Can you expand on this?In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky
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I see.In post 126, skitter30 wrote:
Idk why people think church is scummyIn post 111, Freedom wrote:
Can you expand on this?In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky
I think herta is scummy
I don't like kittytacky's scoliosis push - i don't get how he lost the initial townread so fast, especially since it partially seems based on scoliosis 'not ressponding to kittytacky's question' when he hasnt posted at all since 20, it's not like scoliosis is avoiding kittytacky in particular
Like ig i'm kinda confused how kittytacky can start off liking 20 and then move to disliking it when other people find it scummy without scoliosis posting anything in between-
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I guess I might have misinterpreted, then.In post 148, unwnd wrote:I don't think her gripes were tone-related at all?-
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Can you explain your TR on skitter?In post 210, Dannflor wrote:I think skitter is towny and I think her opinion on herta makes sense from the position of being on the other side of the aggression
I don't feel super committed to either of these reads but those are my vibes atm-
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Voteless isn't Normal though.In post 234, Toto wrote:At this point I'm ok with Val/Ger/Ydra as the Elimination target today.
I think it is fair to infer unwind is claiming voteless at least for D1. Voteless is generally a town role but they are scummy as hell to so don't mind Eliminating them either.-
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I agree with this.In post 326, unwnd wrote:Your posts don't seem like they're going anywhere
That is my fundamental problem with you, you're just sorta involved with various things at surface level-
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Don't mind me asking but what are they usually like?In post 366, Ydrasse wrote:not to be cryptic but read them both and i went “ok very cool” and came out feeling nothing but wisps of bad about both for reasons that i’m struggling to word right now but it’s like they’re both sort of loose and present but not normal versions of themselves
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I see.In post 417, Ydrasse wrote:
i expect more from them i guessIn post 416, Freedom wrote:
Don't mind me asking but what are they usually like?In post 366, Ydrasse wrote:not to be cryptic but read them both and i went “ok very cool” and came out feeling nothing but wisps of bad about both for reasons that i’m struggling to word right now but it’s like they’re both sort of loose and present but not normal versions of themselves
like digging deeper than they have so far-
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I'm not Pooky but I feel like what Scol is doing is NAI.In post 525, Dannflor wrote:
is this actually scummy?In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I'm giving him the oppurtunity to sort me and explain his read and he's like "nah you're scum I won't talk to you"
so it's not really a "he doesnt have time to engage" or real life time issue - it's just he is actively choosing to not sort or engage and instead just make declarative statements and lamist.
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I feel like 534 catches my eye in terms of the observations made.
While Scol made a great point on Dann, I don't think that it's fair to call Pooky's wallpost scummy without explanation.
Pooky's post was pretty clearly supposed to be a scumcase on Dann.-
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Uh.In post 546, Scoliosis wrote:
Pookythebear's wallpost shows a fear to post in the thread and a need to be accepted which dannflor's wallpost does not. Pookythebear's wallpost is intended to confuse and bloat the discussion while dannflor's is adding to it. If you can't see it for yourself then there isn't a lot I can do to help.In post 543, Freedom wrote:I feel like 534 catches my eye in terms of the observations made.
While Scol made a great point on Dann, I don't think that it's fair to call Pooky's wallpost scummy without explanation.
Pooky's post was pretty clearly supposed to be a scumcase on Dann.
Thanks, I guess?
I'm still pretty sure that both are trying to contribute but Dann is just commenting on more.-
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Wait.In post 568, Scoliosis wrote:
Alt outting should be a crime.In post 567, unwnd wrote:Shut the fuck up Flavor Leaf
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I feel like it's NAI as town!Scol does it because they want to solve while scum!Scol does it to create content.In post 572, geraintm wrote:Boy i am not a fan of Scolosis style of play for day 1. day 1 i think is worthless, and they are reading so, so much into everything.
I'm leaning towards town!Scol because he does seem to be trying to do some solving.-
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Pooky explained in 232.In post 580, KittyTacky wrote:
Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.In post 433, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is where my reads are after full reread:
town:
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scol, dann
i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think
VOTE: dannflor-
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EBWOPIn post 588, Freedom wrote:
Pooky explained in 532.In post 580, KittyTacky wrote:
Elaborate your Dann read. So far Dann has just been... forgettable.In post 433, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is where my reads are after full reread:
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i'm willing to kill scol or dann today what do you think
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Nulltown.In post 690, Val89 wrote:@Freedom; What is your read on skitter?
She has made quite some in-depth posts but a lot of what she's done feels NAI.-
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OK.In post 717, Toto wrote:It would help if people not voting start voting someone, we need more drama to sort this out.
VOTE: gera-
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Me too.In post 737, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I'll read his scum game again I'm mostly just going off memory from when I played with him on his other account.In post 735, Dannflor wrote:but like if you don't agree with that there are also other issues you haven't really addressed
like I feel your summation of herta's scum meta matches perfectly with what they are doing here?
From memory, as scum, he's pretty direct and openwolfy.
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I don't SR Scol though.In post 858, Toto wrote:Yo, close your eyes, IMAGINE its day two:
Scenario A) 99.9%: we murdered Scol, he was scum. Poor Toto got shot.
Scenario B) 0.1% we murdered Scol, he was town. Poor Toto got shot.
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I agree.In post 873, Val89 wrote:Are you sure taking your foot off the gas is the best idea here?
I've been less than impressed with geraintm's play today but I do think they are perfectly capable of playing this "I hate D1 and refuse to participate in it" strategy as both alignments. Being both less cagey with the read on Sco and a quick claim might have pushed me to give them benefit-of-the-doubt and on to the Sco wagon since my vote isn't doing much on a vanity wagon presently, but this feels like wanting to take some time to confer.
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I have not tbh.In post 891, KittyTacky wrote:
Have you heard of the term "powerwolfing"?In post 859, Freedom wrote:
I don't SR Scol though.In post 858, Toto wrote:Yo, close your eyes, IMAGINE its day two:
Scenario A) 99.9%: we murdered Scol, he was scum. Poor Toto got shot.
Scenario B) 0.1% we murdered Scol, he was town. Poor Toto got shot.
Who is scum now?
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I see.In post 1018, skitter30 wrote:In post 890, KittyTacky wrote:If Gera is town he will become smarter come D2.
Posts like theseIn post 888, KittyTacky wrote:I refuse to vote Gera rn, he has consistently shown to play like this as town D1 and I don't do policy lims. He always gets run up for shit takes like clockwork. Get Scol instead.
I guess I can see why iv thinks that Kitty is whiteknighting.
It does look like Kitty is defending gera as Scol was the counterwagon.-
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I can see both, noticing that gera is the main wagon and Scol is the counter wagon.In post 1020, skitter30 wrote:Kitty is defending gera, the question is whether that's coming from scum-kitty or town-kitty
As Town, Kitty hopes to extinguish the gera wagon so that his preferred wagon goes through.
As scum, Kitty hopes to get Scol eliminated while at the sametime, pocket gera.
Kitty did seem kind of invested in eliminating Scol so I guess that it could just be that he wants Scol eliminated.-
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Not yet.In post 1023, Val89 wrote:Are you townreading gera now, Freedom?
I feel like their refusal to claim feels a bit odd.
Though, I would consider them nullish.
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I see.In post 1025, Val89 wrote:It just looked to me like that 1022 was written with a town!gera assumed.
I did assume a world where gera isn't scum with Kitty.-
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I see.In post 1035, Scoliosis wrote:
His refusal to claim is +scum.In post 1024, Freedom wrote:
Not yet.In post 1023, Val89 wrote:Are you townreading gera now, Freedom?
I feel like their refusal to claim feels a bit odd.
Though, I would consider them nullish.
UNVOTE:Geraintm's scum strategy can be broken down into three layers of defense:
On the first layer he disappears whenever possible, hoping that others will forget he is present in the game. (His absence of meaningful thought and refusal to get involved with the content between 332 and 572, not to mention most of the discussion which he lurked actively through between his posts 18 and 330.)
On the second layer he pretends to be meek and humble, hoping that others will feel sorry for him and vote someone else. (330, 763, 767 -which is refuted by pookythebear in 836 and 838-, 854 which is unbelievable, 857, etc.)
On his third and final layer he creates intrigue and confusion about his role, hoping others will become uncomfortable with the ambiguity behind his refusal to claim and move on to someone else. (894)
I had thought that his refusal to claim was just a playstyle oddity.
Though, it does seem like maybe it isn't as I thought.
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Which he hopefully gives.In post 1050, innocentvillager wrote:
Yes.In post 1042, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also dont e-1 until after toto claims his info
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I see.innocentvillager wrote:
I thjnk refusal/cryptic/drawn out claiming is on average quite towny in my empirical experience. Scol’s theory is like possible but it’s more of a hindsight/confbias narrative kind of read imoIn post 1039, Freedom wrote:
I see.In post 1035, Scoliosis wrote:
His refusal to claim is +scum.In post 1024, Freedom wrote:
Not yet.In post 1023, Val89 wrote:Are you townreading gera now, Freedom?
I feel like their refusal to claim feels a bit odd.
Though, I would consider them nullish.
UNVOTE:Geraintm's scum strategy can be broken down into three layers of defense:
On the first layer he disappears whenever possible, hoping that others will forget he is present in the game. (His absence of meaningful thought and refusal to get involved with the content between 332 and 572, not to mention most of the discussion which he lurked actively through between his posts 18 and 330.)
On the second layer he pretends to be meek and humble, hoping that others will feel sorry for him and vote someone else. (330, 763, 767 -which is refuted by pookythebear in 836 and 838-, 854 which is unbelievable, 857, etc.)
On his third and final layer he creates intrigue and confusion about his role, hoping others will become uncomfortable with the ambiguity behind his refusal to claim and move on to someone else. (894)
I had thought that his refusal to claim was just a playstyle oddity.
Though, it does seem like maybe it isn't as I thought.
VOTE: gera again.
Now, I'm confused though I am curious to hear gera's claim and work from there.-
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I am not.In post 1081, geraintm wrote:The slot is, I suspect, very happy with how things have gone this game
I would be fine if you refused to claim the first time but you're still refusing to claim.
I'm starting to think that you have some role that is rare for Town to have.-
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That was for my initial vote and I unvoted you for that.In post 1147, geraintm wrote:
Scoliosis decided I was scum. They haven't moved off that all day even though I have responded to all their jabs at me they have just ignored.In post 1135, Ydrasse wrote:because i dont get the point of the execution of how its done versus just like being lazy and out of the spotlight d1
(i dont even remember why gera got ran up atp)
Freedom literally had no reason.
Unwnd sheeped Iv
Pooky has ptsd
Dannflor just wanted a claim.
The wagon stank
Then, you refuse to claim.
So, no. I have a reason.
I want you to claim.-
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No.In post 1178, geraintm wrote:So freedom, any claim from me would be enough for you to unvote?
You are saying you are only voting for me because enough people voted for me that you think that should force a claim from a player?
But I would like to know what role you have, that'd you prefer to keep secret when it's clear that this game isn't like usual and claiming might actually be good for Town.-
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I feel like in this gamestate, scum is more likely than Town to withold their role.In post 1180, geraintm wrote:So, if my claim has no impact on if you vote for me or not, and i believe town roles should ntk be forced out of us in sequence by scum running up multiple wagons....you think I am going to give you anymore than I have done.
I still cannot understand why you are voting me. You agree you had no good reason yo vote for me, but you were happy to jump back on because I won't tell my role now? Do you think I am scum?
However, you did say that you found claiming bad for Town which seems NAI.
So, I want to know if you have some rare PR like the newly approved ones that are uncommon for Town to have and thus, if you were to claim, it might not sound believable.
And no, I don't think that you're stalling to have time to think of a fakeclaim because it wouldn't take this long.
It just seems like you want to avoid both trueclaiming and fakeclaiming.-
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Who's vv?In post 1189, Herta wrote:If Gera is scum shouldn't there be more pudding toward scoliosis and vv.-
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Not sure.In post 1196, Herta wrote:Do you think we should kill scolio then?
I would prefer gera claim, though.-
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Sell me on scum!Kitty.In post 1336, Scoliosis wrote:Here's a sneak peek of my reread of d1, in order from left = strong to right = weak
Town toto, iv, val,
Town lean unwnd, ydrasse, herta, freedom, dannflor,
Scum skitter, kt, pooky
I will vote whichever one of my scum reads will actually reach 7 votes. I think voting someone other than those three names might be a throw, unless I'm making another terrible mistake.
He seems all right to me.-
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I see.In post 1369, Scoliosis wrote:
In my opinion, kt was free to go either way with his read on me as of this post. It wasn't until skitter got herta to elaborate what he townreads kt for in 93 that kt decided he would stick with his tunnel on me, since he realized that would get him townread and require little effort.In post 24, KittyTacky wrote:
1. How so?In post 20, Scoliosis wrote:VOTE: val89
19 looks like a scum post to me.
I suspect Testarossa too for posting 17. By comparison, 6 doesn't include a vote so it isn't trying to blend.
2. It's not trying to blend... because it's by the IC.
IMO this kind of weird comment (2) is townish.
I think I get it now.-
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I'm conflicted.
That does feel scummy for Kitty in a vacuum but I could see him doing it as Town by coincidence.-
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I agree.In post 1409, innocentvillager wrote:I’m obviously conflicted on who’s scum and it seems like you’re not. Saying I’ve come close to “solving the game” feels like you know more than me. If you’re town I don’t know why in your right mind you would tell ME to be the one carrying. I’m just very concerned about the way you’re handling this day
Though, Scol could be overconfident and think that his solve is correct and people deviating from it makes them wrong.-
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I see.In post 1413, innocentvillager wrote:No that’s not really what I’m saying
If he’s an overconfident Townie that’s fine, that by itself isn’t necessarily sus?
I’m saying that the way he handled it by lol catting Pooky and then pandering to me with those posts is not the mindset that I think an overconfident Townie takes
I had missed those posts.-
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I don't really have a reliable way for reading Herta but he can be pretty obvscum as scum.In post 1451, Toto wrote:Anyone can explain how to read herta again and why he is town/scum here?
I can see town!herta thinking he is a lhf and and easy target to come for, so the skitter tunnel scum case makes sense from that pov. At the same time he is not contributing much to resolving the game which is scummy, but that seems to be his approach to the game as both town and mafia from the few games I could look into.
Also herta, if you are town, can you town up?-
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Because I was asked to tell if he was town/scum and I can't remember if Herta was lhf as Town and thus invalidating my scumtell for him.In post 1455, innocentvillager wrote:In post 1454, Freedom wrote:In other words, from what I know of scum!Herta, he tends to openwolf.
You just said he’s obvscum when scum but you don’t have a reliable way for reading himIn post 1453, Freedom wrote:
I don't really have a reliable way for reading Herta but he can be pretty obvscum as scum.In post 1451, Toto wrote:Anyone can explain how to read herta again and why he is town/scum here?
I can see town!herta thinking he is a lhf and and easy target to come for, so the skitter tunnel scum case makes sense from that pov. At the same time he is not contributing much to resolving the game which is scummy, but that seems to be his approach to the game as both town and mafia from the few games I could look into.
Also herta, if you are town, can you town up?
What are you saying here..?-
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That's a good observation.In post 1458, unwnd wrote:I actually was shocked that the votes he's gathered hasn't got him kicking and screaming more
That was why I wanted to focus on Herta, just didn't want to be yelled at lol
Scol seems more focused on Kitty opposed to the others voting him.-
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