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[Klick]

Hiya, I've not read anything, I'll solve the game* for you all tonight, yw

[Klick]

Alright, I will need to look at this quotewall. Stuff in blue is my commentary.

Alright, currently reading through the thread. ill write up my responses to the stuff targeted at me. I'll also try to give an analysis on a few things. I won't spend too long discussing stuff that has phased out

It would help me a bit to see a response to Clone from BBT.

"no no no no, its one of my many clones that could be scum you are looking for. Mr 23563"
Nah, I think it's this one.

The Mr 23563 was a dig at how many posts he has as (conspiracy) veteran players always get power roles, often evil.

I feel like BBT was trying to act normal and was making a very natural vote against me. Clearly, it was because of my "I just came to say, hello" post. And yes that was my reply to BBT. Dismissive yes, because I felt like his vote didnt have any value to it, so didn't warrant a valid response.

and I'd like to hear how you differentiated BBT from trying to look normal from being so.

#30 Clone's first posts feel worse. First one feels a little unnatural, but the second one gives me some ping. It's a dismissive, useless post 7 minutes after he gets voted. I feel like that post only exists because someone voted him, and he felt he had to respond with something, but had nothing of substance to respond with.

#76This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.

You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.

You're right I had nothing to respond with as it was the first page and there was nothing of value to respond to. I also took his vote as a natural way of getting the game started and didn't think much of it. Accusing someone of being scum at the start of the game for saying "hello" is a shit-take on things.

this is... excessive concern for a D1 vote frankly. I don't think one such vote should be conflated with a sr. It's true that BBT stated they do sr clone, but much later. As we're here, @BBT, was you already sring clone when you first voted him?

7 minutes, don't really see how that's relevant? This game has no external notifications, so I was obviously online at the time. As if I'm gonna be lurking around here for hours on end. At the time of your post that accuses me of peacing out for a long time. A long time was 12 hours at the time of your post. 8 hours sleep, 2 hours of relaxation and another 2 hours at-least to do things during the day, which is a Saturday for me. My post that was 7 minutes after getting voted was around 11pm on a quiet, rainy Friday night, hence why I was more likely to be online. If your post was made right now, it would be more relevant.

well that's false, the site has external notifications with mails. But frankly they work for someone but don't work for me looking at the Bug thread, so I'll let this slide. The timing otherwise makes sense

Crescent seems like scum that is trying to take advantage of a vote that had a shitty scum-like post to it, as they don't believe i'll have anything valid to say.

I believe Crescent should have voted me by now, the excessive analyzation and a delay to vote comes off as Mafia. Their posts tend to indicate that they know I'm not actually Mafia (as they are Mafia)

Clone's two posts give vibes like he's trying too hard, by forcing himself to post when he feels he has to post *something*, because he doesn't know what to say.

Scum often find it hard to transition into a game, and I find early game awkwardness to have a fair amount of scum AI. (I'm interested to see what Ceph and especially Gera's second posts look like, for example).

Yip, did not know what to say lol. But I'm not gonna say nothing when I've been voted.

yeah, this doesn't really stand. Again, it's displaying excessive concern with that one vote, which shouldn]'t really force to do anything.

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People seem like they act the same way on day 1 whether or not they are scum. Vanilla roles and inexperience players have just as much early game awkwardness

no. D1 lims are not random, and suggesting this is +scum

Anyway, a few shit-takes.

I believe redFF is most likely town. He's staying down-low but tends to be actively curious and is asking

BlueBloodedToffee - "Don't particularly like Ceph's defence of Clone." only relevant thing that he has said, since his vote on me. I believe the vote was just a natural vote to get things rolling. What I don't like is him going silence while a discussion about me being scum was in progress and only made 1 shit-take post whilst that was going on. I don't believe BBT has any coordination with anyone, but wouldn't be surprised if Crescent was making the push because of how his team mate voted.

Crescent I would bet on being team mates with BBT. I'd like to him to give his analyze on him as they are one of the few that has been skipped by Crescent.

Cephiri we are team mates, jks. Idk if he is Ma...town than we are team mates.

biancospino, making consistent replies and asking valid questions. Doesn't particular seem like hes siding with anyone. I'd tend to believe that he is a villager. Their questions seem that they are actually trying to get information out of people and aren't just asking them to push.

yeah, suggesting that Crescent is on clone because she felt the need to keep pushing where her partner first voted on page1 is frankly absurd. Again, this give that vote excessive value.

Better content later, now I'm on a bus

VOTE: Susan, too much blue text.

[Klick]

First order of major business, we are eliminating between Kowhabunga (sp?) And Crescent toDay right?

These are both terrible options

[Klick]

I think bianco is a really strange kill and there were several more sensible options

[Klick]

Kow is easy ml bait. Comfortable with my vote

This is the correct take on Kow
I think Frogster was pretty towny as well though

[Klick]

Alright I'm all caught up

I strongly suspect at least 2/3 scum are in the really low content slots. Of the more active posters the only player who I'm not feeling rather towny about is Clone.

[Klick]

VOTE: Marashu

[Klick]

The Susan thing is a joke from a game ten years ago that only Ceph will understand

What gave you the impression that my reasoning for townreading Kowah was because he's mislim bait?

[Klick]

"Kow is mislim bait" /=/ "Kow is town because he's mislim bait"

[Klick]

He's basically playing exactly how he played in our last game. He is actively solving and seems genuinely interested in it. I think he believes what he argues and I don't think his intent in what he says is to persuade people into townreading him. Kowah is my strongest townread

[Klick]

He's basically playing exactly how he played in our last game. He is actively solving and seems genuinely interested in it. I think he believes what he argues and I don't think his intent in what he says is to persuade people into townreading him. Kowah is my strongest townread

Ok fair enough, have you played in a scum game with him?

Kow, have you been scum here in a game?

No
That doesn't discredit my read as much as you want it to though

[Klick]

Based on the interactions you've already had in this game so far, I read you as the type of person who would ask the question in 397 to try and bring down the read. If that's an unfair assessment then I apologise.

[Klick]

scooby doo

[Klick]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Klick]

I will get to this game at some point today.

Apologies for my lack of involvement so far.

What's the point in a BBT wagon? They've already acknowledged their inactivity and are planning to fix it. Wagoning there accomplishes nothing

[Klick]

VOTE: Marashu

Follow me here if you have nothing better to do with your vote.

[Klick]

Right, I wanted to slowroll a little bit but this game is stalling pretty badly.

Here's where my reads are currently at:

TOWN
Kowahbunga
Cephrir
Elsa Jay
furtiveglance

LEANING TOWN
redFF
Doctor Drew

NULL
BlueBloodedToffee

LEANING SCUM
Clone
Marashu

[Klick]

I think at least 2 scum in {Marashu, Clone, BBT} is rather likely

[Klick]

Expand on the deflecting?
Why do you think BBT and Marashu are town?

[Klick]

I also think redFF is a bad wagon

I'm not really compelled by 'wrong = scum'

I think Crescent's perspective on the game was really genuine and hard for scum to fake

[Klick]

I've already said that almost everyone who has been actively posting in this game feels pretty towny to me.
I agree that BBT has no synergy with anyone. I have BBT as null. I almost always have BBT as null because I never feel like they have synergy with anyone.

I don't think Marashu is scum because he's quiet.
I don't even think you've BEEN quiet!

Do you have any more assumptions for me?

[Klick]

Right, this game ended so I can start tryharding slightly more in this game.

Hot take: the Elsa Jay wagon is garbage. I very heavily doubt that Elements was scum in this game.

I think redFF has SOME scum equity but I always think that about redFF and I think there are much better options for today.

I'm bothered by how little natural interest there is in a Marashu wagon.

[Klick]

VOTE: Clone

This probably just makes sense in this gamestate

[Klick]

Clone/Marashu/???

BBT is the easy answer but it's probably not that easy

[Klick]

VOTE: Clone

Scum found.

no no no no, its one of my many clones that could be scum you are looking for. Mr 23563

Nah, I think it's this one.

Don't particularly like Ceph's defence of Clone.

I think Clone is scum.

Yeha Bianco, I was scum reading Clone for his entrance and that scum read has not only been maintained, but strengthened.

Is anyone else convinced that Clone is scum yet?

Crescent, why aren't you voting Clone?

Clone, why Frog?

Clone, where do you feel like Frog was setting up to vote you?

Kowah, tell me more!!

VOTE: Gera

Actually yeah this just looks like a really shallow early game bus lmao

[Klick]

Right, this game ended so I can start tryharding slightly more in this game.

Hot take: the Elsa Jay wagon is garbage. I very heavily doubt that Elements was scum in this game.

tell me more?

Elements reads as really relaxed in this game
I've not played with her recently but I've followed several of her games and she's been scum quite a bit lately
Every time she has felt really... I guess 'stiff' is a decent word for it, like she has struggled to get comfortable posting in the game

In this game she's mixing 'pap' trolling with the occasional read that looks genuine and doesn't seem nervous at all
She doesn't seem to care about her perception

[Klick]

BBT can you summarise why you think Clone is scum?

[Klick]

VOTE: clone
E-1

Pagetop

[Klick]

I see zero difference between this game and a standard redFF town game

[Klick]

It's like geraintm yesterday, he never does anything different early game but he gets limmed for it anyway because it's naturally really scummy-looking to people

[Klick]

VT

Go furtive go!

[Klick]

VT

Go furtive go!

Pagetop

[Klick]

I'd really appreciate it if everyone could give this thread a read.

Tl;dr: we have 5 town left and it is very very unlikely that we're all going to unanimously agree on a scum to vote today if left to our own devices. With Doctor Drew being conftown, we massively benefit from letting him come to a final decision on today's elimination. We can discuss and form and share opinions all we like, but I think everyone following Drew's vote gives us much more realistic chances of voting scum today than voting by majority.

PEdit: No Lim is the correct play when there's not a Vig, but with a Vig I think eliminating today is definitely the optimal play

[Klick]

The basic idea is that 5 town aren't going to all agree on a scum to vote today realistically

Meanwhile 1 town making a 3/7 choice is entirely realistic odds and much better than the alternative

Best to decide were doing that before getting too deep into reads though if we're doing that

[Klick]

So should everyone just give their reads and such?

I feel like I should stay kinda silent about all this, I don't want to offer up any info what way I would vote.

Agreed; that's how I played it off the first time I tried this, though it was mostly so that people would stick with the plan of sheeping me even if they disagreed with my reads.

I feel strongly about Kowah and Ceph both being town. I already discussed Kowah-town quite a bit yesterday and I stand by my reasoning there.
Ceph and I have been good friends for years, and although we haven't played much Mafia together (we both frequent LSGs) I do know him rather well. He is curious, actively asking questions and prodding the game, and is otherwise just generally engaged at a level that seems unnecessary for Ceph!scum. I'd be pretty surprised if he were scum in this game.

That leaves {Marashu, BBT, furtive, redFF}. Out of those four, I suspect furtive is the town. I don't think furtive is a very strong scum player, this feels like his town game, and I thought Crescent felt towny as well. But I could see a world where I'm wrong there.
redFF I could go either way on. The one thing that had me feeling really good about him previously was mindmelding on his take on Kowah, but looking back I could see that plausibly coming from scum. redFF regularly plays in a way where I struggle to read his alignment one way or the other.
I haven't seen anything I feel is towntelling from BBT, and I actively suspect Marashu is scum here. I think we're most likely looking at Marashu/BBT/{redFF, furtive}.

[Klick]

I gave my reads in 706? Not sure what more you're looking for

[Klick]

I gave my reads in 706? Not sure what more you're looking for

I thought you did as well, but missed that when I went back again.

Also, no more lip....don't want to have to hold you in contempt of court.

What have I done I've created a monster

[Klick]

VOTE: Marashu

E-2

[Klick]

VOTE: Marashu

E-3

[Klick]

Not scum, but going along with the plan. Don't trust my reads, shoot where your heart tells you and hope that scum doesn't have a roleblocker, or it's GG.

VOTE: Marashu

If Marashu is town then I think this is the best approach at this point, yes

[Klick]

Well played all! No redactions here