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You're latching on to NAI stuff in order to start discussion
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I think this post is badIn post 23, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: Eiralox
That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?
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scummyIn post 55, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?In post 45, T3 wrote:In post 23, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: Eiralox
That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?I think this post is bad
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I thought that your post was scummy because it was latching on to something NAI this early. Also the tone felt forced. There wasn't much beyond that, so I decided not to vote your. My vote on Frogster is RVS. UNVOTE:In post 71, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
okay, why? And why are you still voting for Frogs instead of me if you think his posting is "fair" (44)?In post 57, T3 wrote:
scummyIn post 55, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?In post 45, T3 wrote:In post 23, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: Eiralox
That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?I think this post is bad
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This actually feels like you trying to pocket CSF.In post 72, Frogsterking wrote: Do you have any top scummyposts, CSF? For example I keep going back to 20 and 27.
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Frogster having a lot of busywork is NAI.In post 75, Lycanfire wrote: frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.-
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Brickwall is going atIn post 104, Frogsterking wrote: you are kind of good at seeming obvtownseemingobvtown? Scum pings from this post, to me it indicates that Frogster isn't actually committed to his Brickwall read? I guess?-
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I agree, but it's also tonally consistent with how I perceive STD to be in general.In post 117, Alchemist21 wrote: I'm getting scumvibes from 20. I wouldn't exactly call it buddying but it does seem like the sort of jokey post scum would make towards a Townie.
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where did this come from?
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I'm not saying that he's mimicking the tone of his town game, I am saying that the post he made is consistent with how I perceive him to play in general. In other words, it's NAI.In post 232, Frogsterking wrote:
Can you talk more about this, T3? Do you believe it's logical to guess Dragons is scum who is emulating the tone of his Town game and not the other aspects?In post 229, T3 wrote:
I agree, but it's also tonally consistent with how I perceive STD to be in general.In post 117, Alchemist21 wrote: I'm getting scumvibes from 20. I wouldn't exactly call it buddying but it does seem like the sort of jokey post scum would make towards a Townie.
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I already explained thisIn post 234, Dionysus wrote: T3 - Why do you think this post is scummy #45In post 178, T3 wrote:
I thought that your post was scummy because it was latching on to something NAI this early. Also the tone felt forced. There wasn't much beyond that, so I decided not to vote your. My vote on Frogster is RVS. UNVOTE:In post 71, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
okay, why? And why are you still voting for Frogs instead of me if you think his posting is "fair" (44)?In post 57, T3 wrote:
scummyIn post 55, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?In post 45, T3 wrote:In post 23, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: Eiralox
That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?I think this post is bad
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What posts specifically?In post 246, furtiveglance wrote: I mean the sensation of wanting to post but not being sure what to say-
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Nothing pinged me either other than an overall town 'vibe' that I got from his posts. The furtive scumread seems genuine upon looking back at his ISO>In post 252, Frogsterking wrote: @T3@Brickwalll
Do you have thoughts on alchemist posting? Also T3 that makes sense wrt Dragon.
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Oh yeah, I should get more sleepIn post 254, furtiveglance wrote: The ones I quoted, especially when you give two contradictory statements on Frog in one post
I can't really defend against this - my post about Frog came from a place of mild exasperation about Frog's playstyle.-
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This is definitely within my recent town meta as opposed to my recent scum meta.
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I don't really like voting until I have stronger reads. I also liked Frogster's Brickwall analysis and I agreed with a lot of it. If anything Frogster is sitting at lean town for me right now.In post 317, Alchemist21 wrote:
I’m trying to do that reread I promised to have done by Wednesday and there’s something bothering me so far.In post 256, T3 wrote:
Oh yeah, I should get more sleepIn post 254, furtiveglance wrote: The ones I quoted, especially when you give two contradictory statements on Frog in one post
I can't really defend against this - my post about Frog came from a place of mild exasperation about Frog's playstyle.
@T3 you unvoted Frog because you said it was an RVS vote, but since then you gave a couple reasons to scumread him but never moved your vote back, nor are you voting anyone else. Is there a reason you’re not voting anyone right now?-
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This post is weird. Previously STD shaded the Lycan wagon, now he decides to vote Cephrir while playing it off as a joke? And if this vote was truly a joke, why does STD do this so late in the game?In post 402, Save The Dragons wrote: I dunno about lycanfire but ceph is probably scum because he always rolls scum
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I really liked Frogster's case on Cephrir. I also think that Cephrir's read of Enchant is probably correct and good.-
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I am but I also think that you can’t really lie about a meta case.In post 688, Eiralox wrote:
You're dabbling in some major paradoxes here my friend.In post 685, T3 wrote: I really liked Frogster's case on Cephrir. I also think that Cephrir's read of Enchant is probably correct and good.-
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1. Dionysus - no idea, i'll read his ISO again
4. Alchemist21 - town
5. Enchant - lean scum
6. Frogsterking - town
7. Eiralox - lean scum
8. Save The Dragons - lean scum
9. Cephrir - scum
10. Cat Scratch Fever - null, i haven't read her ISO yet
11. PenguinPower - null/town
12. Brickwalll - lean town
13. furtiveglance - lean town-
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My experience of you has been that your reads are good but you generate a lot of noise that is counterproductive to the game being solved. And then you weren't doing that this game, which made me more receptive to what you were saying.In post 726, Frogsterking wrote:
Are you familiar with the principle "reads vs reasons" ? That's the gist of my Townread on T3. I also think his read progression on me is believable. I think T3 expected me to be more toxic and bad takes, and he reevaluated when he saw that I was putting in a good effort.In post 720, Eiralox wrote: Very well then.
I'm not voting you now, or soon to be frank. I like Dionysus's current vote, not seeing T3 having their head in the game here if I'm frank.
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I liked his analysis of you and furtive and he seemed to be open to other people's ideas.
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Wait no, not your analysis of furtive, your analysis of furtive's analysis of me.In post 759, Alchemist21 wrote:
Furtive? I didn’t have much to say about them and I dropped my scumread of them when they showed me I was wrong.In post 758, T3 wrote:I liked his analysis of you and furtive and he seemed to be open to other people's ideas.
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Yeah but Enchant only got involved after Cephrir pushed him for not being involved.In post 765, Frogsterking wrote:Enchant is Town. I've never seen Enchant scum hunt so much and stay involved with a game before.
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Cephrir's reaction to Frogster's deathtunnel does not feel like exasperated town at all-
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Cephrir thinks that Enchant is scum for lurking -> Enchant decides not to lurk and gets towncred for it.In post 879, Eiralox wrote: So?-
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In what way?In post 886, Frogsterking wrote:
2) Is alchemist a Flavor Leaf alt? They either are or they learned from him. He is exploiting your Town read on CSF and your scum read on Enchant, and until I flipped my read on you he was exploiting my scum read on you.In post 885, Cephrir wrote: I... Need a minute to process this lol-
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Frogster outlined an entire case on you that is completely unrelated to Cephrir like a page before you posted thisIn post 928, Alchemist21 wrote: It feels like you only scumread CSF because they didn’t agree with you on Cephrir and you’re only scumreading me because I didn’t agree with you on CSF.-
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This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?In post 968, Alchemist21 wrote:
Ok. Don’t claim you’re trying to catch scum if you’re not even forming reads.In post 967, Enchant wrote:
Not reallyIn post 963, Alchemist21 wrote:
Who are your actual scumreads right now?In post 961, Enchant wrote:
if i see someone to vote insteadIn post 958, Eiralox wrote: Okay then.
Enchant, Alchemist says they're not mafia. That gonna make you unvote?-
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no.In post 1004, Eiralox wrote:In post 995, Eiralox wrote: T3, do you have substantial opinion on PenguinPower?-
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I think it would be best if votes are applied there.
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You’re correct in that my reads have been all over the place, but it’s not like reads aren’t malleable. I townread Alchemist for his past behavior, then I saw something scummy in his current behavior, so I commented on it. I very often get scumread for this exact reason.In post 1080, Dionysus wrote:
Was this post an actual scumread? Because if it is then this:In post 992, T3 wrote: This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?
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I've read through alchemist ISO and it isn't as townie as I remembered. The humblebrag on the scummie nomination in #222 is something I've got in the back of my mind. I think there is a decent chance they're partners. T3's reads have been a bit all over the place. I get it, day 1 is hard, but he's not a noob. His progression on alchemist for example just doesn't make sense only for him to not vote him, unless they're scum together and T3 doesn't want to vote his partner. Alchemist also replied to eiralox's post of T3's messy reads and didn't actually acknowledge this inconsistency.-
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That post was made before I had read the rest of the game.In post 1115, Dionysus wrote:In post 1106, T3 wrote:I think it would be best if votes are applied there.
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In post 1141, Alianna wrote:Alchemist21 has been executed. He was aVanilla Townie.
Spoiler: Role PM
It is now Night 1. The night deadline is in (expired on 2023-02-13 12:29:27).
The night can end early if all living players agree.
there goes my townreadsIn post 1142, Alianna wrote:Frogsterking has been killed. He was aVanilla Townie.
Spoiler: Role PM
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It seems pretty straightforward that Frogster was obvtown and got killedIn post 1152, furtiveglance wrote: How do we feel about NK analysis-
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Do you not like NK spec in general?In post 1163, Cephrir wrote: i guess im just not that interested in chasing our tails on NK spec that could be wifom when we have plenty of readable content to use instead-
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VOTE: Eiralox
I really don't like the way they positioned themself around the Alchemist wagon. There was no attempt to read Alchemist, and the only time Eiralox even mentions Alchemist when he was being voted was to say that "we should give Alchemist a chance."
This all happened as Eiralox fluffed the thread and put a vanity vote on Penguin.-
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uhhh i'd go with Enchant?
i think that Cephrir will become significantly more readable now that Frogster is dead, meanwhile Enchant is taking up space. but so is Eiralox.-
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In post 1186, Eiralox wrote:
are you having a strokeIn post 1184, T3 wrote: uhhh i'd go with Enchant?
i think that Cephrir will become significantly more readable now that Frogster is dead, meanwhile Enchant is taking up space. but so is Eiralox.
HAHAHhahahaha!
just read this!
Your defining feature, lack of Day 1, is lack of space
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Interesting, weird times my hombre.-
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Are you having a strokeIn post 1186, Eiralox wrote:
HAHAHhahahaha!In post 1184, T3 wrote: uhhh i'd go with Enchant?
i think that Cephrir will become significantly more readable now that Frogster is dead, meanwhile Enchant is taking up space. but so is Eiralox.
just read this!
Your defining feature, lack of Day 1, is lack of space
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Interesting, weird times my hombre.-
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Eiralox and I made about the same contribution to the thread yesterday, but Eiralox did it in double the amount of posts as me. Eiralox’s reaction further convinced me that they’re scum. I present my case, Eiralox offers no adequate refutation and instead goes full overreaction OMGUS.-
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That is true
But then wtf is this
Like there’s no way town Eiralox genuinely believes that he’ll be able to somehow ‘intimidate’ scum me with a post like thisIn post 1187, Eiralox wrote:Get a better vote, or the little hesitation I had on pushing you Day 1, which incidentally saved you after Pengu jumped to Alchemist like a happy little rabbit, is gone!-
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I played with town Eiralox and they posted big paragraphs and wallsIn post 1247, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Why I think Eiralox is town? I've modded a scumgame of his somewhat recently, and he fit the profile of a passive/lurky scum player. He feels more spontaneous and relaxed here. I think it's unlikely that he has leveled up his scumgame in such a short amount of time.-
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I was explicitly asked whether I scumread Enchant or Cephrir more, and I said that I scumread Enchant more. I wasIn post 1269, furtiveglance wrote:
If we're doing pre-flips, look at T3. Keeping their hands clean at the moment but motioning to vote Enchant at the same time. That makes me think Cephrir/T3 is correct.In post 1268, Brickwalll wrote:
Yeah not loving the wagon on you.In post 1241, Cephrir wrote: This is the most sus wagon lmao
I think the fact CSF is trying so hard to push Ceph whilst ignoring the enchant wagon actually makes me think the enchant wagon is correct.
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If I had voluntarily said that I want to vote Enchant but I still continued to push Eiralox, that would be AI. But because I was asked a question about whether I scumread Enchant or Cephrir more, it’s NAI.-
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We are not even 24 hours into the day. This is disingenuous.In post 1277, furtiveglance wrote:
Are you staying on Eiralox all day thenIn post 1274, T3 wrote:
I was explicitly asked whether I scumread Enchant or Cephrir more, and I said that I scumread Enchant more. I wasIn post 1269, furtiveglance wrote:
If we're doing pre-flips, look at T3. Keeping their hands clean at the moment but motioning to vote Enchant at the same time. That makes me think Cephrir/T3 is correct.In post 1268, Brickwalll wrote:
Yeah not loving the wagon on you.In post 1241, Cephrir wrote: This is the most sus wagon lmao
I think the fact CSF is trying so hard to push Ceph whilst ignoring the enchant wagon actually makes me think the enchant wagon is correct.
I would ask for an enchant lim today.notmotioning to vote Enchant.-
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This is getting into semantics.
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i have no idea but i do want to hear more from CSF and DionysusIn post 1283, Enchant wrote: And what you want to discuss-
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No? I thought it was a common mafia term for scum pretending to not know stuffIn post 1296, Brickwalll wrote:
I have a question for you if you have nothing to discuss.In post 1294, T3 wrote:
i have no idea but i do want to hear more from CSF and DionysusIn post 1283, Enchant wrote: And what you want to discuss
Did you use the word disingenuous because Penguin used the word disingenuous?-
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As for furtive, I think our interaction is fairly minor and I’m not putting much weight into it. I think that Penguin’s point about CSF is more along the lines of TMI than being disingenuous. Either way, we have bigger fish to fry.In post 1297, Brickwalll wrote: Alternatively phrased, who was more disingenuous - Furtive or CSF? And, considering two synonyms for disingenuous are deceitful and dishonest, do you think we should be looking to vote one of these two players for their alleged distortion of the facts?-
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what do you think about my content today?In post 1423, Dionysus wrote: Reads changing from one post to the next is fine, but there should be a consistent thread that you can follow to make sense of the person's thought process. T3's reads have been... well not that.
also, can you point to some specific examples. i know there's the alchemist one but i think i already explained that.-
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In post 1426, T3 wrote:
what do you think about my content today?In post 1423, Dionysus wrote: Reads changing from one post to the next is fine, but there should be a consistent thread that you can follow to make sense of the person's thought process. T3's reads have been... well not that.
also, can you point to some specific examples. i know there's the alchemist one but i think i already explained that.@Dionysus-
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Dionysus scumread my read progression on Alchemist. My read progression was:
Solid townread early Day 1
Frogster 1v1’s Alchemist, I notice scummy behavior in Alchemist too
Alchemist responds to my points
I decide to vote Eiralox
It is at this point that Dionysus scumreads me for being inconsistent
He immediately jumps to the conclusion that I’m scum with Alchemist looking to avoid his wagon.-
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Dionysus assumes that because I observe scummy behavior in someone, that automatically means I scumread them.-
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