum?

Unaware of Asri vote, or appearing to be.

Don't avoid my question

No input on their false reads.

Yes. Literally the only question I've asked you recently lol. Wtf?

No input on their false reads. Only focuses on Asri not voting when Asri is voting. Are aware of the building wagon them, but seemingly not paying attention to who's on it.

I don't even know what you're talking about. Stop being cryptic and use your words

No input on their false reads. #745 had a lot of words that are decidedly uncryptic.

You didn't mention anything about "erynis and cook dodges" anywhere in that post

No input on their false reads.

Can you not answer for people? Thanks

Salty scum.

Oh so you just want to be annoying? Got it...

Salty scum.

You don't make any sense. My mentality has nothing to do with not understanding you

No input on their false reads.

Asri I hope you feel really dumb after my flip

No input on their false reads.

Dude I'm not dodging anything and I've asked you multiple times to explain what you mean and you just want to play cryptic word games. It's really annoying

No input on their false reads.

Omfg

Fuck this. I'm not engaging with you anymore

I'm actually gonna dip for a bit

I think Invis feels better after our exchange. Asri is annoying af but he's probably town. And Ausuka is still probably scum

Fears a looming Invisibility vote. Knows scumreading Asri is the wrong play here.

This one needs to re-read past Black posts and re-evaluate fireisredsir.

That's it, have fun!

Also rancid vibes.

This one isn't really super sure how to read Black atm (that's an ISOing for another time) but it definitely thinks there's some extremely uncharitable and kinda mean-spirited interpretation of uh, literally everything they're saying here from Asri. This casing doesn't convince me of scum!Black it just makes me feel bad for them putting up with it. Most importantly it just doesn't read as a towny casing or really... TRYING to case at all, it's moreso an attempt to force an interpretation of "these are FAKE scum reads! these are FAKE scum interactions!" to me. Posts like 819 and 825 reinforce this idea because they're either needlessly hostile or scum trying to bury someone. Considering this one hasn't been voting for a while it's going to officially say Fuck It We Ball because this just gives me the heebie-jeebies.

VOTE: Asri Teroka

[HighPrincessErinys]

Ignored the spoiler this one has no time for that fluff.

you are literally not even reading everything this one is saying oh my god

[HighPrincessErinys]

does the link even work

Does for me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

????????????

[HighPrincessErinys]

Weren't you getting up fire's ass for voting Italiano earlier???

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VOTE: italiano

This one admits you were right, it was too early to have you as hard town.

VOTE: italiano

This one admits you were right, it was too early to have you as hard town.

im pretty sure scum in this position are gonna be the ones hard encouraging you and baiting you to continue your tunnel

Right now you're either scum or trying to help them. Either way this one see no value in you, Black's reads are scum reads and neither you nor Black will change this narrative by attacking the player and not the case.

Black is obviously backed into a corner.

This one will see what your agenda is by studying earlier posts. Your vote on Italiano for one would be a clumsy move from you as scum but under certain specific circumstances warranted. Furthermore the above narrative reeks like you being informed about someone's alignment at least.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This shit gives me FrogsterKing flashbacks honestly.

[HighPrincessErinys]

VOTE: italiano

This one admits you were right, it was too early to have you as hard town.

VOTE: italiano

This one admits you were right, it was too early to have you as hard town.

im pretty sure scum in this position are gonna be the ones hard encouraging you and baiting you to continue your tunnel

Right now you're either scum or trying to help them. Either way this one see no value in you, Black's reads are scum reads and neither you nor Black will change this narrative by attacking the player and not the case.

Black is obviously backed into a corner.

This one will see what your agenda is by studying earlier posts. Your vote on Italiano for one would be a clumsy move from you as scum but under certain specific circumstances warranted. Furthermore the above narrative reeks like you being informed about someone's alignment at least.

See?

You are hilarious if you think this is supportive of the vote.

[HighPrincessErinys]

My vote is permalocked onto Asri until they're out tbh because they are like, actively harmful to the cohesion of the game beyond just being a prick at this point.

[HighPrincessErinys]

No shot we policy lim D1

We'll see.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also this one made a genuine scumread vote BEFORE Asri went and truly tipped the scales into making negative sense, so...

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also this one made a genuine scumread vote BEFORE Asri went and truly tipped the scales into making negative sense, so...

Not genuine.

You're scum with Cook.

Blah blah blah make an actual case for once instead of repeatedly calling reads fake and scum and refusing to elaborate.

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This shit is so tiresome.

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I think if one of Cook/Asri flips scum we yeet the other

...Flips town you mean??

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also forgot to say but Happy Birthday Ausuka! Sorry it's uh, like this.

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This one said like 50 times in it's big post that Asri seems to be taking everything you say to an extreme of "actually scum said this" so like.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Hmm actually you might just be town. If this one says they like you do their reads at least become half real?

insane post

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do the people voting asri think asri is scum in present moment or are these still about the chaosposting

can we get a check in from y'all

Both.

[HighPrincessErinys]

why play the game when you could get in complicated tangents that have nothing to do with solving

you could also just awkwardly orbit the game after getting your soul drained by it like me

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one's gut is saying that sure whatever T3 is a fine elim?

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h