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OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players. — wiki.mafiascum.net
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No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.In post 16, froggodoggo wrote:is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer-
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What’s I’m saying is that you’re voting me just because I’m voting you. I’m not yelling at you because you put a 2nd vote on Eiralox, I’m saying that you are coming from a mindset that doesn’t want an Eira quickhammer, whether you are town or scum. I was also using that ad an example of something that could theoretically be read into, but I immediately said after that my point is obviously a stretch, and I said this because you asked me what thoughts I have, and I said that there are no thoughts to be had but that. Stop twisting my words.In post 20, Andante wrote:
I suck? ok thanks for letting me know.. like, what's the purpose of this post? your other post you were yelling at me for putting a 2nd vote on someone to help get RXNs, like, I know I'm around, I had no concern over a quick hammer?In post 17, T3 wrote:OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players. — wiki.mafiascum.net
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I’m playing like this out of the gate because I’m trying to get discussion going as fast as possible. I don’t see you as scummy at all, I just wanted to see how you and froggodoggo respond.In post 21, Andante wrote:
yeah? cause I literally went "if I vote how many is hammer? ok 4, should be fine. I'll say e-2 to be safe" I don't want anyone accidentally throwing someone on e-1, I truly don't get why you're playing like this out of the gate, like "oh I'm just gonna shit on andante!!" like, can we not?In post 19, T3 wrote:
No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.In post 16, froggodoggo wrote:is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer
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Yes, I don’t think it’s AI either. I am saying that Andante asked me what my thoughts were, and I said that there are no thoughts to be had except her saying E-2 might be towny. I then said that Andante’s question is bad, because me saying she is town for saying E-2 is a stretch.In post 27, froggodoggo wrote:
ahh i see. i just see announcing e-2 as a courtesy type of thing and i don't think it is AI.In post 19, T3 wrote:
No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.In post 16, froggodoggo wrote:is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer-
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NowIn post 28, froggodoggo wrote:
I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.In post 18, Andante wrote:there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet
Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.
VOTE: Andanteherewe have a bad post. Andante isn’t saying that town should always be tring her on the basis of her first 4 posts, she’s saying that there’s not enough information to form a full scumread.
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It seemed to me like opportunism from the new attention on Andante.In post 35, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I agree that the post is bad but I'm not sure if this makes it scummy.In post 32, T3 wrote:
NowIn post 28, froggodoggo wrote:
I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.In post 18, Andante wrote:there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet
Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.
VOTE: Andanteherewe have a bad post. Andante isn’t saying that town should always be tring her on the basis of her first 4 posts, she’s saying that there’s not enough information to form a full scumread.
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That’s fair. Still, your reason for voting Andante just isn’t good.In post 39, froggodoggo wrote:nope! just coincidence. it would've been opportunism if you hadn't already said you think Andante was town.
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I don’t really get what you’re saying about ceejay, but I did find it slightly odd that he didn’t comment at all about the events of the first page. (Maybe?) frozen scum choosing to ignore it.In post 37, Andante wrote:VOTE: ceejayvinoya
idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...
ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town-
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Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.In post 42, froggodoggo wrote:why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?
I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.-
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Andante was reading into ceejay’s actual content, not his post timing.In post 45, froggodoggo wrote:
what do you think about Andante reading into it?In post 44, T3 wrote:
Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.In post 42, froggodoggo wrote:why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?
I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.-
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I disagree. I don’t think that it is a reasonable misunderstanding that someone could make, I think it’s more likely that froggo is scum making a bad push.In post 47, ceejayvinoya wrote:
It's bad in a they misunderstood that post kind of bad. It's neither towny or scummyIn post 36, Andante wrote:
In your own words, what about the post was bad?In post 35, ceejayvinoya wrote:I agree that the post is bad-
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21, 23, also just the interaction in total.In post 48, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire soIn post 41, T3 wrote:
I don’t really get what you’re saying about ceejay, but I did find it slightly odd that he didn’t comment at all about the events of the first page. (Maybe?) frozen scum choosing to ignore it.In post 37, Andante wrote:VOTE: ceejayvinoya
idk, no comment on T3 for now, just annoys me when people purposely try to start stuff with me the second the game starts...
ceejay however.. is not off to a great start. I don't think I have ever joined a game and my first thought for a game was "I agree this post is bad, but I don't think it is scummy" this feels like a classic case of scum nervously entering and in the process TMIing whoever as town
If there is any post there that suggests alignment maybe you could point me to it but nothing's got my attention there.
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I explained in 25.In post 51, ceejayvinoya wrote:I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.-
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I wasIn post 60, Eiralox wrote:
I'm glad you feel this way >.<In post 57, froggodoggo wrote:Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.
Idk about T3? I mean with galron and blood still being sorta mute my personal range of possibilities is quite broad. I'm all ears about Andante though.page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately
I mean I don't rank posts? it's just by actions alone, out of four actives, minus two inactives, T3 is the only one i've got reasons to feel good about. Cos I was put -2 while asleep and T3 defended me, i think, without bias, and by feels i say from a standpoint of townie concern?In post 59, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Tell me more about green feel T3. What's his sincerest post?In post 53, Eiralox wrote:Bonsoir i'm Eiralox and i'm here for the magret da canard >.<
So far, my only green feel is on T3. Like they seem sincere.
I'm intrigued that froggo sees me as a stong manly figure : P Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?
I sure wonder what Andante thinks about Galron's majestic entrance.
And that's it for me. I'll vote if and when I vote ; ) 'm taking in the scenery
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There was never a conflict with Andante. I never scumread Andante at all, but I wanted to start discussion so I created a conflict with her.In post 58, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I'm in love with these readsIn post 57, froggodoggo wrote:Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.
null on ceejay
page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately
T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly
The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far
andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason-
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In what way?In post 73, Andante wrote:BloodBot is town, or scum playing the game in a towny way, and know what, at this point that's good enough for a d1 pass-
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Yeah. I went on hiatus around 8 months ago and this is my second game back, but I would previously often play with Andante.In post 75, ceejayvinoya wrote:
oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.
This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.
I pushed Andante specifically because I knew she would generate a lot of content from my push on her, so the game would go faster.-
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Why is Eiralox town?In post 77, ceejayvinoya wrote:So sorting from this:
andante probably town.
T3 could be town?
Eiralox is town because I said so.
VOTE: froggodoggo
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I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.In post 85, Galron wrote:
Is this serious?In post 34, froggodoggo wrote:I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.
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‘Standard T3’In post 82, Galron wrote:Okay so it looks like standard T3. I've played with ceejay but I don't recall much. Andante riding herd is par for the course. Not sure there is much to be gained out of the T3 Andante interaction yet. More interested in T3 froggo rn.
What specifically? Do you think that my posts are alignment indicative by meta?-
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I don’t see where you’re coming from at all. The game was already in serious territory, froggo was expressing scumreads on Andante.In post 89, Galron wrote:
How is it obvious? If anything it's more facetious because it comes after just a handful of posts at the start of the game and it looks like a distinct after thought to the welcome post. I asked though because Andante was pretty aggressive so it might indeed be serious.In post 87, T3 wrote:
I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.In post 85, Galron wrote:
Is this serious?In post 34, froggodoggo wrote:I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.
pedit hi welcome vote andante
I've seen some suspictions of froggo but I don't know about a wagon. Do you really think I'm that nuanced anyway?
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That’s fair. I used to play really crazily with fake claims, but I don’t think I did reaction tests like this often. Either way, I haven’t played in a while. So it’s safe to assume that my playstyle has changed?In post 91, Galron wrote:
Your meta as far as you making these flash bang plays like the reaction test with Andante, but I've seen you do that as either alignment I think. That's why it's standard.In post 88, T3 wrote:
‘Standard T3’In post 82, Galron wrote:Okay so it looks like standard T3. I've played with ceejay but I don't recall much. Andante riding herd is par for the course. Not sure there is much to be gained out of the T3 Andante interaction yet. More interested in T3 froggo rn.
What specifically? Do you think that my posts are alignment indicative by meta?-
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I don’t know. I think there’s some miscommunication. I thought that you were subtly defending to froggo.In post 96, Galron wrote:
I think you're saying I am that nuanced, which is either a compliment or a pocket.In post 94, T3 wrote:
I don’t see where you’re coming from at all. The game was already in serious territory, froggo was expressing scumreads on Andante.In post 89, Galron wrote:
How is it obvious? If anything it's more facetious because it comes after just a handful of posts at the start of the game and it looks like a distinct after thought to the welcome post. I asked though because Andante was pretty aggressive so it might indeed be serious.In post 87, T3 wrote:
I don’t like this post. It’s fairly obvious that froggo’s post is serious, and asking this subtly defends the wagon against froggo.In post 85, Galron wrote:
Is this serious?In post 34, froggodoggo wrote:I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.
pedit hi welcome vote andante
I've seen some suspictions of froggo but I don't know about a wagon. Do you really think I'm that nuanced anyway?
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So that I can tell people my reads and get reactions?
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ceejay not being able to substantiate his reads seem to more likely be a playstyle thing?In post 103, BloodB0t wrote:
I don't have a 'generally' when it comes to mafia because this is my first game. I gave my reason which is that this game has a low player count. I approached the few Avalon games I've played in person for the same reason.In post 99, Galron wrote:Yes do you generally try to solve a case in less than 24 hours? Why is ceejay changing his mind scummy?
Since CJ clarified this, I no longer think that was scummy from him.
This question doesn't seem fruitful to me.
I don't like that his reads here aren't substantiated.In post 77, ceejayvinoya wrote:So sorting from this:
andante probably town.
T3 could be town?
Eiralox is town because I said so.
VOTE: froggodoggo
I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.
This seems like a stretch.In post 28, froggodoggo wrote:
I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.In post 18, Andante wrote:there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet
Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.
VOTE: Andante
I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.-
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Zero engagement with the case on him.
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I can only speak from my POV, but if I had to make a solve right now I would say you/Galron.In post 128, froggodoggo wrote:that is E-1 btw!! seems like no one wants to help me out… blood, if I’m scum, do you think it’s only town pushing me? Namely you, T3, Andante, and ceejay. If so, does that mean the 2nd mafia is in Galron/Eiralox?
If you are town, then… I don’t know.
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I think that may be more due to froggo’s personality than something AI.In post 130, BloodB0t wrote:You're talking about there being too many posts for you to pay attention to any questions asked of you, and you also add totally meaningless posts. I don't get it.-
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What do you think about froggo?In post 134, Galron wrote:No one is hammering anyone right now. Back off people.-
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I don’t like the way Bloodbot is overly focused on posts helping town to win. From my experience playing lots of Mafia rl in the past week, mafia will often try to get people who are joking around a lot limmed. Granted, this may not be true across all rl Mafia playgroups, but I certainly don’t like it.-
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Oh I see.In post 152, ceejayvinoya wrote:
quoting this so I could answer it laterIn post 86, T3 wrote:
Why is Eiralox town?In post 77, ceejayvinoya wrote:So sorting from this:
andante probably town.
T3 could be town?
Eiralox is town because I said so.
VOTE: froggodoggo
I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.
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Very good point - I didn’t think of that at the time but what you’re saying makes sense.In post 150, ceejayvinoya wrote:
This post is really tripping me up. It's like an almost blatant way of discrediting reads into them.In post 83, Galron wrote:To be clear T3 and Andante play like this so I don't think it's AI yet. Bloodbot's reads list is ???
You point out T3 and andante's play but not the content of the play itself and the possible motivations for it.
You point out Blood's reads but didn't really speculate alignment or expand on it either.
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In post 158, T3 wrote: If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.
Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.In post 159, ceejayvinoya wrote:It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.-
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This is just a weak defense of froggo. Galron just says that froggo “shouldn’t be hammered” but doesn’t offer any thoughts on the froggo wagon.In post 134, Galron wrote:No one is hammering anyone right now. Back off people.-
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I think a Galron flip might give us more info than a froggo flip?In post 161, froggodoggo wrote:
vote galron with meIn post 158, T3 wrote:Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:
Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo
If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.
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No point in explaining now.In post 163, froggodoggo wrote:
could you explain this to me? i believe you believe it but I would like to be convinced that the game is solvedIn post 154, T3 wrote:
Oh I see.In post 152, ceejayvinoya wrote:
quoting this so I could answer it laterIn post 86, T3 wrote:
Why is Eiralox town?In post 77, ceejayvinoya wrote:So sorting from this:
andante probably town.
T3 could be town?
Eiralox is town because I said so.
VOTE: froggodoggo
I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.
I think I’m going to town bin Eiralox and ceejay for today?-
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ceejay and Eiralox are town, don’t question it today.In post 174, Andante wrote:Why are you assuming ceejay and Eira town, then your "reasoning" for 1 of the teams is "Andante and frogs are trying to kill each other so not a team" then why have it listed as a plausible team?? I'm confused by your plan here
In post 172, T3 wrote:Assuming for a moment that me, ceejay, and Eiralox are town, the possible teams are:
Spoiler: froggo/Bloodbot
Spoiler: froggo/Galron
Spoiler: froggo/Andante
Spoiler: Bloodbot/Galron
Spoiler: Bloodbot/Andante
Spoiler: Galron/Andante
I’m assessing all of the possible scum pairs in my post, and determined that you and froggo aren’t scum together.-
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3, 1 a bit, 1 possibly, 1 not at all.In post 180, Andante wrote:
so how many from your list are teams you're actually considering?In post 178, T3 wrote:
ceejay and Eiralox are town, don’t question it today.In post 174, Andante wrote:Why are you assuming ceejay and Eira town, then your "reasoning" for 1 of the teams is "Andante and frogs are trying to kill each other so not a team" then why have it listed as a plausible team?? I'm confused by your plan here
In post 172, T3 wrote:Assuming for a moment that me, ceejay, and Eiralox are town, the possible teams are:
Spoiler: froggo/Bloodbot
Spoiler: froggo/Galron
Spoiler: froggo/Andante
Spoiler: Bloodbot/Galron
Spoiler: Bloodbot/Andante
Spoiler: Galron/Andante
I’m assessing all of the possible scum pairs in my post, and determined that you and froggo aren’t scum together.-
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I’m not saying you’re scum with Galron. I’m saying that’s a possibility of you being scum with Galron, which I will reassess later.In post 181, Andante wrote:
cause here it's looking like the plan is to lim Galron, then regardless of his flip, to flip me cause I'm not talking to him? like, it's not my fault Galron isn't here when I am... and trying to interact with people not here when I am? well, we see how that's going with EiraIn post 179, froggodoggo wrote:
then vote galronIn post 169, T3 wrote:In post 158, T3 wrote: If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.
Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.In post 159, ceejayvinoya wrote:It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.-
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Honestly, this is a really towny post.In post 184, froggodoggo wrote:from my pov T3 is very confident in solving this game and I am very confident that T3 is town so my job is to just push on the people in their POE that isn’t me-
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That’s fair, I may have misinterpreted the nature of your read on froggo. I do also like your perspective shift. Also, I was talking about froggo not engaging with my case, not yours.In post 192, BloodB0t wrote:I don't get how T3 is so confident on Eira being town. Also, I never town read froggo as he claims. I said I strongly lean scum towards froggo. I mentioned froggo as a possible 'unhelpful town' to get feedback on how viable it was to vote an 'unhelpful town' in a small game. I unvoted because people were scared of someone being at e-1, and I thought that it wasn't fair to have someone at e-1 when Eira has barely posted.
Since my last post, my perspective has changed a little bit.
It seems that voting unhelpful town is not a good idea. I'll try to take the game less seriously. I'll give townies more room to make 'unhelpful' posts. I realize it's probably more important to find mafia who are being 'helpful', but are actually providing bad help. Bad help is worse than no help.
T3 also mentioned how in rl games mafia tries to eliminate people who are joking in his experience. Well, this is not an rl game. I was already suspicious of froggo before criticizing his joking, and my main point was that he was contradicting himself by creating more meaningless posts while also saying there are too many posts.
T3 is on my scum list, along with Eira for being silent and being defended for no reason by t3. I thought maybe T3 talking about froggo not engaging my case could have been a pocket attempt. When he realized it wasn't working, he decided to try to frame me for attacking silly fun posts.
At this point I think the mafia team is probably T3 and Eira. Waiting on Eira.
Froggo could be a town that doesn't make sense to me.
pedit: wasn't expecting Eira to defend T3. I don't like what he says about Andante. I think everything Andante's been doing lines up with town. I don't like how non-commital Eira is being, combined with how T3 townbinned him for no reason. So T3-Eira scumteam makes the most sense right now.
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I am reading the game and responding to posts in order??In post 210, BloodB0t wrote:
I like this idea but we still have 5 rl days left in D1 so I wont be voting or talking much until we're closer to the deadline. I think I've done all that I can to indicate my alignment but and I'm still not very confident about who is scum.In post 196, froggodoggo wrote:lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.
However, notice T3's zero engagement in my case on him.
202 doesn't count because other people have expressed the same questioning those reads, and he hasn't mentioned my idea that he may have tried to pocket and then frame me.
See you all later.