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first

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that's boring it wasnt a competition

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VOTE: elements

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geraintm is villagery

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why would u read that thing it was horrible

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geraintm is villagery

How come?

it's the naked vote quoting a post btw

hi guys,

just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.

on another note,
VOTE: Elements

Instant townread. I'm also town so no need to worry about my slot. Takes it from 11 to 10. We got this!

VOTE: hu toa

first 2 pages towntell lol very reliable

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VOTE: bristep

I like wagons

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Mental note, don’t attempt humour.

I think this is a slightly wolfy response to a vote

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Elements what would you say determines your motivation to play a particular game? This is not a set up for a gotcha but a srs question.

this is towny I think we're thinking the same way about the slot

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game so slow is really weird

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Elements what would you say determines your motivation to play a particular game? This is not a set up for a gotcha but a srs question.

I like playing mafia? A lil bit of chaos, hyperfixation, for this game in particular playing with Daisy coz she hasn't played a forum game in a while.

I think this response is villagery lol

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Elements what would you say determines your motivation to play a particular game? This is not a set up for a gotcha but a srs question.

I like playing mafia? A lil bit of chaos, hyperfixation, for this game in particular playing with Daisy coz she hasn't played a forum game in a while.

I think this response is villagery lol

I think mafia would be like hmm why is this serious question being asked? how can I appease that?

but he just didnt think about that lol

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I use the other pronouns

yep mb got it

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while you're here sheep, got any thoughts on empereor?

not reallyy but if I had to force something theyre mildly towny


their funniness is towny funniness + 66 shamelessness is towny

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also basically nai

i actually disliked daisy first post so it offput me a little when hu tao called it town

but then i started liking hu tao more and i liked daisy a bit more

i guess neither really for their exchange lol

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What are ur thoughts on the things u asked about

Sorry if they’re already out there I’m basically going to sleep

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Interesting thank u

I think ur town

Tbh I find the assertiveness of ur reads kinda overblown, like “towny enough for day 1” for example doesn’t feel appropriate at this stage
and generally I think that’s actually slightly more likely wolf

but the more I think about it, I think in context of the slowness of this game, the level of reads you’ve been doing is very town-beneficial -> town

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Makes sense I think it’s been helpful

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Is there normally 3 scum in a 13 player?

Ye

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daisy how much forum experience do u have

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I think daisy is very villagery - I liked their thought process about towwl's meta-summary-ish lol

I think morning tweet is pretty villagery

I maintain that elements is probably just a villager

I think ckd is villagery, this is maybe partly subconsciously backed by understanding of them from that large normal

I think the push on elements is kinda goofy, like u talk about lack of town motivation to lie (I think, I skimmed quickly) but theres no scum motivation to lie about something like that can so easily be caught. consistency is like one of the easiest checkbox things for wolves to fake, I dont think ur gonna gotcha for a page 2 inconsistency that doesnt benefit wolf!element. I personally think the "get the game started" explanation for lying makes lots of sense but that's not even necessary for me

I think DFG is slightly villagery, the anticonsensusness of his reads without explaining them is +villager lol

towwl is like slightly villagery tonally lol

I maintain gerantm is legit a little villagery unless he truly plays identical D1s wolf/villa, something to look into

I feel weird about this bristep RVS wagon sitting so high and would prob have unvoted 90% of the time but I think bristep is like, legit very very remarkably wolfy for a 5-poster and just dont want to unvote; I also think if bristep does end up w then geraintm's vote taking her wagon to 5 is like 70-80% villager lol

I think hu tao is pretty wolfy and underwhelming in comparison to the large normal, and would be a good counterwagon to bristep

emperor + Merlyn both stood out as a little underwhelming but in slightly less scummy ways than Hu tao

I think StD should come back and follow up on some things that would be cool

if that's everyone that's amazing I wasnt planning to do that and probably could've just made a readlist

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daisy how much forum experience do u have

It's spread over a bunch of sites, but I think I've played like 10 forum games over the past 10 years, so I average about a game a year lol.

this is wild to me wtf

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I think ur contributions are just kinda disappointingly low quality (dripping as a legit push, the elements sus, weaksauce questions) and last game I was an enjoyer of ur thoughts

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can you talk about goofball? all I remember is seeing you agree with something controversial they said which seems like it should make you like them a little

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285 is a hella good post

flippy is a good vote, it's mainly all the empty questions

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287, Sheep...used the term "empty questions". Sheep which of EFN questions were empty...can you explain what "empty" means?

yes sure he's just asking questions for the sake of asking questions. he never does anything with answers + the questions are just kinda mid

What’s wrong with dripping?

Is there normally 3 scum in a 13 player?

Why?

My town read

numéro un

is Elements.

Why?

Good talk

Why is bristep being voted again?

Spoiler:

I am free from Atlanta. Unfortunately they are taking me back to Atlanta sometime next month probably if I'm not fired by then. Regardless, I have more time now to obsess over this game. I just read through the thread again and here's a rough readslist for now

just think they are town

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curiouskarmadog
OopsieDaisy

town enough for now

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geraintm
Morning Tweet

could easily go either way

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Save The Dragons
Merlyn
sheepsaysmeep
Hu Tao

am sus of

DrippingGoofball
bristep123
Emperor flippyNips
Elements

Why am I on the sus meter?

in particular I usually find "why is this person being scumread" to be a slightly +wolf question

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Also sadly as much as I am suspicious of Bristep, that wagon is petering out and so my vote is ultimately gonna be more useful for us elsewhere.

UNVOTE: Bristep

Train is stopping now, will evaluate the possible wagons properly once I'm home.

I think u should come back, it was a top wagon before u unvoted

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Also sadly as much as I am suspicious of Bristep, that wagon is petering out and so my vote is ultimately gonna be more useful for us elsewhere.

UNVOTE: Bristep

Train is stopping now, will evaluate the possible wagons properly once I'm home.

I think u should come back, it was a top wagon before u unvoted

Is there anything new with bristep? I feel like him being a top wagon is stalling the game (or is it stalling because he's not reacting?) either way it's not going anywhere.

I'd vote Bristep over DGB or nulls but only at the end of the day

yah I almost moved out of boredom but then they were prodded and I would prefer them to come back to still being technically top wagon

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oh thats funny my eyes just glaze over walls

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dodging prod will do something soon

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Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?

oh shit is it that close wtf

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Big fan of 294, and kinda feeling a gera vote after reading their ISO in-depth.

I want @HPE to explain being a "big fan" of this post lol

the only reason I dont dislike those posts is because I know ckd does it as town from that large normal we keep talking about

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HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons

seems like a bad wagon

Back after 2 days at legoland

I agree, this is a terrible wagon

why is it bad

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VOTE: HPE

in case I wasnt already

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I actually townread the recent hu tao catchup a bit lol

idk in a really shallow way

-vibes are more like last game
-I buy the "ckd 180 from last game" even if I dont see myself; I feel like hu tao set precedent by hinting earlier that ckd felt different and I buy that lol
-I like the question in 424 I thought it was weird how std's commentary on elements doesnt actually say anything meaningful
-I get the scumread of the morning post, I dont think it's actually wolfy post lol but I did notice a disconnect in discussing hu tao wolf and then voting emperor and I think hu tao's vote

makes sense

-rescinding drip scumread makes me feel better about him

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I think HPE slot is like egregiously wolfy and would be my preferred lim at the moment

hu tao is still fine, emperor is fairly good option

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I just think HPE overall posting is too mid

The lazy explanation is there’s no solving, there’s like 1 iso that I didn’t like and then reacting to self-related stuff

I haven’t bought anything

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I cannot do the specific case post numbers thing rn

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HighPrincessErinys what are your reads

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I still prefer hpe I think but would switch to anyone to get a lim now, emperor is a fine call

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HPE is more present than emperor but has a similar level of lack of motivation to solve in my view

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HPE progression on hu tao is horrible

It just seems like HPE is openly pushing a wolf self-pres agenda without even hiding it

>votes counterwagon hu tao
>people express doubt in hu tao claim
>"hu tao claim is sooo wolfy and I just want to murder it today"
>people move from hu tao and emperor wagon grows
>"oh ok, assuming hu tao is pr, Vote: Emperor"

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I am not opposed to killing emperor but it bugs me a lot how this wagon just dropped to 4th place in the most recent votecount, I think at minimum it should be today's counterwagon

granted I havent read super thoroughly and probably wont commit a ton of brain to this before deadline

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elements drop-off / sudden drastic change bugs me a little but I would not support that D1

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I see. So I’m mainly the option for today cos I haven’t been here

this is meh and inaccurate I think the reasons for voting u are more decent than literally "he's absent"

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I see. So I’m mainly the option for today cos I haven’t been here

If there's a better alternative, convince me.

whats ur read on HighPrincessErinys mr DrippingGoofball

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are u willing to describe more detailedly what u think currently and why

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what do u think about the idea that HPE is overly self-preserving at the cost of I dont think HPE is trying to sort players

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but u waited just a bit long imo lol and first talked about the hu tao claim being soo wolfy like u were hoping maybe we just kill it today

which feels contradictory to this post

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mehhh

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meh I get it more

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whatever my brain cant do this

VOTE: emperor

e2

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?????

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bruh this is the most shittest eod

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VOTE: erinys

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I think jumping at the chance when theyre both apparently pr's makes sense tbf

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idk what ive been taught is you dont immediately kill pr claims incase it's the type of pr scum would have to kill for u

if someone can convince me that that's mech-wrong then I might but I feel way better parked on hpe

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like, emperor explicitly said that if wolves know what role he is they have to kill him

what if he's telling the truth? letting him live either gets a strong result or the wolves shoot him for us

it feels like objectively the risk isnt worth the reward

that said I dont believe his claim ya lol

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this is like a Mafia Universe eod

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i don't know what that means

shitfest chaos

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lying to get a wagon not on HPE would be hella wolfy lmao

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Honestly if y’all want it to be that’s fine. If I dont target the right person then it doesn’t help town. Could hurt us

maybe I want to kill this, contradicts too much with him saying how strong his power was

idfk

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bruh this was so shit

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I think curious eod is the wolfiest, towwl and oopsie have been towny

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Honestly if y’all want it to be that’s fine. If I dont target the right person then it doesn’t help town. Could hurt us

sounds like a vig.

dont want to role-speculate too much in thread, but vig-shots are protown so a vig would prefer to go into the night over being limmed in order to get a shot off

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I think I wanted HPE to claim except now I feel like emperor perceptions of his role at tidfferent times have too flat-out contradicted each other and maybe we should pummel him

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wait never mind I misread some emperor stuff lol

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@emperor

can u hardclaim

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yeah emp fullclaim is good imo

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well I think everyone here is town

I think scum would be sort of scared to immerse themselves in that quickfire environment

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yeah fair enough

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so that it's on the new page, I think Emperor should hardclaim

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shea you've spelled it "emporer flippynips" in every votecount btw

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ah fuck man

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thats a fucking important role

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could've maybe said "im important" or some shit

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anyway never lim emperor today

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holy shit

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VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

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hu tao's activity patterns indicate he wont fucking come back lmao

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popping in, not going to change my vote, you all work out which sacrifical lamb you prefer.
but today is a gret example of why day 1s suck

Lmfao u win

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I would switch to elements if it was enough, I would also kill hpe in order to get a lim today, rolecop doesn’t compare to vig in variety of ways

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VOTE: elements

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vote elements.

elements [ 5 ] towwl, OopsieDaisy, Curiouskarmadog, HighPrincessErinys, sheepsaysmeep
Hu Tao [ 4 ] DrippingGoofball, firebringer, Elements, Morning Tweet
HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] hu tao, Emporer flippynips, Save the Dragons
DrippingGoofball [ 1 ] geraintm


this is my count if this vote counts

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geraintm do u happen to agree that it's better for town to lim someone d1 than no lim

and if so can u help contribute ur vote to a main wagon

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I would be willing to hammer but it feels wrong

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I think that's -1

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apagetop

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apagetop

sorry

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I think I deserve some for calling the initial attention to him even tho I started saying he's town at some point

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if he claims cop or some shit do we have enough to flash wagon onto hpe

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rolecop isn't a cop I think it's a pretty bum role that's just there and doesn't self-resolve

unless hpe's rolecop obtains a guilty then it could always be a mafia rolecop or something lmfao and I dont expect mafia to be superrr scared

and it's weird to me that hpe was like im just a gated cop that'll bait blocks/kills rather than something. not inherently super useful for town

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idk

my instinct is I do believe town!rolecop lol

but I wouldnt feel like we lost anything whereas if we limmed like 80% of other investigative roles I'd feel like damn that was a bad loss

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again role cop doesnt have to be town right?

no lol ofc not

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mini normal 2300: 1/11 players were able to be guiltied by rolecop (multitasking)
mini normal 2299: 2/13 were able to be guiltied (ninja + traitor)
mini normal 2298: 0/13 were able to be guiltied (all mafia goons)
mini normal 2296: there was a town rolecop, 1/13 were able to be guiltied (1-shot strongman)

it has a decent chance to be useful but it's not the same as, like, a tracker

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weh

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I think that was the main explanation

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bruh I was going to do it at the exact same time lol

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VOTE: hu tao in case it wasnt lool

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oh shit good shot

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yeah I would personally be kinda insulted to be called wolf this game cuz I always kill flippy there lmfao

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I talked in this thread about how I think vig is insanely important and rolecop is useless and think it proved objectively true and that should legit shield me from ever being voted

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VoteCount 1.11

Hu Tao [ 6 ]

drippinggoofball, firebringer, elements, Morning Tweet, save the dragons, oopsiedaisy

Elements [ 4 ]

towwl, Curiouskarmadog, HighPrincessErinys, sheepsaysmeep

HighPrincessErinys [ 2 ]

hu tao, Emperor FlippyNips

DrippingGoofball [ 1 ]

geraintm

Not Voting [ 0 ]

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-06-09 17:15:31)

I think the elements wagon at its peak, when 1st place wagon over hu tao, just looks like this + oopsie

kinda disappointing, basically already a towncore, no one extra to clear

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Hmm Idk how to feel about the daisy case cos she’s the whole reason I scum read element

yeah I think daisy looks good for starting up the wagon yesterday

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V/LA 6/15-6/17

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would putting std at e-1 before he's gone for 5 days rather than during be considered a generosity

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tbh im very tempted

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yes I agree with everything towwl

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std claim is more likely fake than not fake but we can try to play "follow the vig" for a bit

yea

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VOTE: tweet

poke

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I too entrust user towel with this game

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why do people value a vig shot so highly?

this is a time though where others are better at this game than me and i just dont get the common wisdom

reading up, dont know if this was answered

I see mafia as boiling down to "how many attempts does town get to hit all the mafia"

typically 10v3 is like, town has 6 lims to hit 3 mafia

the reason you dont no-lim d1 is now you only have 5 lims to hit 3 mafia

more vig shots (if they target consensus wolfreads) means town got more attempts to hit mafia

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that was so disappointing those pages were just mech convo

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I'd honestly be fine to flip std here lol

I agree with towwl that on paper it's technically mech wrong to not let it self-resolve

but eh

it just flips wolf I think lolol

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I personally disagree with towwl on dgb

like obviously dgb doesnt do anything insanely villagery that exits poe

but I think wolves are in a pretty bad position. and I think a wolf!dgb in a bad position would be playing differently. might seem like a wifomy read, but he doesnt look like he's trying to appear villager or influence things. he's just flopping around but still not explaining stuff very much and trying to convince people; just saying what he thinks. gut is very confident that it's villager lol would rather kill other people today

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I think it's just in std/gera/morning

gera is struggling to create content

morning's motivation is so low like even less than mine that it's just kinda bd

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bad*

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pagetop

think with 3 days ish left it's fine to just kill someone

I would vote std if towwl caves and lets us and otherwise I want morning/gera

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just for the record, the counterargument against the plan is that in a closed setup there exist a decent number of possible worlds where it would be better to lim him today

like, claiming a role was interesting to me because if STD is fake claiming he's suddenly guaranteed to be limmed at some point when we discover he's obviously not doctor. so maybe he claimed because he's a mafia PR who would really benefit from getting another shot off tonight. like hypothetically he could be mafia N2 vig lmao. etc. maybe we have a roleblocking role, and then flipping a wolf means that role becomes a cop. etc.

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oh lmao that's hella goofy

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mafia vig shots can be a very fun part of a setup and aren't thatt wolfsided

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yah someone should just hammer like gera/ckd

glgl

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gg

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n2 blocking Gera's friendly neighbor to me is kinda funny

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yes thanks TSQ for hosting was fun