Normal 2302: Magical Girls | GAME OVER

[Hu Tao]

Hello

[Hu Tao]

hi guys,

just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.

on another note,
VOTE: Elements

Instant townread. I'm also town so no need to worry about my slot. Takes it from 11 to 10. We got this!

[Hu Tao]

Hello

General

Sargent?

[Hu Tao]

It's not a block. Just 2 players that are taking a leap of faith. I Town read it.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: towwl

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: hu tao

I'm having flashbacks

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: hu tao

I'm having flashbacks

I'll bite

Why towwl

Why flashbacks

Do I need a reason to vote someone a few pages in?

And because you thought I was scum for the most part of the early game last game. So I have to decide if your reasoning is valid or not

[Hu Tao]

Town

Emperor flippyNips
Towwl
Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy
Hu Tao
DrippingGoofball
sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
geraintm
curiouskarmadog
bristep123

Scum

That's a very detailed list for a few pages in

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Knee jerk reflex vote.

VOTE: dripping

A wise person once told me to always vote someone who feels the need to explain their vote early on like this. Makes it seem like you're trying to justify yourself to town

[Hu Tao]

also basically nai

i actually disliked daisy first post so it offput me a little when hu tao called it town

but then i started liking hu tao more and i liked daisy a bit more

i guess neither really for their exchange lol

What made you like me more

[Hu Tao]

Seems early to catch someone in a lie, but here we are. work me through this timeline.

Post 38-I am town

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

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Post 56--I am at the top of her scum chart.

Town

Emperor flippyNips
Towwl
Morning Tweet
OopsieDaisy
Hu Tao
DrippingGoofball
sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Merlyn
geraintm
curiouskarmadog
bristep123

Scum

post 71---I vote her for a reaction check.

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

post 88---you tell me I am at the top of your scum list

weeeee......and we are doing stuff.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball..for old time sake.

You can be town for now

VOTE: Elements

what about now?

As I'm sure you can see from my readlist, you are in the scum zone

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when I ask why, you said it was because of post 72 and 73...which OCCUR AFTER YOU PUT ME ON YOUR SCUM LIST. So 72 and 73 IS NOT the reason I was on your scum list. Why lie?

first time I voted you was a reaction check, voting you again as this is my first real vote.

VOTE: Elements

I agree his reads list have been hogwash

[Hu Tao]

I think both Elements and sheep are town

Elements' strategy is lousy though in the sense that you can get things happening without fucking lying

But I recognize the idea there and it's a pretty stark contrast to what im used to

Yeah I don't see the elements town read

[Hu Tao]

Dripping still seems the most suspect me so far. I'm fine with staying there

[Hu Tao]

Ah jeez I said on the other hand twice in the same paragraph that's kinda cringe

Thoughts on drip?

[Hu Tao]

daisy how much forum experience do u have

It's spread over a bunch of sites, but I think I've played like 10 forum games over the past 10 years, so I average about a game a year lol.

this is wild to me wtf

Care to explain whats different between last game and this to make you think I'm 'wolfy'

[Hu Tao]

I think ur contributions are just kinda disappointingly low quality (dripping as a legit push, the elements sus, weaksauce questions) and last game I was an enjoyer of ur thoughts

You weren't around early game last game when people were pushing me for similar reasons and you were replacing a scum slot so invalid.

[Hu Tao]

Ah jeez I said on the other hand twice in the same paragraph that's kinda cringe

Thoughts on drip?

Drip as in like, someone wearing some swaggy clothes? Or is this a forum mafia term I'm not familiar with?

If it's the former yea I love it when people wear the clothes they like and look super drippy in em

Or you know.. the person with drip in their name..

[Hu Tao]

I am free from Atlanta. Unfortunately they are taking me back to Atlanta sometime next month probably if I'm not fired by then. Regardless, I have more time now to obsess over this game. I just read through the thread again and here's a rough readslist for now

just think they are town

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curiouskarmadog
OopsieDaisy

town enough for now

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geraintm
Morning Tweet

could easily go either way

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Save The Dragons
Merlyn
sheepsaysmeep
Hu Tao

am sus of

DrippingGoofball
bristep123
Emperor flippyNips
Elements

Wanna vote drip?

[Hu Tao]

It's funny how the people who were town last game and scumread me as town last game. Continue their scumread this game

[Hu Tao]

Not enough time has passed or enough interactions has passed for me to give a good faith reads list that I feel comfortable with.

[Hu Tao]

Okay..time to update this game. I used this mostly as notes for myself, when I go back to reread. But if there is something here you want me to expound upon let me know.

I left off, I caught Elements in a direct lie. When caught she state she was trying to get thing moving, but didnt clarify when we were supposed to take her seriously. All around this is super scummy. My last post was 168, page 7 (we are now on 12). Further more she used a vague term like "it felt flat" when explaining why something was scummy. I just out of a game where scum tried to say I was scummy because, "my scum hunting was inorganic". Also vague and he couldnt explain or give me a examples of what inorganic was. I made fun of this for pages to come, he eventually night killed me just to get me out of his hair (he said I was smug..heheh). Vague explanations are classic scum moves. At any rate, I expect to be killed here sooner than later.

169, Elements asks if I was going to meta her (or what?. I will relax, I have been gone.
170, Elements DOES explain they town read people when they have more energy. At the time I was one of the top posters, so this is bullshit. This whole post is kind of lame and is either scummy, or lacks the ability to think through scum hunting technics.
173/174, Elements states STD hasnt said much in the game (right after they posted), STD immediately states his worry that he usually think Elements is scum (when town) early.
178, Merlyn misread my comment. Asks me about meta. I said it was pointless NOW. Meaning before you can compare and contrast someone's actions. At that point in the game (page 2?) people were talking meta. it was indeed pointless. Elements does a thing that seemed scummy that could easily be looked up. Not pointless. THATS I said, "put a pin in it for now". I assume this was just a misread any nothing else.

--NOTE ON VOTE COUNT AT THIS POINT--(7 to kill)
Bris has 4 votes, OD, MT, Elements, sheep

180, gera vote Bris....dont like this vote. Votes "because there was not to vote them". Lame reason to join, NO scum hunting. scummy vote/post
183, MT thinks both Elements and sheep are town, meh, says because of her strategy. Seems to over look after she explained her tactics, she still leaned into it...with vague comments like "flat".
186, MT thinks I am slightly town because of my reaction to Elements. Logic is faulty though. Bad Logic or trying to make friends? "I don't think scum would see town shifting reads unpredictably and without reason and turn that into "I cannot believe i have caught you in a lie this early"." If I was scum, and "caught" Elements (town) in a lie why WOULDNT I push that?!?!

MT, can you comment on this please.

189, MT references DGB. Oh I am familiar with her. She is a wild card and (no offense) uses DGB logic, which I have never been able to decode. Back in the day, I always felt she was scum. We have tangled MANY times before. I still like her in games though........for the most part. it has been 5+ years since I played with her though.
190, Hu votes DGB, for reasons.
191, I do like Hu's questioning of Sheep there though.
192-194, Hu likes me, doesnt like Elements, but still thinks DGB is more (?) scummy....I dont like this.
200/202/203, DGB thinks Elements is town (CASE IN POINT)..also sheep and bris. doesnt provide a reason.
205, OD says she would have no problem joining element wagon, but stays on the Bris wagon for....what was the reason (need to look up)
211, Elements likes DGB read giving....well you guys should probably get a room then.

What part in particular do you like?

213, DGB has MT and Hu as scum, has me as scum too, but not sure if that is real or not.
214, towwl, does a catch up, unvotes Merlyn (who is that?) and votes Elements. note: agrees with DGB about MT. all and all, like this post.
229, MT unvotes Bris.
240, EFN is caught up, unvotes, "element is meh, everyone else null, OD town....(note no revote)
243 Merlyn (that is who that is, name with gif, got it) voted DGB....dont really like this vote.

Merlyn how does DGB's list different from Elements list before I called her out? Have you seen someone in a previous game that made detail lists that was scum?..what about town

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245, like Bris's post even though he has Elements (and me and OD) as town. Also waves a vague finger at weak hop-ons, but doesnt pursue anything...okay, maybe this is more of a null post.
257, Sheep does a catch up (?) post, OD town, MT town, Me town (meta reference), thinks the element push is goofy (uses weird logic), DGB town, towwl town, Gera town, defends Bris vote, Hu scum, ENF and Merlyn slightly scum
261, STD gives read list. of that Hu scum, Elements (not sure). everyone else town or meh.
264, MT votes Hu
268, EFN asks a good question, "why is Bris being voted again"...town points for you
273, Elements joins the Hu wagon (note left the former leading wagon to join a wagon getting steam, sure she isnt scummy) says a nothing slot
274, then pushing Merlyn to join the Hu wagon?
280, towwl posts a read list, me OD town, DGB, bris, EFN, and Elements scum
283, DGB, MT is town
285, Towwl vote EFN....going with heart over Bris (who is the leading wagon)), Element who actually lied....I dont like this vote, it is very "cover my bases". You get credit for not likely people, but dont vote them when it could matter.

What does an EFN vote do at this point?

286, STD back with updated list, EFN now scum, Hu kindly scummy, DGB now town, Gera now town, towwl now town, Merlyn now scum......hmmm, not sure how I feel about the updates. But explains them for the most part.
287, Sheep...used the term "empty questions".

Sheep which of EFN questions were empty...can you explain what "empty" means?

I am still good with my Elements vote.

going to reread (short read?) Hu, to see what the buzz is about, but I havent seen anything initially.

Should I be worried I'm not scumreading you right away like I did last game?

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao has DGB done anything other than that first vote that you found suspicious? I have no idea how you're getting a read there

Besides what i said, they basically just OMGUS me. And have not tried to actually read or access anyone. I don't see why anyone would townread them

[Hu Tao]

Emperor i have no opinion on really. Elements I didn't like their reads list they tried to do even though afterward they tried to make it into a joke

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, what do you think of Emperor and Elements?

Naughty point for you
Don't ask others their opinions like that

? Asking someone for their read is bad?

[Hu Tao]

I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
OopsieDaisy
and curiouskarmadog


got the whole scum team. We can all go home now

Damn. I've been caught. I didn't know n0 cop was so good

[Hu Tao]

Gera is town

Boom im game solving already and i don't even have to read the first 12 pages

Why are they town? They made the most ridiculous statement so far just a few posts ago

[Hu Tao]

OD, do you feel I am being aggressive? Seriously?

This wasn't addressed to me but I feel your play is a 180⁰ from last game. So it borderline makes me want to vote you.

[Hu Tao]

i think elements's energy did change from being more bombastic to a little more focused around the time they start pushing hu tao

What do you think is the reason for this?

[Hu Tao]

And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em

And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em

Yeah that's uh... Why the hell did he DO that?? Damn.

The only thing bri admitted to was typically being a stoic player, which was a little bit of a contrast to how pushing him seemed to bother him early this game

Bristep could be scum there's nothing really to go off of

DGB and bri/HPE aren't scum together

Curiousdog is town

Hu Tao and DGB probably not both scum 1

Sort of notable that a lot of players scumread DGB i dont detect any discernable difference from her usual play, I feel like Hu Tao is stretching to vote her for 'OMGUS' but it was basically DGB's rvs vote. I can kind of see why someone might vote for posting a readslist for whatever reason (i recall someone did that earlier) but Hu Tao's vote is paper thin

VOTE: Emperor

I was going to say I liked this post until the vote, then I hated it. Regardless if emperor is scum or not, your post clearly shows you scumread me. Why move your vote when casting shade on me? Instead of just pushing me now and trying to get others to vote me? It feels like you're setting up a misvote out on me later with this. And you're trying to subtle do it instead of just being the one leading it.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: morning

I might want to take back my drip scumread. Not sure yet. I'll sleep on it.

[Hu Tao]

You were townreading me up until I stopped voting you in favour of Emperor? That makes no sense. My opinion of you hasn't changed.

Where did I say I townread you?

[Hu Tao]

daisy

why do you think Hu Tao is town

Because unlike a lot of other wagons that have had to be carefully built up over the game, the Hu Tao wagon (outside of Elements' pushes) felt like a flash wagon. A justifiable one but still the speed at which it picked up scared me. Alongside this the source of the wagon, Elements, is also someone I'm suspicious of. Compare that to me starting the Bri wagon and Karma (who I read very town) starting the Elements wagon, and you can see how I have a lot more trust in who kicked off those wagons. I'm becoming slightly more at ease with a Hu Tao flip the more I realise it actually would give us good info, but these are the doubts I have around it.

This is pretty much a repeat of the last game I was in. Day 1 votes piled up on me for no reason, eventually I help lead town to victory. Rinse repeat.

[Hu Tao]

daisy

why do you think Hu Tao is town

Because unlike a lot of other wagons that have had to be carefully built up over the game, the Hu Tao wagon (outside of Elements' pushes) felt like a flash wagon. A justifiable one but still the speed at which it picked up scared me. Alongside this the source of the wagon, Elements, is also someone I'm suspicious of. Compare that to me starting the Bri wagon and Karma (who I read very town) starting the Elements wagon, and you can see how I have a lot more trust in who kicked off those wagons. I'm becoming slightly more at ease with a Hu Tao flip the more I realise it actually would give us good info, but these are the doubts I have around it.

This kind of wagon speedmetering is always BS.

Why? Because on Day 1, scum is more likely to

rush

to

bus

a troubled buddy for future towncred than to defend said troubled buddy, and deal with the consequences for the rest of the game.

To further sort the wagon participants as more or less scummy, and use that to evaluate the value of the wagon, is absurd. It's like a Russian doll of unknown variables, and utterly worthless.

This is the most content you've provided this game with reasoning. I am proud of you

[Hu Tao]

i can FEEL the town coming from sheep i forget what it was exactly but i felt pretty strong abt it earlier

Hu Tao you were like "I was reading your post and it was all in order until you voted Emperor" -- like you're saying that the bit of my post devoted to suspecting you is fine, but because I voted Emperor that suddenly invalidates me and you aren't even gonna mention anything abt it except that the emperor vote made you sus for whatever reason

not townreading it though I guess I misinterpreted

Basically what seems disingenuous to me is that you think my suspicion on you is halfway reasonable but you're acting like it can't coexist with voting Emperor

Yes. Because it's like me saying how much I want to eat a hot dog and then saying BTW I'm going to eat a sandwich right now, maybe hot dog later. Maybe not the best analogy but makes sense to me

[Hu Tao]

Except it wasn't out of nowhere

Yea true, even I acknowledged that weird bout of posts from Hu Tao that caused it.

What's weird about it?

[Hu Tao]

Except it wasn't out of nowhere

Yea true, even I acknowledged that weird bout of posts from Hu Tao that caused it.

What's weird about it?

I don't understand how you feel Karma is playing 180 degrees different than their previous game, and I was struggling to follow why you scumread Tweet for her post voting Emperor.

Karma was very scummy day 1 last game. I hated just about every post and thought he was scum. This one I like every post. Should I not be concerned I feel differently?

[Hu Tao]

In all seriousness, it is not remotely anything strange to go "hey i sus you" and then vote someone else in the same post. Is that kind of a 180? Yeah, but it's not like they DON'T sus you. It's just kind of a lame gotcha attempt when people can and will multi-task their thoughts/reads/votes in posts and there's nothing really AI about that as a concept.

I feel this is self preservation and you don't believe this

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: HPE

I'm an investigation pr.

Deadline too close to draw this out.

[Hu Tao]

Except it wasn't out of nowhere

Yea true, even I acknowledged that weird bout of posts from Hu Tao that caused it.

What's weird about it?

I don't understand how you feel Karma is playing 180 degrees different than their previous game, and I was struggling to follow why you scumread Tweet for her post voting Emperor.

Karma was very scummy day 1 last game. I hated just about every post and thought he was scum. This one I like every post. Should I not be concerned I feel differently?

What's concerning about Karma reading town this game compared to reading scum in the previous game? Could it not just be due to you being more used to Karma's playstyle/meta that you can make a more informed read now? I find the way I read certain players can vary dramatically depending on how much experience I've had with them.

To me it's he's playing different than he was as town. So? Why would I not be concerned? It's not that hard to understand I think.

[Hu Tao]

Gut feeling don't really want to go HPE/bri because if theres been one slot that the thread has been somewhat cooperative about getting limmed it would be him and it, and we're still kinda on thin reasoning

I like that Hu Tao claimed a PR in general rather than the exact one i feel like scum usualy doesnt do that.

Hu Tao though -- why did you feel the need to claim?

I won't be here end of day. If you haven't noticed I post in spurts when I'm not busy

[Hu Tao]

I guess it's because there's 24 hours left that a claim would be necessary

At least you get it now

[Hu Tao]

Did Hu Tao claim and run?

Vote stays, with prejudice.

Unfortunately I don't think this is scum. The posts are not good in a non scum way

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with element not sure of vote count but it's not e-1 yet I'm suppose

VOTE: element

[Hu Tao]

HPE progression on hu tao is horrible

It just seems like HPE is openly pushing a wolf self-pres agenda without even hiding it

>votes counterwagon hu tao
>people express doubt in hu tao claim
>"hu tao claim is sooo wolfy and I just want to murder it today"
>people move from hu tao and emperor wagon grows
>"oh ok, assuming hu tao is pr, Vote: Emperor"

Agree. HPE is sus

[Hu Tao]

DGB give me some motivation to care about this game right now

It's hard when Hu Tao is allowed to remain.

Boohoo

[Hu Tao]

I will vote emperor but prefer elements

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Erinys

I like this more