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VOTE: Yeezys

Your Jordans are fake.

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Oh wait, Jackson is playing.

VOTE: Jackson

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Oh wait, Jackson is playing.

VOTE: Jackson

fuack you too

Don't threaten me with a good time.

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I bet we have a mailman this game who is the most fun person here.... so far all yall are boring

What should we be talking about instead? Half the people in this game haven't even checked in yet.

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Well, three people haven't. But still.

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I bet we have a mailman this game who is the most fun person here.... so far all yall are boring

What should we be talking about instead? Half the people in this game haven't even checked in yet.

Well I mean, everyone showing up and randomly voting gets us nowhere, everyone has essentially the exact same message, like, idk, I hate RVS in general, but still, having the entire table go "haha (vote X)" yeah no thanks

Eh. I view it as basically checking in and saying that you’re here since there’s nothing else to talk about, but you have a point. I feel like not doing RVS would equally get us nowhere, though.

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Okay. Let’s move it out of RVS, since we’re both keen on that. I had the exact same problem you did in the last game I played.

VOTE: T3.[/]

Serious vote now.

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VOTE: T3

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You have the

entire

squad laughing right now.

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Good morning. What an interesting start to a game. Please to be here for it.

Andante is the obvious elephant in the room, but I'm not overly concerned at this point. I know people can get really talky when they're scum but eh I'm mostly seeing enthusiasm. The response to #33 wasn't stellar, but also doesn't give me enough red flags.

If I was going to pick a direction to go now, it'd be VOTE: Natalya.

Really? I feel like Andante wanting to push the game out of RVS phase is distinctly town-indicative. Worst case scenario it gives us associatives/more information if they do flip scum.

Why do you scumread Natalya?

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I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.

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lmao I love the flavor, this will be my favorite game ever, what even is that? a Rooster x ....

That’s my dad.

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What do you mean by carry over?

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Eh. Fair enough.

What are your thoughts on the game beyond that? Any reads on players/statements besides Natalya’s?

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I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.

Noting this as a blatant hedge as well, echoing T3 while keeping their vote on him.

I can agree with the sentiments of a person that I think is scum. Scum aren’t going to obviously distance or lie 100% of the time— that’s just bad play. It’s a matter of separating what’s theater from what’s bussing.

Can I not scumread both T3 and Scorp when the former has the latter as a scumread?

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I shall also not say anything yet.

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I don't see how Scorp is really doing things to solve/hunt for mafia

He seems more concerned with defending himself from something that he sees as fairly frivolous and pointless.

I don't really see why that would be his main concern if he thinks this is just an RVS thing with really no substance to it?

I actually agree with this. I wanted him to give reads on stuff other than the RVS controversy and he just missed my question in favor of talking about the vote some more. Feels a little more geared towards self-preservation than scumhunting.

VOTE: Scorpious

Can you give us some reads on the game beyond Natalya and the RVS vote?

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Yeah, I’m not wasting anymore time “defending” myself. How such a weak push gains so much momentum is beyond me. As far as being “defensive”. That’s being manufactured, and people are buying it.I asked some obvious questions that anyone would ask. Good thing is, This train is giving me some information, though.

You could always try scumhunting and sharing your reads, like I asked you twice.

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I think you're misconstruing the crux of her argument as just your RVS vote being suspicious rather than your reaction to the pressure her vote and read placed on you.

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What makes Natalya obviously town?

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What makes Natalya obviously town?

Nevermind..

Damn, man. Can I talk to her? And get her reactions? My god..

My bad. Continue.

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Scorp’s last post seems like genuine frustration, but I can’t tell whether it’s frustration at being tunneled as a townie or scum upset that they got caught out of nowhere.

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Yeah, I’m not wasting anymore time “defending” myself. How such a weak push gains so much momentum is beyond me. As far as being “defensive”. That’s being manufactured, and people are buying it.I asked some obvious questions that anyone would ask. Good thing is, This train is giving me some information, though.

This post in particular raises a few red flags indicating the latter, but it could just be that I’m not familiar with Scorp’s style of play.

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~*hugs duckie*~

Scorp’s last post seems like genuine frustration, but I can’t tell whether it’s frustration at being tunneled as a townie or scum upset that they got caught out of nowhere.

~*hugs duckie*~

Case in point.

How is it a case in point? I’ve literally been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt by asking simple questions like who you scumread and you’re not following through.

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How so? I’m not going to vote someone every time they do something I don’t like..

How do you view this post?

I think it makes sense for town!you to vote for someone if you think they made "the worst post of the game" rather than keep your vote on your RVS which means really nothing.

The fact that you don't really see your vote as a tool to pressure/attack people that you suspect makes me think you are not very interested in scumhunting.

Uhh what? you SR someone for not voting? I mean, my method of scumhunting doesn't typically involve talking with my vote? Like, engaging with people and talking to them is better than just a simple (Vote X)

i agree.
do you think it's a playstyle difference between natalya & scorpious or do you think natalya is pushing scorpious opportunistically?

Personally? I don't think Natalya's push on Scorpious is opportunistic, given she built it as time went on incorporating new evidence from his posts directly. I do view things like Egix's or Azaariah's votes as opportunistic since there's no coherent line of thought that led them to their decision, but opportunism isn't always alignment-indicative. I'm still scumreading Scorpious, but I would be lying if I said that this wagon wasn't making me feel a little bit uneasy looking it over. I think that at least one of the three I mentioned (Azaariah, Egix, Scorpious) is definitely scum, though.

Still want Scorpious to answer my question on who he scumreads in particular.

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that was a rvs vote if that wasn't clear. i specifically wrote vote: scorpio because i am a scorpio. either way i dont have any scumreads right now so im just leaving that vote there.

No you didn't.

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i have some thoughts on the game but won't say them yet VOTE: scorpio

Your 'RVS vote' from page 4.

VOTE: Azaariah

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I don’t see how it’s a cheap ‘gotcha’ when I clearly expressed displeasure with the way the Scorpious wagon formed as well as an intent to change my vote a few posts prior to that.

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I don’t see how it’s a cheap ‘gotcha’ when I clearly expressed displeasure with the way the Scorpious wagon formed as well as an intent to change my vote a few posts prior to that.

That seems to be missing the point entirely? None of this is actual justification for voting Aza. Which, like, claiming a vote on page 4 on a very serious wagon was an RVS vote is weird, sure, but I don't see why scum chooses that path rather than saying they agreed with the wagon, aza's other posts are good enough that I shrug and buy the explanation.

I literally explained in my post 5 minutes before she even posted the RVS message that I thought there was a high chance one of she, Egix, or Scorp were scum because of the way the wagon formed. It was also after her message saying that she wanted to vote out Andante right away and before any of her more in-depth messages regarding the game. I don’t know why you’re cherrypicking to fake a case against me while ignoring the context behind my vote entirely, but if you’re town, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I agree her later posts have been better than they were at the time. Where should I place my vote if you disagree with it being on Azaariah now and why?

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Oops. Sorry, I mean they. Hard for me to keep track of pronouns sometimes.

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I think Scorpious was just saying that posting long and noncommittal reads is a way to seem like you’re doing something as scum without actually advancing the game forward at all.

Maybe it’s just me, but I tend to TR players who are open-minded and move the gamestate forward by bringing new ideas to the table rather than those who are interested in self-preservation or just fixate on one specific interaction. That’s most of why Scorpious has been giving me bad vibes— I don’t think the request for him to give reads is too big of an ask, but he still hasn’t done so for the past few days now.

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Another rule of thumb I generally go by is seeing who has reactionary play as opposed to proactive play. If you just sit on the sidelines and comment on other peoples' reads or focus on defending yourself, that's often an indicator that someone wants to appear as town without actually doing any of the work to scumhunt.

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I think you should read my response to that exact question instead of echoing someone else.

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Like. If you’re genuinely going through my ISO then you’d see my response to Retti’s exact question ~2 posts after. Your OMGUS at being called out is also kind of suspicious as well.

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What kind of question even is that?

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According to your logic, I should play like my first serious vote is lockscum and never listen to anything they have to say ever again.

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i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

UNVOTE: aza
I think this comes from town. I really don't see the scum motivation for this post and it seems genuine.

Who do you want to go on instead?

I sort of feel like moving back to Scorpious at the moment. Every point of his that he's brought up has been shading negative reads on him, and I can't help but feel like it comes from scum floundering and trying to preserve themselves rather than town trying to actually solve.

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According to your logic, I should play like my first serious vote is lockscum and never listen to anything they have to say ever again.

Show me where I said that. I’m asking you if you thought it felt off agreeing with someone you had a scum read on?

Why is this so hard to answer?

No, it's not 'off'. My vote for T3 was on page 2 and mostly to get the game out of RVS. Why is it odd to agree with the point of someone I lightly scumread? Do you think that I shouldn't listen to people that I scumread at all? If you think I should listen to them, then why do you have a problem with me agreeing with T3 about your post? If you think I shouldn't listen to them, then 312 is completely correct.

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It was hard to answer because I couldn't believe that I even had to entertain this question and that you were fully asking it in earnest.

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It was hard to answer because I couldn't believe that I even had to entertain this question and that you were fully asking it in earnest.

“Ask questions be proactive”

“

How dare you ask such a stupid question!!”

It was literally the same question someone else asked earlier that I already explained, that I simply pointed out to you after you asked, that you were aggressive towards me for 'not answering' when the answer was a given the whole time. You would literally find the exact same answer I gave to your question in my ISO if you looked.

VOTE: Scorpious

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I'll ask again. Do you have any reads or takes on the game that don't involve you being upset at people scumreading you?

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retti

Summarize the case on Retti for me?

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@the worst, Retti is town, just assume that is true, and move on with your day 1, together the 3 of us will find a scum today

that's a bigger problem than retti being scum, because i am not convinced retti is making an effort to form reads on people's alignments. that, coming from townies, loses games.

See, I think Retti is actively trying. Retti scum doesn't have to talk this much, Retti is questioning genuine stuff in reads, like me going "Oman town" and retti like "what was towny?" kinda implies Retti would SR Oman, and wants to know what they're missing, and why I see oman as town. idk, reads wise to me, retti feels fine (I do stand by if Retti is scum, oman is partner... but the logic is still the same)

What's the case for Retti and Oman being partners if the former flips scum? I might have missed something there.

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Then why did you mention it multiple times?

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I’m personally trying to assume the best of the Andante/Retti/Worst type group because it would give me a headache to keep them in the limpool for today. Generally agreeing to townbin players and keep them off the menu for the day is a good idea for the early stages because it helps narrow down scum by process of elimination (or worst case scenario removes places for scum to hide), and that’s what I’m assuming Andante is doing right now. I have townleans on pretty much all three of them at the moment anyway, so it’s not too big a deal to put it off to the side for now so long as they actually focus on scumhunting.

My opinion at the moment is that we should probably consolidate onto one of Egix/Scorpious/One of the lurkers. Ideally I don’t want to fall into the trap of ‘oh, this player isn’t around, so they must be scum’, but it does at least keep the game moving and remove places for scum to hide in the future. Egix feels kind of off to me with how they keep on receiving pressure (and lurking out of it) but nobody seems willing to stay on them for long, where Scorpious is an equal scumread for reasons that should be obvious to whoever’s read our interactions. I’m fully willing to accept the second as a difference of opinion/playstyle and come back to him later if people want, though.

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Egix/Scorpious/One of the lurkers

I'm not sure if any of the lurkers are scum for obvious reasons, but I'm 100% down that we take Egix or andres to the hole today.

Oh yeah, I admitted that I don't want to fall into that trap, but if we're not limming Scorpious or Egix, I think that one of them is the next best thing. I don't want to eliminate active posters that I'm null on when we're only on D1.

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I mean, the fact that someone that has said 30 words this game used words #28 and #29 to put me on e-1 should raise alarm bells, no?

I think it's cute you counted how many words dwlee has posted

are you going to vote for them?

I guessed.

No, idk. I really don’t.

This is the most gunshy I’ve ever been to post, vote, do anything. I feel like EVERY single thing I write is being just shredded and comes out the other end as me being scum, which is bullshit, because I can’t get any traction on anything.

Fua is a great example here.
Dude has ripped everything I write. Like, he’s spent the entire game just dumping on me.

Then he posts mafia theory about “eliminating scum places to hide” which is literally the same wording used in the mafia wiki..

Or

T3 and Dwlee sending secret message ls to each other after a horrible e-1 vote. That sucks.



I’m just tired of

I’m sorry if I made you feel that way about the way I’m approaching this game. From my point of view I was trying to be reasonable and give you a ton of chances to focus on scumhunting, I just got upset because you used ATE instead of answering the questions I was asking you and lost my cool. Who do you want to go on here? I did say I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt off of playstyle differences in one of my recent posts, for what it’s worth.

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Anyway, Page 19 is… really something, alright.

UNVOTE:

I’m going to read through ISOs again and try to figure this out.

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VOTE: Scorp
claim please

Hot take; I actually don’t think this is alignment indicative for Dwlee. From my experience with Scum Dwlee he tends to be a lot more self-aware and composed, and putting someone up to E-1 halfway through D1 with the intent of making them claim is kind of a normal Dwlee thing to do. Not saying he’s town— just that this doesn’t say a lot about his alignment at all.

Personally, I actually think that T3 comes off looking worse for his Scorpious vote since it’s just echoing what’s been said multiple times before and is kind of just… basic surface level commentary? I wanna hear some other opinions on this take first, though.

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lol the mindmeld comment was the exact thing that suddenly made me go “I wouldn’t mind a T3 wagon right now”

IIRC he did the exact same thing in the last game I played with him where he was scum.

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VOTE: T3

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@UglyDuck:

I looked over your reads list, who do you actually suspect right now?

Seconding this. It’s odd how he called out Scorpious’s readslist as scummy… in a readlist where he calls everyone on it null or town.

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@UglyDuck:

I looked over your reads list, who do you actually suspect right now?

Seconding this. It’s odd how he called out Scorpious’s readslist as scummy… in a readlist where he calls everyone on it null or town.

Please don’t misrepresent my list.

This is NOT true..

I was saying Uglyduck's list was calling everyone on it null or town.

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I feel like we should probably come to an agreement on a target over the weekend, if not a bit sooner. The last thing we need is for a lim to be rushed, or even worse, not happen at all.

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I would be okay with that if we can’t come to an agreement. Dude is literally not even doing the bare minimum and it’s been almost an entire week.

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so you think scum me would lie about something like a rvs vote? i did have thoughts on the game but everything about every thought was solely about andante basically and i didn't want to talk about that yet. that first post with the vote was the equivalent of a prodge post for me.

someone said i might be scum for the bad vote on you. im not sure why you seem to think scum me would be so nervous about this one scum read on me that i could've easily fixed with a little extra content in my posts.

I really don’t think that you’re scummy for that post in particular anymore— it was probably just a miscommunication of intent given the context and I don’t want you limmed today. I think Scorp was calling out Duck’s read of me as fabricated and hedging. Basically all of Duck’s reads boil down to “I think this person is one alignment,

but

because of (X), they could also be the other alignment!” Which makes me think he isn’t really trying to hunt for scum at all.

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VOTE: Uglyduck

Done.

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Week one of the game is finishing and we still have 25% of the players under 10 posts. Awesome.

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Unless you want to debate WIFOM and TWTBAW forever, yes, scum

does

do scummy things. That’s how we find them. Unbelievable, I know.

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Ehh. From what I’ve seen scum are much more afraid to actually put scumreads on their lists than town are, so I’m not sure. Might just be a difference in experience, though.

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Well. This is a lot to come back to.

Excuse me for a second while I catch up.

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Retti, just for clarification— have you ever played a game with Dwlee before? I’ve played with both Town Dwlee and Scum Dwlee, and I personally don’t really feel like this is scum-motivated play rather than town being messy and not caring about the way they’re read.

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Excluding Meta, can someone summarize the case on Dwlee for me again?

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Forget that for a moment, fua can you tell me what your actual reads are right now? Just in a list, no reasoning.

Town:
Retti
Andante
Worst
Azaariah

Null:
Oman
Dwlee
Natalya

Scum:
Uglyduck
T3
Scorpious

Not playing:
Egix
Andres

Some of these are conditional, though. Bottom three isn’t a scumteam so much as ‘the three most likely to be scum’. Egix and Andres are unrankable because they aren’t actually in this game.

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Sorry for not seeing your question in under 20 minutes.

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Bottom three most likely to be scum, and some reads are conditional. I agree with her on the scumread of Scorp, but her back and forth with Dwlee feels off to me in a way I can’t put my finger on. My read of her depends on his and Scorp’s alignments.

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Hey, I’m currently with my grandparents in North Carolina for the weekend, so I might be a bit lower activity than usual. Sorry about that in advance.

I feel basically the same way as Oman does right now. I think that UD is more likely to flip scum and that’s what I’d prefer, but at the same time Dwlee is still null for me and I think the way he flips could be indicative of the alignments of those pushing him. At worst it’s better than limming one of my townreads or letting the clock run out.

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sup folks, have had my eye on this game because of the player list
Just want to say Scorpious is obvtown from what I’ve seen

Why is Scorpious obvtown? I don’t think he’s done much to progress the state of the game at all and falls back on AtE every time he’s called out or one of his questions are interrupted. He’s a heavy scumread for me, but I’m currently chalking it up to playstyle differences for today and not pushing him.

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I’ve seen Scorpious as town before once and his play here feels like I remember it, plus just in general he seems to reacting to pressure in a town way even if it is strongly emotional

Really? I feel like his defensive nature and focus on self-preservation early on rings like scum frustrated they were caught early— but I admit that I’ve never played with him before, and that’s why I’m hesitant on my read. Like I said, I’m holding off because I feel bad about making him feel this way and I don’t know his playstyle, I just figured that I should share that I personally find his behavior very scummy.

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Do you have a link to the game you’re citing? I might give it a read through to see if I’m missing something.

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Didn’t you guys already have this conversation before? I agree with Dwlee— like I said earlier, the interaction with Natalya was honestly pretty strange and felt like grasping at straws to try to make up a justification for a scumread.

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i might be thinking too much but im willing to mislim town on day one because i think this flip gives good information anyways. the worse case scenario is just a pr out and that sucks but we'll still be fine honestly.

This seems like a very strange approach to solving the game. What kind of information do you think will be gained by flipping Dwlee as opposed to Uglyduck?

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Also, where is Dwlee using AtE again? Scorp’s anger at being scumread and excusing his play by saying it’s been a while since he’s been here is AtE, not Dwlee’s recent posting. Might have missed something from them, though.

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UNVOTE:

This is making my head hurt. I need to do a big reread when I have the time.

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dwlee-scum really is that obvious

i think this can be interpreted as

dwlee is obvious scum
really is that obvious is the same as is really that obvious. that may be an indicator for meta but it's also just a word that emphasizes something
dwlee-scum means natalya thinks dwlee is scum. maybe the dash changes the meaning. im not sure on that but i didn't think meta until after it was mentioned like that.

that was how i read it. i understand that it can also be read as

dwlee as scum is so obvious

but i didn't read it that way when i first saw it which is why i think it's a subconscious decision that is incriminating for dwlee.

That would be a convincing argument for interpretation were it not for Natalya simultaneously trying to use meta to form a case on Dwlee anyway.

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I mean, to me it’s a very clearly meta-leaning post, especially in retrospect given the context of her argument.

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VOTE: T3

I wonder if we’ll actually get some traction on this or if it’ll magically disappear again.

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fua/DW - lots of games together, yes?

One game where they were scum and two where they were town. I have experience in reading them.

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Never mind, it was two. I was misremembering.

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Fair warning that we have a single day left to come to an agreement.

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Dwlee wagon seems incredibly suspicious upon a second glance. Assuming there’s at

least

one scum on there, I feel like it’s just a vanity wagon that’s only still going to distract from T3’s. I have a difficult time believing that Dwlee going would be beneficial for town (or that they’re scum at all) given the opinions of people I have either a null or scumread on on or off their wagon, and I refuse to move my vote there.

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I’m almost completely certain that the T3 wagon is pure, and that’s where I’d prefer to go right now, but I’m willing to hold off on that and trust Andante and UD’s read on Azaariah since I agree with most of the case on them.

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Actually, on second thought, I feel like Azaariah’s flip will yield more information than T3’s even if I think they’re a little less likely to be scum.

VOTE: Azaariah

I feel like if they flip red, that makes Scorpious, Andres, and Gamma look a lot better than they do now. Worst case scenario this flip gives us a lot of insight into alignments through association and we get rid of a meat shield for scum to hide behind.

That’s E-1.

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I think an argument against Dwlee scum is that scum wouldn’t openly brag about starting a wagon on someone that they know for sure is town? That’s only one point, though, so I’m not sure.

Dwlee— why would hammering instead of letting people react benefit town at all? I feel like scum motivation behind that would be trying to stop further discussion and prevent votes from moving off of the mislim.

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I think an argument against Dwlee scum is that scum wouldn’t openly brag about starting a wagon on someone that they know for sure is town? That’s only one point, though, so I’m not sure.

Dwlee— why would hammering instead of letting people react benefit town at all? I feel like scum motivation behind that would be trying to stop further discussion and prevent votes from moving off of the mislim.

If it wasn't aza it would go to t3. If t3 is town then I wouldn't as scum because I'd get a claim out of t3. If t3 is scum the scum motivation would prevent the wagon moving from there

That’s a fallacious argument. If T3 is town it would still be a motivation for a scum to hammer Azaria before the votes can move off of them. If Azaria survives and becomes townread, that would narrow down the limpool and create a more difficult path towards the scum win condition.

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i actually don't think Dwlee's hammer is a scumtell. Don't hate it. If I could get on I'd have hammered myself if I didn't think T3 wagon would get resolved in time. I still don't love the OMGUS, but I'm not going to vote until I've been able to reread the last 20 pages with the info we've got.


Shame to lose the worst here. They were lovely.

I personally think there is more scum motivation behind the hammer than not, but it’s certainly not a direct scumclaim like Natalya is saying.

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i literally did not read aza's flip until now
VOTE: d w l e e

Explain.

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I would really like to hear T3’s reasoning behind any of the decisions he’s made in this game. Most (if not all) of his votes have literally just been him hopping onto an existing easy wagon with zero original reasoning and just echoing what others say instead.

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Not like there’s really that much to rebut in the first place.

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Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

This is interesting..

Azaariah did claim though.

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VOTE: Retti

What have

you

done to try to find scum? I’d like to hear your own reasoning behind the list you posted.

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Retti should be pressed today. Not arguing for a lim there, but most of their game has been commenting on other play and avoiding getting into any actual altercations.

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We’re literally not going to get anywhere by arguing about Dwlee and T3 for the whole phase.

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Maybe we’ll finally get that scum you promised you’d catch last week.

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Bruh.

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Is that our sixth replace out?

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If you want me to actually explain a read, then

ask

, but if you try to hold me at metaphorical gunpoint to do so on every player in the game I'm going to tell you to fuck off

Explain your scumreads. They feel consensus-y.

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If you want me to actually explain a read, then

ask

, but if you try to hold me at metaphorical gunpoint to do so on every player in the game I'm going to tell you to fuck off

Explain your scumreads. They feel consensus-y.

1. Consensus-y

according to who

2. Do you think that is a scumtell

3. Do you

actually disagree

with any of those reads? Do you think the game is headed in a wrong direction entirely?

If you can actually answer that I might humor your request but I see quite literally zero reason I need to be doing an entire song and dance for you here - I'm pretty sure I've made it clear why I'm voting T3 here

1. Me, which is why I asked.

2. Pure bandwagoning and opportunism often is a scumtell.

3. It doesn't matter whether or not I agree with them or not. If you can't provide your own reasoning for a scumread then it shows you're not thinking critically or actually scumhunting. It's just a simple question. You're coming off as way too defensive for one vote, is all I'm saying.

[fua]

I checked my own ISO and it's very fragmentary but T3 has essentially just been jumping on other people's pushes whenever there was an opportunity, every time he gets criticized he changes his behavior immediately - like when I thought his read were fake at the start so he just stopped explainig or just now when he got criticized for dwlee so he went and miraculously changed his mind, he tried to get people to eliminate the doctor on day 1 using a gross "mod meta" argument, he has not at any point had a read that did not feel like he was just following along with what someone else was doing. He's not scumhunting, just trying to kill town.

And now I need to sleep.

Literally all I was asking for.

[fua]

A hammer in five pages. Absolutely amazing work.

VOTE: Enchant

Explain.

[fua]

Actually. UNVOTE:

Didn't realize we only had 8 left. That's... very not good.

[fua]

Can you all not execute someone in like 2 seconds? I’ll try and actually effort today. I was waiting on the flips so I wouldn’t have to readjust my view of the game.

I totally believe this. Fifth time's a charm, right?

[fua]

I’m back tonight btw.

Okay I really did expect to be back yesterday but I have some time now so I’ll be reading.

Have we actually found the Scum yet?

I am in the game! I just have not gotten around to posting much. It’s been hectic.

I am Town though. So just relax and let me read.

I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.

I’ll have a Scum in the next 5 hours.

I guess we can all sheep Andres when he's done catching a scum for us

I’m trying! My problem is that I read too slow. I am trying to catch all of the small things and form a full image in my head and write notes and it just takes too long.

Anyway, until I fully catch up, I’ll withhold a full solve. Not that it would be any good anyway.

I’m back in a bit. I’m finally on vacation so I can read.

Can you all not execute someone in like 2 seconds? I’ll try and actually effort today. I was waiting on the flips so I wouldn’t have to readjust my view of the game.

Bruh. Saying that you'll catch up and read is literally half of your entire ISO.

[fua]

I didn't know Azaariah was still alive.

[fua]

You've had two entire weeks to form basic reads and your excuse is that life gets in the way? Sure.

[fua]

You had nothing to do with any debacle.

[fua]

A hammer in five pages. Absolutely amazing work.

VOTE: Enchant

Explain.

Explain what, i an last person you should question here.

What do you think I want you to explain? It should be very easy.

[fua]

It's not a trick question or anything. Really.

[fua]

It's not a trick question or anything. Really.

Oh, no, it's not blatant. Even question like this can be answered in different fashion, depends on how you give it.

If you wanted direct answer why i hammered. Well.

Why not?

[fua]

if Natalie is mafia, then everyone will be reluctant to do that and this unlikely will prove anything.

You literally just said what it would prove in the same sentence. Of course, anyone who votes Natalya at this point is either foolish, scum, or just wants to lose in general, but still.

[fua]

It supposed to be easy.

Dwlee99 town, me town.

It means i have 50% chance to vote scum on random just on this fact.

Hey, me too!

VOTE: Enchant

[fua]

Okay, serious time. Do we actually want to get a scum or are we just going to play random and hope to nab one by chance? Just want to test the waters here.

UNVOTE:

[fua]

Scorpious is obvscumming. Two of [You/Andres/Galron] are the partners. Solved.

VOTE: Scorpious

[fua]

@Dwlee Sheep me on this.

[fua]

T3 wagon yesterday was absolutely stupid and there's no way this flips town in a million years.

[fua]

The T3 wagon wasn't stupid, he was scummy and barely even trying to play the game. I only half regret it even now

Can we not try to speedrun MELO though? Why is Scorpious "obvscumming", fua, and why is he your most confident scumread?

Maybe I should rephrase that. T3 being eliminated five pages into the phase was absolutely stupid.

I've literally thought Scorp is scum for the majority of the game now and only agreed to hop off of him for the time being because his AtE seemed genuine. Why am I the only one who sees this?

[fua]

The doctor died two phases ago.

[fua]

I'm town. Scorpious is blatant scum who's never managed to gain any real traction because everybody is giving him a free pass for his AtE floundering and OMGUS instead of him actually contributing new ideas to the field. Other two mafia are most likely within (Enchant/Andres/Galron).

[fua]

Why is Scorpius town

Because no one cares to defend them. Scum is what, one mis-execution away from winning and no one even has tried to defend Scorpious much? Does that seem likely to you?

Nobody has considered that they're scum besides me (And potentially Galron, but I don't know what his thought process is) either. If I were scum one mis-lim away from winning wouldn't I try to go for an easier target besides the person that people are so staunchly against eliminating for some reason? Not to mention that I've literally been trying to vote for Scorpious for the entire game and any wagon on him has conveniently dissolved anyways.

You've seen me be confident in my scumreads before. I don't know why being confident in a scumread for the past three phases is scum-indicative and it feels like you're completely ignoring the fact that I've wanted him limmed for weeks now.

[fua]

Anyone who called Scorpious Town in the early part of the game if I recall correctly is dead.

...You mean the main priority scum had when killing the doctor and the cop was to frame Scorpious, with the person the vig shot being the last NK? That's totally why they killed UD and Oman and not for any other reason whatsoever. I can't think of a single reason for why scum would want to kill a doctor and a cop.

[fua]

I haven’t really played the game right, no one TRs me, I don’t have any influence, and I haven’t even finished reading every post. Do you think I would try and stick my neck out for a Partner on the brink, or do you think I’m more likely to try and continue the pattern so far of not saying much, laying low, and perhaps hope that a Town member screws up and votes amongst those that have votes out and are Town? I guess you won’t know for sure until after the game is over, but my guess is that I would have hard bussed and try and get some credibility by making some sort of credible argument against Scorpious.

Flawed argument. One mislim means scum wins as you said multiple times, and mislimming me means a scum win. Scorpious being eliminated and flipping scum would confirm the final two mafia anyway, so there's reason to protect and stick your neck out for him when you know he flips scum and that that would solve the rest of the game.

[fua]

I'm town. Scorpious is blatant scum who's never managed to gain any real traction because everybody is giving him a free pass for his AtE floundering and OMGUS instead of him actually contributing new ideas to the field. Other two mafia are most likely within (Enchant/Andres/Galron).

Like this screams Scum on the verge of a victory.

Nope.

[fua]

Emotion gets dismissed a lot as not alignment indicative, but honestly, that’s not true. T3 wrote that they thought Scorpious early floundering was NAI. I really strongly disagree. I think Scorpious reaction to being wagoned early in the game screams of Town. But what do I know.

Also no, considering he hasn't tried to find any scum afterwards or bring anything new to the table at all.

[fua]

Forget that for a moment, fua can you tell me what your actual reads are right now? Just in a list, no reasoning.

Town:
Retti
Andante
Worst
Azaariah

Null:
Oman
Dwlee
Natalya

Scum:
Uglyduck
T3
Scorpious

Not playing:
Egix
Andres

Some of these are conditional, though. Bottom three isn’t a scumteam so much as ‘the three most likely to be scum’. Egix and Andres are unrankable because they aren’t actually in this game.

If this is the guy we’re listening to, then we’re surely going to lose. 2 of the Null have flipped Town or are Confirmed Town, and 2 of the Scum have flipped Town. Yet where is the reevaluation? Why such confidence that Scorpious is Scum? Fascinating isn’t it?

Wow, almost as if this list was made halfway into Day 1 or something.

[fua]

Actually, on second thought, I feel like Azaariah’s flip will yield more information than T3’s even if I think they’re a little less likely to be scum.

VOTE: Azaariah

I feel like if they flip red, that makes Scorpious, Andres, and Gamma look a lot better than they do now. Worst case scenario this flip gives us a lot of insight into alignments through association and we get rid of a meat shield for scum to hide behind.

That’s E-1.

It’s also somewhat hilarious that the player they listed towards the top of the Town list is a player they voted for “information”.

Anyway, I wouldn’t trust fua for shit is I guess what I’m saying.

Wow, almost as if that was several days and 200 posts after the list from D1.

[fua]

Btw DW how often do you see Scum get voted up by two Town, and they vote outside of the wagon that has formed on them? Clearly what you do there is try and argue forcefully that one of the people voting you is Scum, and then if you get executed they get NK’ed anyway since they’ve basically cleared themselves. Why is Scorpious voting for Retti of all people?

Scorpious is trying to avoid being sussed by NOT doing what you've said and instead completely ignoring the arguments made against him in order to discredit them.

[fua]

Yeah I mean not willing to commit to any Scum Reads when at the brink and people are asking for your contributions seems relatively silly, and not something Scum tend to do btw. This is the sort of thing people argue that I never understand. Hedging to leave your options open makes sense in the early part of the game - you don’t know how the game is going to shape up as Scum, the Town are trying to figure out what is what, and you’re better off keeping yourself open. Late in the game? Under severe stress? You’re much better off trying to bury one player and going down in flames if it doesn’t work. It’s far more likely to not result in your immediate death. And on top of that, Scorpious is totally failing to even point to one of two players currently on them? Nah, I’m not buying it. Seems totally idiotic. Even if they were bad Scum, the Team would be coaching them hard to argue forcefully against a player. Maybe even fua. Yet with 3 days to go, nothing. They’re defeated, and Scum in this position with so little information favoring Town is not likely to be acting defeated.

Anyway, this is my perception of the situation. I just want people to at least consider what could be happening here. I still very much expect Scorpious to get executed and we’ll see if the game doesn’t end right then and there.

If you look at their ISO (which I assume you haven't) Scorpious has reeked of defeatist scum for weeks now.

[fua]

Can you go into why you think fua is scummy beyond "posts sound bad"?

They’re argument against me in the early part of today was a total discredit based on the fact that I posted several times that I would catch up and have not totally done it. But where are the highlights about me questioning the wagon on T3 (saying that I thought it was unlikely that Scum was questioning the Doctor claim), or defending DW? Nowhere right? That’s what’s called cherry-picking, and it was clearly done to sideline me when they can taste victory. Yeah I argued against Azaariah, which is what Andante did immediately after me with a long-ass post and a vote and they were obviously Town too. So we have all screwed up. But there was no balance there. It’s not like I haven’t posted at all. But they were happy to discredit me and not really try and consider my alignment. Interesting right?

2 posts out of 20 and they didn't really bring anything new to the table. Sure, I was cherrypicking because you waffled on T3 and defended Dwlee after I did, so that automatically makes you less likely to be scum. Sweet. And I literally have been saying that I'm not 100% on you, I just have 3 TRs (including 1 confirmed town) and you're not one of them for obvious reasons.

[fua]

Scorpious
Andresvmb
Galron
Enchant
Fua
Retti
Natalya

Amendment:

Can I have

Fua
Galron
Enchant
Retti
Natalya

VT here.

[fua]

Actually, on second thought, I feel like Azaariah’s flip will yield more information than T3’s even if I think they’re a little less likely to be scum.

VOTE: Azaariah

I feel like if they flip red, that makes Scorpious, Andres, and Gamma look a lot better than they do now. Worst case scenario this flip gives us a lot of insight into alignments through association and we get rid of a meat shield for scum to hide behind.

That’s E-1.

It’s also somewhat hilarious that the player they listed towards the top of the Town list is a player they voted for “information”.

Anyway, I wouldn’t trust fua for shit is I guess what I’m saying.

Wow, almost as if that was several days and 200 posts after the list from D1.

Nevermind, my vote on Retti for pressure was 350 posts and 14 pages after.

[fua]

Forget that for a moment, fua can you tell me what your actual reads are right now? Just in a list, no reasoning.

Town:
Retti
Andante
Worst
Azaariah

Null:
Oman
Dwlee
Natalya

Scum:
Uglyduck
T3
Scorpious

Not playing:
Egix
Andres

Some of these are conditional, though. Bottom three isn’t a scumteam so much as ‘the three most likely to be scum’. Egix and Andres are unrankable because they aren’t actually in this game.

If this is the guy we’re listening to, then we’re surely going to lose. 2 of the Null have flipped Town or are Confirmed Town, and 2 of the Scum have flipped Town. Yet where is the reevaluation? Why such confidence that Scorpious is Scum? Fascinating isn’t it?

Wow, almost as if this list was made halfway into Day 1 or something.

Side note: This was before UD claimed Doctor, and I wasn’t part of the T3 wagon on D2 because I was

trying

to reevaluate by examining Retti, which you also claimed is somehow scum-indicative? I’ve

been

trying to reevaluate. If anyone is cherry-picking it’s you.

[fua]

I also tried to reevaluate Scorpious by giving him several chances to explain himself (which he refused to) and agreeing to lay off for a little while by focusing on other alternatives and letting his stuff slide for the time being. So to say that I haven’t tried to reevaluate is total bullshit.

[fua]

Your argument contradicts itself and makes zero sense. You didn’t even read the note that the reads were conditional based on alignment in the very post you quoted.

[fua]

Anyone who called Scorpious Town in the early part of the game if I recall correctly is dead.

...You mean the main priority scum had when killing the doctor and the cop was to frame Scorpious, with the person the vig shot being the last NK? That's totally why they killed UD and Oman and not for any other reason whatsoever. I can't think of a single reason for why scum would want to kill a doctor and a cop.

Why is Scorpius town

Because no one cares to defend them. Scum is what, one mis-execution away from winning and no one even has tried to defend Scorpious much? Does that seem likely to you?

Nobody has considered that they're scum besides me (And potentially Galron, but I don't know what his thought process is) either. If I were scum one mis-lim away from winning wouldn't I try to go for an easier target besides the person that people are so staunchly against eliminating for some reason? Not to mention that I've literally been trying to vote for Scorpious for the entire game and any wagon on him has conveniently dissolved anyways.

You've seen me be confident in my scumreads before. I don't know why being confident in a scumread for the past three phases is scum-indicative and it feels like you're completely ignoring the fact that I've wanted him limmed for weeks now.

Nobody? Are you sure about that? You might want to read a bit more carefully what people are saying today before posting clear nonsense. Potentially Galron? They put the second vote down on a wagon that if you and them are Town and wrong, it’s game over. But they have maybe considered it?

Scorpious is a reasonably easy target I think. There’s a reason they’re on the brink. Sure, maybe I’m an easier target here. Though to be honest, sometimes you do whatever you think will actually gather votes and doesn’t seem all that inconsistent with your prior thought process.

Here’s where it gets interesting, and part of what I’m arguing. You say in a later post that your reads were conditional on alignment, and you keep hammering at the fact that the reads list I quoted was “in the middle of D1” (somewhat convenient phrasing but sure). It’s now been shown that you’ve been horribly wrong on most of that list, which should give you pause. Yet you’re insisting on executing a player that you have wanted executed throughout, as you say. Why aren’t you wrong there?

Galron has sent two messages. I'm not a mind reader.

They're really not. If I'm scum looking for an easy lim, why would I push for Scorpious instead of the person who hammered town 5 pages into last day phase? Or the person who's said nothing and is prodded after two messages? There are multiple better options and I'm voting for my strongest scumread.

I just... told you why? I've been considering that I might be wrong, but every chance I've given Scorpious has been met with disdain and apathy. I can quote the posts I was making regarding it if you really want.

[fua]

Also, did Oman ever claim before being NK’ed? Your sarcastic comment I think is actually factually incorrect. The reason Oman was shot seems to have been to frame DW. Isn’t that what Oman kept arguing? Natalya is probably Scum for that alone. But if they did claim I might have missed it. Someone can point that out for me if possible. If they crumbed and that got caught then surely that could be it too.

UglyDuck was NK’ed for their claim, sure. But my point was also a bit different. The confirmed Town voices that maybe felt Scorpious was Town have been eliminated. The only ones left are not particularly sympathetic towards Scorpious. Why are the voices left more trustworthy than the confirmed Town voices no longer in the game?

Okay, so you know scum motivations and the game setup perfectly. Scum can have any number of roles that allow them to figure out PRs and it's quite often that you see games with them in it. We

just

played a game with a mafia tracker.

Who do you think on the Dwlee wagon was scum trying to frame him? Because I've been staunchly against limming him this whole time.

[fua]

Do you think I would try and stick my neck out for a Partner on the brink, or do you think I’m more likely to try and continue the pattern so far of not saying much, laying low, and perhaps hope that a Town member screws up and votes amongst those that have votes out and are Town?

Flawed argument. One mislim means scum wins as you said multiple times, and mislimming me means a scum win. Scorpious being eliminated and flipping scum would confirm the final two mafia anyway, so there's reason to protect and stick your neck out for him when you know he flips scum and that that would solve the rest of the game.

Are you trying to argue I’m Scum aligned with Scorpious now? If you are, please state it clearly. Because not only are you wrong, you clearly are doing it in an attempt at getting your preferred execution through. Which means I may not be all that wrong about what I’m arguing.

Unless I missed something your point was that you were positing a hypothetical where you and Scorpious are partnered, and stated that the optimal move would be to lay low and continue not commenting rather than stepping up to defend him like you are now. That's a flawed argument because you'd know if he gets limmed, then it would solve the rest of the game and town would win.

[fua]

Btw DW how often do you see Scum get voted up by two Town, and they vote outside of the wagon that has formed on them? Clearly what you do there is try and argue forcefully that one of the people voting you is Scum, and then if you get executed they get NK’ed anyway since they’ve basically cleared themselves. Why is Scorpious voting for Retti of all people?

Scorpious is trying to avoid being sussed by NOT doing what you've said and instead completely ignoring the arguments made against him in order to discredit them.

What the hell are you even saying here? Scorpious voted outside of the two people {Galron, you} that voted for them. As Scum, that’s very obviously suboptimal. How they voted, and how they’re reacting to pressure (by ignoring the arguments against them as you say), are entirely different things. I would also argue that Scum are FAR more likely to put a defense in this situation instead of “ignore arguments against them”. With victory so palpably close, I find it bizarre that you think Scum would just freeze and give up here.

Scorpious has not exactly been playing optimally for the duration of the game regardless of his alignment (see: wanting to be hammered on D1), so it's strange that he would turn on a dime like that as well.

[fua]

Your argument contradicts itself and makes zero sense. You didn’t even read the note that the reads were conditional based on alignment in the very post you quoted.

This absolutism only comes from Scum. Zero sense? So nothing I said is remotely possible? You haven’t been horribly wrong throughout, and are pushing the person at the bottom of your list D1 even though that list proved to be garbage? Your vote for Azaariah didn’t come after listing them as Town with little progression to get “information”? You really do think Scum are likely to vote outside of their own wagon and not for the Town they would surely NK if they lost the 1v1 in this scenario, only to then disappear and makes themselves even more likely to get executed? That last one is possible I suppose, but I find it bizarre that you wouldn’t even contemplate what I’m arguing. And outside of me, no one is defending Scorpious. You can clearly see that. And unless you can convince a few others that I’m actually Scum here, I think you’re going to have to contend with the fact that not everything I’m saying is totally irrational.

You ignore the fact that the vote was with less than a day left in the phase and that the person you were defending was the only other leading wagon. Should I have voted for Dwlee instead of Azaariah? Or should I have hopped on a new person for a useless vanity vote? I voted with my townreads because I knew the Scorpious wagon wasn't happening and I wanted to give him a chance.

Not to mention that you didn't even form reads at all and have been lurking out instead of doing anything meaningful. I've at least been trying to contribute and solve. The first solid read you've made is on D3 tunneling on a single townie and chainsaw defending scum.

[fua]

Do you think I would try and stick my neck out for a Partner on the brink, or do you think I’m more likely to try and continue the pattern so far of not saying much, laying low, and perhaps hope that a Town member screws up and votes amongst those that have votes out and are Town?

Flawed argument. One mislim means scum wins as you said multiple times, and mislimming me means a scum win. Scorpious being eliminated and flipping scum would confirm the final two mafia anyway, so there's reason to protect and stick your neck out for him when you know he flips scum and that that would solve the rest of the game.

Are you trying to argue I’m Scum aligned with Scorpious now? If you are, please state it clearly. Because not only are you wrong, you clearly are doing it in an attempt at getting your preferred execution through. Which means I may not be all that wrong about what I’m arguing.

Unless I missed something your point was that you were positing a hypothetical where you and Scorpious are partnered, and stated that the optimal move would be to lay low and continue not commenting rather than stepping up to defend him like you are now. That's a flawed argument because you'd know if he gets limmed, then it would solve the rest of the game and town would win.

How is it flawed? Is Scorpious not the most likely person to get executed here? Do you disagree? Why would I not just hard bus them and avoid some of the scrutiny that is sure to follow?

You said it yourself; from your viewpoint, the two voting him 'would be cleared as town', which would automatically solve the game at this point. So I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't try to do something about that and act on your thought process.

[fua]

Lol, it doesn't clear you, even if Scorpio flips maf.

Yeah, I don't agree with that. That's just what Andres said.

[fua]

Ah now I’ve been lurking so everything I’m saying should just be ignored because it’s not convenient. And I didn’t form “any reads at all”. So I didn’t actually say anything about T3 or DW or Azaariah or Retti and I haven’t said anything about you? So I’m not trying to solve? And you’re “reevaluating” but I’m chainsaw defending Scum now?

@DW please tell the thread since you’re confirmed Town whether I’ve ever “lurked” as Town and whether I sound like Town or not. At the end of the day if you don’t think I’m Town here we’re probably doomed anyway.

When you don't bother reading for context at all then I think that devalues your points a little.

[fua]

A Psychologist in the hands of the Scum could be to help identify a Vigilante, but it’s a bit useless otherwise (and frankly, why? It’s a bit of a crappy role for Scum). The Detective? Also could be aimed at that in the hands of the Scum I guess, but at that point not only is it obvious there’s a Vigilante, they’ve probably claimed. It doesn’t seem all that useful, and then why claim it? It almost seems like the sort of role the Town would have in a game with a Vigilante.

Dude this is completely laughable and contrived reasoning - "he said he's those things so he must be real!"

T3 and Natalya are good checks. Enchant is not. Not sure why that’s hard to understand.

It’s kind of hard to check a dead person.

[fua]

I mean, I will say that Enchant is a good check because of the D2 hammer. Not sure about the logistics of two investigative roles when one has considerably less power than the other.

[fua]

VOTE: Galron

I think there's basically no chance there's 3 town investigative PRs in the same setup

So you think Galron is bussing Scorpious yeah? That’s basically what you’re concluding? So Galron decided to bus Scorpious with very little reasoning put out there, and I as the third member of the Team decided to hard defend Scorpious? So I go down as totally incompetent since my Partner is selling out the Partner I’m hard defending, in an attempt to set up who, Galron to win the game? Are you serious?

That was my initial thought

though it occurs to me that maybe you were performatively distancing from the scorpious wagon in the hope it'd go through, because no one had any reason to trust you anyway

In which case maybe it's fua instead of scorpious or something, idk

Absurd. I am distancing from the wagon that WINS THE GAME FOR SCUM?! What kind of an idiot do you think I am?

That’s actually a good point. Retti’s claim seems especially weird to me because there most likely won’t be a N4 to begin with. Why not put that out there at the start of the phase to narrow things down?

[fua]

I might have honestly been tunneled to begin with. Andres I’ll consider your arguments and reevaluate if you consider mine.

[fua]

What are the odds that I had tunnel vision on Scorp and Andres and the actual team is something like Retti/Enchant/Galron?

[fua]

I'm a VT

I'm trusting you because you got us here in the first place dear.

Actually it’s your complacency and defeatist attitude that got us here. As much as I dislike admitting it, Scorpious is right— LAMIST distancing from the game doesn’t really help anyone.

[fua]

Unfortunately people not playing optimally sometimes is kind of a hallmark of mafia. You know Dwlee is town now, so why not focus on solving the rest of the game too?

[fua]

I can always sheep you if you want. I don’t get what your end goal is here.

[fua]

I'll follow dwlee too.

And my axe.

[fua]

Everyone sheeping Dwlee99 seems.

Yeah, I was joking because it sounds insincere with how many people are following him.

[fua]

Also, why are you putting that criticism exclusively toward me, and not toward Galron, fua? would've had just as much reason to out by your own terms but you have literally said nothing about his claim at all?

I agree with what Natalya has said about Galron, I’m just not pushing it because I think making posts just to echo another person and say ‘I agree’ is kind of lame. I don’t have anything new to say on the subject.

[fua]

This town stinks and I hate it. Can I have a townread now?

[fua]

im kind of tempted to bet it on retti/fua/andres scum team

I can’t believe that’s what you took away from the interaction.

[fua]

Also, why are you putting that criticism exclusively toward me, and not toward Galron, fua? would've had just as much reason to out by your own terms but you have literally said nothing about his claim at all?

I agree with what Natalya has said about Galron, I’m just not pushing it because I think making posts just to echo another person and say ‘I agree’ is kind of lame. I don’t have anything new to say on the subject.

That sounds like a lot of bullshit. Why the fuck would you not care about making your opinion known on MELO? You're being selective in who you choose to vocalize opinions about

Okay. My opinion is that both you and Galron are full of crap and there was only one investigative in this game.

[fua]

VOTE: Galron

I think there's basically no chance there's 3 town investigative PRs in the same setup

So you think Galron is bussing Scorpious yeah? That’s basically what you’re concluding? So Galron decided to bus Scorpious with very little reasoning put out there, and I as the third member of the Team decided to hard defend Scorpious? So I go down as totally incompetent since my Partner is selling out the Partner I’m hard defending, in an attempt to set up who, Galron to win the game? Are you serious?

That was my initial thought

though it occurs to me that maybe you were performatively distancing from the scorpious wagon in the hope it'd go through, because no one had any reason to trust you anyway

In which case maybe it's fua instead of scorpious or something, idk

Absurd. I am distancing from the wagon that WINS THE GAME FOR SCUM?! What kind of an idiot do you think I am?

That’s actually a good point. Retti’s claim seems especially weird to me because there most likely won’t be a N4 to begin with. Why not put that out there at the start of the phase to narrow things down?

I might have honestly been tunneled to begin with. Andres I’ll consider your arguments and reevaluate if you consider mine.

Here.

“Fua won’t listen to me and consider my point of view.”

“Fua is considering my point of view and laying off the beef for a moment to examine the possibilities. I don’t like that and think it’s scummy.”

[fua]

VOTE: Galron

[fua]

GG.

[fua]

this just feels sad now because I feel like everyone bungled this endgame

I really was prepared to just laugh it off and accept the loss coming into the day, I had done everything I could and my team totally ignored me

Good game! This was a bit of a mess, but it definitely could have been a lot worse. Sorry for dropping the ball, Retti, I just felt kind of bad for town and wanted it to be over— and the game was taking forever anyway.

[fua]

I have no idea who some of these people are.