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Ha, I probably did knowing myself.In post 1596, Dwlee99 wrote:Strange did you miss Darby claiming an inno on Alice and then flipping town-
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Here's a question for Gamma about this in particular, why do you think that meta is bad, or am I just interpreting this wrong? Because I think it does have some merit when it's done generally very well and things line up just right.In post 633, Gamma Emerald wrote:
this just seems easily exploitableIn post 628, T3 wrote:Town dwlee votes people 4 times on average
Scum dwlee votes people 1 times on average
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I'm sorry but in this case I'm with reck and dwlee that metabad-
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Ehhhh I don't agree with that. 100% of the time scum will have red herrings when it comes to trying to find their partners due to association. I think it's basic scum knowledge to have those always, especially if they do get flipped. So I think that of {Gamma, T3} that the other is probably a red herring when it comes to association.In post 1633, ChaosOmega wrote:
I actually take this back, lol. They both have some lame early distancing with each other and then don't really interact with each other. Gamma votes T3 in 1135 to make the wagons even D1, and then immediately jumps back to toxic in 1157. I think my thought with them being unpartnered was the T3 vote, but it didn't click on a first read-through how quick the move back to toxic was.In post 1631, Dwlee99 wrote:What makes you think they're unpartnered?-
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Well, I think last two scum has to be within {Gamma, RedTea, and Chaos} at this point fmpov. I find Dwlee's post trying to bait hard to believe comes from scum, (especially when I've seen Town attempt to bait NK off a PR, although it was kind of poor and was a Newbie game). As for who, I really don't know yet, so I'm gonna reread into those slots more.-
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Pardon?In post 1675, Gamma Emerald wrote:
what's this thing about baiutIn post 1670, StrangeMatter wrote:Well, I think last two scum has to be within {Gamma, RedTea, and Chaos} at this point fmpov. I find Dwlee's post trying to bait hard to believe comes from scum, (especially when I've seen Town attempt to bait NK off a PR, although it was kind of poor and was a Newbie game). As for who, I really don't know yet, so I'm gonna reread into those slots more.-
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I'm so beyond confused with this, can you elaborate, please?In post 1679, ChaosOmega wrote:Prod-dodge. Was paranoid about redtea, but with the claim barring any CCs, I think scumteam at this point has to be Gamma/Dwlee.-
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This was the bait and they only said afterwards, while that probably diminishes the point it’s the type of thing I’d say was a good attempt at baiting the NK and would absolutely fall into as a trap.In post 1553, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay this isn't going through
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Alright, explain please.In post 1751, Commander Shepard wrote:That makes things remarkably easy. StrangeMatter is very likely one of the two scum. Now just to find the other.-
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I mean I'm highly paranoid of Dwlee being scum whatnot of another game where my paranoia was completely correct but otherwise I feel good about Dwlee being town.In post 1863, redtea wrote:
gut says anyone sring dwlee at this point is a scumtellIn post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum hereIn post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"-
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Well here's the thing. I'm confident you and Gamma are the last two scum. Even if neither of you is scum, scum can't QH at this point with two members, leaving the game at 3 votes, and you at E-1. So, I don't see why it's particularly a bad thing to have one single vote right now.In post 1874, Commander Shepard wrote:
There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.In post 1750, Datisi wrote:vote count 5.02
with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).
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Huh. And there's something I didn't even know existed lol.In post 1882, Commander Shepard wrote:
Because you’re trying to exert your will over the conf towns and create a 1v1. If the conf towns want us to 1v1 then they will but those two determine the elim. By voting here it’s an attempt to take control from the conf towns and it is scummy as hell.In post 1881, StrangeMatter wrote:
Well here's the thing. I'm confident you and Gamma are the last two scum. Even if neither of you is scum, scum can't QH at this point with two members, leaving the game at 3 votes, and you at E-1. So, I don't see why it's particularly a bad thing to have one single vote right now.In post 1874, Commander Shepard wrote:
There should be no reason Strange Matter would be voting if town right now.In post 1750, Datisi wrote:vote count 5.02
with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).
There’s a reason why there’s fake voting in elo and it works. It’s because everyone agrees to it instead of trying to assert their will and we go one at a time.
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Okay, do you think I would use this chance to get reads when I've stated that I think the game's ALREADY been solved?In post 1885, Commander Shepard wrote:Fake voting is done in a simple manner when no conf town involved
You just use hurt or heal tags to signify who you would be voting while stating it’s not a vote.
Then when someone is fake hammered they have 24 hours to drop a real vote or it’s a scum claim.
With a conf town involved still fake vote as usual but if you want to fake hammer a wagon but conf town doesn’t act.
If you would hammer either wagon then scum is on one of them.
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So you're just straight-up saying my reads are trash at this point right? In the case of this game, I'm under the assumption with one scum out, we've got two scum left as MELO, which means if you eliminate me today we lose.In post 1899, Commander Shepard wrote:
Pretty sure I am not and scumreading you is not throwing. Now if you were an IC I would agree that’s throwing. If I was throwing you’d be able to articulate why. The fact of the matter is it’s demonstrated I am town based on the too many scumreads argument above.In post 1898, StrangeMatter wrote:Alright, I'm back and a lot less angry after hearing a player say I'm lockscum (and if you're town, you're literally throwing) along with a play I've never heard before as a result.
The only way an elim is on scum is if both Alice and redtea plus two more townies are on it. Ergo there is a scum in Dwlee, Gamma, and you. Now you can argue planned bus but I don’t think you’ll get very far as it seems you “had the game solved” before my replace in and that did not include Gamma bussing me. So good luck arguing yourself out of your self made problem.
At this point, you're just trying to end the game today as scum by attacking my slot doing obviously scummy things. Hell, this has happened before.-
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In post 1721, StrangeMatter wrote:Personally, I'm fine with either here. I think the game is solved at this point after looking over the people I think are town.
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Ironically I feel like this post feels kind of manipulative in a way. Also, I just realized in a way it seems like you're trying to prey on my paranoia of Dwlee being scum here.In post 1973, Commander Shepard wrote:
I don’t have an agenda. I find it weird that you reacted to a question about yourself though and not about camel which is the same slot as Strange Matter. I am pretty sure Redtea is town and scum is in you or StrangeMatter and it’s a matter of which so I am asking questions of what I find scummy about both of you.In post 1972, Dwlee99 wrote:
I also think this once again betrays commander's goal to have me mislimmedIn post 1969, Commander Shepard wrote:Dwlee how do you feel about your vote history matching up with Gamma’s a lot and Alice suggesting it’s you + Gamma?
Since they replaced in it seems like that was their gameplan because they knew I wasn't going to vote for strangematter so their only plan is to have strangematter vote for me
And then Alice dies and we have this post which I think once again betrays they have an agenda not a solve
I am mostly using this as practice to get my melo game better as I am pretty sure I will be fake hammered and then have to decide which of you is the scum and have to place a real vote first.You repeatedly saying it’s me doesn’t scare me as I am not scum and know the situation has been manipulated to make me look bad.It’s a matter of who is actually the scum and casing them so we have a chance at not losing.-
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1. It is a pivot, away from your lockscum on me in the last day, to switching to suspecting Dwlee a lot more. I'm just theorizing your scum play here, but it looks like the kind of play of moving away from the kind of obvious scum play of pushing (what it felt like) an easy low-hanging fruit scum push, onto suspecting either me or Dwlee to have your options open. Technically, we are kind of in ELO, (isn't it still called MELO though?) but there's the Babysitter who can protect (and we'd have another day) or end the game.In post 1998, Commander Shepard wrote:
1) I am not pivoting towards or away from anyone.In post 1997, Dwlee99 wrote:I thought I typed something up last night hm
1) Most of your posts have a clear pivoting towards me idea within them. It's a telegraphed way to justify later wanting to vote me
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3) There are ways I expect town to react and ways I expect scum to react. I expect townies to have read changes and not be 100% consistent because otherwise they would literally never change their opinion. But to me 1979 with 1890 (and the other times you said gamma and I can't be aligned) show you're approaching this from an angle of trying to eliminate me instead of evaluate because if you're town I expect you to talk about why your opinion changed instead of immediately shading me without acknowledgement of your earlier posts about it
3) This is correct. My opinions shift overtime. I did have one opinion at that time. Elo however is always an eternal reset button because no matter what we have to get it right. Alice's read was different from mine so I'm trying to do her read due dilligence because sometimes I'm kind of an idiot. Sunday I intend on making a big wall post and then fake voting if no one has because we really need to get this ball rolling and get some kind of discussion started.-
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What even is your case on me right now?In post 2020, Commander Shepard wrote:
I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.In post 2019, Dwlee99 wrote:You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me-
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And exactly what makes you think all of that is wrong?In post 2029, Commander Shepard wrote:
There’s the scum pointers of you being a replace in so late in the game and not enough backwards hunting. You being on the tailend of Gamma is sus. Voting when it’s conf town decision is sus.In post 2026, StrangeMatter wrote:
What even is your case on me right now?In post 2020, Commander Shepard wrote:
I agree with everything except the pivoting towards. It’s framing things as if I have an agenda, which I don’t. It’s actually much easier to make a case against Strange Matter but I am more concerned with what is right.In post 2019, Dwlee99 wrote:You're pretty much confirmed by role claim, it's between me/strange/commander. I think it's commander. I think strange does as well. Commander is intermittently going through the game and deciding if they want to vote me or strange but has been pivoting towards me
However just because I can make an argument you are scum doesn’t make it right. I want to elim the right person.-
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What I’m not getting is what you said about being paranoid in another one of your posts.In post 2042, Commander Shepard wrote:@StrangeMatter -> Those things are obviously bad. Not sure what you’re asking.
So couple of things
1) No one here scumreads you and based on the babysitter claim you are confirmed town.
2) Scum will 100% shoot you overnight because of point A.
3) This means we have a 2/3rds chance of losing if we no elim.
Instead I think the better option is to either go with who you say to elim or you give reads and you protect no one going into the night.
Admittedly this means I have to dig myself out of the hole scum have put me in and whichever one of Dwlee/StrangeMatter is scum well done but you should not be protecting anyone tonight.-
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Well, I think I'm fine with hammering Commander, though I feel like with how much evidence against him it just seems...a little too easy (though honestly, I don't really know if that is indicative of something). If Dwlee is scum here he played insanely well and I really can't be mad about that.
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