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[Cephrir]

VOTE: brian skies

the sky in the flavor image is blue, pink and orange, but it doesn't appear to be brian at all

[Cephrir]

firebringer is always scum even when he's town, but we don't eliminate him because he's also cute

[Cephrir]

yes i can, ive done it before and i'll do it again

[Cephrir]

Obligatory I haven't been here in a while post but like. Hi! How is everyone. in general

pretty good tbh i've made some very significant life changes and now the way my life looks is a lot closer to the way i want it to look

[Cephrir]

if you shoot me you can't buddy me anymore

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir
Bet you didn't expect that!

et tu, erminé?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: brian skies

VOTE: Brian Skies

VOTE: brian skies

VOTE: Brian skies

Thanks guys can I get uhhhhh 3 more votes plz!

Obligatory I haven't been here in a while post but like. Hi! How is everyone. in general

pretty good tbh i've made some very significant life changes and now the way my life looks is a lot closer to the way i want it to look

That actually makes me smile to hear that I have good memories with you in them so I'm happier that you're happier

Still working on it myself but also feeling more centered and confident and whatever!

ah, you remember that!

[Cephrir]

reads

Brian Skies - lying scum
northsidegal - we'll know by day 2
Cephrir - cute
Ethel - cute
Elpis - cute
Save The Dragons - cute
Firebringer - cute

[Cephrir]

I hope Cephrir won't get jealous of StD and i, we're such good friends in this game.

Awfully neighborly of you

i hope this isn't the worst crumb of all time

[Cephrir]

10/10 work honestly

[Cephrir]

ty im very good at reading u

i meant std's jokes clearly

[Cephrir]

I feel like i've walked into a room with a bunch of besties and now i'm standing in the corner petting the dog that is at this party

you are a part of this love train whether you like it or not

but also yeah this is maybe an especially cool playerlist but the start of a mafia game is normally fun like this before we get all srs

[Cephrir]

you should pet cats

[Cephrir]

def not me. I bite and stuff

no one will ever buy this tough pup act

[Cephrir]

i am only 60% joking with a cephrir scumread. I am starting to actually believe it a bit.

"60%" im in your scum pt come on now

[Cephrir]

Can we decide that votes are actually for voting to keep IN so I can vote cephrir forever and then have an excuse for why he got banished and say I didn't know better

[Cephrir]

I spent the last few minutes attempting the norwegian equivalent but it turns out I know very little about all Scandinavian nations

howdy neighbor, nice fjord you got there. how's your awesome government and social programs? i hope being one of the happiest countries is going well for you. uh... oslo

[Cephrir]

I'm so easy to pocket it's not even funny, people say something remotely nice to me and i'm like "oh shit are we friends now?" And glue myself to them.

Cephrir please confirm

i mean it's pretty true in real life but how do i know it applies to mafia hmmmmm

[Cephrir]

surely everyone can agree to the good scratches

[Cephrir]

Ok I will give you both pets then, this is acceptable

Mm, an excellent way to pocket me... but can I be in your pocket if you are already in someone else's pocket?

pockets of holding

[Cephrir]

Although based on probability i would say brian is more likely town than scum. As although my the last time i played was 3 years ago. In my games back then it often turned out that the the first quick wagon on day one was normally on town 90-85% of the time

i mean. everyone is more likely town than scum. that's math

[Cephrir]

cephrir whats my alignment.
and it better be scum

scum

[Cephrir]

Spoiler: bob - back and forth on this read

VOTE: ballpointpen

Feels like they believe teh pen is mighter than the sword

comes in end of page 2, we were already kind of leaving RVS, and this felt like an out of place attempt to keep themselves in casual RVS, rather than engage with what was happening

Bob's later posts kinda read as misguided town though, so I can also see this first post as town not reading anything and just throwing a vote while thinking of how to make it clever. I do that too

Spoiler: ballpoint - lean scum

i was going to write my post using chatgpt but i don't have to balls to do that in a foreign forum

VOTE: bob3141

i don't know if your username is a reflection of not knowing pi to 5 digits or just an attempt to trigger everyone, which is far worse

if more than 3 people want to see the chatgpt attempt i will post it and let you guys figure out what i asked chatgpt to write to create such a post

VOTE: ballpointpen

Feels like they believe teh pen is mighter than the sword

average keyboard fan vs average pen enjoyer

ballpoint's posts here felt like too much at once, trying too hard to be RVS chill... like when someone says "do whatever i don't care" specifically because they do kinda care

before bob started to read townier, I saw this exchange through the lens of scum theatre

forum mafia is basically armchair psychiatry yeah but thats how I felt reading these exchanges

Very heavily amused by calling it armchair psychiatry, but it definitely does allude to reading far too much into every little statement like that, very funny

wait if mafia is armchair psychiatry can i count playing it as internship hours

also marquis is town if anyone didn't get the memo yet

[Cephrir]

cephrir whats my alignment.
and it better be scum

scum

then why wont u talk to me in our pt. Its very rude.

im negging you to bring out your best work to impress me

[Cephrir]

for example you aren't claiming scum enough

[Cephrir]

VOTE: nsg

~competing wagons~

[Cephrir]

But in those games back then, the amount of time that first real wagon ended up on a player that flipped town at some point was greater than the chance of a random pick. Though doesn’t preclude them from benign scum but does make it on balance less likely.

Feels a bit weird to conclude so much from a wagon on Brian when they’ve only made 1 post so far and that was after the votes.

Its from my experince from the games i played in 2020 and 2021. Most often that first wagon ended up on town with a few cases with it being on scum. As i said earlier, off the top of my head the ratio of first wagon on scum to first wagon on town was somethign like 1:9. Which was cgeater than the ratio of scum to town for those games.

Those wagons came in all forms town heavy were the scum would jump off quickly, all town, scum heavy and town heavy when the town would be ones to jump off early

So if I'm reading this properly, the analysis is that brian is likely town, with no information to gain on the contents of the wagon?

On balance more likely town. It makes him more likely town but doesnt preclude him from being scum just makes it less likely. Always found it to be a strong early indicator. think of it like roulette wheel, such wagons are far more likely to fall on town compared to the players raw chances


All four players on him are just as likely town as they are scum if the wagon is taken in isolation. If the first rvs wagon had taken more time to form and happened after almost all players had made posts. Then it might be different picture but trying to determine anything from its comp would just be counter productive

fwiw i dont agree with this line of thought at all but i think it maybe makes this person town

[Cephrir]

i actually think that was a prod dodge by NSG tbh

good point

[Cephrir]

He hates onions I think, that seems like scum behavior to me

[Cephrir]

i actually think that was a prod dodge by NSG tbh

good point

is it really?

not anymore

[Cephrir]

it feels kinda mean but i'm also voting nsg because i think she's not great at scum so is the most likely to respond in an AI way

[Cephrir]

I think its cute!!
Fire if NSG flips town would you also be ok with being flipped? Not that u would but like hypotheeeetically

seems very early to be suggesting this

[Cephrir]

i think that's what an annoying player would do here yes

[Cephrir]

how was that cephrir?

you'll be RC in no time

[Cephrir]

i'm saying that you are severely annoying me this game. probably its leading to me making worse decisions than i would otherwise. this game is also bad because of you for reasons aren't directly related to me.

probably you are scum and all of it is intentional and in service of your win condition though

Maybe this isn't alignment indicative but I am having trouble understanding what is so upsetting

[Cephrir]

Hey Ethel

You expressed some reads day 1 in this game. This surprises me a little compared to our conversations about mafia. Is that because you're starting to understand where they come from, or because you feel like you have to have some?

[Cephrir]

and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

I don't see anything odd about that??

[Cephrir]

Hey Ethel

You expressed some reads day 1 in this game. This surprises me a little compared to our conversations about mafia. Is that because you're starting to understand where they come from, or because you feel like you have to have some?

So formal... am I in trouble, officer?

bites lip

A bit of both, I suppose... I still find it hard to read people I don't know over text, but of course I still have opinions and in this case I just wanted to give a bit of reasoning for my vote so it doesn't look completely random.

If you were in trouble I'm sure you'd know exactly how to get out of it :p I'll have to address you less formally in the future

Thanks for answering, I'm just finding I don't really suspect any of the high posters at the moment so feel like I need to consider alternatives

[Cephrir]

From what i can see you never signed up to a newbie game, so how new are you really? Are you just using your newbie newbieness to lull us into a false sense of security?

This is my second game of online mafia. Ceph took me by my shoulders and gently shoved me right into the real action.

From what i can see you never signed up to a newbie game, so how new are you really? Are you just using your newbie newbieness to lull us into a false sense of security?

This is my second game of online mafia. Ceph took me by my shoulders and gently shoved me right into the real action.

Oh! So we have about the same amount of experience then! He did the same to me lol

What was I supposed to do ;-;

[Cephrir]

you forgot to put firebringer at the bottom

[Cephrir]

i currently would genuinely like to eliminate nsg if her play doesn't change

[Cephrir]

i think that you are mafia because you are not doing anything

[Cephrir]

NSG, do you have any particular reason why you're so upset with this game? I don't want to vote you just based on attitude alone, but do you feel like you'll be able to assist in scumhunting? Your actions seem too genuinely hostile to be just straight scum, so I really would like more input on what's going on there.

i don't think it's worth continuing to talk about.

i'll just scumread you for it then i guess???????

[Cephrir]

i think your reasons for hating this game are alignment indicative

[Cephrir]

why play with firebringer if you hate him so much idgi

[Cephrir]

i think that you are mafia because you are not doing anything

NSG, do you have any particular reason why you're so upset with this game? I don't want to vote you just based on attitude alone, but do you feel like you'll be able to assist in scumhunting? Your actions seem too genuinely hostile to be just straight scum, so I really would like more input on what's going on there.

i don't think it's worth continuing to talk about.

i'll just scumread you for it then i guess???????

also, although i feel kind of awkward about saying something like this immediately upon entering the thread, it really feels like the way you're talking you're looking for reasons to not scumread me. is that the case? these comments are outside my expectations for how someone would interact with someone they supposedly think is playing deeply within their scum meta

i would enjoy playing with a town version of you because it's been a long time since i've seen it if ever and i once played with a scum version of you and found the experience dull and disappointing

i'm also just confused by the unwarranted vitriol i didn't think you were a rude person

[Cephrir]

i think your reasons for hating this game are alignment indicative

what do you base this conclusion on?

see above - based on previous experience seeming to indicate you prefer to not play at all if given a scum PM which is more or less what you are currently doing

[Cephrir]

is it really so strange that i would see you having a bad time for no clear reason and go "hmm, i wonder why that is"

[Cephrir]

if you want to persuade me that you're town go do something other than defend yourself

[Cephrir]

is it really so strange that i would see you having a bad time for no clear reason and go "hmm, i wonder why that is"

i don't think that it's strange. what i'm saying is that i think that both your premises (no clear reason) and your conclusion (it's based on my alignment rather than other factors) are wrong.

I'm not the only one finding the reason unclear. As a result I assert that it is unclear.

[Cephrir]

is it really so strange that i would see you having a bad time for no clear reason and go "hmm, i wonder why that is"

i don't think that it's strange. what i'm saying is that i think that both your premises (no clear reason) and your conclusion (it's based on my alignment rather than other factors) are wrong.

I'm not the only one finding the reason unclear. As a result I assert that it is unclear.

i've been pretty direct about the things that have bothered me this game. if you don't understand

why

those things would bother me, that's one thing, but to say that there isn't a reason at all wouldn't be accurate.

also (and somewhat ironically), the fact that i can't be annoyed in a game without it seemingly making me look like scum, or the fact that now i feel self conscious about bringing up any complaint or umbrage or anything that even vaguely resembles me saying "this bothers me" – well, that bothers me. i think that overall you're trying to make a personality driven meta read, but (and i say this with no offense) you don't really have the requisite understanding to make an accurate one. again, i would like to stop talking about myself as soon as humanly possible, but when the reason that i seem to be getting scumread isn't just based on my content but is based on

me myself

and my personality, i sort of have to say something.

also, to ask again – do you think i've been rude this game? genuine question, not really even game related.

You seem really upset at Firebringer for basically nothing and it does feel unkind from where I'm sitting yes

[Cephrir]

if you want to persuade me that you're town go do something other than defend yourself

cause all this feels like ceph is trying to push all this non game related talk? idk how I'd classify this, like, why not go push reads? challenge nsg's read on whoever, but these past like 10-20 posts, I'm skimming like "ehhh not a fan"

...non game related? seems very game related to me

how do i challenge the reads of someone who barely has any

why are you trying this hard to find a scumread on me

[Cephrir]

It's when a replacement enters the game and immediately comments on the scumminess of their slot

When you rep in do you not look at the top wagon? It's not my fault top wagon just so happened to be me, and like this is all you keep doing? rather than comment on anything else game related it's "get andante!!" but like you're not even voting me

VOTE: Not Mafia

look at it? sure. iso it? hmmmm. it is strange that NM didn't vote tho

[Cephrir]

if you want to persuade me that you're town go do something other than defend yourself

cause all this feels like ceph is trying to push all this non game related talk? idk how I'd classify this, like, why not go push reads? challenge nsg's read on whoever, but these past like 10-20 posts, I'm skimming like "ehhh not a fan"

...non game related? seems very game related to me

how do i challenge the reads of someone who barely has any

why are you trying this hard to find a scumread on me

I tried reading those nsg posts, but I was struggling to understand them, they just felt a lot more like just trying to discourage someone from making reads than "hey you have no reads, what are you thinking" and I had flashbacks to when people would get me going on a tangent and then I'd just be so out of the mood for making reads/caring.
I'm not "trying that hard to find a sr on you"
I'm playing a game with a table of lots of people I know, which I already struggle at reading, so I'm trying to see yall as town, and letting yall know where my concerns are

i don't really know how to respond to you accusing me of something i didn't do so i'm just going to disengage

[Cephrir]

i feel like this game has a massive problem.
And the big huge red flag is im like a universal townread.

The fuck is with that shit

im not there yet if that helps

[Cephrir]

im townreading firebringer now

[Cephrir]

I was under the impression that tell was about isoing ones predecessor to see if they said anything scummy or claimed

[Cephrir]

I was under the impression that tell was about isoing ones predecessor to see if they said anything scummy or claimed

It's also that, it's about a player coming in and being like, oh yeah that previous slot holder was scummy but I'm not

I've done this as scum.

I still don't know how viable the tell is though.

im sure its not 100% but ive seen it work before

[Cephrir]

well its 80% true.
my jokes aren't that gr8.

@brian we need to roll scum sometime for reals tho. And I want to be on a scum team with cephrir again, its been AGES

simply play games with me, our odds are like 50% given our respective tendencies to pull scum

[Cephrir]

im finding gimli persuasive

not_mafia is making more sense than usual but i'm not sure if that means anything

VOTE: bpp

[Cephrir]

no one is townreading me but i'm so cute and popular (how did this happen) that it doesn't matter

just look into these eyes and tell me with a straight face some part of you wouldn't be ok losing to that

[Cephrir]

i don't understand why people are townreading cephrir beyond a bias towards townreading high activity slots.

who is townreading me? first ive heard of it. maybe std?

[Cephrir]

i don't understand why people are townreading cephrir beyond a bias towards townreading high activity slots.

who is townreading me? first ive heard of it. maybe std?

nvm im mistaken about this it's just no one

[Cephrir]

well, elpis hasn't experienced my patented mafia charm yet, so that makes sense

[Cephrir]

I do miss the pumbaa avatar tbh

[Cephrir]

Ah, but my esteemed lady, surely a pure heart shines all the more brightly.

[Cephrir]

<3

[Cephrir]

i think there were some hasty unvotes in response to ballpoint's reaction to being run up but i dont think there was any real reason that couldn't have been scum ate. and i think this post is telling

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

[Cephrir]

Felt like self righteous annoyance that it shouldn't have happened and dumbie townies are being dumbie.

why can't scum have this exact emotion? because i entirely agree with this aside from the conclusion

[Cephrir]

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

brian could most definitely be scum and i feel like my posts were just blatantly ignored from today, which is just great

i have no idea what the logistics are for putting someone at NM-hammer but if nsg just doesn't want to play then that's not something you should be exercising by voting an easy target
because that's clearly what im viewed as and that's a fucking dumb move

fuck this apathetic attitude that's hanging in the air
its killing the mood and is anti-town, a terrible combination

i already told you my ideal version of this game, we quickhammer ballpoint and i die overnight

Why do you want to quick hammer ball. If you want to end the day one quickly again why ball.

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

i want this godawful day to end so 1) firebringer can shoot me and get me out of this game like he said he would and 2) i think that the game is in an active spiral of anti-content and i genuinely believe at this point that a wagon on ballpoint would probably be equal to if not better than whatever wagon this day ends up actually ending up on

So do you town read, scum read or neutral read ball

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

why was your problem with nsg's read on me and not the fact that quickhammering there is actively anti-town
like it felt like you weren't at all actually concerned about the ramifications of me possibly flipping and more about trying to formulate some sort of accusation on nsg

where is "i'm obviously town" living here. i can't find it

also now that i look back on this, wtf is 382 upset about? there are at most two game related posts in his iso to this point, and one of them is reads without reasons so how would anyone not ignore it

[Cephrir]

i would actually like to hear from ballpoint what posts they were annoyed about having "blatantly ignored"

[Cephrir]

i see anger at being an easy target and i see anger about being quickhammered

they've also gone back to doing nothing since this

your arguments are only making me feel more correct firepup

[Cephrir]

i mean, 383 expressly says "easy target" that isn't something i made up

[Cephrir]

Gimli why did you fold so easily here

[Cephrir]

Love you too woofbringer

[Cephrir]

just throughout the gameday I think

spat with nsg doesn't happen when he is scum

townreads on std and ceph are super thin but also likely correct and sound

ethel's reaction to being wagoned unfortunately may denounce noobscum so fber prob town also for association

Fwiw having spoken to her before the game about mafia in general I think this is emblematic of her real opinion

If you're getting something off the tone or presentation, fine, but she genuinely believes D1 is borderline random

[Cephrir]

This is why I was a little bothered when she did try to have reads (but I don't want to discourage her from doing so!)

[Cephrir]

but she genuinely believes D1 is borderline random

then why give 2 reads with 1 being "nsg not scummy" and the other is "bob/andante haven't swayed me 1 way or the other, so slot is scum!" like, that's just flat out not even trying

yeah i agree that part is a little strange but i feel more convinced on ballpoint right now

[Cephrir]

also ethel is cute and i don't want to kill her ;_;

[Cephrir]

alignment is a state of mind

also bpp is legit scum

[Cephrir]

I'm a fencesitter myself

I have been getting shit about it since the dawn of time

[Cephrir]

unfortunately most mafia players think they are infallible geniuses and are not humbled even after repeatedly being proven incorrect

ive tried playing like this before. it actually works as far as getting people to listen to you and that's a little depressing

[Cephrir]

unfortunately most mafia players think they are infallible geniuses and are not humbled even after repeatedly being proven incorrect

ive tried playing like this before. it actually works as far as getting people to listen to you and that's a little depressing

You think you can escape
My scrutinizing gaze
Which sees beneath the drape
And pierces through the haze?

You try to hide from me
Your feelings and your thoughts
You think that I won't see
And won't connect the dots?

Ha - don't make me laugh
It's all to no avail
I'm perfect in my craft
I never doubt nor fail

Await my judgement now
There's nothing to refute
With certainty I know -
You're lovable and cute!

The sheer arrogance to think you could definitely know such a thing! <3

[Cephrir]

so I think we should give MT a day
and I think ethel is a much more likely slot to flip scum than bbp was

No. Scum replacements are still scum

[Cephrir]

Since the last time I posted my strongest and most confident scum read is Norwegian moreso than my past reads but like.. how to articulate why in a manner that makes sense

Vig kill them plz bc idk if I can convince anyone

I'm interested in hearing about this product and or service

All the moreso after norwe's super self conscious response to this

[Cephrir]

I don't believe you :3

[Cephrir]

Pass

[Cephrir]

Okay, I guess this will just be one more negative example towards that theory then.

i think this post is town, ironically

[Cephrir]

im just going to point out that we have e-2 on ethel, notmafia in the game and her counterwagon isn't voting her yet

[Cephrir]

so unless someone wants to change their stance at this point, maybe she should claim

[Cephrir]

We should flip ballpoint and then give me all the credit

[Cephrir]

Don't let MT's charisma seduce you away from the truth

[Cephrir]

Ceph If you feel so strong about Ethel being town we can go elsewhere

UNVOTE:

I'll read it up later

It's more that I really feel good about ballpoint being scum

[Cephrir]

id like some input on whether that makes sense. anyone?

[Cephrir]

I sort of expect MT to come around and look towny, I already unvoted Ethel so she is not in any immediate danger

ok i missed that never mind

[Cephrir]

i mean yes MT will come around and look townie either way, she's pretty good at it

[Cephrir]

i think there were some hasty unvotes in response to ballpoint's reaction to being run up but i dont think there was any real reason that couldn't have been scum ate. and i think this post is telling

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

Felt like self righteous annoyance that it shouldn't have happened and dumbie townies are being dumbie.

why can't scum have this exact emotion? because i entirely agree with this aside from the conclusion

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

brian could most definitely be scum and i feel like my posts were just blatantly ignored from today, which is just great

i have no idea what the logistics are for putting someone at NM-hammer but if nsg just doesn't want to play then that's not something you should be exercising by voting an easy target
because that's clearly what im viewed as and that's a fucking dumb move

fuck this apathetic attitude that's hanging in the air
its killing the mood and is anti-town, a terrible combination

i already told you my ideal version of this game, we quickhammer ballpoint and i die overnight

Why do you want to quick hammer ball. If you want to end the day one quickly again why ball.

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

i want this godawful day to end so 1) firebringer can shoot me and get me out of this game like he said he would and 2) i think that the game is in an active spiral of anti-content and i genuinely believe at this point that a wagon on ballpoint would probably be equal to if not better than whatever wagon this day ends up actually ending up on

So do you town read, scum read or neutral read ball

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

why was your problem with nsg's read on me and not the fact that quickhammering there is actively anti-town
like it felt like you weren't at all actually concerned about the ramifications of me possibly flipping and more about trying to formulate some sort of accusation on nsg

where is "i'm obviously town" living here. i can't find it

also now that i look back on this, wtf is 382 upset about? there are at most two game related posts in his iso to this point, and one of them is reads without reasons so how would anyone not ignore it

i would actually like to hear from ballpoint what posts they were annoyed about having "blatantly ignored"

i see anger at being an easy target and i see anger about being quickhammered

they've also gone back to doing nothing since this

your arguments are only making me feel more correct firepup

[Cephrir]

Ya I'm bussing both of them for fun

[Cephrir]

Not bad (for probable scum, but I guess I'll try to chill on that)

[Cephrir]

Got any scum games I can look at?

[Cephrir]

I'll get you one day tweetie

You may have efforted hard enough to get the rest to move

But one day

[Cephrir]

First question maybe
Second yes

[Cephrir]

I was actually thinking of putting out a left field NM vote just last night

[Cephrir]

VOTE: nm why not

[Cephrir]

I was actually thinking of putting out a left field NM vote just last night

Why?

everyone feels kinda town

[Cephrir]

Seems a bit strange to me that you would give up MT scumread so easily.

i'm not giving up i just recognize that i'm going to lose support after the amount of effort she just put in

so i'll be back in a couple days, probably

[Cephrir]

what MT presented, which was kinda towny but absolutely within her range as scum

this

[Cephrir]

fenrir when have you ever believed in anything i said about why i was town

[Cephrir]

i am not worried about my image i am recognizing that my vote is not accomplishing anything. actually thats kind of a weird accusation really, since having an unpopular scumread is actually great for your image

[Cephrir]

i think you should answer the question

oh i guess my post didn't post

i can answer the question, i was just wondering why you had asked it, that seemed unusual for you

i don't know what magic you use to read me, so should you specifically be townreading me? i don't know. im a little surprised you aren't already what with the magic powers and all, but i have faith that you will get it right within a day or two if you're town. im not sure what is different this game to you to the point that you suspect me, but the whole process is a black box to me anyway so it's hard for me to read you off it

have i left my scumrange this game? probably not

[Cephrir]

why does it seem unusual for me

i feel like i already answered that. i don't think you typically care what i think about why i'm town

how are you reading me

idk, im not that concerned about it right now

[Cephrir]

It's a good vote at least

[Cephrir]

VOTE: enchant

[Cephrir]

Sometimes a spade is just a spade

[Cephrir]

i... what

well im lost

[Cephrir]

im busy hanging my head in despair and confusion ok

[Cephrir]

i could explain it again but im not sure what the point would be since that logic was apparently wrong

[Cephrir]

i doubt everything and everyone

[Cephrir]

i doubt everything and everyone

who was your top TR of d1 then? let's yeet them!!!

marquis, but ;_;

[Cephrir]

It's Ethel btw

I am voice for the dead!

ethel was the neighbour who was ignoring him btw

I do think its ethel (as scum)

i forgot about that

@ethel can you tell us your side of what's been going on in your neighborhood

[Cephrir]

I'm very upset that I flipped enchant and I wasn't even scumreading neither enchant nor nsg

im an idiot who sheeps weak cases ig

I don't believe I've ever seen a psychologist before.

Anyhow, two of my scumreads flipped town. So I guess I'm sheeping for now.

VOTE: Ethel

Why do these both sound like scum to me

(The answer is I'm losing it)

[Cephrir]

Can we slow our roll

I want to hear from Ethel

I also would like to hear any theories about why morning tweet is dead

[Cephrir]

i really don't regret misyeeting enchant even when i saw he was a vig.
Letting enchant live with vig was never good

Maybe I could've died tho. Which is probably all I'm good for atp

[Cephrir]

i really don't regret misyeeting enchant even when i saw he was a vig.
Letting enchant live with vig was never good

Maybe I could've died tho. Which is probably all I'm good for atp

HEY U
BUDDY
RACCOON FRIEND

I HAVENT LIKED ANY OF UR POSTS SINCE THIS GAME DAY OPENNED

As if you liked them yesterday

[Cephrir]

Oh nice

I'll try to find my groove again at some point tho I just need to mourn the possibility I have good reads this game

It was a dear friend

[Cephrir]

like ceph ur doing exactly what scum me would do at start of day.
act confused on the flips.
tell everyone to calm down not rush anything
and have an air of defeated about u.

U need to stop because scum u is much better than scum me. These are weak scum plays if ur scum. I know u can do better if ur scum

I'm genuinely confused about the kill choice tho what am I to do

Also maybe this indicates that they are not scum plays

[Cephrir]

andante is def townie af

I can maybe get behind ceph being mafia powerwolfing with his friend, especially since ethel spent the entire d1 calling ceph scum

When did Ethel do this?

[Cephrir]

@ceph who is ur theory on who should have been night killed

I was expecting marquis or you

[Cephrir]

I also would like to hear any theories about why morning tweet is dead

I have 1!!! You did it to only talk about MT today!

Isn't that the complete opposite of what I would do if I wanted to only talk about MT today

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir
Bet you didn't expect that!

right... the only time that happened was rvs?? what are you talking about gimli

she wrote poems about ceph being scum and stuff like that, it wasn't once it was throughout

I think you are mistaken about the meaning of the poem

[Cephrir]

I'm not even townreading her I just wish I was

[Cephrir]

not really, no. i still feel generally paranoid of everyone and unsettled, and will either need to review or see more content to fix that

[Cephrir]

maybe i need to read my own iso to remember what i was thinking yesterday outside of these wrong reads. at the moment my kneejerk reaction has me throwing the baby out with the bathwater

[Cephrir]

based on my iso i think: 1. andante is town and

2. these posts contain content that still feels relevant

Gimli why did you fold so easily here

Since the last time I posted my strongest and most confident scum read is Norwegian moreso than my past reads but like.. how to articulate why in a manner that makes sense

Vig kill them plz bc idk if I can convince anyone

I'm interested in hearing about this product and or service

All the moreso after norwe's super self conscious response to this

fenrir when have you ever believed in anything i said about why i was town

i think you should answer the question

oh i guess my post didn't post

i can answer the question, i was just wondering why you had asked it, that seemed unusual for you

i don't know what magic you use to read me, so should you specifically be townreading me? i don't know. im a little surprised you aren't already what with the magic powers and all, but i have faith that you will get it right within a day or two if you're town. im not sure what is different this game to you to the point that you suspect me, but the whole process is a black box to me anyway so it's hard for me to read you off it

have i left my scumrange this game? probably not

why does it seem unusual for me

i feel like i already answered that. i don't think you typically care what i think about why i'm town

how are you reading me

idk, im not that concerned about it right now

[Cephrir]

i made myself want to reread std and he's really funny and makes me smile

also, for those of you who are taking neighbor as AI i have two comments
1. it's not and you're wrong for thinking like that (this is a blanket disclaimer i have to give anytime someone tries this line of reasoning)
but also
2. std and norwe are probably also neighbors so you might wanna factor that in

[Cephrir]

why is std's read on me kind of wishy washy that's not how this usually works

[Cephrir]

you are all underestimating elpis

norwe has done pretty close to nothing this game

[Cephrir]

VOTE: save the dragons

maybe this is the time i get you

[Cephrir]

brian is POCKETING ME

[Cephrir]

weird there were these doglike voices in my head but now it's just me

[Cephrir]

yeah that makes sense

[Cephrir]

Also, in my two games so far it seems that just calling someone scum long enough gets you townread, but... why? Sure, I get that mafia probably wouldn't want to attract too much attention, but if this has been established as a reason for people to get townread then it's precisely what I'd do as mafia too.

it's about seeming like you are really trying to figure things out id say. it's possible to imitate of course, but how well, and for how long?

[Cephrir]

like ceph ur doing exactly what scum me would do at start of day.
act confused on the flips.
tell everyone to calm down not rush anything
and have an air of defeated about u.

U need to stop because scum u is much better than scum me. These are weak scum plays if ur scum. I know u can do better if ur scum

I am genuinely highly confident cephy is not scum, I do not think he would be so expressive of his defeat if he was scum because he'd probably not do something so expressive, and would instead try to appear proactive and contributory. That's my current thoughts at least

you're CONFIDENT ceph isn't scum? I can't recall a single past game he has played like this, idk, he was fine till d2 here, d2 I'm just like "what are you doing?" cause it feels like he's gonna use this "I feel defeated" mindset as an excuse to not do much here. I don't get your high confidence in this, especially after you were just on the enchant wagon. was that a high confidence scum read?

you say this but i feel like i just got over it and did plenty so how am i using it as an excuse to not do anything

also if you think im acting differently isnt that like... a good thing given that im always scum

[Cephrir]

i liked ethel's post on this page too and i feel strongly that someone is fooling me/us so im less interested in going there than ever i think

or im her partner if you want. god i hope she never flips scum ill die so fast

[Cephrir]

It's zero games - we are friends

[Cephrir]

its something incredibly insane like brian/norwee/?????

that's why MT flipped, she is good at reading these guys

and I'm not gonna bother trying to win cause I flipped enchant and I need death before brian and norwee do. norwee's push on nsg is super disingenuous imo. but I can't even say that cause last gameday I was like 'okay i dont fully agree with firebringer's perspective but I guess that's a good flip', but ofc norwee was just inflating it meh. and I e-1ed enchant like a scumsiding idiot.

Getting one wrong does not mean you need to be flipped

[Cephrir]

I feel like the only thing of value so far is the MT kill.

this seems unlikely

[Cephrir]

Ceph weren’t you pushing hard for MT scum.
Why do you think scum would kill them?

i already gave my thoughts on this and no one liked them and i think maybe there is scum motivation to get me back on this topic so i will pass thank you.

Wait… what if StD and Cephrir are so awkward with reading each other this game because they are SCUM partners?!

what is awkward about it?

i think cephy sure looks town from what he's posted today but i'm a little wary

i disagreed so much with this take from StD.
ceph openning this day made me downgrade from being in his pocket to now just staring at him from afar

*puppy dog eyes*
the pockets are warm

I guess I can see an angle on StD being scum but its literally only because of his interactions with Ceph
And that requires Ceph town.
Also it requires me to really understand how StD reads Ceph, which i dont think i have. Because im really basing of that StD likes posts I don't like and i don't see the reason why he liks them.

Ceph is like my cornerstone of reading people for a few players now i think. Much wow.
Which is strange cause i am only pushing ceph back up my town ladder because of those takes other people give.

Maybe i am just a contrarian

you are clearly a contrarian do you not know this about yourself

i dont know how std reads me either but he's good

too many people are kind of letting andante run wild.
Need some town leaders and i don't nominate myself.

If ceph is town i want him to lead this day.
if he is scum, then he can continue just side commenting and shit that i feel he is doing.

leadership is hard and scary. we are lacking in natural leaders tho and that is usually when i step up
on the other hand what if they killed MT so that i would have no contest in leading us to hell because my reads suck.

[Cephrir]

having andante and ethel as maybe the only two people i currently trust is rough given the former's insistence on murdering the latter

[Cephrir]

fwiw i dont think it's strange at all that elpis thinks they know exactly how i would behave as town; they are pretty confident in their knowledge of me as a human and frequently have correct assessments of how i feel about something before i even tell them, so founded or not im not surprised to see that take from them

[Cephrir]

{andante}
{ethel}
{}

[Cephrir]

i should look into gimli's town game. i haven't seen it yet

i want to town lean him here but i know he's pretty good at this game

[Cephrir]

yes in fact you should always do that with me

[Cephrir]

why are we voting for gimli

[Cephrir]

it bounced off my brain the first time but i skimmed it again and didn't mind it

why is brian voting for gimli


1286 seems to indicate he doesn't dispute gimli's points

[Cephrir]

I'm interested in his take about StD and Norwe being neighbors

i mean they both joke about it nonstop and now we know the setup does contain neighbors so it just seems likely to me

[Cephrir]

the way elpis started this post questioning me about why i thought those people were neighbors and ended it taking as fact that they were enighbors feels town indicative

but perhaps i am simply falling for their trap

[Cephrir]

well I'm town, and I feel like I'm town af, all yall are like "yes I see it" and I'm like, ok, elpis don't see it??
waiiiiitttt that might make elpis town... scum thinks I'm pocketable...

ETHEL SCUM! BACK TO ETHEL
VOTE: Ethel

I just think you're volatile, and make snap quick decisions with great confidence that town usually can be comfortable enough following, but I don't trust your judgement on your choices so quickly, nor do I trust you.

nice nice, did you see earlier, fire said he wanted me to be town leader and that idea got support? ANDANTE IN CHARGE!!

i want to experience you running a town while i'm like high or something. i feel like that would be an experience

[Cephrir]

i am actually really annoyed that u were a confident townread and now even im questioning that.

Can one person in this game give me no doubts about them being town. I just need one person i don't need to go back and think "wait is that a scum post"

put your faith in ethel, queen of ermines

[Cephrir]

i need more mafia game pages that are mostly andante and firebringer yelling at each other charmingly

there are so many fun scumteams i could have been on in this playerlist hypotheitcally that i'm almost sad to have rolled town

[Cephrir]

i kind of do think that the impenetrability of the game indicates nm is just scum

[Cephrir]

by what

[Cephrir]

i mean i can't find the scum or generally figure out what's going on so it's more likely there are 2 players playing really well than 3

pedit basically

[Cephrir]

i guess i can buy you believe this.
maybe.

probably.
idk still feels like ur trying to break up my townreads on norwee/brian. Which isn't working.
if ur town here ur doing a terribad job of convincing me i shouldn't trust them.

It's working on me

[Cephrir]

A reads poem. Of course. <3

They're not far from where I would be at if someone pointed a gun at my head and demanded I have reads immediately

[Cephrir]

I feel as though there's probably scum in the people who have been pushing the MT nightkill, and I feel like it's probably Gimli.

Unless MT crumbed PR somewhere, I wouldn't have made that kill (like why would I kill one of my scumreads whose slot was being suspected by most of the playerlist?).

sure is fun watching exactly the people gimli is criticizing move towards suspecting him in unison

[Cephrir]

neighbor spec makes me so unreasonably upset

[Cephrir]

What about it upsets you?

It's conceptually wrong

[Cephrir]

i just can't decide where my vote is best served atm but at least there are several options i find appealing

[Cephrir]

im entertaining std, brian or norwe at the moment

i have a feeling a neighbor isn't bussing their own neighbor tho gimli

[Cephrir]

IDK how thats such a bad take and I think STD's overreaction to it doesn't make me feel any better about his slot or about his relationship with norwee in this game. I think the convoluted trolling around the neighborhood could point at svs as well, I don't see how that's too unlikely.

i know this is going to sound funky coming from me but

i dont think neighbors can be all scum in a Normal game

[Cephrir]

IDK how thats such a bad take and I think STD's overreaction to it doesn't make me feel any better about his slot or about his relationship with norwee in this game. I think the convoluted trolling around the neighborhood could point at svs as well, I don't see how that's too unlikely.

i know this is going to sound funky coming from me but

i dont think neighbors can be all scum in a Normal game

why

Having them flip as neighbors is like... Borderline mod lying I feel like?

[Cephrir]

I see NM showed up to say what is effectively nothing information and go silent again, so I will not be altering my vote anytime soon, I think.

Fwiw that part is par for the course for him, but I don't blame you for wanting to vote there and am somewhat open to it myself

[Cephrir]

VOTE: notmafia

[Cephrir]

good coordinated hammer, scumbuddies

[Cephrir]

when the mod ruins your sick mindgames

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

this is so sad alexa play despupcito

[Cephrir]

i plan on reading back in an attempt to find interactions but they'll probably be scarce

[Cephrir]

interactions :3

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Brian

his fluff isn't even particularly inspired. i think he was pocketing me/hiding behind me on the ballpoint push? and i didn't like these posts

so I think we should give MT a day
and I think ethel is a much more likely slot to flip scum than bbp was

No. Scum replacements are still scum

Ceph If you feel so strong about Ethel being town we can go elsewhere

UNVOTE:

I'll read it up later

It's more that I really feel good about ballpoint being scum

I'm in a fair bit of agreement with Cephir here.

I suppose we can see what MT has to say, since she's already posting as I type this. Although the alternative, Ethel, seems to be a wagon based on playstyle difference?

I don't believe I've ever seen a psychologist before.

Anyhow, two of my scumreads flipped town. So I guess I'm sheeping for now.

VOTE: Ethel

I feel Elpis is scum but i can't articulate at this minute.
I think the tone of his posts is kind of fuckery (as in it feels monotone and hard for me to figure out) and his explanation of why ceph couldn't be scum felt like a scum arguing for townie to me.

I've gotten the same feeling from Elpis' posts. It's like, he's never played a game with Cephrir (at least on this site), but he acts like he knows everything a town Ceph would or wouldn't do. It feels like he's spewing TMI and I do think it's possible he could be trying to buddy Cephrir.

gives up too quickly on ethel townread when voting her was popular & discrediting elpis' ability to read me because it doesn't work with his agenda?

[Cephrir]

go to bed fenrir

[Cephrir]

Ceph did you roll scum

no and you're not getting me mislimmed this game so don't try

[Cephrir]

N_M being scum explains so much.

Such as?

[Cephrir]

Well I was wondering which of Ethel and elpis was marinating me~

I am blowing this game in so many ways.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: no lim

[Cephrir]

I guess we can talk even though it's kind of suboptimal today

I'm not too happy with gimli's shitty hammer

[Cephrir]

We can just vote you today if you're going to give up

[Cephrir]

We are not eliminating anyone just because they're a neighbor

[Cephrir]

The sequence of events of this game (eliminating a vig, never getting to clear either of them and have a day with that, losing a mislim to the vig shot) is a tragedy

[Cephrir]

We are not eliminating anyone just because they're a neighbor

nah we're eliminating the neighbor because the neighbor was literally trying to lim ethel/dragons...

So what. You honestly wouldn’t think scum wouldn’t be in neighbours if you were town in my situation? You’d just freaking expect that Radiantcowbells planted 4 town neighbours? He owned us with his setup. Made us look like idiots. And the final cherry on the cake will be when you inevitably paranoia vote me and scum double votes and game ends in fucking final town neighbour flip.

If there are 4 town neighbors I don't look dumb at all thank you very much

[Cephrir]

Maybe we should actually lim today I don't feel like having town-andante in a situation where one misvote ends the game is like ideal (no offense)

[Cephrir]

I think the vig hood is really cute. It's like our reward for having a vig not shoot their neighbor is a masonry.

Too bad it worked out this way

[Cephrir]

Brian claimed VT

[Cephrir]

Oh NVM I misread

[Cephrir]

I am gonna need marquis to post today

[Cephrir]

At least if there are 4 town neighbors I can link this game in response to neighbor spec in perpetuity

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

Btw StD seemed to not suspect me to the end in the hood which is kinda cute.

did he give any indication who he does suspect?

[Cephrir]

elpis showed in their first game that they are a convincing scum player

one weakness i noticed was that they didn't seem quite sure what to do with their partner

in this game, they quite unceremoniously bussed NM if scum. unfortunate, it was NM, and not a slot with longevity, which is to say probably the easiest partner to bus convincingly in the entire world. so they certainly could have found their way to this

it's almost like we don't have a scum flip to work with at all

[Cephrir]

I see I'm currently the most popular slot! What's the bob case?

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Andante ahmished tell'd, get him to e-1

i wonder if this should be taken as significant