Mini Normal 2289 - Postgame

[Alchemist21]

Alright, let me read through these pages. The game started on my busiest days.

[Alchemist21]

Moving swiftly on

My score is 9/13

9/13 what?

[Alchemist21]

Well that was easy VOTE: Brickwall

PEdit: Until Brickwall posted I was working on this:

Oof the furtiveglance avatar immediately after the CSF avatar is not a pretty sight.

On a more a serious note I'm sitting here contemplating whether or not to scum read any of the 3 (furtiveglance, CSF, Dionysus) of your posts. Dionysus is the most interesting because I scum read

I think I like you for Town. I don't expect scum to make a post like this early on.

[Alchemist21]

Do you think there's a cost to posting even though there's no post limit? Should we be trying to keep our post counts low?

It would be very helpful to me personally if the game's post count stayed low. I don't want to come home from work and have the game feel more like a chore than a game because there's a mountain of new pages.

[Alchemist21]

I'm getting scumvibes from 20. I wouldn't exactly call it buddying but it does seem like the sort of jokey post scum would make towards a Townie.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

[Alchemist21]

frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

I kinda agree with the Furtive read.

[Alchemist21]

frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

I kinda agree with the Furtive read.

Can you tell me who else has made a (serious) scumread so far? All I can see is Frogsterking's STD point being repeated by you

People have also been forming Townreads or actually trying to solve more than you have so far. It wasn’t your lack of scumreads but your lack of any meaningful content despite several posts.

[Alchemist21]

People have also been forming Townreads or actually trying to solve more than you have so far.

I have?

Well no but I’ve played with you before and kinda remember you taking a bit. I also remember misreading you multiple times before so I’m just gonna try to figure out others first.

[Alchemist21]

I think I can see how you got there, and it does make more sense if you're town than scum.

Well done

Was this it?

[Alchemist21]

Yes

Oh. Sorry I missed that one then.

[Alchemist21]

Speaking of Townreads I forgot to mention earlier that I think Eiralox is prob Town because I don’t think scum would just walk into the thread announcing they’re gonna sheep another player and then self-vote to comically prove the point.

[Alchemist21]

Speaking of Townreads I forgot to mention earlier that I think Eiralox is prob Town because I don’t think scum would just walk into the thread announcing they’re gonna sheep another player and then self-vote to comically prove the point.

I think the exact opposite. I think that’s what scum could possibly do.

It’s grabs a lot of negative attention, especially with the self-vote. Most people just aren’t that brazen as scum and want to be more cautious.

[Alchemist21]

Speaking of Townreads I forgot to mention earlier that I think Eiralox is prob Town because I don’t think scum would just walk into the thread announcing they’re gonna sheep another player and then self-vote to comically prove the point.

I think the exact opposite. I think that’s what scum could possibly do.

It’s grabs a lot of negative attention, especially with the self-vote. Most people just aren’t that brazen as scum and want to be more cautious.

Eiralox isn’t most people though. He could be that brazen as scum. Not saying you must scum read him for it, I just personally think you should be cautious with how much town cred you give him for it.

Have you played with Eiralox before?

[Alchemist21]

Just want to know if your warning is based on personal experience with them or a general disagreement with my stance.

[Alchemist21]

I thought we had. Your name’s familiar at least.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, how are you progressing with your reads here? Have you had a chance to reread anything?

Not really. I worked a clopen and went to bed as soon as I got home. Several of my last posts were made while at work and when my dogs come back inside I’m probably going back to bed.

Also I doubt I’m going to be able to form a read on Not_Mafia.

[Alchemist21]

Holy shit, Penguin's right. I thought both posts were NM.

Enchant is Town IMO and Enchant + NM are never scum together.

I'll take a hint and reserve judgement on NM!Town because I got unanimous rejection to that idea.

I'm on pace to have a perfect gamesolve halfway through D1! I guess I could use a second opinion on alchemist though to make sure I'm not getting pocketed.

He hasn't pinged me, but for some reason I remember alchemist having a decent scum game, so i don't really think enough has happened to say he's town with great confidence. I can't remember him saying anything original, but maybe he hasn't had the chance to

That’s fair. I did once get nommed for a scummie for my scum game, though most of those games I was partnered with Flavor Leaf too.

I’ll be able to give the game more attention if not when I get home after today’s shift then on Wednesday when I’m off.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

where did this come from?

VOTE: Frogster
no

VOTE: Frogster
no

No what?

You're latching on to NAI stuff in order to start discussion

Which is fair tbh

VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

I think this post is bad

I also am liking brickwall's most recent posts

You seem a bit restless

Can you explain/clarify what you mean? “Restless” isn’t a term I’d use to describe T3 so far so I don’t really see where you’re coming from.

[Alchemist21]

Ok that makes more sense.

[Alchemist21]

^Furtive said restless, not reckless, but I’m not trying to get bogged down in semantics. I don’t necessarily agree with the T3 read, but after furtive’s explanation, I can see why they were seeing that in T3’s posts and why they would push T3 on it.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t get how you think I’m coaching Eiralox. What part of anything I said gave you that impression?

[Alchemist21]

No. That’s my take on the general mindset players would have as they enter the thread.

What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense. I’m calling the behavior Towny, so why would I also be subtly asking them to improve it? Or do you think I was telling them to keep doing what they’re doing, and if that’s the case why do you think I would even feel a need to coach them then?

There’s also the fact that post 2 says in the rules all PTs have Daytalk, so if I were scum with Eiralox I could just coach them there.

[Alchemist21]

The ones I quoted, especially when you give two contradictory statements on Frog in one post

Oh yeah, I should get more sleep

I can't really defend against this - my post about Frog came from a place of mild exasperation about Frog's playstyle.

I’m trying to do that reread I promised to have done by Wednesday and there’s something bothering me so far.

@T3 you unvoted Frog because you said it was an RVS vote, but since then you gave a couple reasons to scumread him but never moved your vote back, nor are you voting anyone else. Is there a reason you’re not voting anyone right now?

[Alchemist21]

Dionysus townreading furtive is kind of interesting - I feel like furtive has a scummy meta at face value until you get to know him. Though I suppose it's plausible if you believe his T3 read

but the rest of Dionysus' responses aren't as bad as I was expecting ngl

Would a redflip of either T3 or Dionysus affect your read on the other, and if so how and why?

[Alchemist21]

@brickwall

I would like to see your response to 263.

[Alchemist21]

@Cephrir

Do you have any sort of personal grudge against frogsterking?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Cephrir

I’m not really thrilled with Cephrir’s entrance either.

Cephrir’s first post implies they read the thread before deciding to replace in (which is probably true) but there’s less early takes than I would expect and more shooting down frogster’s push on the slot. What’s pinging me is that Cephrir seems to be assuming frogster is just wrong Town but I don’t know what reason he has to be Townreading him at this point. Maybe it’s based on their meta but at the same time Cephrir openly encouraging other players to just ignore frogster is also scummy. I think maybe Cephrir thought he was replacing into a Town slot and had to readjust on the fly when he got in and realized it was a scum slot.

[Alchemist21]

Like I get having personal beef with someone but basing half your posts around it isn’t something I expect from Town.

[Alchemist21]

Don't turn off the muzak

I can get you more muzak. Lol

[Alchemist21]

Suit yourself.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Cephrir

I’m not really thrilled with Cephrir’s entrance either.

Cephrir’s first post implies they read the thread before deciding to replace in (which is probably true) but there’s less early takes than I would expect and more shooting down frogster’s push on the slot. What’s pinging me is that Cephrir seems to be assuming frogster is just wrong Town but I don’t know what reason he has to be Townreading him at this point. Maybe it’s based on their meta but at the same time Cephrir openly encouraging other players to just ignore frogster is also scummy. I think maybe Cephrir thought he was replacing into a Town slot and had to readjust on the fly when he got in and realized it was a scum slot.

I skimmed the most recent couple pages before entry. If I were scum who had read the game and had a lot of takes I would just post them anyway.

Go look at the completed large theme KTaNE. If anything my response to frog has been remarkably tame by comparison. How would you expect a town player to respond to some of the silly attacks against me here?

I don’t have the time or energy to read a large theme for 2nd hand meta so I’ll just take your word for it.

As Town I don’t expect you to make as many posts about it as you did if you thought they were silly, and again if you wanted to ignore them based on personal beef that would be fine but telling others to ignore them is not Town.

[Alchemist21]

I'm not just posting this to be mean it's necessary context for how I'm going about this

Maybe I shouldn't have taken this slot I just read those 2 pages and got annoyed by the bad logic so I decided to do something about it

Honestly your personal choices do confuse me, I would just not join a game if someone I didn’t like was in it. And your decision to replace in is inherently NAI and I KNOW that, but I think my confusion on understanding you as a person is playing a part in my read on you.

[Alchemist21]

If you’re Town I really need you to step up and show it.

Anyway I have to go to work now.

[Alchemist21]

I feel enchant actually plays when theyre town and trolls when they're scum

Why does that sound familiar? I think I have a completed game with someone may have said it then. Let me see if I can find it.

[Alchemist21]

I feel enchant actually plays when theyre town and trolls when they're scum

Why does that sound familiar? I think I have a completed game with someone may have said it then. Let me see if I can find it.

It used to be true, but I don't really think that's true anymore.

I can’t find the game right now anyway so I may be confusing then with Elements or someone else. Still at work and might look again when I’m at home.

[Alchemist21]

I feel enchant actually plays when theyre town and trolls when they're scum

Why does that sound familiar? I think I have a completed game with someone may have said it then. Let me see if I can find it.

It used to be true, but I don't really think that's true anymore.

I can’t find the game right now anyway so I may be confusing then with Elements or someone else. Still at work and might look again when I’m at home.

Came home and looked again. I don’t have any past games with Enchant.

[Alchemist21]

Does NM usually get prodded as one alignment more than the other?

[Alchemist21]

He always gets prodded

Figures.

[Alchemist21]

I truly don't understand how my posts generated zero enchant votes nor even a response from enchant

Am I invisible

I was going to ask why you voted Enchant even though you had games disproving the theory, but after looking at the right-to-wrong ratio figured you were basing it on it being more-likely-than-not rather than a 100% always happens thing.

In that one game where he was Town and you said it took a while for Enchant to start obvTowning, about how long exactly did that take?

[Alchemist21]

Cephrir would you please respond to my 573?

[Alchemist21]

Oh right I remember

That was the one where he claimed bodyguard and started interacting mechanics in a town motivated way. It wasn't until he claimed that I started to see it

Ok, and am I correct that you’re going on the basis of “he’s more likely scum than not” or is there another reason you’re not giving Enchant some benefit of the doubt here?

[Alchemist21]

Oh right I remember

That was the one where he claimed bodyguard and started interacting mechanics in a town motivated way. It wasn't until he claimed that I started to see it

Ok, and am I correct that you’re going on the basis of “he’s more likely scum than not” or is there another reason you’re not giving Enchant some benefit of the doubt here?

Correct - if that process gives me an 80% chance of reading enchant correctly for example, that is way better than I can do for any other player right now by normal methods

Ok, fair enough. I don’t think I can ask you anymore meaningful questions about Enchant.

Are there any other players in this game you feel you can read more accurately than random based on your past experiences with them?

Are there any players here you think could read

you

more accurately than random?

[Alchemist21]

I'm sorry alchemist that I didn't keep my promise about tapering my posting down.

It’s ok. I could tell you were holding back up until the Lycanfire push and it was greatly appreciated.

[Alchemist21]

Freud was right about the death impulse

You can always self vote in order to prevent spewing your team. It won't affect my reads but who knows, it might help.

Can you not? Cephrir wasn’t wrong when he said some of your posts were unfair to him and this is one of them.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

With the other questions I wanted to know if there was someone I could trust to sanity check my read on Cephrir and if to know which reads of a TownCephrir I could trust, and it would help establish some more associations if he’s scum.

Saying “nobody here can read me well” is unfortunate and doesn’t inspire a lot of faith in him being Town, and I kinda doubt he’ll even be able to change my read on him at this point, but if he does flip Town I’m sheeping his Townread on you until the end of time.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, where were you going with the questions you asked Ceph?

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

With the other questions I wanted to know if there was someone I could trust to sanity check my read on Cephrir and if to know which reads of a TownCephrir I could trust, and it would help establish some more associations if he’s scum.

Saying “nobody here can read me well” is unfortunate and doesn’t inspire a lot of faith in him being Town, and I kinda doubt he’ll even be able to change my read on him at this point, but if he does flip Town I’m sheeping his Townread on you until the end of time.

Sorry for not having more friends??? This is such a wild take

I think I worded it poorly. I’m not scumreading you for not having anyone in this game who can metaread you, it’s just at this point I don’t think anything else would be able to make me change my read.

[Alchemist21]

If you really need me to have some STD might be able to read me but I feel like I need more data before I let him have this

But dang you really did say the quiet part out loud about cliques dude

I’m not trying to make this personal and I’m not a part of any clique. Hell, this is my first game back in over a year, maybe 2.

I’m also not assuming someone has to be your friend to read you well, or that a friend always can read you well.

[Alchemist21]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

I think he has a good point on Enchant and I’m more suspicious of Enchant for it, but I kinda think Town would maybe wait it out a bit given that there are games where it took Enchant a bit to Town it up, but I also think it’s fair to go on the basis of that Enchant’s scum more often than not here given how few games there were that contradicted the point.

[Alchemist21]

If you really need me to have some STD might be able to read me but I feel like I need more data before I let him have this

But dang you really did say the quiet part out loud about cliques dude

I’m not trying to make this personal and I’m not a part of any clique. Hell, this is my first game back in over a year, maybe 2.

I’m also not assuming someone has to be your friend to read you well, or that a friend always can read you well.

And just to make this clear, I’m not saying you don’t have any friends either.

[Alchemist21]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

[Alchemist21]

The Enchant questions were to get a bit more understanding of he’s thinking about things.

Yeah that's what I was thinking of when I asked this, did that line of questioning affect your read of Enchant or Ceph?

I think he has a good point on Enchant and I’m more suspicious of Enchant for it, but I kinda think Town would maybe wait it out a bit given that there are games where it took Enchant a bit to Town it up, but I also think it’s fair to go on the basis of that Enchant’s scum more often than not here given how few games there were that contradicted the point.

D
And also... didn't you just slot me as lockscum tho

I’m still willing to acknowledge I could be wrong, I just think it’s unlikely at this point.

[Alchemist21]

By friends I meant a group one plays mafia with a lot

Either way I’m sorry if I upset you. I promise I wasn’t trying to insult you or anything.

[Alchemist21]

Consider the possibility that by voting for enchant and trying to start a wagon on him I'm potentially expediting the process of making him become townier if he is town

I almost asked if there was a post limit or time limit past which you would no longer Townread Enchant for efforting, but I didn’t because you said there was that one game where he managed to do it as scum. If he’s Town then he should start to do it on his own, and if he’s scum then pressuring him would be more likely to make him effort just enough to fool us into thinking he’s Town. I was avoiding even talking
about this because just talking about it could have the same effect in a scumEnchant scenario.

It’s why I asked if it ever takes Town Enchant time and after you said yeah why I thought Town you might wait a bit.

It happened after he claimed, and I'm assuming that claim happened because he was run up, sooo~

Oh. For some reason the “50 posts” part stuck with me and not the “after he claimed” part.

What made him effort in that one scum game?

[Alchemist21]

It’s after 4 AM maybe I should just go to bed.

[Alchemist21]

@Cephrir

Have you gotten a chance to read through the part of the game before you replaced in? I think I’d like to see your all your takes on that.

[Alchemist21]

That was so smooth I actually thought that was CSF for a second there.

[Alchemist21]

4. Alchemist21 - town

why

I liked his analysis of you and furtive and he seemed to be open to other people's ideas.

Furtive? I didn’t have much to say about them and I dropped my scumread of them when they showed me I was wrong.

[Alchemist21]

The copypasta is funny tho

It would have been more funny if it made any sense. If I really were that smart I would discover and describe the future tell myself rather than quoting the person who had to explain it to me. I guess Cephrir main motivation is to shade me and your main motivation is to interpret everything Cephrir posts in a positive light so you don't have to vote him out, so it makes sense you two would be pretty pleased with 795.

Have you never seen the Rick and Morty copypasta before?

[Alchemist21]

So my main take away from the last few pages is:

1) frogster vs Cephrir is really fucking funny. Thank you so much for replacing in as it has made this day very entertaining
2) frogster is going to extreme lengths to dig up dirt on Cephrir which I think is very +++town. It means he legit believes in his read because if Cephrir flips town then this would look so bad.
3) I townread alchemist already but I definitely feel sure he is Town now. He has been engaged and scum hunting and I have liked his analysis. So not that the question is relevant anymore if I had to hammer either him or NM I'd go NM.
4) I still think Cephrir is scum
5) although I think Cephrir's enchant analysis is interesting
6) this could be svs but it was largely ignored or disagreed with so maybe they are wrong

Which interaction are you saying could be scum v scum?

Also for (1), it’s funny until it’s not. Last night was actually really uncomfortable and I think the personal beef between them is making things worse.

[Alchemist21]

The copypasta is funny tho

It would have been more funny if it made any sense. If I really were that smart I would discover and describe the future tell myself rather than quoting the person who had to explain it to me. I guess Cephrir main motivation is to shade me and your main motivation is to interpret everything Cephrir posts in a positive light so you don't have to vote him out, so it makes sense you two would be pretty pleased with 795.

Have you never seen the Rick and Morty copypasta before?

I don't think so. Have you?

Yes it’s a well-known thing. It’s what Cephrir was referencing.

[Alchemist21]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/to-be-fa ... -and-morty

[Alchemist21]

after i flip town please kill enchant and alchemist21

thank you

Didn’t you think I was lining up to mislim Enchant after you?

[Alchemist21]

i recommend protecting csf she's the only one capable of leading this town out of whatever drug induced haze they're currently operating under

I said it before and I’ll say it again; if you flip Town I will sheep this read.

In fact even if you’re scum I don’t think you’re lying about CSF being Town.

[Alchemist21]

i recommend protecting csf she's the only one capable of leading this town out of whatever drug induced haze they're currently operating under

I said it before and I’ll say it again; if you flip Town I will sheep this read.

In fact even if you’re scum I don’t think you’re lying about CSF being Town.

I disagree with this take, alchemist, I do think Cephrir is sharp and he is very aware of how his words will be interpreted after his death. He only started saying CSF is obvtown after I posted my team solve. There are associative tells between Cephrir and CSF slot. Usually I am all for looking at words and getting preflip information, in this case though I think it's important to take the actions of both heavily into account.

If you want to dig into this, then answer me this:

Often when scum decide to hard defend a Town slot, they are able to pick up on details and post arguments about a slot is Town, because scum already know where to look. If that's what Cephrir is doing, how come he has such a limited ability to describe WHY CSF is actually Town?

Some people don’t really like explaining their metareads on people because it can make them aware of it, and nobody’s actually asked Cephrir to explain it so we can’t really say he doesn’t have the ability to.

CSF has been his most vocal defender, and if scum Cephrir is wagon shopping he’s still probably not going to point fingers at his best chance of staying alive.

[Alchemist21]

Associative tells between CSF and Cephrir slot*

Because of lycanfire.

What associative tells do you think were made when Lycanfire was still in the slot?

[Alchemist21]

Associative tells between CSF and Cephrir slot*

Because of lycanfire.

What associative tells do you think were made when Lycanfire was still in the slot?

Where was the reaction to CSF vote?

There were a lot of votes Lycan didn’t react to.

[Alchemist21]

I’m back with a lot of pages having passed since I last was here. Please point me to anything I’ve missed or pressing, and I’ll begin reading through.

I would still like a response to 263.

Beyond that, most of the talk has been around Cephrir so I’d like your take on the whole Cephrir situation once you’re caught up.

[Alchemist21]

Associative tells between CSF and Cephrir slot*

Because of lycanfire.

What associative tells do you think were made when Lycanfire was still in the slot?

Where was the reaction to CSF vote?

There were a lot of votes Lycan didn’t react to.

Associative tells between CSF and Cephrir slot*

Because of lycanfire.

What associative tells do you think were made when Lycanfire was still in the slot?

Where was the reaction to CSF vote?

There were a lot of votes Lycan didn’t react to.

Lycanfire was posting at the time CSF voted him. Lycanfire made 6 posts in one "session" and CSF voted him in between his first and second post.

Check the time stamps on page 4, alchemist.

I still don’t get why that makes CSF scum. Lycan could just be scum ignoring a naked vote from a Townie.

[Alchemist21]

@

alchemist

863 did you take into account the time stamps, the context of the game and what they were motivated by?

I'm sorry I walked into this a weird way by answering what I didn't like from only one side (lycanfire.) For example, it isn't just that lycanfire didn't ask CSF why she voted him, CSF didn't ask lycanfire about his reads either, despite them both being online at the same time...

I think 94 is the weirdest post in the whole thing.

I also think CSF was also putting a lot of energy into her conversation with you which had just started and the initial vote on lycan was likely a knee-jerk reaction to a bad post. I still don’t think this is damning evidence of a s/s interaction.

[Alchemist21]

I... Need a minute to process this lol

1) I was right wasn't I?

2) Is alchemist a Flavor Leaf alt? They either are or they learned from him. He is exploiting your Town read on CSF and your scum read on Enchant, and until I flipped my read on you he was exploiting my scum read on you.

I said before I played a lot of scum games with Flavor Leaf.

How do you think I’m exploiting Cephrir’s reads?

[Alchemist21]

I... Need a minute to process this lol

1) I was right wasn't I?

2) Is alchemist a Flavor Leaf alt? They either are or they learned from him. He is exploiting your Town read on CSF and your scum read on Enchant, and until I flipped my read on you he was exploiting my scum read on you.

I said before I played a lot of scum games with Flavor Leaf.

How do you think I’m exploiting Cephrir’s reads?

Yes it shows. A lot.

You pumped up his scum read on Enchant which (IMO) you knew was wrong and you pumped up his Town read on CSF which (IMO) you also knew was wrong.

Your ISO looks like you knew Cephrir and I were TvT and you were playing that up as much as possible.

I think you're bad news and need to go but I'm trying to think of a way that you could change my mind. Your actions are going to speak a lot louder to me than your words. I want you and CSF flipped and I want to be more certain on my read on NM. If you help get an opposing wagon growing on CSF and help with sorting NM then I'll reconsider on you.

I’m putting value in a TownCephrir’s reads because if he flips Town I’m not going to just assume his reads are shit and ignore them.

I don’t see why you think I was fueling a TvT between you and Cephrir when I said the personal beef between you wasn’t good for the game, told Cephrir it was having a negative impact on my read of him, and told you to tone it down a bit when you told him to self-vote.

I’m not voting CSF. I am willing to vote NM.

[Alchemist21]

It feels like you only scumread CSF because they didn’t agree with you on Cephrir and you’re only scumreading me because I didn’t agree with you on CSF.

[Alchemist21]

It almost sounded like you took it personally when CSF didn’t follow you on Cephrir.

And I know you had some paranoia of me earlier in the game, but to go from saying I’m Townlocked to wanting me flashwagoned so quickly it seems pretty obvious to me that my disagreement with you on CSF was the trigger for your 180.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Alchemist21

Frogster plays better than me

Atleast i have no idea

Everyone but Frogster agrees you’re scummy because you’re not putting in any effort into this game. Do you have anything to say about that?

[Alchemist21]

i disagree

[Alchemist21]

But seriously if you’re Town you need to start putting in more effort.

[Alchemist21]

Enchant is town

How can you tell?

[Alchemist21]

But seriously if you’re Town you need to start putting in more effort.

You want to say i am not efforting?

Yes.

[Alchemist21]

I meant specifically wrt assessing yourself, not overall

I think Enchant knew what you meant and is just refusing to effort.

VOTE: Enchant

[Alchemist21]

No like you want me to catch mafia or perform busy work to show i doing something.

Because in first case that's what i am doing. Well. I trying atleast.

Your lazy sheep vote isn’t really an attempt to catch mafia.

[Alchemist21]

No like you want me to catch mafia or perform busy work to show i doing something.

Because in first case that's what i am doing. Well. I trying atleast.

Your lazy sheep vote isn’t really an attempt to catch mafia.

Are you mafia?

No.

[Alchemist21]

Okay then.

Enchant, Alchemist says they're not mafia. That gonna make you unvote?

if i see someone to vote instead

Who are your actual scumreads right now?

[Alchemist21]

Okay then.

Enchant, Alchemist says they're not mafia. That gonna make you unvote?

if i see someone to vote instead

Who are your actual scumreads right now?

Not really

Ok. Don’t claim you’re trying to catch scum if you’re not even forming reads.

[Alchemist21]

Please explain in boogawooga language

Pengu is big heap looking for excuse to make big heap trouble for you after you voted alchemist

I'm debating voting alchemist myself so this is also untrue...KEEP MAKING SHIT UP!

Because you think I’m scum or for vca reasons?

[Alchemist21]

lycan was one of those rare d1 things i actually have something to grab but then ceph repped in and killed that so I'm back to my typical modus operandi (eiralox, that means my usual method of operating or functioning).

Ok you didn’t have to drag Eiralox into that post.

But to the main point - fair enough.

[Alchemist21]

It feels like you only scumread CSF because they didn’t agree with you on Cephrir and you’re only scumreading me because I didn’t agree with you on CSF.

Frogster outlined an entire case on you that is completely unrelated to Cephrir like a page before you posted this

See my 930.

[Alchemist21]

Okay then.

Enchant, Alchemist says they're not mafia. That gonna make you unvote?

if i see someone to vote instead

Who are your actual scumreads right now?

Not really

Ok. Don’t claim you’re trying to catch scum if you’re not even forming reads.

This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?

If I were scum with a Town Cephrir, I’d try to corral people back to that wagon, and if I’m scum with a scum Cephrir I don’t join that wagon in the first place.

[Alchemist21]

Okay then.

Enchant, Alchemist says they're not mafia. That gonna make you unvote?

if i see someone to vote instead

Who are your actual scumreads right now?

Not really

Ok. Don’t claim you’re trying to catch scum if you’re not even forming reads.

This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?

If I were scum with a Town Cephrir, I’d try to corral people back to that wagon, and if I’m scum with a scum Cephrir I don’t join that wagon in the first place.

idk about that. i think without frog on board i'm probably not happening

That’s one of the people I would try to be bringing back to the wagon.

[Alchemist21]

No. That’s my take on the general mindset players would have as they enter the thread.

What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense. I’m calling the behavior Towny, so why would I also be subtly asking them to improve it? Or do you think I was telling them to keep doing what they’re doing, and if that’s the case why do you think I would even feel a need to coach them then?

There’s also the fact that post 2 says in the rules all PTs have Daytalk, so if I were scum with Eiralox I could just coach them there.

Perhaps time has passed so I think you are reading too much into it. I don’t understand why you think calling their behaviour towny is a good defence for you though? Of course scum is going to call their scum partners behaviour towny.

I also understand there are PT in day phase, but not all coaching has to be conveyed. Coaching can be implied like the way you did it making a general statement about how a town or would act but subtly it was directed at someone specific.

Ok, thanks for responding. Will digest this more later and give a proper reaptwhen I’m not working, but my gut take on this is you’re Town here.

[Alchemist21]

Really need to stop doing that : /

Is that your alt? What is that image even supposed to mean?

[Alchemist21]

just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

If someone declares intent to put me to E-1 I will. I’m assuming NM is just gonna quickhammer any wagon that hits E-1.

[Alchemist21]

just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

If someone declares intent to put me to E-1 I will. I’m assuming NM is just gonna quickhammer any wagon that hits E-1.

I see you've moved your vote to Enchant. How confident are you in cephrir scum now?

A lot less actually. It started feeling like Cephrir felt like he had no backup, and I thought it might be that his teammates were just absent or didn’t care. As more people chimed in though, I figured that could only be true if the team was exactly Cephrir, Brickwall, and NM. I did have some suspicion on Brickwall but my read hinged on the response they provided. Not enough people make sense as a partner.

[Alchemist21]

just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

If someone declares intent to put me to E-1 I will. I’m assuming NM is just gonna quickhammer any wagon that hits E-1.

I see you've moved your vote to Enchant. How confident are you in cephrir scum now?

A lot less actually.

It started feeling like Cephrir felt like he had no backup, and I thought it might be that his teammates were just absent or didn’t care.

As more people chimed in though, I figured that could only be true if the team was exactly Cephrir, Brickwall, and NM. I did have some suspicion on Brickwall but my read hinged on the response they provided. Not enough people make sense as a partner.

Was it just a sense of bitterness/salt itself that made you think this, or something else? What made you think it was about more than just the push on Cephrir himself?

Yeah, there was a certain sense of hopelessness(?) in his posts. Less “salty” and more “why bother?” Not to say that he wasn’t trying, just that it seemed he felt defeated already.

[Alchemist21]

There’s 3 irl days left. I don’t see a need to rush my claim. If you want me to claim now you’ll have to get someone to claim intent on me now.

[Alchemist21]

Also, if you flip me today, you should sheep my sheep of Cephrir’s Townread of CSF, and go for Enchant tomorrow.

[Alchemist21]

A lot less actually.

It started feeling like Cephrir felt like he had no backup, and I thought it might be that his teammates were just absent or didn’t care.

As more people chimed in though, I figured that could only be true if the team was exactly Cephrir, Brickwall, and NM. I did have some suspicion on Brickwall but my read hinged on the response they provided. Not enough people make sense as a partner.

When was this? I remember defending Cephrir soon after you said you were feeling confident in him flipping scum

It was some time after that, I think shortly after he pointed out nobody was reacting to his Enchant push.

Your defense didn’t feel like a scumbuddy’s defense anyway and I’m sheeping his TR of you because, like I said earlier, I don’t think he would be so adamant of you being Town if it weren’t true.

[Alchemist21]

Also who else do you think is scum besides Enchant?

I’m not sure anymore.

I like you, Frog, Eiralox, Cephrir, and Brickwall for Town.

Anyone else I’m not sure of.

[Alchemist21]

I'm waiting for your claim, alchemist. Acknowledging implications of NM being in the game and then NOT actually treating e-2 as e-1 is a goof up IMO. I think being reluctant to claim with the timer where it's at isn't a goof up; I think that's deliberate on your part. If you claimed now then everyone would get a chance to think about it, if you wait until later then that won't be the case. I feel like you understand this.

Back in my day E-1

with intent to hammer

was required to force a claim from someone. 3 irl days is longer than other sites’ Day phases. Maybe people on this site feel differently now, but you’ll just have to put up with my old-school style like that.

[Alchemist21]

VT

[Alchemist21]

Unexpected actually

Frogster wasn’t wrong about me being unafraid of a quickhammer. But even as a PR I would have waited for intent.

And I think 3 days is plenty of time for more discussion.

[Alchemist21]

I wasn’t going to prematurely claim just because one person kept telling me to over and over.

[Alchemist21]

Also, if you flip me today, you should sheep my sheep of Cephrir’s Townread of CSF, and go for Enchant tomorrow.

Anyway Penguin’s probably gonna vote me in the next pagetop and NM will come out of lurking just to lolhammer, so remember this post of mine and follow it on D2.

[Alchemist21]

Did someone say E-1?

[Alchemist21]

Fuck that version didn’t have the text.

[Alchemist21]

I doubt NM is going to listen to you on holding off.

[Alchemist21]

You're still alive so hope is a thing I guess.

Don't know their plans.

If they're feeling icy I suggest you tell us where the scums are(I'm really not liking Pengu, what about you?)

I’m null on Penguin but I say give them time. They’re VCA-oriented.

T3 might be scum but Enchant is far more likely and that’s who needs to be wagoned instead.

[Alchemist21]

Also, if you flip me today, you should sheep my sheep of Cephrir’s Townread of CSF, and go for Enchant tomorrow.

Also who else do you think is scum besides Enchant?

I’m not sure anymore.

I like you, Frog, Eiralox, Cephrir, and Brickwall for Town.

Anyone else I’m not sure of.

See these posts.

[Alchemist21]

Anyways,
Alchemist i hope i get to play with u again sometime. Legit wish i came in when u were around on day 1. Miss playing with you.

Cephrir i will have my revenge. I hope i roll scum against u next time or we roll it together. if we are together i will buss u to high heven as my revenge

Enchant i am taking away ur wizard license
Furtive i didn't see u coming at end, good work.

STD ur posts were best

Yes! I hate I missed getting to play with you!

[Alchemist21]

a litmus test on being able to read not_mafia correctly

Please share your secrets with me.

[Alchemist21]

A bit disappointed Town never flipped a single scum but it is what it is. Scum played really well.

Good game, everyone!