Mini Normal 2300: THIS GAME HAS A VIG [game over]

[Umlaut]

Is that a wagon? It looks like it is.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Umlaut]

also I haven't played a game in like two years so I hope I remember how to play LOL

VOTE: Invisibility

Bad intro.

[Umlaut]

also I haven't played a game in like two years so I hope I remember how to play LOL

VOTE: Invisibility

Bad intro.

how

Has the same feel as the sort of "gee I hope I can keep up with all you experienced seasoned players" comments that, ime, disproportionately come from scum.

[Umlaut]

Setup:

- This game has day talk for all private threads.
- This game will have 9 town-aligned players and 2 mafia-aligned players.
- At least one player's role in this game is some form of a Vigilante.
- This game follows Normal Game Guidelines and uses Normal Game Natural Action Resolution.

The only thing we know is there's a vig (and a VT since it's a normal), there could be whatever other roles.

Also, Invisibility looks better already, 23 is not just saying I'm town but showing a process of using my followup posts to sort me.

UNVOTE: Invisibility
VOTE: Malakittens

Biggest wagon is best wagon

[Umlaut]

Patch VT slip looks legitimate to me, I feel like it would have come out differently if it were artificial.

[Umlaut]

I got sort of pinged by the same posts as Invisibility at first but decided it was really nothing, so I'm inclined to read his suspicion there as genuine.

[Umlaut]

{Invisibility}
{patchwork, Black}
{Not Known 15}
{geraintm, Venmar, T3, Greeting}
{Malakittens, bristep123}

[Umlaut]

I like the sentiment of 154 defending Invis, but can't draw alignment conclusions from it except that it's probably not S/S

[Umlaut]

I like the sentiment of 154 defending Invis, but can't draw alignment conclusions from it except that it's probably not S/S

are you my number one fan lol

I mean you are my top townread so I guess I could be.

[Umlaut]

umlaut, were you town or scum in the coalition game
because i remember feeling pretty unimpressed with your play then, and i'm feeling pretty unimpressed now so it might help me to determine your alignment

I was scum then, but I think I've been pretty unimpressive in all my games lately. I was mislaunched in Day 2 of Micro 1077 before I even got a chance to post that day because my play was so bad the day before.

Also I have trouble believing you don't remember my alignment in that game!

[Umlaut]

why have you kept your vote on Mala this whole time?

Where should it be instead?

I don't townread them, that's enough reason to vote someone right now.

[Umlaut]

Also I have trouble believing you don't remember my alignment in that game!

i got replaced out and mostly skimmed while sky was playing

Oh right, I forgot about that, so you were out before the point where I was basically outed scum. Okay, I don't have trouble believing it then.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Umlaut

No I will not explain but y'all should sheep me

That's a bad idea! I recently misread umlaut so I'd like to see the reasons here.

No I think it's a good idea. Reasons = vibes

vibes=I am scum and I hide behind unprovable things
Well, not always, but it is a possibility.
In this case
VOTE: Venmar

i don't get what either of these two posts mean

I really don't know what difficulty you are having reading NK15's post. Venmar's I can see why it might be hard to parse but they're just gainsaying NK15 and saying their vote is because of "vibes". NK15 is then saying that's a non-explanation that scum could easily give for anything.

[Umlaut]

Which, I mean, it is, but I don't know that scum cite "vibes"

more

than town do, it seems to be a playstyle thing to me.

[Umlaut]

{Invisibility}
{patchwork, Black}
{Not Known 15}
{geraintm, Venmar, T3, Greeting}
{Malakittens, bristep123}

can you explain a read from here that isn't me or nk15 pick your favorite

Not really, the people saying it was BS were at least partially right in that I just sort of threw that together without thinking too hard about it. Something about Mala's posts thru 69 or so felt like writing a lot and acting engaged without really saying anything. It was and is a weak reason for a vote and I'm happy to move from it but didn't really have any better ideas

That said I like the points on Venmar so

VOTE: Venmar

(Not really engaging with this game today, will try to be more active tomorrow, but didn't want to just be incommunicado all day long)

Not really engaging with the game today, too much else going on, but I can say I put NK15 a step above the totally-nulls (geraintm, etc.)

[Umlaut]

Ignore the last paragraph in my last post, I started writing about NK before realizing Invis said to talk about someone else, and forgot to delete the unfinished paragraph.

[Umlaut]

Yeah, I thought

Umlaut

could get a town point for admitting it. But still, I honestly don't like the reads. I mean, putting

Not Known 15

above null? I just don't really see it as warranted or justfiable. I also completely disagree with his evaluation of

Mala

.

Also, I really dislike how the wagon on me appeared suddenly only when

Umlaut

reached E-2. Feels like a distraction.

There are only two scum, so if scum are coördinating to wagon you that makes me town.

As for NK15, they were a step above the others because they actually had some game-advancing content as of that page even if it was lackluster.

[Umlaut]

I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

I don't remember Invis posting a crazy amount in the game I modded years ago, but he was scum in that game and it was an easy win for them so they had no reason to be hyperposty and shake things up. I'm town reading the activity here

[Umlaut]

11:2 is mod-confirmed both in 1 and in the queue.

[Umlaut]

9:2 I mean

[Umlaut]

I think geraintm just flash-voting me for the 'slip' there is towny but not as convinced by Black calling it out because her whole musing about "maybe it's 2 scum, maybe it's 3" seems like it could be trying to sell people on her not knowing the setup. I know it sounds kind of like a bad incentive to start handing out more townpoints for naked-voting than for explaining oneself but it is what it is

[Umlaut]

I mean the simplest motivation would just be to have a 'legitimate' legible reason to call me scum and get me yeeted.

I'm not saying you're scum, I'm just saying you don't get townpoints for the callout.

[Umlaut]

If you mean why would you as scum lie about not knowing the number of scum, you sort of have to if you are saying that my knowing the number of scum is sus.

[Umlaut]

Actually the more I think about it, how did either of you seriously believe I would slip

that

hard? I'm not claiming to be any sort of especially skilled Mafia player but even on day 1 on this site I would not have made that mistake.

[Umlaut]

I mean the simplest motivation would just be to have a 'legitimate' legible reason to call me scum and get me yeeted.

I'm not saying you're scum, I'm just saying you don't get townpoints for the callout.

I know you're not calling me scum but I still think we should talk this out

I don't think me lying about this would do what you think it might do. I would basically have to hope and pray that

no one

read the post that confirms there are 9:2. Doesn't sound like a good play imo

Oh, you think I'm saying you lied about

not knowing that 9:2 was common knowledge.

No, as either alignment I think you genuinely didn't know that. What I meant was that I could see scum making a point of saying "I mean, 2 scum seems reasonable but maybe it's 3 idk?" if they think town wouldn't know which it was.

[Umlaut]

Yeah, I thought

Umlaut

could get a town point for admitting it. But still, I honestly don't like the reads. I mean, putting

Not Known 15

above null? I just don't really see it as warranted or justfiable. I also completely disagree with his evaluation of

Mala

.

Also, I really dislike how the wagon on me appeared suddenly only when

Umlaut

reached E-2. Feels like a distraction.

There are only two scum, so if scum are coördinating to wagon you that makes me town.

VOTE: umlaut

Is this a slip?

It's an 11 player game so 2 mafia seems likely. Throw in the vig though, could it be 8-3? Still seems to heavily favor scum from just a numbers perspective especially when you consider the vig has a higher chance of killing a townie

I think 2 scum is likely. Umlaut seems to think it's definite though

I reread your post. True, you didn't say I slipped, you asked if I had slipped and then explained why (fypov) it could be a slip. That seems really nitpicky to call out.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut are you saying that post could have just as easily come from town as it did scum

I think so, probably it points a

little

bit to town because on further reflection it seems like scum would be more likely to triple-check before accusing me of a 'slip' that they know isn't one.

[Umlaut]

Wait, I might have misunderstood 346 altogether. Black, were you saying

gerain

might have slipped? Because if so I didn't follow the post at all and I need you to expand it more. I know it's moot now but I still want to know what you were saying.

[Umlaut]

Tbh I was in the process of looking at the other stuff, and was about to say that something about the discussion between Umlaut/Gera/Black about the whole setup thing doesn't sit well with me, I mostly see it as a pointless discussion and as a kind of theatre. Sky said in signups that the setup has 2 scum and the fact that this generate a whole page of discussion is weird to me.

Hard disagree it was pointless, it advanced my reads on both gerain and Black (at first just on gerain but Black's followups seem really concerned with being understood correctly in a way that comes off town to me).

[Umlaut]

Tbh I was in the process of looking at the other stuff, and was about to say that something about the discussion between Umlaut/Gera/Black about the whole setup thing doesn't sit well with me, I mostly see it as a pointless discussion and as a kind of theatre. Sky said in signups that the setup has 2 scum and the fact that this generate a whole page of discussion is weird to me.

Hard disagree it was pointless, it advanced my reads on both gerain and Black (at first just on gerain but Black's followups seem really concerned with being understood correctly in a way that comes off town to me).

What the actual fuck is this post.

It's me posting about what use I got out of the discussion with Black and to some extent gerain (though they didn't really "discuss" so much as voted and unvoted), what did you think it was?

[Umlaut]

Like, someone tell me that this isn't two townies arguing with each other about irrelevant stuff

This isn't two townies arguing with each other about irrelevant stuff.

(I mean, I don't know for sure it isn't, but I don't see any reason to disbelieve it)

[Umlaut]

Sounds like viz is ultimately going to intent me anyway if he's townreading Venmar but not me. I'm not going to be around later this evening so I'll claim now. I'm a VT.

I stand by my claims gerain, Black, patchwork, Invis are all town. Not quite enough to PoE the game but a good start if it can become consensus.

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Been out all day, out all day tomorrow watching sport.
I don't like thr Unlaut wagon. Might be because they think I'm town, but I ain't voting there.

I'd rather do this VOTE: invisibility

????

I'm going to want you to back up what exactly you don't like about this slot besides the one post you mentioned because idgi.

[Umlaut]

I would probably be really upset about this if I had kept following the game.

Thanks for modding, Skygazer.