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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: T3
Me miller

[Dwlee99]

t3 is playing chess

this is true

[Dwlee99]

Hi Andante!

[Dwlee99]

Hopefully you're not a dog this game...

Anyway someone had me high as town why was that??

Have I posted much this game??

[Dwlee99]

Hopefully you're not a dog this game...

Anyway someone had me high as town why was that??

Have I posted much this game??

the mind of April is a mystery to us all

I guess it will stay that way

T3 can you pocket me this game

[Dwlee99]

I'm voting you so you better get on it

[Dwlee99]

T3 you haven't pocketed me yet wtf

[Dwlee99]

T3 you haven't pocketed me yet wtf

Dwlee your ISO is 71% T3 and 28% andante the numbers are concerning

Now it's something JEFF

[Dwlee99]

Norwee are you ignoring me

[Dwlee99]

Norwee said my name

[Dwlee99]

Norwee said my name

Maybe the reason why i barely mention you is because you’ve barely done anything worth mentioning.
Did you consider that?

Yes this is true
Do you think I'm town tho

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough

[Dwlee99]

But why

[Dwlee99]

But why

Are you serious? I just told you that a moment ago.....

I wasn't talking to you ???

[Dwlee99]

????

[Dwlee99]

OH it was all a movie reference

I'm silly

[Dwlee99]

Well I haven't done anything townie

Other than vote t3 when t3 flips scum

That'll be townie

[Dwlee99]

Well I haven't done anything townie

Other than vote t3 when t3 flips scum

That'll be townie

Why do you consider voting scum to be a town trait when distancing/bucing is a thing?

Anything I do is townie

So you do think T3 is scum.

Well now at least i know one thing about you.

I already knew one thing about Dwlee even before this game started: I can't read them for shit.

I'm flattered *blushes*

[Dwlee99]

Anything I do is townie

Ok, Dwlee can be locktown.

[Dwlee99]

We should flip t3

[Dwlee99]

We should flip t3

I took 76 minutes to meta ss

Exactly

Meta bad

[Dwlee99]

Wait y'all

I just realized

When people were townreading me why did no one mention I'm Miller

Seriously it was in my first post. Are y'all reading or just posting?

[Dwlee99]

Is it cause I was just a miller

[Dwlee99]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

[Dwlee99]

Is the plan to just claim miller and do nothing else?

Correct!

So like hypothetically speaking, If I was a cop, I should check you yes?

Of course yes. It would be a great use of your time Mrs. Chase

[Dwlee99]

Yayyyy SS day

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee do you want to join an A50 push with me, i think T3 might not be scum, or will be more obvious if he's scum later.

I'm trying to play a really good Miller game and trip t3's meta tell for me scum me rn. That might ruin it

[Dwlee99]

you should be posting more then

I'm getting there

[Dwlee99]

Uhhh

What's wrong

[Dwlee99]

Uhhh

What's wrong

Not understanding what you're saying.

T3 has a "meta tell" on me that he says I only trip as scum. I'm playing Miller so I'm trying to trip it here as well

[Dwlee99]

Uhhh

What's wrong

Not understanding what you're saying.

T3 has a "meta tell" on me that he says I only trip as scum. I'm playing Miller so I'm trying to trip it here as well

tbh idg why your approach to miller is to play like you would as scum, miller is not jester

It's a joke

[Dwlee99]

OKI.. who's next? I've got me some time and a whole lot of memes to post

Hey hey hey!

[Dwlee99]

OK.. you're move.. just hit me with something cool

[Dwlee99]

GODLY PAGE TOP

[Dwlee99]

Okay I actually still think it's t3 here and y'all are gonna let him slip away

[Dwlee99]

Have I ever correctly flipped t3 as scum? YES

Was it an endgame where I had strong townreads on everyone else and t3 kinda flew under my radar except as a "Poe" read for most of the game? Also yes

Okay so let's do this?

[Dwlee99]

We should flip t3

I took 76 minutes to meta ss

Exactly

Meta bad

Have I ever correctly flipped t3 as scum? YES

Was it an endgame where I had strong townreads on everyone else and t3 kinda flew under my radar except as a "Poe" read for most of the game? Also yes

Okay so let's do this?

this kinda thing will get a miller killed.

that's not meta, that's read accuracy which is different

[Dwlee99]

I view my read method as a collection of text classification algorithms that combine to give a probability read on someone's alignment. That this classifier will have different errors on different people is a very reasonable conclusion to make, and recognizing that isn't meta

[Dwlee99]

I think Dwlee's way of play here makes them town but i'm not entirely convinced about T3, even if i find the push endearing.

Yayyy

[Dwlee99]

Plausible story t3

Idk how to read you this is frustrating

[Dwlee99]

I felt like this was going to the fall wagon, and gamestate made its way through here. It feels like scum were okay with this going through, but most were probably sitting off of this one in hopes it'd pick up by itself. Scum not making any hard pushes this game likely, so this is actually lean town. their playstyle of not being around town feels genuine to me for some reason.

How do you distinguish between "scum waiting for other people to hop on" and "scum not hopping on cause buddy"

Also, I recognize all of my thoughts on the game are kinda focused on t3 rn

[Dwlee99]

If I didn't bring it up a cop may have checked me

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3

im alright with this. i think hella jeff is town still despite some previous concerns there. andante is off the table. they're just town.

Literally voting the top wagon with a bs explanation just to save yourself

How much do you believe this

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3

im alright with this. i think hella jeff is town still despite some previous concerns there. andante is off the table. they're just town.

Literally voting the top wagon with a bs explanation just to save yourself

How much do you believe this

The vote was bad
And azar is the top wagon and I’m the second to top wagon
So yeah

So how much do you believe it

[Dwlee99]

T3 I need this dialogue

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Azaariah

[Dwlee99]

T3/Azaariah give me t/s vibes and I think azaariah looks worse

[Dwlee99]

It's funny how there's a t3 wagon now that I don't think he is scum anymore

[Dwlee99]

Is that E-1

[Dwlee99]

i think e-3.

I'm not 100% sold on t3 scum, but at this point, it's a good slot to fade. I'm ready for day 2

And you think azaariah is town?

[Dwlee99]

April are you scum with azaariah cause that's a bad reason to townread someone imo

[Dwlee99]

Yes I've seen it

I mean, this is what you said:

I dont think they actively put themselves in that position as scum here because I genuinely understand why people want to push them, and that's why I think they're more town than scum.

Part of your reason for townreading them is you understand why people find them scummy

[Dwlee99]

People are always so quick to judge other people's reads, but especially Day 1, I don't believe anyone should think their reads are better than others. It is scum's job to manipulate the townies, and a lot of this happens indirectly.

It's funny how there's a t3 wagon now that I don't think he is scum anymore

Scum pushing a wagon, get others on it and then slide off gracefully?

I'm just happy to see you even attempt to form day one reads, even if they're ridiculous

[Dwlee99]

16 Minutes

[Dwlee99]

I'll probably vote t3 again on reconsideration

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3
Went to look for vote count and it was on this page

[Dwlee99]

Hmm

[Dwlee99]

Meh I believe it

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Read first few posts of ISO, can do this
VOTE: Holiday

[Dwlee99]

4 people jumping on with 0 reasons given

3*

[Dwlee99]

Unless you think someone on the wagon is scum why is it bad?

[Dwlee99]

Eh a50 is probably town here

Holiday should be the vote today

[Dwlee99]

Eh a50 is probably town here

Holiday should be the vote today

Premature VT claim is definitely > rand town. Do you think Holiday's reaction is suspect?

Yes I do

[Dwlee99]

It's just PoE, isn't it?

I don't think holiday's early posts are townie and I think his reaction is bad

[Dwlee99]

Someone end holiday's misery lol

[Dwlee99]

Please just kill Holiday

[Dwlee99]

Please just kill Holiday

You can be d3.

ok but you're d1 which is funnier

[Dwlee99]

Reminder that I'm a miller

[Dwlee99]

KILL HOLIDAY

[Dwlee99]

I'm really not a fan of "well worst case, we flip Holiday and Holiday really is VT" and the ONLY reasoning for the Holiday vote it "we don't like early posts in the iso"
I've been distracted lol, but I honestly still think A50 is better, like A50 is actually scummy. I understand all the "but we don't want everyone to claim" but like, I'd rather vote out someone I think is red. like if NO ONE has a good reason, there's probably no way we flip scum, idk I feel like I'm the only one looking at the game the way I am, I just really don't feel like casing people right now, but I don't see us going wrong with an A50 lim.

You should vote holiday

[Dwlee99]

give me a reason

cause I can just come back at you and go "you should vote A50"

I think he is scum

[Dwlee99]

Jeff can you vote holiday? Thanks

[Dwlee99]

And since i don’t know who Holiday is i’m not keen to give much reason to credit the AtE as townie.

Holiday’s reaction is very similar to the reaction of another player when run up.

And is this AI? Prob not

[Dwlee99]

T3 do you have a meta tell on me yet

[Dwlee99]

I kinda consider it a badge of honor if you can't meta me

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee give me your best reason for Holiday-scum in one sentence.

go

Their early play feels scummy AND their reaction to being pushed is bad

[Dwlee99]

T3 do you have a meta tell on me yet

Not
YET

Maybe in ten more games with me

[Dwlee99]

Those are different

[Dwlee99]

Those are different

They're actually not. "Down to massclaim" and all the "we have to avoid any more claims at all costs!!!" like the bg literally outed. so if something important gets outed in the process and dies tonight, we turbo T3 tomroow

Except t3 can't protect multiple PRs at once..?

[Dwlee99]

Okay but I scumread holiday

[Dwlee99]

Meh?

[Dwlee99]

Hero solve*: osuka, hella jeff, holiday

*no guarantees are made to the accuracy of such a list

[Dwlee99]

I got an Azumarill in my brilliant diamond playthrough

I want to get belly drum + aqua jet (with huge power) but I'm not sure if it can learn both those moves naturally.

I think you need to breed to get belly drum. Idk about aqua jet

[Dwlee99]

Not if you can lim them today

[Dwlee99]

Bye holiday I hope you were scum

[Dwlee99]

Do you think Holiday thought they were hammered? I knew they weren't and I think they knew as well...

[Dwlee99]

Unless you think I'm scum with april... why would I want you dead over them?

[Dwlee99]

Do you think Holiday thought they were hammered? I knew they weren't and I think they knew as well...

you going to explain why you think Holiday knew they were still alive or just keep making statements with nothing backing them?

I assume holiday isn't new, and I've seen people react like that as scum to being "hammered" (off the top of my head, Titus in June)

[Dwlee99]

Gogogogogo

[Dwlee99]

Osuka can you vote holiday pls

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your posts are so… basic.

I think my brain is completely fried. I am extremely close to Thanksgiving break from uni but I have a prelim tomorrow on the last day before break and yea. It's been rough. I spent all weekend cycling between grading papers, doing homework for multiple classes, and studying for my exam. Just got out of 4 hours of grading an exam for the class I TA for even though I have my own exam tomorrow to study for hahaha hahsbfb. I did get to relax for two hours at a concert yesterday but

Anyway, yea. Probably not getting the top tier dwlee content you aspire for until my break starts at the earliest

[Dwlee99]

If you have a general policy to never believe this type of "post-hammer" play then just say that.

Correct. I only begin to believe it if they're ACTUALLY hammered and even on that criteria it isn't 100%

[Dwlee99]

Like MAYBE if it's a completely new player reacting to a fake hammer, but like Holiday is experienced enough to have an alt for this site and I should expect them as scum to not be able to count and then act like they were about to flip town and ~totally believed~ it was a real hammer?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your posts are so… basic.

I think my brain is completely fried. I am extremely close to Thanksgiving break from uni but I have a prelim tomorrow on the last day before break and yea. It's been rough. I spent all weekend cycling between grading papers, doing homework for multiple classes, and studying for my exam. Just got out of 4 hours of grading an exam for the class I TA for even though I have my own exam tomorrow to study for hahaha hahsbfb. I did get to relax for two hours at a concert yesterday but

Anyway, yea. Probably not getting the top tier dwlee content you aspire for until my break starts at the earliest

Alright then. Also it’s funny, i’ve worked as an TA myself for a while. But now i’m searching for a new job though.

I enjoy it most of the time haha

[Dwlee99]

like fallen for it being on the "being fakehammered" end of a vote

Did you claim scum?

[Dwlee99]

We have a day on deadline. Won't be unfried by then anyway

[Dwlee99]

If you have a general policy to never believe this type of "post-hammer" play then just say that.

Correct. I only begin to believe it if they're ACTUALLY hammered and even on that criteria it isn't 100%

ok so why do you use fake hammers to reaction test if this is your general policy?

It's funny

Also I've gotten some AI stuff before but I don't feel like elaborating on what kind of AI stuff

[Dwlee99]

How are you so sure Holiday flips scum here if you don't actually have time to play?

You're also way overplaying my confidence with this

[Dwlee99]

Where does it say anything about how confident I am that holiday is scum

[Dwlee99]

"I scumread holiday"

That's your "wow you're so confident" post lmao

[Dwlee99]

I want day DONE

[Dwlee99]

No

[Dwlee99]

I would like the day to end on someone I scumread. This is a completely novel sentiment that I myself invented

[Dwlee99]

In fact, I invented it this game

[Dwlee99]

Am I not voting holiday rn wtf

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 1.0.12


Holiday (6) April Ludgate, Almost50, Dwlee99, Enchant, T3, Something_Smart [E-1]
April Ludgate (4) Holiday, Andante, Tracer.Bullet, NorwegianBoyEE
Enchant (2) osuka, geraintm
Not Voting (1) Hella Jeff

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-23 21:35:34)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.
Tracer.Bullet Replaces Gamma Emerald

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Okay I am, why are you trying to make me think I'm not

[Dwlee99]

Your scumread is based on generalities that are meaningless

And nah

[Dwlee99]

You want me to be super uber confident about a day one read without any flips jeez

This reminds me of something one sec

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Regrider
Why would "waste your fudge roll" even be a reason to scumread someone

Just like, read my ISO from here. Include loftwing in it

Spoiler: regrider flipped scum

[Dwlee99]

Like here game is totally dead, I want a Regrider flip, we go into night and then come back tomorrow. That's what's going to help us here the most

I have more posts than 9/12 of the other players. How tf am I absent here

You haven't intentionally gotten into the thick of an argument, you haven't been calling out things that you disagree with, you haven't tried playing the game until I dragged your unwilling ass into it.

Also, you like to airate your posts, shooting out short disconnected ideas, which would boost up your post count without actually having more substance than most players.

What arguments? All I've seen is boring mech discussion and Cyrus being Cyrus. Closest thing otherwise to an argument is explaining why a low poster who reacted badly to a simple push is likely to be scum and you thinking I'm scum for not having an essay level read on someone with 13 posts

Regrider please instead

What arguments? All I've seen is boring mech discussion and Cyrus being Cyrus. Closest thing otherwise to an argument is explaining why a low poster who reacted badly to a simple push is likely to be scum and you thinking I'm scum for not having an essay level read on someone with 13 posts

I'm not expecting you to have omniscience of the game. I'm expecting you to put your thoughts out there into the game more than you have been. You've basically said nothing this entire game, and are now getting defensive that you've said nothing this entire game.

And funny enough, you gave me the same crap last time we played

.

Secondly, VOTE: Dwlee
I'm sure you're a perfectly healthy and mentally stable player, so why are you seemingly unwilling to give a reasonable response to Wake, rather than playing this weird "I'm not touching you" style game?

That I'm not being reasonable enough or giving enough reasons. And I was town and we ended up hard stomping scum in that game with my help.

So maybe this method of reading me based on me not having super deep reasons to scumread someone (with 13 posts btw) isn't effective?

As above, I'm not expecting you to have a deep read on someone. However, I would expect you to have it if you wanted them dead (which you very clearly seem to do). It is not my fault that you've shown that you want a player with 13 posts dead despite not having many good reasons for wanting them dead.

Loftwing I've explained the reasons. Idk what more you expect from me on a player with that little content

Here ya go, I even grabbed some of the conversation for you

[Dwlee99]

God it'll be so funny if Holiday flips scum

Especially if you're town

That's the funny thing when town pushes me cause I'm just like "yea idk this person kinda feels like scum" and then they flip red and they have to sit there for 48 hours like : upside down:

[Dwlee99]

THAT ISN'T META NORWEE I EXPECT BETTER FROM YOU

[Dwlee99]

the team is probably just April/Dlee/T3

Wow you're like, at best 1/3 on this

[Dwlee99]

Is this some kind of joke where you cherry pick shit from your past where you were right and expect me to do no DD and just nod and believe you.

I mean the situation is the same...

I'm like, yea, person scummy, let's just kill em

Then someone comes arguing with me for multiple pages about how I'm scum or something cause I should ~elaborate~ and ~explain~ more in depth

And then I just go "kill person" and if they flip red it'll REALLY be the same

[Dwlee99]

Ur like: "check out this previous game as i liken it to this game for a point i’m making"

That's not meta though?

[Dwlee99]

Is this some kind of joke where you cherry pick shit from your past where you were right and expect me to do no DD and just nod and believe you.

I mean the situation is the same...

I'm like, yea, person scummy, let's just kill em

Then someone comes arguing with me for multiple pages about how I'm scum or something cause I should ~elaborate~ and ~explain~ more in depth

And then I just go "kill person" and if they flip red it'll REALLY be the same

Ok so why you pretending you don't have conviction if you think Holiday will REALLY flip scum

Where did I say that??

[Dwlee99]

I already find your explanation of "it's my policy never to believe fakehammers" to be very hard to believe.


You're lucky I can't use site search right now to see what your fakehammer history is.

I will never clear someone off their reaction to a fake hammer. That's just terrible play

[Dwlee99]

How are you so sure Holiday flips scum here if you don't actually have time to play?

You're also way overplaying my confidence with this

This isn't me saying I "REALLY" thing holiday will flip scum soooo???

[Dwlee99]

Metagaming:
When game information outside of what is available in a game is used to give a player an advantage in-game.

Touche.

Meta in this context is using a player's playstyle to read them. If you wanna call what I referenced meta then you might as well call any prior belief about scum tells / town tells to be meta

[Dwlee99]

Metagaming:
When game information outside of what is available in a game is used to give a player an advantage in-game.

Touche.

the only good post in like, 3 pages and it's a definition from a wiki

i will rid this world of bad takes.............

Are you trying to be scummy

[Dwlee99]

I'd would have

[Dwlee99]

I have never had a ton of conviction on it and I have no clue where you think I said or implied otherwise

You overplaying my confidence means you're making it seem like I'm more confident than I really am

So how is that an answer to where I've appeared confident?

[Dwlee99]

Like you suggested I'm super confident and I immediately said no I'm not, and then I ask where I said I'm confident and you quote that back to me???

[Dwlee99]

You: you think the sky is purple
Me: no, it's blue
You: you said it's purple
Me: where?
You: "no, it's blue" -Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Not sure what you think I didn't answer

[Dwlee99]

You're high-key projecting here

[Dwlee99]

You can't even explain what I'm dodging dude

[Dwlee99]

Tracer did you misread 1916 because I put the word REALLY in all caps

[Dwlee99]

Meh

Greater than rand but I wouldn't bet the game on it

[Dwlee99]

Smh

[Dwlee99]

Enchant why TF are you unvoting holiday here if you don't want April flipped

[Dwlee99]

There are two wagons. If you unvote one of them, you're making it more likely the other one goes through. So if you don't want April to flip, you shouldn't be unvoting holiday

[Dwlee99]

There's < 16 hours to deadline and your reason to townread holiday is bad

[Dwlee99]

Enchant...

[Dwlee99]

My body deciding to wake up before 5 was not good for me

Read 1943

Back to bed now

[Dwlee99]

it's one thing to push someone you think is mafia

it's another thing to push someone that you think is town

People pushing this line are being disingenuous about what April said or didn't properly read the words themselves

[Dwlee99]

i only have had two guy feelings about holiday.
first was a feeling they looked like scum who were caught, but were seriously annoyed because they felt it was or BS reasons
second was "ive been hammered and i pissed off and saying who go after tomorrow"

second feels more believable to me, but then again i am a player who basically beleives 99% of everything written in thread. as far as i can tell, the reason to think holiday is scum is either "April said so" or "theyve been faking it since the hammer" and that to me at least feels way worse than the reasons i think they are town.

But even scum who have been for real hammered will sometimes post who to go after the next day. This isn't a good reason to townread them

[Dwlee99]

Nope. I was town.

@Titus. Let's talk about that hammer. You knew it was fake, right?

No. I wasn't thinking. If I was, I see it was fake. I was in court at the time though.

Welp I was town. Punish Andres for the wolfy pop in.

Welp I was town. Punish Andres for the wolfy pop in.

You’ve had votes on you all day but I’m the one that needs to be punished? That seems pretty silly.

All you did was come in and hammer.

That also was not hammer.

Yes it was. According to the last VC, I was at L minus 2. You and Andres voted.

Titus has been executed, she was...

Spoiler:

Mafia babysitter enabler

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Babysitter Enabler

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here, you may also each night choose to perform the factional kill

upon your death, all babysitter roles will stop working

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Night 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-07-20 18:38:43)

[Dwlee99]

That's still not meta wtf

[Dwlee99]

Meta would be me calling t3 scum cause he didn't do the thing he always does as town

This is pointing out that scum are perfectly comfortable pretending to be town until mod announces their flip and I see it more often than not that scum will pretend to be town until they're dead. Believing that Holiday effectively townslipped by their reaction to the fake hammer is ridiculous, especially because /they are experienced/

[Dwlee99]

M E T A

And did you just ignore my post explaining how this isn't meta

[Dwlee99]

Meta would be if Dwlee did Site Meta analysis for how many times scum react this way to a fake hammer.

This is just cherry picking one example.

You're also probably experienced so that you believe this much in reactions to fake hammers is wild to me

[Dwlee99]

I think this is my first game with FL, exciting.

Anyway

Meta would be if Dwlee did Site Meta analysis for how many times scum react this way to a fake hammer.

This is just cherry picking one example.

You're also probably experienced so that you believe this much in reactions to fake hammers is wild to me

I'm reading the reaction of the player being hammered.

I do not believe fake hammer reactions as a policy - I analyze them on a case by case basis.

Okay so what was townie about their reaction to hammer? It was just some spew about oh kill these people

There weren't even reasons provided for the names he said

[Dwlee99]

I don't put much stock in meta arguments

made by secret alts.

[Dwlee99]

I don't put much stock in meta arguments

made by secret alts.

Why aren't you voting April then?

What...?

[Dwlee99]

Also how scum is T3. Holy shit.

Nah t3 town

[Dwlee99]

April/Dwlee/A50. Kill in there.

short

simple

direct

nothing performative

nothing lamisty

feels like she has an urgency to get the message out there b4 thread lock

Just got out of a game where a scum made the exact same thing, saying "kill player1/player2" before thread lock on an actual hammer

[Dwlee99]

Also how scum is T3. Holy shit.

Nah t3 town

ok who were you talking about when you said I was at best 1/3 then

April

What...?

Like, April is playing really agenda-y and informed and forced. If you don't care that that's his meta I don't see how you wouldn't have him as scum.

But mostly I'm just giving you a hard time for saying something that seems obviously wrong to me, so sorry.

I think April is mildly townie right now for their play. They could be scum, but I don't think it's more likely than them being town. The meta case on April was to scumread them, not townread them

[Dwlee99]

Just got out of a game where a scum made the exact same thing, saying "kill player1/player2" before thread lock on an actual hammer

you can have anecdotes for everything.

if I said something like Dwlee is scum because I just got out of a game where Dwlee was scum, do you think that's a good argument?

That's not the argument. I'm saying that at best, what you're pointing to is NAI behavior, so you townreading them for it is bad. If I can show that scum perform the behavior you're talking about as being townie with frequency, then it's not actually townie behavior!

[Dwlee99]

I would like the day to end on someone I scumread. This is a completely novel sentiment that I myself invented

Dwlee is probably just town for the way he’s talking to tracer. I feel like scum would be more filtered and careful, in a sense.

Sounds like you have no respect for big D's scum game

How far back do we go? Did you play with me back in 2016?

[Dwlee99]

Sure, one example doesn't, but I'm talking to my experience and providing examples as stand ins for my broader experience

[Dwlee99]

Get holiday

[Dwlee99]

Holiday should be the flip today

[Dwlee99]

Norwee can you trust me and then trust april by proxy?

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 1.0.13


Holiday (6) April Ludgate, Almost50, Dwlee99, T3, Something_Smart, Enchant [E-1]
April Ludgate (5) Holiday, Andante, Tracer.Bullet, osuka, geraintm
Not Voting (2) Hella Jeff, NorwegianBoyEE

Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-23 21:35:34)

Mod Notes:
VC is done by hand. Please let me know if I mess something up.

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Also, 2 hour to deadline

[Dwlee99]

Norwee can you trust me and then trust april by proxy?

But i don't trust u either.

but why not

[Dwlee99]

Norwee can you trust me and then trust april by proxy?

But i don't trust u either.

but why not

Your insistence that it's a good idea to wagon Holiday, but also apprehensiveness about the flip pings me.

This is fucking bullshit

[Dwlee99]

Apprehension? Do I think it is

possible

holiday flips town? Yea, because I DON'T HAVE A GUILTY ON THEM

Ridiculous how because I'm not 100% confident on this but still WANT this strongly over April it's "pinging" you

Also tracer -> norwee is a valid lim order regardless of this flip

[Dwlee99]

I believe the team is Tracer, Norwegian, and One on the Holiday wagon (if not Holiday, but I think we might be TvT)

I want this shown as my final reads if I die.

Yo same. Although maybe not the "on holiday" thing

[Dwlee99]

Norwee is it a fake guilty

[Dwlee99]

Btw, t3 should be on me tonight. Not going to elaborate why

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: April
Anyway, if this is scum I'm literally an idiot

[Dwlee99]

Norwee is it a fake guilty

Why is this your first thought?

If April flips town call me informed but I felt like you could be faking it just to push the lim through

Anyway, I'm bad at this game

[Dwlee99]

Reminder that t3 should be on me tonight

[Dwlee99]

Why the hell is tracer dead
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

So I guess I should reveal something

I was targeted by an announcing role cop

I'm not sure if it's town or not though

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe announcing role cop fits in the game for town rn

[Dwlee99]

If that is a scum gambit then I have one guess for who masterminded it.

Boring that you don't think I could come up with something like that as scum

[Dwlee99]

Given I'm conftown unless I just made up announcing role cop I'd like to be bodyguarded which is why I asked

[Dwlee99]

Like either the role cop is town and their flip confirms me or they're scum and being the target confirms me unless I made that up

[Dwlee99]

Like either the role cop is town and their flip confirms me or they're scum and being the target confirms me unless I made that up

And if made up it'd be outed by no one else being targeted

[Dwlee99]

Thinking maybe the role cop is town and I'm silly

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to think of the best scum gambit I've pulled

I am typically pretty risk-averse as scum

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Andante

???

[Dwlee99]

If I'm scum I'd have shot t3

[Dwlee99]

Norwee is it a fake guilty

So what’s your motivation for posting this?

Something made me think norwee was faking

The intuition just clicked for me somehow

[Dwlee99]

Alright i lost all mental power for this day.

I have guilty on T3.

Intuition tells me this one is real
VOTE: T3
You should check April tonight imo

[Dwlee99]

tracer kill is an enigma unless T3 is fake and decided that their life was not worth april's death
but that's assuming that any other scumteam wouldn't just fuck around with the nightkill because of the fact that a ton of people were looking to see what would happen (i think)

If t3 is scum he couldn't kill April without scum claiming

[Dwlee99]

You should check April tonight imo

If the claim is real they prob die tonight. And FL claimed simple cop.

Right, FL claimed simple, forgot

[Dwlee99]

I knew what you meant Norwee <3

[Dwlee99]

I'm annoyed at how good T3 is at fake claiming .—.

[Dwlee99]

Why wouldn't a third protective have counterclaimed yesterday LOL

[Dwlee99]

Why do you have April as clear from t3 flip?

[Dwlee99]

I feel like t3/April's claims could be faked together to give more plausibility to both

"Oh, bodyguard and simple doctor, setup checks out"

And then enchant fucked their whole plan

[Dwlee99]

Or are you saying we have 2 fake protective claims and another one that didn't claim?

I'm saying April could be fake claiming doctor in conjunction with t3's fake claim to make them make sense together

[Dwlee99]

I have a weird feeling this might be a traitor game

[Dwlee99]

Like tinfoil: scum rolecopped me thinking I was claiming Miller to inform team I was scum with them

[Dwlee99]

T3 LOL

[Dwlee99]

T3 why didn't scum kill you

[Dwlee99]

T3 is in my head so hard

[Dwlee99]

Like tinfoil: scum rolecopped me thinking I was claiming Miller to inform team I was scum with them

This fails Occam's razor incredibly hard.

I guess it isn't completely implausible but the simplest explanation is that a town rolecop wanted to confirm your claim.

But town rolecop idk if it fits in setup unless specifically to confirm me

[Dwlee99]

IM VT I WAS TRYING TO BAIT THE NK

> Tries to bait the NK
> Claims a role that scum have 0 incentive to kill

I would have murderized t3

[Dwlee99]

I'm thinking of this scum game I played where there was a roaming detective, a universal backup, a combined hider bodyguard, and a 1-sjot vigilante. Was very lucky there wasn't a guilty on us with the detective just able to live forever

[Dwlee99]

I would have murderized t3

Why??

See above. Will never forget that game and how stressed I was the detective wouldn't just die

[Dwlee99]

Does April seriously think it's me

Can I get a consensus on if we think the role cop is town or not

[Dwlee99]

Oh I guess not yea

[Dwlee99]

Given I'm conftown unless I just made up announcing role cop I'd like to be bodyguarded which is why I asked

Like either the role cop is town and their flip confirms me or they're scum and being the target confirms me unless I made that up

@april

[Dwlee99]

Why do we assume scum doc?

[Dwlee99]

since in very many worlds that doctor would've cced April on d1 (or today ..)

Also question: do you think two doctors can't exist in a setup? Why would they necessarily have counter claimed?

[Dwlee99]

Oh wait, t3 was hammered, shouldn't do too much speculation rn