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[ben dover123]

God it has been way too long since I've played on this site.

random.org says to VOTE: T3.

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Confirmations received: 7
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If you didn't confirm you're a scrub

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miller here guilty on pan smierc VOTE: Pan Smierć

Why did you fakevote?

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Wait, is that a fake?

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Oh I think I'm clowning oops.

Apparently its "as long as I can tell who you are voting", so that vote counts.

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VOTE: darby
This is a serious and hard scumread.

I don't see why DArby's post is that scummy.
On the topic of serious votes:

VOTE: Pan Smierc

Spoiler: quotes

co-mod ego, have fun~

scumclaim

ok nice i fixed my sig

Why=fry

I dislike this stream-of-consciousness posting. It feels like that 'jokey' breaking the ice thing that scum try to do in RVS.

God it has been way too long since I've played on this site

Why?

Got burned out from mafia.

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Spoiler: quotes
Pan Smierc wrote:In post 18, redtea wrote:co-mod ego, have fun~scumclaimPan Smierc wrote:ok nice i fixed my sigPan Smierc wrote:Why=fry
I dislike this stream-of-consciousness posting. It feels like that 'jokey' breaking the ice thing that scum try to do in RVS.

Only the first of those quotes feels forced imo. It could just be a personality thing.

Ugh personality. I hate these kind of excuses.
I like guilty until proven innocent.

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If you're gonna do a RT at least do it right.

t3 town

^

T3
---------- purge line ----------
everyone else
Pan

P-edit:

Me posting intentionally scummy to get attention and move the game along: cool and good
Me actually reaping votes from it: *pika surprise face*

??? You have 1 vote other than yourself.

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Are you trying to self justify your vote more after a reasonable explaination why a townie is doing this?

I wouldn't call "purposefully acting scummy" a reasonable explanation.

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Klick is ???

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pagetop

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I don't like this Darby wagon.

Also smh IOnlyAskWhy really only asks why.

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Specifically, I don't like the fact that I'm not that bothered by his RVS vote and his naked vote but it seems that a lot of people are, which really doesn't make sense.

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something town me is really bad at is Getting Townread
in all my recent scum games except one i've endgamed

So are you saying we should scumread you...?

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The activity in this game is so slow, what gives?

Some people are just not talking and its making everything really hard to read ugh.

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Pan towny

cookie scummy

We don't need to policy Why because he isn't negatively impacting thread health.

Why is egix towny?

Everyone should post their reads because it only feels like Pan, T3 and I are interacting with the thread.

I'll explain stuff soon.

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The why policy lynch is defintely worth going fro, I have been in a few agnes where town dont lynch the annoying movekty act, and it screws town over later on.

But why isn't annoying...? I don't see the problem here.
And if you are town then your win condition is to kill scum, not PL anyone you think is gonna be unresolvable. Let night actions take care of that.

A. See how people would react if I put someone at -2, especially without explanation. sometimes you can draw out a bad faith take that way (scum can assume the worst and be more close-minded than town who will consider possibilities and ask questions).
B. Particularly interested in whether it got a reaction from T3 or dArby, in case there was a hero Day 1 solve in me. seems unlikely but what if T3 and dArby were scum, T3 did the obligatory distancing vote on Day 1, and then got cold feet when it started to get a bit of momentum. since my last observation, T3 switched back to criticism of dArby. but not convinced dArby is scum individually and the reaction seemed fine.

Nooooooooo stop doing RT's please. They don't work as well as people make them out to be. Also yea this was a bad RT that shouldn't have happened.
Also wait what I've played with you before? If I'm supposed to remember who you are I unfortunately forgot because its been 6 (?) months since I was last on this site.

I retract my scumread on cookie for the time being while I reconsider how this RT affects faers alignment but bleh.

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"You know an RT sucks if it backfires on you" ~ me, probably

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UNVOTE:

Spoiler: Pan quotes

Are you trying to self justify your vote more after a reasonable explaination why a townie is doing this?

I’m not sure if scum Egix would go directly to pans defense

To be clear, I'm not sure what to make of Pan. What you're thinking is a defence is more like a hedge.

VOTE: cookie

A lot of faer focus is currently on how fae are going to be read this game in a way that scum like to do

Well um okay.

Not sure? Why dont you interact with me then if you have uncertainty?

^ These two quotes are towny tbh

Also lemme pull up some stuff which made me think T3 was town
I know there was this one quote that I really don't think he makes as scum

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something town me is really bad at is Getting Townread
in all my recent scum games except one i've endgamed

This is the quote
I don't see why scum!t3 makes this point out of nowhere.

P-edit: It means reaction test, which is simply just baiting reactions by faking a action.

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The issue with the RT is that 1. You put Darby at E-2 for no reason and for no explanation and 2. It completely backfired as that RT was really scummy.

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I just thought that it was scummy because you randomly placed a vote on Darby (which put him at E-2) without giving any reason before then or after (at least until the gig was up) as well as RVS was ending at that point so I personally thought it was a scummy move. But I'm just gonna let bygones be bygones because the fact that your RT was or was not bad doesn't matter to me now.

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StD why are you so obsessed with getting rid of Why and not actually focusing on helping the rest of us productive folks actually find scum

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Although yeah there is a problem if why is alive at lylo but they refuse to vote
I don't know how the mod will approach this scenario

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This is so stupid
Killing Why actually isn't a waste because if they refuse to do anything then there is a significantly high chance that town loses in LyLo (given their ability to not vote)
but then again I don't want to waste this elim

For the people that are determined to get rid of Why: Can you give some thoughts on stuff other than Why now?

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can we not policy them and waste a mislim

TMI?

Wait wtf

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Cookie isn't scummy anymore but I don't think faer is towny either.

Why is StD town? Why is mozamis town?

Meh why do I only have T3 and Pan as solid townreads.

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Oh
Then Pan is still town fsure.

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I don't think his route here as scum is 'take really easy stance on Why', I think that has really limited potential as a scum position here atm. I also think if I'm wrong on this there's a pretty good chance we'll get him later.

mozamis reads as really genuine in his solving and I'm gelling with a lot of his takes

Meh it's true that StD doesn't seem to have a agenda, he's just super hard on policying Why which doesn't seem like a scum course of action.

Don't really agree with the mozamis read though.

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Edit: I mean that StD doesn't seem to be setting up any other elims either so he's kinda weird that way. A good weird though.

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I'm lost in this argument

Not_Mafia replaces IOnlyAskWhy.

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

You main xiangling or something?

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I know so its not much of a upgrade, but its better than just saying "why" all of the time

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Sorry for the lack of effort on my part, I'm obsessed with another mafia game currently but I'll be able to do some stuff tonight.

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Pan, T3, StD, me

Need 2 more clears and then I'll just chill

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Pan towny

cookie scummy

We don't need to policy Why because he isn't negatively impacting thread health.

Why is egix towny?

Everyone should post their reads because it only feels like Pan, T3 and I are interacting with the thread.

I'll explain stuff soon.

When did Pan become town to you? You say this with a vote on their slot.

What are you trying to say here?

Where is everyone
Egix needs to post some thoughts, I haven't seen anything besides questions from them in a while.

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Why is darby commenting on old stuff that he probably knows I won't respond to

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It's my scumday!

Klick can be town fwiw, I'm vibing with everything they've said so far.
I still think Pan's stance on the Why interaction was actually relatable and I've been there before, also I think their RT's are just really out of the way and more likely to come from town than from scum; their attracting too much attention when they didn't have to.
This game is so dead though.
Where has cookie gone to
VOTE: Egix I'll sheep this

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When are the replacements going to be replaced
This dayphase feels like it has lasted for years already aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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T3 why do you keep on talking about what you do as scum
Like I'm really getting paranoid about this

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When the game is this dead I really cannot do anything :cri:
I feel like the case against Pan is mostly just the fact that a lot of people didn't like Pan's stance on Why and not related to their alignment; the 'TMI' isn't all that scummy either tbh.

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T3, me, StD, Pan

Beyond these 4 people I cannot read anything else

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Deadline

: FROZEN

What does this mean

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I'm 90% sure that the StD/Pan argument is v/v, they both had respectable opinions of Why that didn't correlate to their alignments whatsoever and then shit went bonkers and their argument basically has been reduced to calling each other scum for the logical loopholes of the opposing argument which I don't see currently.

The only valid reasoning I've witnessed is Pan's TMI on Why, and Pan's explanation is a little wild but it still makes some sense to me.
There's way more to be seen for people who are taking advantage of this shitfest opportunistically.

LQ is probably just town just genuinely sorting and TSTBS or whatever you guys call that on this site.
Gamma comparing LQ to a completely different player Gamma's votes are not great either.
NM votes are boooo, we got scummy players around now so we should elim them.
I'm still good with T3 town but he's fallen off the board pretty hard recently so I'm not that confident in him like I am with StD and Pan
I have a feeling that Darby might be just dead air dead villager, because absolutely no one has been defending him until recently which at least cuts him off from any teams with active teammates
Meg's 180 on StD is bleh and not a good look, as well as their LQ vote.

StD Pan LQ
T3 Darby
NM Egix Enchant
Gamma Meg

VOTE: Meg

I'm glad this game got so much more readable.

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Oooo, top wagons are Gamma and Meg. This is a juicy EoD. Hopefully I'll be back tomorrow before EoD so I can check how the thread is doing before the flip is posted.

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I'm 90% sure that the StD/Pan argument is v/v, they both had respectable opinions of Why that didn't correlate to their alignments whatsoever and then shit went bonkers and their argument basically has been reduced to calling each other scum for the logical loopholes of the opposing argument which I don't see currently.

StD Pan LQ
T3 Darby
NM Egix Enchant
Gamma Meg

I'm so good at this game.

Newbie 2041 rerun amirite