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Hey hey catching up. Seven alive so one of NM/ Shadow are probably scum
Someone wanna catch me up on the cases?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Looking through VCs and deaths we likely have two conf town. One in a mason and one in a vig shot.In post 1361, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Guiltylion was found dead this night.
Their role wasTown Mason
Day 2 has begun and will end in (expired on 2022-04-08 13:15:24)
Can we block this and win?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Being a normal game vigs can’t be scum aligned
And masons can’t be scum aligned.
Mason and vig claim and talk it out. Then we win?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 767, GuiltyLion wrote:ok so here's a readslist with a small bit of explanation but I don't have a ton of energy for it
order within the groups does not matter at all, just tiers
town: {tictac, roden, marci}
probtown: {koba, dwlee, gamma}
fuck if I know: {HEM, chaos}
scummy: {NK15, shadowgirl}
scum: {meuh}
tictac feels like the most pure slot in the game, roden again just 0% chance of defending me like that as scum, marci's star maybe falling off a tiny bit as of late but I don't see her as aligned with Meuh and I still very much think Meuh is scum
I liked a lot of Dwlee's later posting the past few days and I'm also thinking I'd trust a town!Koba to sort them in the hood. Koba is only not highest town tier by virtue of general paranoia of their scumgame, they're easily the most take charge person in the game here and I don't really object to most of what they've said - they have the wrong conclusions on roden/GL dynamic but I don't fault them for how they reached those conclusions. gamma I am iffy on, I felt a more strong dislike of his posting around the time of E-1-gate but when I challenged myself today to evaluate their explanation/justifications in response to me and others I don't really see any scumtells there and I do think his vibes don't fit what I've felt from his scumgame vibewise
HEM, I see where Roden's coming from and it does feel like at times he's tweaked his story slightly to serve whatever his current agenda is, but it's not contradictory in a fully scummy way and his SR on me clicked a bit more when I understood that his real objections were to me parking a 'safe' vote on Dwlee, I don't think that's inherently wrong to be suspicious of. waiting on more from him though
Chaos I've liked what he's posted but he isn't posting enough of it for a real townread, and if I'm looking for scum on my wagon he's in the pool of potential candidates
NK15 I think has been pushing a lot of bullshit and doing it in this extremely obstinate/confident way that I think feels surface-level town in a "it seems like his beliefs are genuine!" sense but doesn't actually demonstrate an evolving/sorting mind. like his entire gamestate view has been oriented around me being scum from the very start and has not once significantly deviated nor reassessed (I know he very briefly voted Koba but I think that was for show), and I also think he's a smarter dude than to genuinely believe in assigning scumreads to everyone who townread me like he did in 586. no evidence in my mind of him not playing to suit an agenda. also I think the initial fixation on the traitor talk was odd and possibly informed of presence of a traitor in the game. would lim with no mercy
ShadowGirl is kind of a POE pick but I don't think she's actually done anything townie? like she's giving reasonable seeming Opinions on stuff but none of it has once struck me as something that would be out of range of being faked by a capable wolf. I'm least sure of this read but I got a lot of town vibes elsewhere and she hasn't felt townie enough herself to dislodge anyone else
Meuh just feels like scum to me. not all that engaged, surface level reads/analysis, 754 is a bizarre post like she's clearly sheeping tictac, why play the "I didn'tsayI agree with tictac!!" card in response to Koba's question??ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So sounds like Roden is a mason.In post 1791, Roden wrote:I'm pretty sure we just win now, don't we? We have three conftowns: me, Koba, and whoever the Vig is. Idk why they didn't kill any claimed roles but uh, I'm gonna still try to win if you just keep me around.
Why is Koba conf?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). In mini games (at most 13 players), there must be exactly one such group, with no third parties. In large games (at least 14 players), a second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group, and there should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and no more than one Serial Killer.In post 1803, ShadowGirl wrote:I am truly shocked that neither of our two PR roles died?? I'm trying to understand what the play was.
I can reply to this now that the Day was over; I did see that you put some reads information in your posts in that Day, I had purposely phrased my question to Dwlee in that way because I was hoping they might be inclined to answer it.In post 1700, DkKoba wrote:shadow I did answer. you dont like the answer because it requires effort. I intentionally always do this when someone tries to push me to out reads list when i dont want to at the time.
read my ISO and my reads are fairly clear.
Is there any possibility of something wacky like a Serial Killer in place of the vig?In post 1791, Roden wrote:I'm pretty sure we just win now, don't we? We have three conftowns: me, Koba, and whoever the Vig is. Idk why they didn't kill any claimed roles but uh, I'm gonna still try to win if you just keep me around.
@DkKoba: did you get any significant results last night? Should we continue to massclaim?
SK is not a thing per the wikiScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kinda surprised no vig claim yet unless I missed it.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So then Koba is very likely scum. A rolecop doesn’t check who already claimed when town unless given a reason to.In post 1874, ShadowGirl wrote:
Koba and Dwlee were neighbours. On D2, Koba claimed Rolecop and they got only a 'Neighbour' result on them and that Dwlee had claimed roaming doctor to them in the neighbourhood private thread. Dwlee was voted as mafia, so that indicates that Koba is town.In post 1871, MathBlade wrote:
So sounds like Roden is a mason.In post 1791, Roden wrote:I'm pretty sure we just win now, don't we? We have three conftowns: me, Koba, and whoever the Vig is. Idk why they didn't kill any claimed roles but uh, I'm gonna still try to win if you just keep me around.
Why is Koba conf?
There is no one that has currently claimed vig.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Your probs scum too.In post 1369, ShadowGirl wrote:
I'm cool with it.In post 1363, Not Known 15 wrote:Massclaim time. Popcorn?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.
I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.
They hyperpost a lot.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Koba can’t both be silent and predict GL mason lmao.In post 1393, Dwlee99 wrote:Btw koba predicted guiltylion mason in the hood which is probably why scum killed them
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Town Koba doesn’t do this either.In post 1420, DkKoba wrote:
roden is pretty obv mason roflIn post 1418, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
nvm please no one answer thisIn post 1415, humaneatingmonkey wrote:will the other mason please standup
I think Shadowgirl is best for today if you don’t trust me on Koba scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Consider me spiritually on Shadowgirl but vig should claim today so we don’t have to deal with a possible 1v1 tomorrow after Roden dies or scum might shoot the vig and give Roden an extra day to lead town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Cool Koba traitor with Shadowgirl looks real legit due to Rule of 3In post 1490, DkKoba wrote:this is why i outted you roden rofl
I have 0 patience for clears who play like you do when im busy fucking up scum
My legacy is tictac + chaos, if either are a miss, shadowgirl should be a hit.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I was in that game and none of this is relevantIn post 1491, DkKoba wrote:
House fake claimed masons with IV but i scumread IV and IV ended up being scum roflIn post 1488, ShadowGirl wrote:
Can I have some context on this now that everything is a mess between ya'll lolIn post 917, DkKoba wrote:Just like IV and House were only T/T in a very specific world in my last mini normal.
(This is a crumb that is impossible to discern for now that ive explained to dwlee)
I am gonna stop spamming but if I am a vig and lying saying I am not you’re deadScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay last one. You don’t crumb privately to a scumread. Like ???In post 917, DkKoba wrote:Just like IV and House were only T/T in a very specific world in my last mini normal.
(This is a crumb that is impossible to discern for now that ive explained to dwlee)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Correct. It’s why it’s staged. Dwlee as scum has no reason to lie about the hood activity. If you’re town he doesn’t know about the guilty. This means it shows predisposition towards pushing you intentionally before claiming your guilty if you are truthtelling.In post 1886, DkKoba wrote:
the funniest part of all this is quoting a flipped scum and believing what the scum is sayingIn post 1878, MathBlade wrote:This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.
I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.
They hyperpost a lot.
But a preprepared push means like a fake guiltyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then you have to be wrong in your assumptions somewhere. Let’s go through them.In post 1888, tictac wrote:
dwee flipped scum neighbor, and noone else claimed to be in that neighborhood.In post 1878, MathBlade wrote:This is why it’s staged.
If Koba is called out as a liar Koba looks good but if Dwlee goes down Koba looks good.
I doubt Koba ignores a hood as town or scum.
They hyperpost a lot.
so would have to be 2 scum actually in a neighborhood together 4 koba to be scum here.
shadowgirl been after notmaf-slot since day1. really don't think that pair is svs tho one of them certainly is.
i think enchant is just town here also.
there's not really room 4 u to be town also, tho i like that u brought a lot of life into the game.
We all agree Roden is mason right?
We all agree a vig exists it’s lock town based on normal rules right?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And yes that’s why I think it’s a two scum hood likely Koba traitorScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Like it is literally tantamount the vig claim today especially if I am right and traitor scum would make this possibly elo.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Would you agree that anything after this point is based on reads and not confirmed?In post 1893, tictac wrote:
i agree to theseIn post 1891, MathBlade wrote:We all agree Roden is mason right?
We all agree a vig exists it’s lock town based on normal rules right?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I have to head to a dr appt but I repped into a game where I was traitor scum and had a hood with my buddy.In post 1898, tictac wrote:
doesn't seem to me a thing that might exist.In post 1892, MathBlade wrote:two scum hood
can u cite a game where one did?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284&user_select%5B%5D=32319In post 1902, tictac wrote:
i'm not in a hurryIn post 1899, MathBlade wrote:
I have to head to a dr appt but I repped into a game where I was traitor scum and had a hood with my buddy.In post 1898, tictac wrote:
doesn't seem to me a thing that might exist.In post 1892, MathBlade wrote:two scum hood
can u cite a game where one did?
There you go
Like I am much more sure on Koba but will compromise to where Roden wants.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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viewtopic.php?p=12964004#p12964004 This is the flip if you’re too lazy tictac
SvS hoods can and do exist.
You can disagree with my Koba read, fine let’s talk about it but in no way shape or form is Koba confScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think it was a poorly executed bus not a throwIn post 1901, Roden wrote:I don't think it really makes sense to put two mafia together in a hood. If Koba is a Traitor then that was a throw tbh, but I still don't see a reason to put a Traitor in a hood with the scum team. Scum/Traitor hood is slightly more likely than a scum/scum hood, but overall still not particularly likely at all.
If for some reason Koba is a Traitor and actively chose to hard throw the game by bussing the only person who could communicate plans to the other scum buddy, they still lose if we just kill Dwlee's partner.
However one of NM/Shadowgirl have to be scum due to lack of hammer
So imho the elim pool should be those three
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This came first
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You have your OOO wrong Roden
Dwlee claimed Koba ignoring then Koba claimed mason open in the thread
This gives scum kill cover and allows reaction testing for the second masons as evidenced by lack of mason death scum didnt knowScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Double checking myself this seems to be first mason claim.In post 1424, Roden wrote:
Yeah I'm Mason, now please self vote or vote EnchantIn post 1420, DkKoba wrote:
roden is pretty obv mason roflIn post 1418, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
nvm please no one answer thisIn post 1415, humaneatingmonkey wrote:will the other mason please standupScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Hmmm not killing Roden is odd. Maybe PR hunting?In post 1787, NorwegianboyEE wrote:humaneatingmonkey and Not Known 15 was found dead this night.
humaneatingmonkey’s role wasVanilla Townie
Not Known 15’s role wasTown Neighbour
Day 3 has begun and will end in (expired on 2022-04-15 04:25:15)
It’s likely vig shot NK15 because they didn’t post a thing in the hood.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Oh nah it’s to protect Koba lmao.In post 1650, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
dwlee pretending they say nothing actuallyIn post 1648, DkKoba wrote:HEM tell me, what is the easier claim - me saying there was content that led to a mech guilty from me, or dwlee pretending they said nothing.
it's the same as you pretending there was activity when in fact there weren't any, and you not wanting to illustrate the story for us to folllow
also your ego attacks wont work on me, so just get to the point where you convince us more. right now, we're not very convinced. (same as roden)
don't you think it's on you to provide the burden of proof? not our fault you're so untrustworthy with your mind gamesScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I really gotta go but Koba seems like scum to me and they aren’t even all “Math you’re being ridiculous let me type a long read wall of how ridiculous you are”. They just went “ignore Math” lmao.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Maybe I am the vig.In post 1919, DkKoba wrote:Mathblade, why are you hard softing vig?
Maybe I am baiting the NK since vig isn’t claiming.
That sounds like a you problem.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Alrighty will vote Shadow when I get back from drs barring something special. I can push Koba tomorrow and you’re likely not gonna be alive tomorrow to push Shadow.In post 1922, Roden wrote:
I think it could be both of them, but I feel a little more strongly on Shadow.In post 1909, MathBlade wrote:
I think it was a poorly executed bus not a throwIn post 1901, Roden wrote:I don't think it really makes sense to put two mafia together in a hood. If Koba is a Traitor then that was a throw tbh, but I still don't see a reason to put a Traitor in a hood with the scum team. Scum/Traitor hood is slightly more likely than a scum/scum hood, but overall still not particularly likely at all.
If for some reason Koba is a Traitor and actively chose to hard throw the game by bussing the only person who could communicate plans to the other scum buddy, they still lose if we just kill Dwlee's partner.
However one of NM/Shadowgirl have to be scum due to lack of hammer
So imho the elim pool should be those three
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Ahh then it’s me who has things OOO.In post 1924, Roden wrote:In post 1919, DkKoba wrote:Mathblade, why are you hard softing vig?
Koba crumbed Day 1 that they had already discussed the possibility of me and GL being Masons.In post 1912, MathBlade wrote:You have your OOO wrong Roden
Dwlee claimed Koba ignoring then Koba claimed mason open in the thread
This gives scum kill cover and allows reaction testing for the second masons as evidenced by lack of mason death scum didnt know
I still find Koba sus but it’s not as airtight as I thought.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not sure what you’re talking about with “made up link”. I didn’t post any hyperlinks. I suspect Koba. Koba listed three people who could be scum. More often than not one of those three is scum. Is it foolproof, no? Is it a good place to start when I haven’t read? Yes.In post 1926, ShadowGirl wrote:
Is this the only link that you've made up? Do you actually have any case against me? Do you have any opinions on the other two players or only me, because I currently have votes?In post 1882, MathBlade wrote:
Cool Koba traitor with Shadowgirl looks real legit due to Rule of 3In post 1490, DkKoba wrote:this is why i outted you roden rofl
I have 0 patience for clears who play like you do when im busy fucking up scum
My legacy is tictac + chaos, if either are a miss, shadowgirl should be a hit.
I find it shady that you're trying to put all of the responsibility of the (mis)elimination choice on Roden so that your hands are clean.In post 1905, MathBlade wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87284&user_select%5B%5D=32319In post 1902, tictac wrote:
i'm not in a hurryIn post 1899, MathBlade wrote:
I have to head to a dr appt but I repped into a game where I was traitor scum and had a hood with my buddy.In post 1898, tictac wrote:
doesn't seem to me a thing that might exist.In post 1892, MathBlade wrote:two scum hood
can u cite a game where one did?
There you go
Like I am much more sure on Koba but will compromise to where Roden wants.
Greeting pushed Dwlee based no actual read information. They could not give me any reasoning as to why they believed DkKoba's claim, as if they knew Dwlee was going to flip scum and could be certain of the town cred so they had no need to actually say anything.In post 1704, Roden wrote:
Meant to add: who would benefit from pushing Dwlee now?In post 1703, Roden wrote:No, it was to fake spew Dwlee as town. I faked a slip to draw attention away from my scum buddies and create fake associatives with town. I mainly did so because my slot was doomed even if I bussed Dwlee, but it wasn't true the other way around.
This isn't happening with you vs Dwlee because you both opened today attacking each other. If Dwlee is scum I think it's reasonable to think they would try to fake spew.
There has been next to no productive content from the lurky Chaos/Greeting/NM slot. What has Greeting and NM contributed at all?
I am not putting all responsibility on Roden. I am merely deferring to the person who is read and town. I don’t have a good reason you’re town and you’re a viable partner of Koba’s so compromising here makes sense until I can read the game especially when it might be elo.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am confused by this topic. Can someone eli5?In post 1935, Roden wrote:
This is actually why I'm currently pushing Shadow.In post 1929, Enchant wrote:Idk i am not on like people with long reads and reasonings why they vote, just for sake of kill of blatant maf.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Can you elaborate the clears? I only know of you and the vig whoever they are.In post 1941, Roden wrote:
I think if Koba is scum and Shadow flips town, then they still lose in ELO. We have too many clears for them to survive a vote at that point. Plus I don't see why Koba doesn't NK me if they're scum.In post 1938, MathBlade wrote:
Ahh then it’s me who has things OOO.In post 1924, Roden wrote:In post 1919, DkKoba wrote:Mathblade, why are you hard softing vig?
Koba crumbed Day 1 that they had already discussed the possibility of me and GL being Masons.In post 1912, MathBlade wrote:You have your OOO wrong Roden
Dwlee claimed Koba ignoring then Koba claimed mason open in the thread
This gives scum kill cover and allows reaction testing for the second masons as evidenced by lack of mason death scum didnt know
I still find Koba sus but it’s not as airtight as I thought.
From the POV of a Townie who is not the vig and if three scum we have to hit today or lose
From the POV of a Townie who is not the vig and two scum we have one miselim
From the POV of a Townie who is the vig you’re the only clear which means if it’s elo I vote with you no matter what or we lose.
Btw spiritual vote on Shadow until I see the VCScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And I am afraid I can only theorize as to why you aren’t dead.
As it’s a normal could be scum were vig hunting or PR hunting or your reads end of yesterday were bad.
Koba scum is a wild card but I think if I am right and vig shot NK15 then HEM really points to Koba scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Intent to E-1 ShadowGirlScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am not voting Koba right now because the reason I scumread them would be they are a traitor mechanically more likely than group scum.
This if my theory is correct would also be elo. However my theory may not be correct so I want time to validate and see it.
Based on the vote spread and how neither of you are hammered it’s likely TVS / SVT or SVS
For those reasons I am not interested in a counter wagon.
I have my opinion but it’s not strong enough to rah rah tunnel.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t have to rush and there’s time for me to catch up but and the same time leave impressions as to where I am. That way I can come at this in the best way possible.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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No it would require two more group scum and a traitor.In post 1949, ShadowGirl wrote:
For today being ELO is the math that there's 1 traitor + 1 scum left and then if there's a mislim today and then the vig also shooting wrong in the night?In post 1947, MathBlade wrote:This if my theory is correct would also be elo. However my theory may not be correct so I want time to validate and see it.
Mainly I am a bit confused if the wagons are TVT why you or NM are not hammered.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It is possible for that but unless the vig claims then we don’t know if or when they shoot.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I see your point. I just got done with a 5 in 19 and this is giving me similar vibes.In post 1952, ShadowGirl wrote:
So we would have 4 scum total in a 12 person game? I haven't played in a nearly a decade so I don't know if that is a set-up that is likely?In post 1950, MathBlade wrote:No it would require two more group scum and a traitor.
Mainly I am a bit confused if the wagons are TVT why you or NM are not hammered.
Because only NM got to 3 votes (and wasn't hammered). I've only ever been up to two votes.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I might just be paranoid and wrong here but I would rather go slow in case I am not.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This might sound rather rude but I worry about NM no matter what because he just trolls/scums as any alignment.
Can you briefly say what NM has done to make you feel that way?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Still have to read something came up. Still working off VCs.In post 1785, NorwegianboyEE wrote:[6] Dwlee99: DkKoba, tictac, Not Known 15, Greeting, humaneatingmonkey, Enchant
[1] DkKoba: Dwlee99
[1] Enchant: Roden
[2] Not voting: ShadowGirl, marcistar
With 10 players alive, 6 votes are needed for an elimination.
D2: deadline: (expired on 2022-04-08 13:15:24)
I am kinda thinking that mainly Shadow might be town because she’s off the wagon.
If Dwlee knew he was being down it makes more sense to be frontloaded like Dwlee or TicTac.
I am not feeling Shadow scum anymore.
Could we just throw out my Koba read too and maybe it’s one of TicTac/NM or Shadow/Koba
I kinda feel those are the worlds.
TicTac+NM matches a lot more of a Dwlee knew they were going down than Shadow.
Oh well that’s enough ramblings from a sleep deprived man.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Front loaded like DkKoba* omg I can’t type either apparentlyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I don’t like how everyone got quiet….ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yes. I am aware of that. That’s why I stated intent and didn’t actually do it. Shadow girl’s responses seemed good so I revisited my assumptions.In post 1967, tictac wrote:
so u aware that NM gonna hammer anything that he can hammer, right?In post 1956, MathBlade wrote:This might sound rather rude but I worry about NM no matter what because he just trolls/scums as any alignment.
Can you briefly say what NM has done to make you feel that way?
It was intent but I haven’t actually voted her.
I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.
I find it odd that you decide to vote me when you have a likely guaranteed scum in Shadow/NM. Care to explain why you vote me instead?
Do you think NM and Shadow are both town?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This doesn’t make sense though and doesn’t explain anything.In post 1973, tictac wrote:
shadow been after NM-slot since day1. don't think the pair is svs.In post 1972, MathBlade wrote:I am kinda tempted more to vote NM.
I find it odd that you decide to vote me when you have a likely guaranteed scum in Shadow/NM. Care to explain why you vote me instead?
Do you think NM and Shadow are both town?
has to be one scum in the pair tho cause has to be 2 scum left and they have to be somewhere.
and that's also why i voted 4 u. 50%chance in that pair 100%on u. (exaggerated probabilities obviously)
You say 50/50 in NM/Shadow
But then 100% on me.
This doesn’t explain how you get to that point when you’re assuming two scum yet neither has been hammered?
You’re skipping a few steps here.
The only innos are Roden and the vig whoever it is (maybe me maybe not). So I struggle to see how you’re getting to the wrong conclusion.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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For example if you’re assuming 100% on me am I scum with NM and bussing?
Or am I scum with Shadow and stalling?
Where do you assume two scum left only? There could be three with the Koba theory?
Like I struggle to figure out your mindset here Tictac.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is a very common scum tactic I use.
You’ve created a situation that benefits you to ignore answering the question asked.
Hell it may even be true Koba and Enchant are both town (it’s a world I am considering)
But even if I grant you incorrectly that I am scum you’re still not answering who with.
If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.
Therefore this tells me your vig hunting versus scum hunting and you + NM world is looking very spicy.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You’ve used the common opinions that Koba and Enchant are town
Then decided to use that to push me, then if you succeed and I flip town you “reevaluate” and still avoid the dichotomy between NM/SG or at the last moment eliminate the wrong one.
The real question is why you don’t want to take a stance on NM/SG?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Koba I am trying to consider you town.In post 1982, DkKoba wrote:I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol
Please stop antagonizing me while I am catching up. K thx.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why would I be uncountered?In post 1986, tictac wrote:
uncountered vig-claim would be conf.In post 1981, MathBlade wrote:If I was actually PoE scum to you me claiming vig or not would not change your mind but here you say it would.
obviously i don't value my reads oven mech-info.
it's like u confused about how poe works, and i doubt that can actually be the case.
Why would I claim under no pressure?
It’s almost like you know I am town versus believing I am lock scum.
Why do you think I am lock vig and still pushing me?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You’re assuming I am going to be claiming vig?
Like none of that makes any sense.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Like if I am the vig then what? You literally are PoE’d out of any possible world?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And again what is your stance on NM/SG?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Interesting why do you think I wouldn’t claim vig as scum?In post 1995, tictac wrote:
scumreading u would be convenient.In post 1982, DkKoba wrote:I already said tictac is scum but no one wants to sheep lol
pedit: noo. u not gonna actually claim vig and initiate a 1v1 (as scum). if u were actually one u might choose to (probs shouldn't) and obv that would have an effect.
doesn't really matter if i believe it rn or not, what can be destroyed by the truth should be.
And why do you think as town vig I would eat an elim instead of claiming?
Like no matter what from my POV I see the following options
As town not vig if runup I claim VT, eat the elim, scum don’t know who vig is, vig shoots on my wagon if possible
As town not vig if runup I claim VT, accurately pull the elim off of me, scum don’t know who the vig is, vig shoots whoever if possible
As town vig if runup I claim, we elim in a group of 4.
As scum i get runup, I claim vig, vig CCs and then I get elimmed but I know who to block at night
As scum I get runup I claim not vig and pray the situation changes
There’s no world in which what your proposing happens.
You’re not thinking you are forced to scumread me either because you are scum or have pigeonholed yourself incorrectly.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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There is no way we don’t elim in SG/NM though
So again tictac what is your stance on SG/NM?
This is the third or fourth time I have asked.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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