Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

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Take that Marci I'm conftown to you

I want you to compile a list of Top 10 Reasons Why Marcistar Is Sorry

Then I'll hammer you

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Oop

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Well at least the game is over probably

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Scamper who was the partner

I feel so dumb now >.>

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Oh Johnny probably

Oh wellll

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I TRIED MY BEST OK

AN EFFORT WAS MADE

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I had fun playing with you too scamper

I feel like you sold your soul to the devil in return for unfair amounts of ability at the mafia game though

But you're still fun to play with

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I am sort of relieved I don't have to spend as much time going over the game as I thought I was going to, honestly

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I'm now expecting a two hundred page mafia PT in which scamper writes a novel about how to impeccably play as the mafia alignment and details every aspect of my personality and how I can be easily manipulated

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Also Johnny were u the other wolf

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Ugh I just feel really bad

I guess I'll just wait for the endgame post

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was it Johnny or gamma

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Don't think scamper makes that hammer as town

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Yeah when Marci voted me I was just like, fuck it if she's town scum can just win

You could easily have won much earlier from that position i think

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I should probably just stop playing mafia again

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I mean, I know but scamper intervened to get us to unvote which is why I kind of ruled out them and you, I thought it would be slowrolling

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I TRIED OK PLEASE DON'T FLAME ME GUYS

pedit: was it that you were scum with marci? I don't know why but I have a hunch that wasn't the case

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oh also, well done maf, thanks for modding pooky

pedit: shocker

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well i wasnt right about anything else so... don't see why that should be any different LMFAO

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yeah uh sorry for fucking everything up lmao

im guessing the redacted posts were probably about my d1? i mean whatever

will probs limit my involvement in mafia after current gmaes

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the design philosophy is that everyone is simple or complex

or an ascetic miller I guess lol

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My issue is not whether it was balanced
The design philosophy on that game feels nonexistent

the game is designed to be a reflection of a complex moving world where choices intersect and interact with each other in unpredictable ways.

I think this post would be better if you found a way to use the word simple

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I'm not going to complain about the setup because my play in this game sucked hard but I think like

This setup was fine but not what I wanted when I signed up for a mini normal I guess? I think this would have made a fun mini theme. It seemed kind of scumsided but that's a matter of personal taste and maybe in another run people will call it townsided. I think with all the simple and complex roles, a lot basically comes down to chance. I think the simple vig is a bit trolly because it can't shoot maf but unlike a loyal vig can't play around that because it doesn't know, but I don't have a fundamental problem with anything else I guess. I complained about my role but it was kind of funny I have to admit

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I mean that's fair but I don't think there's any way any of us could have put that together

Maybe dats cos he knows you really well and is an NRG member but even then he didn't seem to

W/ the simple vig, that's fair and it's not strictly negative utility but also like... Let the man shoot scums smh

Pedit: i mean, a doctor protecting a clear does not seem like the sort of thing the nrg would not pass in a normal game? maybe that's just my lack of knowledge but I don't see how I'm supposed to know any of this

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Like

I have tried looking at setup reviews that have been released

I still don't really get what assumptions I'm supposed to make.

It kind of feels like sometimes players are expected to make assumptions and if that's accounted for in the balance, but there are also setups which try to punish players for outguessing the mod with curveballs? Like idk. Maybe I'm just an idiot who doesn't get it.

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it's fine for a doctor+cop to work together in such a way

but you already have 2 dead vigilantes and 1 dead friendly neighbor.

usually towns do not have 5 useful PRs in a game where they are against a mafia team of 2 plus a traitor.

I mean maybe I overestimated the power of a traitor jailkeeper but I didn't feel it was that weak. I also felt like the clears were extremely situational because in this game none of them fired. Is that my fault? Maybe, idk, but I'm not really sure how to get better at setup spec. I've tried looking at what seems to be the only public resource for it. Idk.

Also like if scum had a different power role instead of the double invest thing scamper had I feel like that'd make a simple doc viable but again like idk

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I mean I agree that it's not like nearly as powerful as a full scum jailkeeper but like... It still seems pretty powerful as a role capable of completely neutering power roles? Maybe that's just my brain seeing the word jailkeeper and overestimating it, but like, I don't think it's that much worse than a goon? Especially since it's immune to both of the vigs

I agree it's hard to setup spec in normals and idk. I don't think I could ever have found Johnny just by setup spec personally but that could just be me.

Again I don't really want to complain about the setup and wouldn't feel confident in my judgement of balance to do so anyway so eh

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Yeah idk. If I was better maybe I could have townread Marci but I couldn't see her as town. Her reaction test being meant to anger me was just not something I anticipated or understood coming from a town perspective. I don't know

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No, no, you have it!
In some setups you are meant to assume for balance; in other setups, you are punished for outguessing the mod. That's mod-dependent.

I mean sure but I'm not sure how to approach this as a player? Like, I don't think there's much way to tell if you're playing a game where you're supposed to setup spec or not?

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I mean yeah I'm just wondering like what the best course of action is

Like do you try anyway and just take the L if the mod was fucking with expectations or do you just not do it and take the L if you just hampered yourself and made the setup scumsided as intended

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While I can't speak for everyone, personally I feel like that would be a sacrifice worth making? I mean, I think there's a lot of claimspace in normals anyway and I don't think people would actually believe my claim nearly as much if the rest of the setup was actually simple.

The only negative I can think of is that it's difficult to draw the line between simple and complex. I think having an unknown tag would mitigate that, so maybe it's a good idea.