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[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m Town.


Your Welcome.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oh it's finally up.

I'm a kitty. Meow.

And where is your vote?

I don't do RVS votes. On a day that's 7 days long, I likely

won't place a vote at all for at least the first 4 of them.

About the only exception I tend to make is for pressure votes on people who have like 2 useless posts in 2-3 days because making them talk is important.

Mind if I hold yeah to that?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey I haven’t played in a while. Checking in as vanilla town

I CC

[ProfessorDrapion]

Good morning

No U

[ProfessorDrapion]

I used to do gutty townreads and scumreads page 1 and they were almost always wrong

Alright then I’ll townread you and we will see if I’m wrong.

[ProfessorDrapion]

'Ello 'ello 'ello.....

God this game took ages to start, i was observing the Queue for ages waiting.

i think i recognise most of the people's names. i would suggest (from past experience) that if there is a cop type role in the game that Crescent gets checked night 1, they cannot be allowed as scum to get too far into the game.

I'll check in during the day, as I can. Just expect more from me at night!

Vampire confirmed, gotcha

Anyways, here we have gone from the 2nd to a 3rd

I’d say I’d probably have been the most dangerous wolf but luckily I’m Town.

(Although I wish I was mafia, wouldn’t have to god solve the game.)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Still not sure what the word scan means in this context

Investigate in the night phase

Hey do you got any reads so far, what are they?

[ProfessorDrapion]

It's very early for me to form any read yet...

Lol beat me to it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

[ProfessorDrapion]

How so?

LOL, okay, so what's your plan to solve this game?

I REALLY don’t like this.

VOTE: NJAC

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t really have one. I’m going to try and not get miseliminated. That’s really my only goal. Although I know that can’t win the game by itself, it’s my goal for the first couple days, at which point I hope to have gotten some idea who is scum er not.

Yeah, if you're town that alone won't help.

Have you tried several strategies to scum hunt before and failed?

Why does this better?
They can just play and do there best.
You are pushing stuff that isn’t AI your just talking about someone’s capabilities and how they play the game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

does this matter*

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

I entered the thread before you, in case you didn't notice. I'm already voting, btw.

What's wrong with my approach to Porkens?

OH
You changed your profile picture.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It’s not as bad as I initially thought then.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright.
My bad, just thought you came into the thread, read over stuff and starting going after someone I’m not a great way.
But it wasn’t your first post so it’s not taken the same way.

[ProfessorDrapion]

OH
You changed your profile picture.

What are you talking about? I have never changed my profile picture.

Then I guess I’m blind.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Or just dumb.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Cause if that’s the first thing someone chooses to do as they begin the game it doesn’t seem Townie to me and seems more agenda driven or trying to make fake content or rather content that could just become NAI.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But like aggressivlyish for no reason.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Eh.
So far all I see from NJAC is they seem to talk about someone’s play and whatnot.
“Newbie Scum”
“Not Newbie”

Idk, I’m really not feeling it.
Can be town but I’m not sure on that slot tbh.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Exactly what I was getting at Cres.
NJAC asks about stuff that is basically NAI rather it be play or some sort of “newbie” or “mechanical” talk.
And that’s what I was trying to say “it doesn’t bring us anywhere” cause it’s NAI the stuff they ask.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

You realize the dudes discussion is going nowhere right?
There was better things they could have said/asked Porkens.

I think your just jealous I used your color in that one post

[ProfessorDrapion]

Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

Sounds like someone’s setting up back to back Ml’s.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Nightmare scenario would be geraintm/crscent/malcom

This gets a vote
VOTE: galron

I don't particularly like that post either. It feels like it's intending to be solvey by putting a sort of grand, almost conspiratorial idea out there but it's also not saying much at the same time. I feel like I have a tendency to scumread Galron a lot early game though - maybe a style thing, but will keep an eye on their play.

Nah, it was a good post. If scum was me and Crescent and A N Other I think we would walk this game.

But you brown nosing my vote....VOTE: malcolm tucker

Don't understand your vote here, I like

Malcolm

's pov though...

i realise now i am not sure if Malcolm Tucker was saying "I don't like this post" about mine or Galron. when i first posted, i thought they were agreeing with me that Galron's was a poor post. I'm not so sure they meant that now.

so i voted Malcolm because i thought they were apparently joining me in saying Galron's post was poor.

I was saying I didn't particularly like Galron's post, you are correct there.

Sure, it'd be a nightmare scenario if the three of us were all scum together, but it seems very unlikely from early posting - certainly I feel like the way you/Crescent have played so far means you are unlikely to be aligned. "We should be careful of this player," without an actual scumread could hint at alignment but I don't think you'd be urging for a proper check if Crescent was a teammate.

I think you're town though. Your vote for me is misguided but it shows you're not just wanting to necessarily get town players onside when they're agreeing with you (or when they think they are at least).

then i am happy with my vote on you.

me and crescent can certainly be the same alignment - we can both be town. i know we are not both scum, and there is the chance that they could be scum - hence me wanting someone to check them over.

whilst i am thinking about it, i wouldnt mind being checked out too. no one ever does and so i always get to the end game with question marks over me.

Malcolm could be a wolf I suppose here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Kitty

How

is

a vote in 6 a relevant vote? I'll wait for Kitty's response to ask my next question.

I want him to feel some pressure. It's like an implicit message to him that I'm going to watch his play closely.

What's your next question?

From their current posts what is your thoughts?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Read-list : 01

Slight Townleans⇨

Wayward

: meta + vibe

NJAC

: meta + I can understand what they're coming from about

Porkens

.

Malcolm

: Get town vibes from 41 & 78.

Slight Scumleans⇨

Porkens

: Reason stated in 140.

Professor

: Their aggressive approach towards

NJAC

for going after

Porkens

doesn’t sit well with me. It almost seems like (to me) they

know

Porkens

is town

somehow. Also they kept trying to dismiss

NJAC

's approach towards

Porkens

by saying it’s completely NAI stuff (which isn’t, stated in 140 & 143) +

buddying attempt

with

Crescent

(142).
While writing this, I find

Professor

is more scummier than

Porkens

.

VOTE: Professor

Shiidaji

: (mostly based on vibe) got ping from 11 & 30 + don't understand their

Crescent

townread (74 ➤ where they mentioned 8 is a town response from

Crescent

but to me it’s a NAI stuff).

Rests are null for now.

You realize the dudes discussion is going nowhere right?
There was better things they could have said/asked Porkens.

I think your just jealous I used your color in that one post

Nah! I think you're just scum

Nah not this game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Porkens is probably town based on their posting so far. I can see scum occasionally opting for an "I'm clueless" type approach but they'd be overdoing it if scum here.

If

Professor

flips scum then it'll clear

Porkens

imo, but if

Professor

is town and

Porkens

will continue to play like this then I think it’s not impossible to play dumb townie as scum for them.

Sounds like someone’s setting up back to back Ml’s.

Or you can't READ.

I can read.
When I flip town you plan to vote Porkens next which could very well be another ML.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright, who has yet to wolf read the almighty Townie Drapion?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Let me sit nice in the PoE as I bring down wolves into it and get them out.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Salsa is a wolf I think based on thread, they have to be a wolf with one of NJAC/Malcolm.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Clearly someone doesn’t like my push :p

[ProfessorDrapion]

By someone I mean most people.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I have you know mafia if you don’t ml me today you never will cause I’ll bury you in the following days with a big grin on my face.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You don’t have to be a wolf to push back to back ML.
But you

Can

be a wolf with that agenda in mind.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If Salsa is a wolf I think based on thread, they have to be a wolf with one of NJAC/Malcolm.

Really? Scum!me is making

obvious association

with my partners instead of creating distance.... What a good player I am!

And you say I don’t read.
I said one of them.

In a 3 mafia game usually you buddy up and at least slightly protect one partner and distance from the other.

[ProfessorDrapion]

InB4 someone calls me and Salsa W/W.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You don’t have to be a wolf to push back to back ML.
But you

Can

be a wolf with that agenda in mind.

Where. Is. Your. Vote. Genius?

On the dude I’ve been pushing.

[ProfessorDrapion]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Why should they be voting me?
I’m not a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Oh I thought this was a 13 player game but this was an 11 player game.

Guess that also means Salsa might be town cause 3 mafia in an 11 player game is?
And they said “partners” indicating more then 1.
I mean it depends if we are all PR or not I guess but I think in an 11 player game 2 mafia and a traitor makes more sense then 3 group wolves.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I take back the Derp clear

[ProfessorDrapion]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

Hmm...

Galron-Professor

team can be plausible.

Shiidaji

goes to my null-list for now.

I like Professor Galron better but no.

Salsa automatically assuming for there to be only 2 wolves is concerning.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also as I said threadstate is Malcolm/NJAC would be wolves based on their treatment.
Salsa trying to imply I’m sharing Malcolm and ask where I wolf read them is lol.
I was comparing it to if they are a wolf.
Them trying to defend who is and isn’t wolf with them is lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Alright, who has yet to wolf read the almighty Townie Drapion?

Let me sit nice in the PoE as I bring down wolves into it and get them out.

Don't like these posts. Feels like it's just an attempt to shade the scumreads being made without actually really refuting them at all, instead the goal appears to be an attempt to link together players who suspect Drapion as possible scum.

I think mainly everyone wolf reads me?
Just trying to say I don’t really care about it tbh.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why exactly am I being suspected as a wolf though?
Should have asked this sooner lmao, or actually Y’know bothered to read cause I like to skip through stuff cause lazy.
I’m presuming it’s due to my push on someone of which people clearly don’t want any pressure on lmao.
That just doesn’t convince me to change my vote.

[ProfessorDrapion]

TBF people probably wolf read me due to how I post.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Guess you are unaware I struggle with communicating correctly and also have lack of attention.
Although the attention is due to ADHD.

[ProfessorDrapion]

When I communicate it can be misunderstood easily or I don’t have the correct context/words that can cause it to be twisted.
Sometimes I also don’t understand correctly either or what not.


But I shouldn’t give excuses cause Y’know one guy is gonna call it wolfy for whatever reason lmao

[ProfessorDrapion]

and that can cause it to be twisted*
Not having correct context/words*

[ProfessorDrapion]

The only person I trust this game is Cres cause he had the same view I did.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I should say the only person I trust so far*
Cause “Twister Runi”

[ProfessorDrapion]

Lol
Don’t read anyone who votes against me for anything, I'm an obvious town ML here my flip doesn’t mean Jack shit.

But here’s what you do need to look at, see if anyone 180’s on me during my last moments or says “actually he could be town”
Wolves tend to do that more often then town cause wolves don’t want to look bad after a town flip.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I can’t tell if I’m bad to execute day 1 or not.
I don’t think I’m a horrible ML, I am a backup of a powerful PR but it’s whatever.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean if mafia kills me and then the actual doctor, we have a very low chance of winning so as I said watch carefully on how people treat me.


There will be prospective differences. Mafia will treat it as they know I’ll flip town.
I am the prospective master and great alignment solver take it from me.
I can tell when someone’s prospective isn’t of towns.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Lol
Don’t read anyone who votes against me for anything, I'm an obvious town ML here my flip doesn’t mean Jack shit.

But here’s what you do need to look at, see if anyone 180’s on me during my last moments or says “actually he could be town”
Wolves tend to do that more often then town cause wolves don’t want to look bad after a town flip.

You have

two

votes on you, and the majority of the game has not actually called you scum at any point.

Again, this is a completely out of touch stance to take. It feels like grandstanding. There's no attempt to solve here.

That’s false, everyone has wolf read me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Your the only person I can confidently say is town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But no seriously dude look at everyone who stated reads.
No one doesn’t wolf read me and I’m town so it’s sad lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Drapion is giving a lot of one liners that seem easy to manufacture and I don't see them going anywhere so slight scum lean right now.

I don’t know if it’s all that great. What if you are town reading scum, don’t you risk spreading that misconception to others? What if scum uses it as a way to plant town seeds on their members?

You are not a newbie, as far as I can tell, why do you keep asking questions about typical mechanics of the game?

You choose to enter the thread saying this?
Have anything else to add?
Rather then trying to pick on Porkens like that and not even in a good way.

Slight scumlean on Drapion for this and the posts which followed afterwards. This is a bit of a reach. I think it's perfectly valid when trying to suss out other players to ask/question why someone who's been on the site for a long time didn't appear to be clear about game mechanics as such. Porkens' reply was fine but it's useful info for us to have.

Vote: Drapion

For those who struggle to read like I do ^^

[ProfessorDrapion]

Your the only person I can confidently say is town.

Yeah and why exactly?

Because the reason you just gave in 248 was awful.

Not to me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The only person I trust this game is Cres cause he had the same view I did.

Technically you could argue it isn’t super strong since a wolf pocketed me from it before but I do think the mindset is Rand!Town and enough for me to trust you.

[ProfessorDrapion]

False.
I just do things my own way.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Fuck in my previous game I Vig shot both the wolves

[ProfessorDrapion]

In this game I didn’t really care a whole lot who we executed as long as it wasn’t me so I could just shoot the remaining mafia.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89703

[ProfessorDrapion]

Everyone who has given reads yeah.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Why do I need to respond to 257?
I’ll have to take a look back to give you examples to answer your question in 121 but I’m lazy and will probably do it later zzzz
As for 256 “threadstate” and kinda have a vibe read on them that doesn’t mean much but think it can mean they can be a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

The only person I trust this game is Cres cause he had the same view I did.

You think me stating that I trust you the most is me pocketing you?
Lmao.
No it just means that I either think other players are wolfy or null and your the only person I have a town read on.

[ProfessorDrapion]

In this game I didn’t really care a whole lot who we executed as long as it wasn’t me so I could just shoot the remaining mafia.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=89703

Would you guys like to ISO my previous game where I carried town from Vig shots.
(TBF I don’t actually know what would have happened if they weren’t shot.)

[ProfessorDrapion]

^
Therefore town could have still won but I made the game go faster
Brrrrrr

[ProfessorDrapion]

claiming that TR for such a loose reasoning is pretty much the definition of pocketing.

Thinking with a town perspective isn’t a loose reasoning.

[ProfessorDrapion]

This weird bravado is a little scummy IMO.

Yay another scum read.
Everyone thinks I’m wolf cause people don’t understand the way I post.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I have a tinfoil theory. It's Professor and Porkens. (Assuming scum) Professor took a lot of time to defend Porkens. Porkens' "gut" vote on me is an attempt to start a different wagon.

It may be thin, but I see it.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

That’s super dumb.
I am town here.

But I’m ok with dying for the record.

[ProfessorDrapion]

In case it's not clear I think Salsa is town now

Galron should really be voting Drapion right now

LEt's see where it goes. I get the impression Drapion is a gunslinger so I'll give some room.

What did you mean here with "gunslinger" and why did you say that?

Hmm it might be an excuse to not vote me, good catch.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Good be wolf with a perspective that knows I am town.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Clearly I basically am giving wolves such an easy ML here lol.
I swear it’s not on purpose!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I mean if mafia kills me and then the actual doctor, we have a very low chance of winning so as I said watch carefully on how people treat me.

.

i have no idea what this post is, but i dont like it.

But your not gonna state you wolf read it just that you don’t like it?

[ProfessorDrapion]

@salsa

I random voted someone

Malcolm comes in shortly after, not realising it was random, and start going "good point, I too found them sus"

Buddying up like that I don't like

That’s actually a good point tbh.
Actually like a good reason and not the “oh town meta” or or “really good production of content” like I see in half the FM games that people think are worth a damn but usually just null.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah, Salsa can go to my town list.

I'm having a hard time getting a proper read on Professor, but I'm not sure if his erratic behavior is coming from scum.

I think Kitty is at least trying, compared to Newbie 2100, so I feel I can unvote him for now.

I need to reread, meanwhile I'm just going to sheep Salsa:

VOTE: Galron

Why?
What makes you change your read on me?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Do you think Galron clears Wayward upon wolf flip?
That would be handy.
Thoughts?

[ProfessorDrapion]

@ Malcolm I get the feeling you know I'm wrong on PD, and are throwing shade at the wagon while slightly supporting it. Town read sliding south.

Yeah tbh I’m actually thinking you guys might just be TvW but I’m not sure if I want to lock that solve in yet.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If your asking why you.
You were also the last to place your vote on me and can be a wolf taking advantage of an easy ML.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Do you think Galron clears Wayward upon wolf flip?

Do you feel Galron will flip scum? Why? How would that clear me?

Maybe Wolf.
Their push on you with Porkens is why I’m saying it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Lol

Don’t read anyone who votes against me for anything

, I'm an obvious town ML here my flip doesn’t mean Jack shit.

But here’s what you do need to look at, see if anyone 180’s on me during my last moments or says “actually he could be town”
Wolves tend to do that more often then town cause wolves don’t want to look bad after a town flip.

It's all you've been doing. Of course you've said Crescent is your only Town read, but you seem to only suss those who've sussed you. I don't like the way you keep saying your (misslim) makes sense, but then only (hunting) from within it.

Ok buddy first off all my town read does wolf read me.
Second thing is yes multiple people offsite say I have the tendency to happen to wolf read players that push me but I have my reasons.

[ProfessorDrapion]

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/flicke ... again/3225

Here’s a game for reference.
Neon was the one saying it, I am Zorvo on that site.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Do you think Galron clears Wayward upon wolf flip?
That would be handy.
Thoughts?

Galron's vote on him was an RVS vote, and he has never at any point mentioned him since. The vote there doesn't really say anything.

But... Actually reading Galron's ISO, there.. Isn't much there at all. I'm not sure how much if anything in this ISO actually qualifies as game-progressing content.

I mean there was his wolf read on me but yeah I get yeah.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It is kinda sus that the only game related content Galron made was about me?
Is that correct or did they state a read on someone else let me check.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm not sure I get what geraintm is doing -- I think the vote on me was a reaction test not for me but for others? Regardless there seems to be a process there and even if I don't understand it I can respect it. So that's worth an early town read.

I also see some kind of process with njac, although less substantive I guess. But I think it's slightly townie.

Nah they have made another read, it isn’t that bad.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah, Salsa can go to my town list.

I'm having a hard time getting a proper read on Professor, but I'm not sure if his erratic behavior is coming from scum.

I think Kitty is at least trying, compared to Newbie 2100, so I feel I can unvote him for now.

I need to reread, meanwhile I'm just going to sheep Salsa:

VOTE: Galron

Why?
What makes you change your read on me?

As I said I'm not sure if your erratic behavior is coming from scum. And I can see a scenario in which you are town and scum are joining your wagon for an easy mislim.

So I'm leaning to think you're dumb but probably not scum.

Alright well what is your thoughts on Wayward?

[ProfessorDrapion]

His play in this game kind of remind me his play in Newbie 2100. But I haven't seen anything particularly alignment indicative besides that. I'd say null for now.

You don’t think he was “joining my wagon for an easy ml”?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I didn’t say he was town.

They

Idk if this is about me but if it is, you can call me whatever.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I have a tinfoil theory. It's Professor and Porkens. (Assuming scum) Professor took a lot of time to defend Porkens. Porkens' "gut" vote on me is an attempt to start a different wagon.

It may be thin, but I see it.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

That’s super dumb.
I am town here.

But I’m ok with dying for the record.

Isn't "fine, kill me" a scumtell?

Don’t think so but I never said “fine, kill me”
I said “IDRC if I do die I’m fine with it.”

[ProfessorDrapion]

There’s a difference between the two.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’d like to wait a little bit longer but the reads I have stated before are still intact.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Drapion there's a question for you in my wall that's a little drowned in the middle I'll repost it for everyone's sake

I can’t tell if I’m bad to execute day 1 or not.
I don’t think I’m a horrible ML, I am a backup of a powerful PR but it’s whatever.

I mean if mafia kills me and then the actual doctor, we have a very low chance of winning so as I said watch carefully on how people treat me.


There will be prospective differences. Mafia will treat it as they know I’ll flip town.
I am the prospective master and great alignment solver take it from me.
I can tell when someone’s prospective isn’t of towns.

Describe your thought process in the three minutes between these posts that made you go from "I should leak that I'm a PR early" to "I should tell them my full role"

I’ll be honest, I didn’t really care.
I just gave you a heads up and how to handle the situation afterwards.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Okay. Who should we lim today then? Imagine you get two vig shots to play with again.

NJAC and Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Wayward Son

[ProfessorDrapion]

I still like my solve (NJAC and Wayward)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Maybe Malcolm and Gera are both town.
I mean if my current thoughts are accurate and solve then they are.

[ProfessorDrapion]

OK, but what in his ISO makes you feel Town him is a possibility? Serious question.

The way he entered the game and the way he's gone about "arguing" you suggests awful town to me more than it suggests scum, but I don't strongly read him in any particular direction (I also think he missed the mark with pointing out what in your ISO looked bad), and I would not seriously oppose voting him as he hasn't actually sold me he's an asset even if he is town.

Like, for example, NM was referenced earlier in this game. I would vote NM in a second if I got stuck in a game with him in a game, because I think he's anti-town no matter what the alignment of his role says.

I gotta get to Synagogue though.

I’m not anti town although I’m aware I’m not being super aggressive like I can be.
I gave my solve though so take it as you will.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@ Professor My tinfoil may be flimsy, but yours is too. As far as I can tell your scum read on NJAC has to do with the way he went about questioning Porkens. I know you're at least 50% wrong, and I'm guessing 100% wrong.

There was more to it that pinged me but I haven’t been paying a whole lot of attention to this game so I forget and would have to look back or maybe check my iso or something lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa/Wayward/NJAC I don’t think is all town IMO.

[ProfessorDrapion]

See I always go by “actions speak louder then words”
IDRC how wolfy someone posts or how Townie someone posts cause 9/10 times it’s NAI.
I look at other stuff like how you do it, when you do it, reaction, choices, etc.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm willing to vote Galron, Porkens and Geraint atm.

Idk that just seems like “I’ll pick the worst posters” kinda thing.
My solve is better.

[ProfessorDrapion]

T
ProfessorDrapion
Crescent
Porkens
geraintm
MalcolmTucker
KittyTacky
Galron
Salsabil Faria
Shiidaji
Wayward Son
NJAC
W

This would probably be where I stand.
Upon a bit more evaluation on Malcolm, Gera and Them might just be TvT.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Kitty (-) Shii order can vary.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually no Shii is fine where they are I think.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

I’ll give you one better.
Other then Malcolm, do you have any suspicions on other players and if so whom?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Actually fuck it.
NJAC can go up by one.
I need something more solid from them then the Pooky interaction.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Porkens*

[ProfessorDrapion]

I am Town so you Got It!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I usually have really good reads as I make reads in a more accurate way.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think I’m pretty damn confident Malcolm Up is Town.
Need to figure out the Kitty Down.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

Posts like these. I didn't see how a Townie missed the claim. When he misunderstood and thought a post was about him. Mainly these things.

Didn’t NJAC ping Gera?
Lmao.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Galron's wagon is all Town.

Mine, ehh.

Malcolm's vote maybe scum.

I don’t.
From where I’m standing all of them are likely partners with you.

[ProfessorDrapion]

At least one. I'd never swear Kitty was Town.

Just to be clear, I think Galron can be scum, Kitty

maybe

.

If you think the wolves aren’t voting you would have to think this thread has zero wolf agenda control.
I don’t believe that, I think there is wolf agenda in this thread.
So your wrong or your wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Conftown: Professor (as no cc yet)

He claimed a backup Doctor, I don't see a cc coming. It sounds to me like an easy thing to fake claim.

Yeah, possible.... I usually get cold feet to eliminate someone who claim any role, in D1 specially. On the other hand, scum won't keep a TPR alive, so their claim will be cleared in D2 eventually.

Not necessarily D2!! but if it's a fakeclaim it could be disproved in multiple ways down the line so we table it for now

agree with this. early claims by scum just get exposed, they get trapped in their lies or else scum will get rid of them

@geraintm

, do you have any read other than

Malcolm

atm?

Honestly, right now I am on my phone and so no. I would need to iso people to remember who said what.

The person who claimed back up doc I have as either scum or bad town, but that would be sorted later so I'm happy to leave that slot. The rest of you....I haven't been paying enough attention to votes to see who I really think has been acting poorly. But it is day 1 and so nothing means anything until we get information overnight

I’m not a bad town I just do whatever I feel like doing and read people the most accurate I can.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

Their ISO is my case.

Don’t be lazy.

I have another scumread I’ll keep in my pocket for now.

You're kidding right? You should be the last person to call me

LAZY

! I'm on vacation but still posting & what are you doing?? Asking others to make a case for you on whom YOU scumread!!

I don’t know how this person town!

I don’t know why you think this is immediately jumping wolf behaviour.

They do got a point actually, they aren’t a strong player they aren’t someone who can do all that as an easy pace but YOU can, everyone has specific expectations and YOURS is on a higher scale so yes you should be doing it and yes I think your lazy for not doing so because unlike Porkens your a player that shouldn’t be lazy.

If I knew any better I’d say your a wolf with Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah Kitty went up and I’m pretty confident about my Townreads:

Gera, Malcolm, Kitty, Porkens, Crest are all town.
My PoE is the rest.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t oppose to a Galron execution but I don’t think he’s a hit.
As I said I think there is wolf agenda in thread and Wayward can easily possess that with their partner.
Even if they are town, they are not seeing the wolf agenda and for some reason think the thread is being town lead which I quite honestly do not see.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

[ProfessorDrapion]

+11

Also, on my homesite (I’ll call it my own site since I go on it the most) it’s more common for mafia to get executed day 1 allot more then town but mafia seems to also win more games with a mafia execution on day 1 for some reason.
So I don’t think you should alway worry about town or mafia going over but rather vote the person who might provide us and help us with the most info or potential spew coming into day 2.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Home Site*
Not Own Site lol I don’t own any site but I might own a mafia site one day who knows.

[ProfessorDrapion]

They legendary “Seththeking” owner a site.
Imagine.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t oppose to a Galron execution but I don’t think he’s a hit.
As I said I think there is wolf agenda in thread and Wayward can easily possess that with their partner.
Even if they are town, they are not seeing the wolf agenda and

for some reason think the thread is being town lead

which I quite honestly do not see.

Is that potentially a bit of a slip perhaps? There's only a handful of people who, after all, can definitively know whether town are dominating the thread or not.

Well the non voters aren’t leading the thread and if they think the non-voters are mafia then the only ones leading the thread as a result are town aligned.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

Umm.... where did I say that??

I could have confused you with someone else but let me double check.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah sorry must’ve misread

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’ll restate my reads.
My Towns: Cres, Porkens, Kitty, Gera and Malcolm
My PoE: Shiji, Salsa, Wayward, Galron and RJAC
Probably least confident in Salsa.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I mean it could just be pocket paranoia as they aren’t wrong that a wolf will purposely follow a vote from someone.
Usually if it is TvT vote.
That’s why I see what they were getting at and wolf read you myself but after reading some of your posts I no longer believe you to be a wolf but you are my weakest town read in par with Kitty.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I still believe you and Kitty to be more town then Salsa though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Which is my weakest wolf read.

[ProfessorDrapion]

But it’s more PoE then anything.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@Salsa
If your town I highly suggest re-evaluating on a Galron!Town flip.

I mean I'll definitely re-evaluate if my scumread flip green or townread flip red.
Do you think

Galron

v

Wayward

is TvS?

I think it’s definitely possible yeah.

[ProfessorDrapion]

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

Yeah Galron will tell us allot from their flip.
They should always be the execution today.

Even though I strongly believe Wayward is the wolf, Galron execution should make things more clear in regards to where wolves were/are.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@ scum Please don't put me and Professor in the Dead thread at the same time! It might start a war! (Joke)

@ Crescent I was talking about Porkens scum game as per NJAC's question to Galron.

Why would it start a war?
I take it you do indeed think wolves don’t have any thread control?
I stated my take on how I think that ain’t true.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Sorry Wayward no one’s gonna call us TvT, your quite wolfy and I believe you to be a wolf.
I’m not fanatic either cause my early posts were kinda “whatever” not great but the way I see it this me and you think is some wolf gambit your trying to play on.

[ProfessorDrapion]

You seem to push "competent" players as deep wolves

, and I often don't agree with any of your reasons. It's like we're reading two different games. I'll worry about "deep wolves" Tomorrow (if still here).

I'd love to flip now, just to see what you'd do then. This is only a game, I do it for enjoyment and I'm guessing you do too. If you are Town, I wouldn't mind you eating a little humble pie.

Elaborate on

Bolded

I don’t understand what your saying.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If I haven’t made it clear already I don’t read players the same way others do I use a more accurate method.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

i dont think you should consolodate on galron, i think it is going to end in a green flip.
i also think any sudden swing to another wagon right now is going to flail to another green flip.

it is kinda like i think any elimination today is just going to end up with us one down

Eh it’s to the point we just need to hit the most optimal that can give us something from whichever way they flip and Galron gives us that.

What’s your read on Wayward?

[ProfessorDrapion]

If I haven’t made it clear already I don’t read players the same way others do I use a more accurate method.

Lol Grandstanding. I think my flip may be useful at any time. I have lots of interaction and pretty much everyone has an opinion of me. Plus, I'd get to watch you eat your words.

My words of how I read people?

[ProfessorDrapion]

You seem to push "competent" players as deep wolves

, and I often don't agree with any of your reasons. It's like we're reading two different games. I'll worry about "deep wolves" Tomorrow (if still here).

I'd love to flip now, just to see what you'd do then. This is only a game, I do it for enjoyment and I'm guessing you do too. If you are Town, I wouldn't mind you eating a little humble pie.

Elaborate on

Bolded

I don’t understand what your saying.

Those who are

actually

trying to solve (in my opinion). That should be clear.

pedits @ geraint You never seem to know what's been going on in the thread, you can't be bothered to have an opinion, your hard tunnel on Malcolm, etc. I don't see any reason to Town read you.

Ok but where and how am I talking about deep wolves? Lmao.
Just because your reads are different then mine doesn’t mean your town reads are deep wolves when I accuse them XD.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Your whole statement. Your method is more accurate than everyone else's? Cause it's "different". I'm not seeing it.

pedit You're gonna make me dig through your ISO, to prove it? you refer to slots as wolf a lot.

Already explained why.
Post #506

You were in the thread at the time, can’t say you didn’t see it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

See I always go by “actions speak louder then words”
IDRC

how wolfy someone posts or how Townie someone posts cause 9/10 times it’s NAI.

I look at other stuff like how you do it, when you do it, reaction, choices, etc.

How is any of the thing you mentioned "special". It sounds like what all Townies should be doing.

Do me a favor, for the rest of the Day, spell out your case to everyone else. This is getting nowhere.

I won’t do you no favours, I don’t take orders from people I do my thing and I flow through it.

“Sounds like what all Townies should be doing” not true,

Bolded

states what I’ve seen townies do.
It’s funny how you are saying and denying this but are providing no elaboration on the matter like your purposely trying to discredit me.

Why don’t you (in your own words) tell me how you as a Townie, reads someone.

[ProfessorDrapion]

^ until you tell me how you read as Town!You there’s no point in continuing this discussion.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Prediction From here on out, while I'm alive, I'll never ever vote Crescent. lol

Pocket attempt. I pocket you!

I'm on an after-dinner cig, and I've been drinking. Pardon the interruption

wayward
Someone wayward is a little stubborn and independent — they're determined to find their own way and are not easily controlled. Being wayward can mean a few things, but they all have something to do with doing your own thing — often, going against what others want you to do. A rebellious student is wayward.

.

You might pocket them

wolf

but I the

town

have found them before you went to pocket them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Galron is a fine vote we don’t need to vote Gera.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Still looking through but here’s some stuff on Wayward

118 makes me think the Professor lawyered up!

This post might mean something, I’ll have it reshown. Probably just Null but I’ll bring it up.

118 makes me think the Professor lawyered up!

Crescent, Geraintm, Malcolm, and Salsabil are my Town leans atm.

Lottsa Pedits Well, I'm here to find scum, so I hope to be "in the thick of it" (scum hunting) soon!

Another Pedit, nothing to say.

Professor, Porkens. OMGUS I guess.

Galron, and maybe Malcolm.

These are my best guesses.

Gera and Malcolm was Wayward town reads but now they aren’t.
This player is inconsistent.

118 makes me think the Professor lawyered up!

Crescent, Geraintm, Malcolm, and Salsabil are my Town leans atm.

Lottsa Pedits Well, I'm here to find scum, so I hope to be "in the thick of it" (scum hunting) soon!

Another Pedit, nothing to say.

Professor, Porkens. OMGUS I guess.

Galron, and maybe Malcolm.

These are my best guesses.

See I always go by “actions speak louder then words”
IDRC how wolfy someone posts or how Townie someone posts cause 9/10 times it’s NAI.
I look at other stuff like how you do it, when you do it, reaction, choices, etc.

You may be Town, but this post doesn't mean much. I still think your solve is all wrong.

Notice how they say “may be” rather then “maybe” there is actually a big difference in meaning with this word difference.
“Maybe” implies that it’s just a probability and if.
“May be” implies you are this but (blank)
Wolf TMI?

Example:
The Moon is Maybe White but I know I can walk on it
The Moon is may be white but I know I can walk on it

Maybe = could be white
May be = it is but

[ProfessorDrapion]

lol I clearly quote failed on that lol.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If I counted right that's 4 votes on Professor atm.

The ONLY thing stopping me from riding the Day out with a vote on Professor is his claim. IF we're both Town, we'll never be able to work together. We seem to disagree on

everything

, and that doesn't feel natural. No Town bloc there.

VOTE: Galron

I have a tinfoil theory. It's Professor and Porkens. (Assuming scum) Professor took a lot of time to defend Porkens. Porkens' "gut" vote on me is an attempt to start a different wagon.

It may be thin, but I see it.
VOTE: ProfessorDrapion

Look at these two votes.
It seems they are only voting for a high picked up wagon.
The only exception to this was their recent vote on Gera but that is ironically their worst vote.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Galron's wagon is all Town.

Mine, ehh.

Malcolm's vote maybe scum.

Idk maybe this guy uses words wrongly but this seems to me like they are saying Malcolm voted rather then saying “The vote on Malcolm maybe scum.”

Votecount 1.9

Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - rockstar

(2017)

Commentary: This was one of the main songs of the late 2010s hip-hop/trap trend. In spite of the mixed ratings, it was quite successful commercially.

Galron

(3): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji

Wayward Son

(2): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Crescent, Wayward Son, Galron, KittyTacky

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-19 10:24:00).

Salsabil Faria

is on V/LA until today.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Galron is a fine vote we don’t need to vote Gera.

Quick chime in but this is nonsense coming from someone who's been on the counterwagon to Galron for ages, especially given you immediately followed it up by continuing to attack said countertrain.

It isn’t nonsense as I’ve stated prior thoughts to that previously:

And for the record it has all the makings of scum getting pressure and then lurking to try to wait it out. Galron has had 3 votes for about 50 hours. In this span, he has just 8 posts. There's been some very light shade at Malcolm, and... Really nothing else. He has made zero attempt to do anything towards the train on him, just some "pst pst hey look at Malcolm" followed by nothing.

Yeah Galron will tell us allot from their flip.
They should always be the execution today.

Even though I strongly believe Wayward is the wolf, Galron execution should make things more clear in regards to where wolves were/are.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Hey it was even you I responded to!!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I haven't gotten there yet. Why do you think I'm caught up when I'm obviously not?

I saw you quote 678 and didn't notice you were quoting yourself.

Run me through this a bit more?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Interesting way on town reading someone.
Could you provide examples?

[ProfessorDrapion]

That was a joke if it wasn’t obvious cause I want the question answered.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I strongly believe ger is town.

Same.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Do you have reads outside of Malcolm? Can you talk about Salsa?

I think Salsa is probably town just based on the colored font thing which occurred to me earlier today when I was thinking about this game.

I don't particularly care for Wayward Son or porkens postings and lean scum on them.

Most everyone is null really.

Prof said not to do a 180 on him or he'll scum read it but I think I'm headed there

Is it weird I find this Townie that you brought this up.

[ProfessorDrapion]

This caught my eye as a bit of an odd post - I believe Wayward TR'd me early on, they then hint I could be scum, but quickly back away from the possibility once they're asked to provide reasoning for it.

Beside that "spat", what should I be reading you scum from? Our earlier misunderstanding? No. I'm thinking you're Town.

How about a crappy readslist that you just threw in a town.


Yeah actually I changed my mind.
This flip helps us more.

Wayward!Wolf just straight up clears Galron and Malcolm and maybe even Gera.

We basically auto win this game if Wayward is a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm thinking Wayward and not porkens was driving at something with that post and I think it was to set me up for something.

VOTE: Wayward

They are the counter wagon which makes sense if we're not tvt wagons.

I don't think porkens is a red flip on a green wayward flip though.

It's... Really straightforward.

I saw he quoted post 678 in my quick glance over, which indicated to me he was current before he made his "stepping away" or whatever it was. What I didn't notice is post 678 was his own post. It's not exactly common that someone quotes themselves.

I mean I totally get the fact you glanced over and noticed the post number I do I do but like,
The “Vote Wayward” is Bolded and even I a person who also likes to glance over stuff sometimes can actually notice something like that clearly.
So that’s where my confusion comes from it’s like how did you miss the Bolded vote text?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I strongly believe ger is town.

And I strongly believe the opposite.

If you think he's town, make an actual counterargument.

This is quickly reminding me of 2273 where I am one of the only people actually making an argument.

I kinda get what the dude was saying about “fear town will be executed and push who you believe is wolf the most that way if the wagon your on goes through your more confident in it” (even though I think he’s voting town)
Plus I don’t really see any agenda from the slot I’m getting village vibes from it,

I’m not going to provide a counterargument to your argument and I’ll be honest I skimmed over most of it but what I will do is provide my own which is what I have stated in the following above, not to mention I also feel this doesn’t give us as much info as let’s say Galron and Wayward however my main issue is I’m not sure if Galron is a wolf anymore because their recent posts do seem pretty genuine so as it stands I would like to ask you to take a look into Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

i dont think you should consolodate on galron, i think it is going to end in a green flip.
i also think any sudden swing to another wagon right now is going to flail to another green flip.

it is kinda like i think any elimination today is just going to end up with us one down

Again, weird post, town is uninformed, there's only one alignment that can particularly confidently say this. There are multiple scum in the game, our job is to identify them.

It’s not necessarily a weird post if they believe wolf is having strong agenda today which me personally happen to believe to be true.
Like the way the executions are going is like.
Me then Galron and then Them.
I know I’m town, if they are town they know they are town and Galron they currently town read and I’m starting to come to that as well.

Like tbh Wayward’s positioning is really bad because they have been on

ALL

town wagons.
Id like to see Wayward start pushing someone of their own accord and not just keep joining other wagons.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Votecount 1.10

Billie Eilish - bad guy

(2019)

Commentary: Apparently this is the kind of vibe Gen Z-ers like. The Billie Eilish dark vibe. I'm more neutral on her as Billie Eilish always felt to me like an industry plant.

Galron

(4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker

Wayward Son

(3): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron

geraintm

(2): Wayward Son, Crescent

MalcolmTucker

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(1): KittyTacky

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-19 10:24:00).

@Gera

Vote Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Crescent's case on Gera is solid. Their contradictions here do not make sense as town. Moving my vote before going to sleep.

VOTE: Geraintm

You thought the opposite previously.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I've seen Gera do this no elimination on D1 thing before but my issue at the moment is they weren't particularly bothered about it early on and appeared to be genuinely scumhunting, whereas now they seriously want to avoid us voting while we look to consolidate on Galron's wagon.

Given the short period of time we have left I think I'm content vote here. But town should obviously be careful as we'll be approaching hammer soon, think my vote is the 4th.

VOTE: Galron

It could also be that they just really want you execution.

It could be and I believe Gera has approached the game this way as town before (certainly the no lim D1 thing has come from them as town), but their logic and read on me feels inconsistent and forced, and it came directly in response to me disliking Galron's post early on.

I am amused that people are assigning scum motivation to all my actions.

On day 1. Which I 99% think is useless. You arenjust lucky I didn't do "vote longest wagon" plan.
But I guess identifying people trying to push me out today will be useful later.

This is again actually consistent with town Gera I've seen before, even though it initially reads quite anti-town, but I shall point out Gera is doing the exact same thing with me!

I was going to say “what happened with this” but then I read the whole post at the top here.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Even though I explained how town does that allot more then wolf does that.
Or at least from what I seen and what I do, town is allot more likely to push someone who was trying to vote with them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

'Cause I'm skimming. Like, I only actually read a fraction of your last post and my time for now is about to run out.

Gera flipping scum townclears 3 people and makes 2 others look good. Also practically townconfirms me to Boot. I'd call that a lot of info.

But here's a question: If Galron and Gera are town, why does scum Wayward jump so quickly in the first place? What's his motive for drawing potential scrutiny?

He doesn’t care.
He has been a wagon for ages and as long as it isn’t him he is fine with it.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Clearly their partner hasn’t even been pushed yet or at least not enough.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also @Cres
What are the 3 that gets clear and the 2 that look good?

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Crescent's case on Gera is solid. Their contradictions here do not make sense as town. Moving my vote before going to sleep.

VOTE: Geraintm

That’s a scummy fucking vote.

Why?

And what's so special about Gera's first post that makes him town?

VOTE: geraintm

This is worth pursuing.

This is also a bad vote.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’d like to hear Cres a bit more before y’all fucking doggy pile execute on the likely town yeah?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Um, so I might have a bit of a problem brewing. It was roughly 11:30 when I got to bed I didn't feel quite right. At 12:30 I woke up tremoring with a pretty high fever. I've managed to slowly get my temperature to settle back down a bit (the tremoring has turned more into twitching now) but I don't know if this is just my body totally spazzing out for a night when I'm exhausted or if this is only a portent for things to come. Light isn't bothering my eyes as much as it was so I felt the game deserved an update in case I fall off a proverbial cliff, but I'm not stopping to read anything right now.

This isn’t

Also @Cres
What are the 3 that gets clear and the 2 that look good?

[ProfessorDrapion]

OK, but what in his ISO makes you feel Town him is a possibility? Serious question.

The way he entered the game and the way he's gone about "arguing" you suggests awful town to me more than it suggests scum, but I don't strongly read him in any particular direction (I also think he missed the mark with pointing out what in your ISO looked bad), and I would not seriously oppose voting him as he hasn't actually sold me he's an asset even if he is town.

Like, for example, NM was referenced earlier in this game. I would vote NM in a second if I got stuck in a game with him in a game, because I think he's anti-town no matter what the alignment of his role says.

I gotta get to Synagogue though.

I’m not anti town although I’m aware I’m not being super aggressive like I can be.
I gave my solve though so take it as you will.

You keep seeing things that aren't there. That post of Crescent was clearly not about you. The main problem I have with this is that I'm leaning to think you're town, but your play is lazy, and if you're truly town it would be nice if you double read.

Anyway. I quote this post because you said you can be super aggressive, and I think this game might benefit from that, so I would like to see your aggressive play.

Drapion do you think scum NJAC takes this approach towards you here? I don't, really!!

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

That's kinda how Malcolm plays as town. A bit wishy-washy.

Irrespective of Malcolm's alignment this post makes me lean Kitty town, I don't think scum would ever admit an out to someone for being wishy-washy, it's too good ammunition later down the line to push for a ML.

Your treatment on NJAC you’ve been consistently doing looks potential w/w to me, maybe the case if I'm wrong on Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

UNVOTE: Galron

Need some time.... I think I found something

If it’s about Wayward, NJAC or Shiji, I’ll push with you on them.

(Although if you push Wayward I can’t really push more then I already am.)
(Also, my vote is like probably staying on Wayward unless you can provide a stronger reasons for one of the other two.)

[ProfessorDrapion]

Your treatment on NJAC you’ve been consistently doing looks potential w/w to me, maybe the case if I'm wrong on Wayward.

I think I can see where you're coming from from what I remember of my interactions with NJAC today. You'll come around though

I’ll hold yeah to it then.
If your town I’m hoping to except you to town tell.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Expect*

[ProfessorDrapion]

Salsa you beat me to it I've been having Crescent-Wayward in the back of my mind as a potential team for a bit and I'm glad someone else might feel the same way. Though posts like 438 that show them interacting are what make me doubt it since I feel like scum wayward might not slot buddy Cres in as town there + Cres's questioning the TR feels town.

UNVOTE: Gal consider this a vote for wayward, I'll follow up in the morning since I don't know what the count's at rn

Yeah as I said before, it’s more likely Wayward was trying to pocket Cres rather then sheeping their partner.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I believe(ish) Professor is Town, but I have zero desire to work with him. I guess I'm a bad (

fill in your blank

).

Still drunk. Weekends happen.

Wolf

[ProfessorDrapion]

Um, so I might have a bit of a problem brewing. It was roughly 11:30 when I got to bed I didn't feel quite right. At 12:30 I woke up tremoring with a pretty high fever. I've managed to slowly get my temperature to settle back down a bit (the tremoring has turned more into twitching now) but I don't know if this is just my body totally spazzing out for a night when I'm exhausted or if this is only a portent for things to come. Light isn't bothering my eyes as much as it was so I felt the game deserved an update in case I fall off a proverbial cliff, but I'm not stopping to read anything right now.

This isn’t

Also @Cres
What are the 3 that gets clear and the 2 that look good?

You know I probably should have read Cres’s post lol.
I skimmed through it sorry.
Guess I just really wanted that question answered

[ProfessorDrapion]

Gera is always anti-town day 1 even if they're not scum.

I've pointed this out myself but it doesn't stop them from ultimately being scum.

That’s true but I just think from how everything is they are town.
I think your interactions was more likely TvT then not.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If you are a PR and die while claiming "town" I will be very sad.

We'll see. I kinda, sorta think you're Town.

“Kinda”
“Sorta”

This dude also doesn’t respond to my arguments against him because he’s caught wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'd guess Malcolm might be on to something. Yeah, I'm Town.

Bro if you say your town one more time I’m just going to consider you lock wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My scum reads haven't changed, let Professor sort himself, but

don't wait too long.

Well, there is Salsabil, I wanna say she's Town, but I can't get it out of my mouth. You all have to decide.

Can we kill this dude.
Has has obvious wolf agenda.

[ProfessorDrapion]

It's not that I think Porkens is Town, I just think geraint is more likely to flip scum.

I gotta get some sleep, I'll be around before the DAY ends.

You love Ml’s don’t you?

[ProfessorDrapion]

Wayward's drunk posting is a lot of AtE. It's hard to town read that.

It’s wolfy.

[ProfessorDrapion]

UNVOTE: Wayward

No he still has allot he needs to do if he’s town here put your vote back on the dude is very likely a wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My read on Malcolm went down and read on Kitty went up.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm town reading salsa at this point I think. There doesn't seem to be an agenda there.

Yeah I don’t currently see any.
So if they are a wolf they aren’t using it right now.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I'm here.... will vote before going to sleep, meantime have to study

Put your vote back on and that’s good with me.

[ProfessorDrapion]

If

Wayward

flip green, what will your re-evaluate read look like?

Shiji goes lowest probably but I’ll have to look through everything first.

[ProfessorDrapion]

@NJAC Who's scum?

Still working on it. It would be easier if there weren't so many anti town players.

Don’t think of players as anti-town just learn how to read players really.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Frustrating matter is that I can see town!

geraintm

is also doing these things as scum!

geraintm

.... but I don't necessarily agree upon scum-flip of

geraintm

will clear

Professor

&

Porkens

but it will clear

Malcolm

&

Crescent

ig. I don't mind voting them if I have to avoid no-elimination today, but still prefer

Wayward

or

Galron

over them.

And

wayward

's recent posts are like.... I don't know if they're pretending or really are town....

@Shiidaji

,

@NJAC

.... help me out here

No fullclaim leaves an out for them down the line to still fakeclaim a PR if they think they still have a shot of not getting limmed today. I think scum wayward would be capable of authoring the last day I like reading their posts though so let's really drag this out till the last minute in jolly old MS fashion.

Like I haven’t liked anything from Wayward this game.

[ProfessorDrapion]

People on

Wayward

&

geraintm

's wagon ... want to switch over

Galron

?

No, as I stated I believe them to be town now.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Dude TF is NJAC’s post “oh do you think there isn’t 1 wolf in an 11 player game”
Dude if there was 1 wolf in an 11 player game I’d feel bad for the 1 wolf.

VOTE: NJAC

[ProfessorDrapion]

Pretty sure team is NJAC and Shii

[ProfessorDrapion]

I had an envision during Middle of Day 1 that Crest dies today, we ML again today and Salsa pushes and ML’s me tomorrow.
Don’t know what it had for Salsa alignment though.

[ProfessorDrapion]

like Cres gets killed for the night kill*

[ProfessorDrapion]

looking at the wagons from day 1, i can only see the 2 main ones on Galron and Wayward Son. There was a minor one later on on me that had 3 people on it - 2 of whom are dead and the other was NJAC

Galron (4): Salsabil Faria, NJAC, Shiidaji, MalcolmTucker
that was Galron's
Wayward Son (5): Porkens, ProfessorDrapion, Galron, Shiidaji, Salsabil Faria, MalcolmTucker (Hammer)
that was the hammer

All 4 on Galron either ended up on Watward Son - Town, or me - Also Town (yes yes, i knwo you lot don't know that but i do).

Those 4 would be where i would suggest there is a much higher chance of there being scum than not.

I've TR'd Salsa and Shii so far, so they're two I fear could be strong scum managing to conceal their alignment. Doubt both will be a team though.

I’ve Wolf Put both of them.

[ProfessorDrapion]

My POE is

{

Professor

,

Porkens

,

Shiidaji

,

Galron

,

geraintm

}

(in no particular order) by creating the town-block including

{

NJAC

,

Malcolm

,

Kitty

}

You’ll need to elaborate on NJAC.

[ProfessorDrapion]

VOTE: Shiidaji

[ProfessorDrapion]

Professor, for when you're around, what do you think of Ger's slot?

I’m gonna stay with the town read but I am losing some doubt.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Okay. Professor, what was your claim yesterday? I can’t find it.

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