Mini 703 - A Roccisi Autumn - Over

[tubby216]

picking up prod,,

sorry i was v/la untill today i will catch up and post more soonest.

[tubby216]

ok first off the rage vs brian debactle,

i believe both are town atm rage was hunting and called brian on some questionable play, brian was trying to be helpful but stumbled of some newbitis ( don't worry happenes to me all the time) will re-read agian to catch up more to follow perhaps tomorow

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man i feel like i need to post here but i trully have nothing of any substance to add,, sorry, i will re-read and try to add mor tomorrow,,

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i'm sorry i was away emergancy tripp,, give me a few to catch up

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well i would be comfortable lynching puta at this point,,, but i am confused about the grounds for modkill etc

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edit post

sorry ecto i diddn't see your post,,,

so we learn more if we lynch him rather than if he is mod killed /replaced correct?

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with 12 in the game its 7 to lynch and that puts puta puta at L-2 right now correct??


well i still don't like his play call me simple but i believe in answering the question you are asked and answering it plainly as possible, all the poetry and stuff was losing me so.

vote: puta puta

i believe thats L-1

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wow ok i need a re-read,, will post more either tonite yet or tomorrow

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ok so far i am trying to figure out who had the most to gain from macavity lock being killed,,

right now i narrowed it down to ,, rage,ecto,and tarballs

mac was suspicious of both rage and tarballs

mac simply had a disagreement with ecto no real suspicion there


more to follow

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hmm a vigkill thats a nice twist,, will re-read agian with that in mind

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i know i thought your were town earlier and a lil misguided however i support rage

vote BoW

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tubby, why do you need to assert your previous town read on BoW before attacking him?

because i re-read and found out what i said about him, granted i haven't been posting much but my post about him made it seem like i was pretty adamant about him being town , but do to his current action i had a change of heart, i found his earlier actions coupled whith what he had just said to be scum, So with my vote i figured i'd pressure him for an explanation,

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Jeez, can nobody take a joke around here?

Vote: Rage

It's scummy the way you want to take every opportunity to wagon a valuable townie like me.

still not an explination,,,, leaving my vote where it is

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ok so that a good case on darkdude,, so my question is ecto why should BoW get a pass today ???

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there is 10 people left in the game BoW had three votes its 6 to lynch if i did math right he was at L-3 now at
L-4

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its very likely that it was a vig kill,
what do we know?

puta was an amnesiac cop who had to have sent his findings to another player.

macavaty was a gun inveter wich means he had to make a gun and give it away its pretty safe to assume he did ,, and since he had enough suspicion on him it is also likely the person recieving said gun could have shot him,

perhaps the scum have to wait untill given a gun in order to kill so macavaty wasn't their target,

is that in essance the thinkin behind a vig kil

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so now we have thre cases in the works,

rage's case on BoW

~ wich i happen to agree with

ecto's case on darkduse

~ seems like a valid one i just think BoW is scummier atm

kort's case on chuckrock

~ wich is gaining ground (ie becoming more solid with more faults in chuckrocks posts)

is that the jist of it or do i need to re-read some more??

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welcome lionheart ,, any thoughts???

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@

Tubby216

, has anything changed how strong you think your vote on Brain of Wombat is, and what is your opinion of the case on Darkdude now? You said that Brain of Wombat seems scummier than darkdude, why is that?.

thats easy

1) the case on BoW is based off of BoW's gameplay and his actions where as the case on Darkdude is based off of his flawed game theory,
2) when pressured or a wagon started on BoW he goes AWOL and doesn't respond, i don't remeber seeing any v/la statements so to me its safe to assume he feels trapt and is staying away till the heat dies down and another wagon can be started,

so yah there is my two responses to your question

but it is possible they are scum togehter and both you and ecto are right? i mean darkdude could be trying to draw atrtention away from BoW and onto himself because he is secure in his defense were as BoW being noobish may not have the same saving skills,,, does that make sense??

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Oh ok. Well, mine is still bigger

methinks there is a pissing contest starting lolz

oh i seriously lol'd the scum penis bit

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yup happy holiday's adel

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because i think the other case goin on darkdude is bs. so rather than simply unvote and leave it outthere floating i decided to leave it on you until i get a good read of you.

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tubby: do you mind answering some questions about the case against darkdude?

sure no problem

1. What do you think the legitimate reasons (i.e. non-bullshit reasons) to be voting for darkdude are?

i think perhaps the rquest for the finding holder to breadcrum was pretty scummy.

2. Do you think that all three people voting for darkdude are scum?

no i do not think all of them are scumm i think that its more like one of them is scummy, I believe ecto to be town, normally scum won't take the lead in getting a wagon goin nor will they defend their cases so hard. now wether or not that makes korts or thadmiral scumm i have no idea, i will re-read on that and post more later

3. If you think at least one of the people voting for darkdude are not scum, why do you think that a townie is voting for darkdude?

see above


now i have some for you,

1)do you believe the case on you/BoW is valid?
2)do you think you should full claim since Bow kinda soft claimed?
3)who do you think is scummiest on your wagon and why?

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1)do you believe the case on you/BoW is valid?

I recognize that BOW made posts that contain many tells that can be counted as scummy. I believe that BOW was probably a VI, and those tells from his posts should probably be discarded as not being likely to correlate with alignment.

2)do you think you should full claim since Bow kinda soft claimed?

I had no idea he softclaimed. I do not think it is a good idea for me to claim at this point. Do you want me to claim?

3)who do you think is scummiest on your wagon and why?

I do not know who the scummiest person is. I haven't read the game deeply yet, and I haven't even started a full analysis of it. It will probably take me until about Thursday of next week to post any conclusions that I can be really confident of.

ok fair enough. I think you have satisfied my suspicion enough for now. However please note I will be watching your posts closely
but i feel ih 's lurking is a bigger problem, so i'll

unvote

vote ih

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tubby:
still alive in

• 1. Xyl's Relative Chaos - Night 3
  2. Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Day One
  3. Newbie 673: (Day 2)
  4. Family Guy Mafia - FCC gets da boot (Night 1)
  5. Mafia 82: International (Day 4, four dead again)

Finished Games:

• 1. Mini 669: Mod Abandoned -- townie?
  2. Newbie 644: Kodak City, Muffin District (wrecked) -- scum
  3. Newbie 675: Zeroville Heights (Fell Off a Cliff) -- townie

Wow, you have had horrible luck with your games not finishing. Sorry about that.

yes yes i do but i am still here and i am still tryin go me!!!

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Who do you think has been vote hopping more: Korts or Darkdude?

um really not sure at this point

Why do you or don't you count that as a scum tell against either of them?

i really don't think vote hopping or the amount of different votes they have cast is a scum tell persay.

I think its more about timing and when the cast them and why, if lets say they just post a bs reason to vote then jumped on the next available wagon for no reason that to me would be scummy. but if your changing your vote to add pressure or to show agreement for another case, than thats more town,,

I have not been trying to lurk, what i am trying to do is sit back a lil and take a better look at what is being posted and why. more to the point i am trying to play this game with more logic rather than emotion wich i have a tendency to do

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ok vote hopping by its self is not scummy it with in the manner in wich they vote that to me makes it scummy.

is that more clear ?

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oh ok now i understand how that was a non answer. I will re-read and repost with quotes eta tomorrow i don't have time for it tonite.

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sorry getting retrained at my job,, i am not really v/la i am just kinda swamped

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i promise this weekend i will post some real content

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sorry for inactivity will post soon today,

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thanks for asking that question Rage. it forced me to take a second look at everything, and I don't think that darkdude is the right lynch for today.

unvote, vote:tubby

for:

• 1. lurking through the game without getting replaced
  2. being a possible alt
  3. following my vote onto IH
  4. only voting for a townie on day 1

1)sorry i am really trying here i i know i have neglected this game to say the least, i will do better
2) i am not an alt
3) i felt i should vote him for pressure to resond since he has responded less than i have

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yes much like the way i unvoted you once you were contributing

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wow color me clueless,, i seriously thought dd was town,, damn i suck at this game,

ok so i will re read and try to post more content , call it an early new years resolution if you will

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@Korts: What can you tell us from comparing Tubby's performance in Xyl's Relative Chaos where he just beat you as scum with this game?

i diddn't beat him as scum i lost that game since it was the opposing scum team that one i am a lil bitter about that one btw

@Tubby, comparing ThAdmiral's performance in that game with his posts in this game, do you think he is more likely to be town or scum?

i think it morelikely he is town, but then agian i thought dd was just a confused townie, till his claim


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Between dardude's claim of watcher at 477 and his lynch, tubby did not post a single time, but he did manage to post in Xyl's Relative Chaos

43

minutes after dardude's claim of watcher.

your point??

@tubby why did you choose not to post in this game after darkdude's claim?

quite frankly i was away for training with my job and diddn't really have time to follow all of the games i am currenly in, xyl's relative chaos was near completeion and i figured it was the more important to post and or play in that game than this one, plus you had the day well with in your grasp and also figured you needed no assistance from me.


if you would like a list i was nearly replaced in all of my games

family guy mafia in theme park
mafia 88
mafia 82
newbie 673~ in wich i keep forgetting that i am in that game
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what do y'all think of these?

• 1.

  @Darkdude, when do you plan on roleclaiming?
  
  

  Unvote: Brain of Wombat/Adel

  
  
  I'm going to reconsider where my vote should be.

  2.

  My bad, forgot to respond to Rage.
  
  In the case of Rage vs Wombat, I definitely think it is suspicious that Rage attacked a newbie and then later backtracked saying he didn't know Wombat was new. Learning to find people's joining dates isn't hard - it's right under the avatar, and it's one of the first metas I started using when I started playing here. Lots of other players do it too, so I doubt you have not heard of this before.

  Even with this though, I think from what I know of Rage's meta, he is likely to be town. Rage does not pursue his cases so aggressively when he is scum, but does this all the time as town.

  3. Rage did not investigate me or Bow
  
  4. Rage voted for 2 people during day 1 of mini 630 (as town) made 7 votes against 4 different people during day 1 of mini 634 (as town) and only voted for 1 person during day 1 of Newbie 602 (as town) and only voted for 1 person during day 1 of this game.
  
  5. Rage really didn't express suspicion of other people very often in this game (until his post at 522).

hmm good points but i believed his case on Bow before you replaced then in fact thats what threw me off and i thought dd was innocent was because of rage's case on BoW and then he got replaced and i got lost since i had such tunnel vision, plus i seriously feel if you are scum adel the town is lost cause even thought you are hackin me to peices and really making me think if i trully need to play here anymore since i am clearly out of my league , so i will consider this my one and only defense post and so that we can move on i fell the need to go ahead and claim, i know there is no real vote pressure but i am a townie plain and simple,, if you have read my meta you will note when i have a role i am far more active and care a lil more about the game and try to have a bigger input.

list of stuff i am going to do
re-read rage in isolation
re-read korts
re-read this day and post thoughts,

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no clue ecto but it seems to make them happy,,
and why is it so important to just analyse me this way, or am i the only true unknown player in the game at this point. and does this lead you to my alignment in anyway?

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korts i get that, i guess its cause i am lazy and i am trying to be more productive, but the more important question i guess is why am i the only one being looked at this way?

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at adel ok gott it thanks, i'll follow that with another question, does this only help in newer players and other than me do you feel anyone else deserves this type of attention and why?

at kison you right shit i missed it ,, i will answer those directly

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i think it morelikely he is town, but then agian i thought dd was just a confused townie, till his claim

What do you think darkdude was confused about, exactly?

i think the whole puta thing then he gott himself in deep and couldn't back so i felt like he was in quicksand moment where nothing he did was right

quite frankly i was away for training with my job and diddn't really have time to follow all of the games i am currenly in, xyl's relative chaos was near completeion and i figured it was the more important to post and or play in that game than this one, plus you had the day well with in your grasp and also figured you needed no assistance from me.

I can't help but notice the glaring inconsistency in this paragraph. On one hand, you are using the excuse of being too busy to follow your games, but you still indicate you were able to read enough of the game to know that everyone 'had the day well with in your grasp.' So which one is it?

ok by time i had gotten a chance to read it dd had claimed then by time he well on his way to lynch and i couldn't help nor hurt the situation.

plus i seriously feel if you are scum adel the town is lost cause even thought you are hackin me to peices and really making me think if i trully need to play here anymore since i am clearly out of my league , so i will consider this my one and only defense post and so that we can move on i fell the need to go ahead and claim, i know there is no real vote pressure but i am a townie plain and simple,, if you have read my meta you will note when i have a role i am far more active and care a lil more about the game and try to have a bigger input.

Oh zeus...

what ????

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at adel ok gott it thanks, i'll follow that with another question, does this only help in newer players and other than me do you feel anyone else deserves this type of attention and why?

I wish I had a team of helpers so that I could do it for everyone, but the process is too damn time consuming.

Why did you think it was a good idea to claim?

quite honestly i have never had anyone invest so much time into me or my playing style so i figured it was the best thing to do. i really don't like all the attention, but if you ant the town feel it neccassary then i will do my best to answer all the questions put before me.


and as for the other site i play on its all but dead now and it has different mechanics, like here day continues untill we reach a majority where there the day is truly a day and a nite may only be a couple of hours so it forces people to contribute. so my meta for that s

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site wouldn't apply here

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i felt bow's fishing and softclaiming more of a scum tell than what dd was doing at the time

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no i asked if you felt you should and you answered so i was stisfied with that,, then when you continued to contribute and and hunt scum i was more assured you were town aligned hence no need for a claim or any further questioning from me

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yes i would have been surprised

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well it was pretty much the answer i was lookin for at least at that time, when i hunt i think of it as an mma fight,

so when i start out its all jabs untill i see weakness once weakness is found i try to exploit it until i either get a decsion (i.e wagon to claim) or a knock out ( a lynch)

i just haven't gotten good at it

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so once you saw that I wouldn't be easy to pressure into a claim or to lynch you moved your vote to another player? [/qioute]

it wasn't like that you satisfied my questions then once you did a rereaqd you posted your thoughts and set to work hunting scum, so it wasn't so much that one post but the combination of your posts

[quote="adel"}Why did you move your vote to IH of all people?
because since i diddn't have a clue as to who to look at next i figured my vote would do some good in adding pressure to ih a lurker

Why did you leave your vote on IH for the rest of day 2?

because i really wasn't around nor did i have time by time i did the day was all but done

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i never thought the case on dd was valid till he claimed

i thought he was town because he reacted judt like i would react if i was trying to make a point and other people weren't getting it,,

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i said it was a good case not valid,

cause thats what i thought until he claimed

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no i diddn't but i guess as kison has pointed out i posted that i did

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@ adel,

1) i diddn't have time i left my vote on ih by time i got back he was wagoned enough to claim, thats when i checked in,, then by time i had time to post he was lynched,

2)i thought he was confused from the way he acted under pressure from ecto and korts about the breadcruming of the result handed out by puta,,

3) no idea but apparantly at one time i did think it was valid,, i guess this is what i get for half assing a game,
i really haven't paid to much attention until this holiday break where i had time.


4) the admiral post that you quoted no clue.



5) however i do not like admirals post #620 that wreaks of scumminess

@admiral, why did you feel it nessacary to reveal that info?

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no there isn't a way to veiw in isolation,
http://mafialives.darkbb.com/mafia-game-f1/

that where the past games are housed,
my user name is the same on that site as well

to save you some time

game IX is a game i modded, and game X is a busted game

game 1 i was scum, i was the last scum lynched and it was my first ever mafia game- town win

game 2 i was doctor who cured a psycho but was lynched by town

game 3 i was the brother of the town drunk_ i survived town win

i'l break down the reaming 5 games in minute, but i also want ed to explain that on that site a day last untill a set time, like 1000 pm board time or something, voting continues untill the time cap has been reached at that point the player with the most votes is lynched, there are also ghost threads where the dead players get to disscuss the game, i think thats about it

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game 4 i survived to the end town wins i was a townie

game 5 i was townie and got lynched- i got the second cop killed but the town managed to win

game 6 i was the doctor-nk nite 2

game 7 i was an insane cop nk'd nite 2

game 8 i was townie nk nite 1

most of these threads have a run down of what happened at the end

i hope this helps

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i think it scum motivated, i can't see why you would reveal it now? does it ad any weight to the current cases?
what's the towns benefit in revealing it now?

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admiral,
you are saying you must have been trargeted (ie someone came to visit you) because you recieved puta's results and puta had to give them to you right?

but why did you feel that was the right way to contribute?

why diddn't you add to adel's and kison's interogation of me?

to both admiral and fatrchic,
how do you feel about the cases before you now the one on me and the one on insanepenguin and rage?

do you believe rage's claim to be true?

i am not goin to vote for myself.

but i will with hold my vote at this point untill i do some further reading

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@ adel,
I am 32, father of three, happily married for 8 years been with my wife for ten. I am an iraqi freedom veteran, I fix computers for the army, i enjoy spending time with my children, playing bass guitar, and singin karaokee at my local bar, my taste in music rages from metal/industrial/theater metal to classical below is a link to one of my myspace pages the other is in my top freinds "tubby"


http://www.myspace.com/jester_216


anything else ??

[tubby216]

oh yah and i am an american, i forgot we have international players here

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wich i used to track the games on that site, because there time being an issue people tend to act more with emotion rather than rational thought so its very helpful. i tend to think of that site as my friday nite poker game. where as here at ms its like entering the world series of poker. here at ms you have more time you can read and re-read, at your leisure so if some one flames you up you can calm down before you post in reply to what was said.

upon completion of this game can i look at the "profile" you created?

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the re-read on rage i haven't made up my mind fully yet but for now i am content to believe his claim.

korts i failed to do

and re-reading the day i have spent the majority of my time answering your questions to the best of my ability,


and following the game pm's would do nicely if you would like

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I think I'm going to

vote: kison

Joined the rage wagon late for reasons that had already been brought up, and then continued to follow adel by voting tubby for a reason that was not even explained completely (just the cryptic "thou art made of sketch").

see i was thinkin that too,

but to be honest i am also intrigued by this a lil more,

here is an interesting idea: can anyone name any reasons why afatchic and insanepenguin can't be scum with darkdude?

Posts 575 and 532 - the last two posts by afathchic. I have NOTHING on him and even had to doublecheck that there was somebody with that name in the game. So I don't have anymore to even say there.

And me with darkdude? Apart from me not being scum in the first place, why would I have voted for dd if I was aligned with him? Please explain before you start to sling "what-ifs".

in my read it looks alike like separating yourself from dd,
In my experience here scum will often post cases and even bus their partners right through to lynch if need be to clear themselves

[tubby216]

so i'll

vote insanepenguin02

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so are you trying to relieve pressure from your partner IP there korts or what?

it seems like an easy thing to do since i am a popular target and people would surely jump back on.

but you cleverly give yourself an out cause you suspect him of being thick headed and kinda scummy?

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a what??

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because i am working a post with a case on you as well as ip, but i felt your post needed attention, since thats what i got when i read it

[tubby216]

sorry catching up, i appologize for my absence sick kids,

thing is owe, case on IP and case on Korts _ probably post by tonite

[tubby216]

i am here and need to reread

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claim time?

already claimed

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i completely lost track of it,

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so ecto are you saying adel is scum??

cause i tried that on one of my re-reads and then dropped it cause all i found is WIFOM arguments that weren't pro town,

and if somone claims to have the gun would you then want rage to track that person to confirm that they indeed shot that person?

what if there are two guns out there??

i mean if we are playin what if letts throw it all out there right?

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@ thAdmiral,
i claimed on page 22 post number 533

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@korts
no i diddn't. i thought i saw something but when i re-read i can't find it now so i guess there is no case

[tubby216]

umm not sure i guess if i had to say

ip and thAdmiral

i think most pro town are adel and ecto

korts, rage and kison are pretty much middle of the road could go either way

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EBWOP:

Reading between the lines, this means, Dude with the gun (I believe there is one) don't kill Rage.

this part because that followed this by adel.

well, since there is a very good chance that you will die tonight, it would be awesome if you laid out your case against the penguin as clearly as you possibly can before this day is over.

when i first read i thought you had picked out something that pointed to adel tryin to talk his sum partner.

[tubby216]

ok so if everything hinges off of my lynch,

why do i still live??

[tubby216]

I would rather get some info from afatchic and Admiral since they will be likely choosing what wagon to jump on: tubby or mine.

im not really sure where this sudden push for IP came from but i would rather see tubby lynched today.

but you don't see the need to vote for me? hmm interesting

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thats what i thought ecto.

although it is looked as scummy to make a tie i think the town will learn more from it once its broken, and when the true identity of the lynchee is known it will make for a far better day for the town tomorrow

[tubby216]

bah!!! good job town,,

i knew i was goin to be that days lynch i was hopin to kick up enough dust that kison wouldn't be found,,

oh well i need more practice see you all in future games

[tubby216]

this was a really hard game for me to play,, i was trying really hard but i faltered bad underpressure but then agian i have never been pressured like that before in a game or since,, adel i would like that final annalysy of me in this game,, but if you would rather wait becuse you think it will help in that "other" game we are in then thats fine too.

i appologize to my partners i tried hard and when i was going down and knew it was trying to make the flames so high it left no trace of you,,

[tubby216]

I hope I didn't make the game too un-fun for you. I'll talk to you more after the other game is over-- I didn't realize that you were in it until after I replaced into it.

no not at all i have just never been pushed in that manner before so it was kinda cool and kinda scary ,,, but with that said we'll link up later

[tubby216]

i also wanted to add to tdc,, this game was challenging and really fun i enjoyed this set up emensly great job

[tubby216]

no adel i am so in !!! lol j/k adel

but i would like to play this game agian,, does my pre in still count?