Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[Dwlee99]

Aw I appreciate the faith in me

[Dwlee99]

You had me convinced I replaced in

[Dwlee99]

Both scum could be off the wagon but t3 didn't put who isn't voting in his vote counts and I don't feel like cross checking the lkst

[Dwlee99]

I think we should look at who avoided the wagon for questionable reasons

[Dwlee99]

Individual reads:

Me
(for math)
Conftown people

Math/Kyo

Salsa/Marci

NM

Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa. I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?

[Dwlee99]

That doesn't add to 100%

[Dwlee99]

I—

[Dwlee99]

N_M can you claim? We're mass claiming

i have a really bad headache i will post later or maybe not

[Dwlee99]

Wait, I clicked the wrong one

REDO

[Dwlee99]

obligatody drunk post

i have a really bad headache i will post later or maybe not

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee wanna just skip over N_M and claim now? Then Math and I can go?

No

[Dwlee99]

No he didn't. He claimed not VT. That's not a claim

[Dwlee99]

Oh wait I literally can't read. I thought that said not a VT.

I'm VT.

[Dwlee99]

I think scum killed Titus because it was obvious she was going to target me or omo that night.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then expand that theory. What does that mean? Talk it out.

Titus scumread me and omo. Omo is town. I'm town. Scum now need one less mislim to win.

[Dwlee99]

I want to mudder (sic) the cow.

[Dwlee99]

I don't know where the vote count is at.

[Dwlee99]

I do not particularly want to make an unofficial one.

[Dwlee99]

I don't know where the vote count is at.

What an acting!

Ok

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM

[Dwlee99]

T3 made a vote count.

[Dwlee99]

Not_Mafia, more like Mafia

[Dwlee99]

Kind of a PoE at this point

[Dwlee99]

Unless deepwolf I feel okay about Kyo and Mathblade. My vibe tells me salsa and Marci aren't both scum at the very least.

That leaves you

[Dwlee99]

I have different engagement levels with different games. Look at the recently finished Gypyx normal for proof of that.

[Dwlee99]

Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

sup

do you have, like, thoughts on the game today? where are your reads at

My head is literally empty.

well all right then

I killed scum and didn't catch one last night now what should I do?

[Dwlee99]

I can vote DGB but fmpov it'd be more of a meta thing than a this game thing which makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't know if <thing that I want to know if DGB justifies its play with>

My thoughts remain this. Convince me homie.

What is the meta thing?

DGB feels slightly off. I don't want to go into too much detail on it but it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing. I don't like meta much unless a player has shown they're incapable of surpressing their meta tells.

[Dwlee99]

^ that's the bracket thing

[Dwlee99]

I am fairly certain there is some kind of town killing role that did not claim and that dwlee was fishing because scum figured out it was likely based on N_M's role which is likely a protective based on his doctor softs

No, Titus was just scummy and I don't think the game would have two town killing roles. That's way too much swing. If I saw my hypothetical buddy was a protective why would that mean I thought there were two killing roles? I would think it would just be meant to protect one member against the babysitter, just like Nom/Vax's role in 233.

[Dwlee99]

"[Redacted]" ended today btw. Large Normal 233. town!Dwlee is very engaged in a 17p game all throughout. He didnt really miss things the way he does in this game when he says his eyes glazed over or when he said earlier he didnt read. Additionally, in one of the Salsabil games I read, Dwlee was scum and he had difficulty recalling specifics at times:

1.) I had a specific reason to be engaged that game. 2.) Me forgetting things is just dwlee-indicative.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe now t3 will believe me when I tell him meta is bad

[Dwlee99]

Also in case anyone has the wrong idea that they can effort trust tell me here's viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86525 and also the mini normal where I was scum and Kyo says I had low memory/engagement, I actually had high engagement by the end.

[Dwlee99]

Town!dwlee starts solving precisely at post 13. Scum!dwlee waits until at least the 14th, which is how you catch them.

^ that's the bracket thing

I mean specifically, what is the meta tell that you didnt want to go into detail on? I've talked about [redacted], which you said was a bullshit reason to be scumreading you in the first place. I need you to explain the <thing> now, because as it is now, you didnt have a strong reason to not vote DGB

DGB felt slightly off. It felt like DGB was doing a different playstyle this game.

[Dwlee99]

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

Ah but this is ISO post 10

[Dwlee99]

The thing in brackets was "DGB is using a different playstyle"

[Dwlee99]

it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing.

[Dwlee99]

I was pretending to be masons with him and I thought he seemed townie cause he was doing solving™

[Dwlee99]

Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

There's also this post

[Dwlee99]

I didn't find DGB's ISO scummy when I read it, but I felt it was off in a meta way.

[Dwlee99]

At the point I skimmed Titus' ISO, she had done nothing but what we now know were crumbs.

[Dwlee99]

My level of engagement depends on the game, playerlist, my vibes on that day, etc. I get into solving at very different times depending on all those factors, and self-meta makes me think that having trouble getting into the game isn't indicative of my alignment one way or the other.

[Dwlee99]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

[Dwlee99]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

[Dwlee99]

Your quoting of DGB's ISO proves my point. Around the post 260 point, DGB starts doing solving things.

And no, I didn't use meta to townread it. I don't like using meta. I don't think I ever really use meta. I said that from my reading of DGB's ISO, I would only scumread it from meta, not play. Your entire paragraph is divorced from what I was saying and have been saying about why I didn't really scumread DGB.

[Dwlee99]

There's another issue with your reasoning here but I want to see if you realize it

What post is it in?

It's your entire argument/solve.

[Dwlee99]

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?

Given that he has hardly posted? Yea. I could see him teamed with you, Marci, or Salsa.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation.

Titus did literally no solving. That is why she was my priority at that point in the game. I found DGB scummy only in a meta sense, and that is why I didn't vote there. Vibes don't match clearly meant teammate vibes, and no, vibes can't be quantified. They just don't seem to both be evil.

[Dwlee99]

No, I didn't not vote DGB for meta reasons. Didn't read the rest cause I assume the rest of it is based on that

[Dwlee99]

Are you going to address that I didn't not vote DGB for meta reasons?

[Dwlee99]

I wasn't townreading DGB.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not doing this BS where you just brush over one part of your case that doesn't match up and come up with something new. It's exactly what Chaos did and if I didn't just push a mislim through in that game I'd be sure you're scum for this

[Dwlee99]

Vibes don't match clearly meant teammate vibes, and no, vibes can't be quantified. They just don't seem to both be evil.

[Dwlee99]

When you said match I thought you meant does it seem like he has teammate vibes with anyone else. That's different from how Marci and Salsa I think have not teammate vibes. I don't know what you're trying to do here pointing out I don't have a "good" reason to think they're not teamed. I just don't.

And in your last paragraph, you say I'm slipping into not scumreading one of them... How is that not in line with what I've already said? My individual reads list has salsa and Marci on the same tier. The only person below them is NM. Unless you think I think there's only one scum left?

Restated, I've said I think one of them in town. In fact, my gut tells me you're a deepwolf and that neither of them are evil. I want a NM flip though.

[Dwlee99]

Like, if I was scum, I'd just pull up their ISOs, point to some interaction, and say I think they aren't aligned. My vibe read is more of a game state read than it is a specific player read.

[Dwlee99]

@Math

Conftown people

Math

Salsa/Marci/Kyo

NM

But I am admittedly inclined to scumread anyone who pushes me so maybe I'm letting that color my read of Kyo here. I just find this push ridiculous. How many ways can you misinterpret and twist my words? And again, the only reason I'm not more sure is because a town player did this to me in 233.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so it's final 4 of you, Kyo, salsa, Marci. Then there's a no lim and you're off limits to kill for some reason.

I think Kyo would kill Marci because she could paint Salsa as DGB/NM's teammate pretty easily due to the lack of focus that I think Salsa has shown in sorting those slots.

I think Salsa would kill Kyo because Marci is an easier flip. But maybe she WIFOMs it and kills Marci now that I'm saying this.

I think Marci would kill Kyo for the same reasons Kyo would kill Marci. Salsa seems like an easy flip here.

That's what I think in that scenario, but I think you would be night killed if this actually played out because it gives way less info as to who is scum and keeps two townies able to be eliminated.

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to die tyvm

[Dwlee99]

Why not? If you die and town wins who cares?

It's a waste of an elimination

[Dwlee99]

You're staking the game on at least two people being town.

[Dwlee99]

I think NM > Salsa > Kyo wins right now (assuming NM flips scum)

[Dwlee99]

When I wrote the "who people would kill" post I think salsa has a decent chance of being teamed with NM.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not comfortable betting the game on you picking among three people.

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather be there to help decide

[Dwlee99]

You'll be there too still y'know

[Dwlee99]

It's more anti-town to let myself die

[Dwlee99]

Let's assume we get a scum flip from NM, remove me from the PoE, you can pick in those three that day just fine. Because those are still the three that will be there the next day to eliminate too.

[Dwlee99]

Restated, I've said I think one of them in town. In fact, my gut tells me you're a deepwolf and that neither of them are evil. I want a NM flip though.

have u been pushing for a not_mafia elim..? i dont remember seeing it

Maybe not pushing per se but I've had him at the bottom of my reads for a while.

I think NM > Salsa > Kyo wins right now (assuming NM flips scum)

whyd u not include me at all?

We don't get that many eliminations cause Titus killed the blue cow.

[Dwlee99]

ok im going to preface this with saying i do not believe there is any reality where kyo flips wolf here. im not going to entertain any theories involving flipping her and i really do not see how kyos positioning at EoD ever is scum alongside Goofball. feel free to argue but this is something i'll remain firm on.

I agree that today she shouldn't be the flip, but I feel like the hard bus day one thing is totally possible and if NM flips scum, her push on me looks really bad. Look into her case against me as if NM was confirmed scum and tell me what you think.

[Dwlee99]

I've seen scum do that sort of hard bus before. Look at Yggdrasil for instance. LLD suddenly hard bussed Anya when the other wagon was town.

Now that's just to say it's possible. If the mafia are somehow aware that the game is low-investigative power, doing a bus like this for towncred could be extremely helpful.

And that also isn't to say that NM!scum implies Kyo!scum, but that I think the possibility of Kyo!scum goes up if NM is because of her implicit defense of him here. If you'll notice, Kyo began by pushing me and NM as a team. But Kyo never really mentioned NM in this argument, and sort of took it for granted that he would flip red. That is beneficial for two reasons if NM and her are buddies: if she can mislim me today, then tomorrow there is less credibility for a NM flip because it's sort of policy at this point, the team theory of me and NM fell through, and people don't like policy eliminating in MELO.

On the other hand, if NM flips red today, Kyo can point to her partner theory to get me flipped tomorrow and put her in MELO.

[Dwlee99]

Also just wanted to say that part of her scumread seemed to be sort of based on NM!scum (this is just from memory but I remember her saying she doesn't think I'm teamed with other people) but her priority is flipping me, rather than the slot she also thinks is evil that should help determine my alignment.

[Dwlee99]

Asking a vigilante to shoot someone isn't role fishing.

[Dwlee99]

Your theory makes no sense because even if I was evil and we had a protecting role, I would never think there was a vigilante AND a babysitter. I thought Titus' play was scummy, and she could have been a scum babysitter. I thought that if there was a vigilante it would make sense for there to be a scum babysitter, because it isn't a town-only role.

[Dwlee99]

There are no inconsistencies with how I handled DGB. No, I didn't read their ISO with your specific post in mind. I don't even know if anyone did that. I gave its ISO a skin, and came away with more to like than I felt with Roden or Titus. Yea, the solving there isn't some amazing towniness. I never said it was. It was just better than I felt about other slots in the game, and you going from "DGB's ISO was just as empty as Titus' " to "Well DGB's solviness could be faked" is exactly the BS I called out earlier. This kind of argumentative style / reading style whatever you want to call it should lock scum because you aren't trying to sort me, you're forcing a narrative. But apparently it's not cause grumble grumble chaos.

Yes, I have vibes that Marci and Salsa aren't teamed. I'm not a hard logic player, I get gut feelings and sometimes I even have a dream that I remember only as "these people are evil." If I wanted to fake a reason to think they aren't teamed, I would. I just think vibes though.

And you think I'm evil for using a new word. I think I have about ten completed games on site since becoming an adult. I have not used my whole vocabulary. (Bet I've never used the word vocabulary in a game either)

I can't comment on Salsa's actions, and I think using that to scumread me with pre-flip associatives is atrocious.

Killing someone for VCA is awful play as well. I'm not informed of who is evil, my vote patterns will probably be as bad or worse than random.

Your defense here of NM is awful as well. That slot needs to go. He is literally doing nothing and I'm not letting him get to MELO.

[Dwlee99]

That whole post is a scum case on me, is it not?

[Dwlee99]

Your whole point about Salsa was that she looked like she was distancing from me.

[Dwlee99]

NM needs to go today. I agree people should still contribute but this day should not end on anything but killing him.

[Dwlee99]

I think theater can be helpful in looking for alignment

[Dwlee99]

What's your plan for when I flip town Kyo? Then you'll kill the person doing nothing that you don't feel strongly about being town one way or the other?

[Dwlee99]

My issue is what if salsa AND Marci are town and you're deepwolf. I think I trust math enough. If he is scum he is doing a really good job buddying me. Math!scum wins the game if I die anyway because you said you wouldn't kill him unless I flip red, which I'm not going to. But fmpov I think NM + Salsa or NM + Kyo are possible. So I think it is best to kill the common link there.

[Dwlee99]

But my lizard brain says what about a Kyo, NM team.

[Dwlee99]

My entire PoE is voting me

[Dwlee99]

Town case: I wouldn't have made the Titus kill unless I had some form of night protection.

[Dwlee99]

I think NM is at E-2 rn.

[Dwlee99]

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).

[Dwlee99]

Wow I despise meta

[Dwlee99]

Y'know that townie person that we think is town based on play? Yeah well this misplaced punctuation actually tells us that he is evil

[Dwlee99]

Please just kill the cow
Please
Please

[Dwlee99]

Smell grass

[Dwlee99]

*chants*
Kill the cow
Kill the cow
Kill the cow

[Dwlee99]

That you thought it is alignment indicative ever is questionable

[Dwlee99]

Questionable doesn't mean scum-indicative or I would have said so

[Dwlee99]

Metabad

[Dwlee99]

I don't care about meta. NM has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's steak time

[Dwlee99]

Egg time because I'm Greg the egg from a different game. Ik what you mean though and I don't think Kyo meant it like that

[Dwlee99]

Not scummy though -> (ツ) <-

[Dwlee99]

Yes NM is my partner and that is why I've spent the whole day saying we need to kill him instead of thinking about Salsa/Marci or pushing those where I could have taken the stance they could be teamed easily.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dwlee

i think

I don't even care how scummy I may seem, if I enter the dead thread and NM is mafia I'm pouring cactus on any town who voted for me.

[Dwlee99]

If vig exists kill NM please now that we are on evens.

[Dwlee99]

Or... We could kill NM today. Because probably no vigilante and he isn't even trying

[Dwlee99]

I'm okay killing Salsa because I think she has equity as an NM partner, but I'd still prefer to kill NM.

[Dwlee99]

Kill cow

[Dwlee99]

I know it is in his signature but if he is town I'm down to just policy eliminate him every game I'm in.

[Dwlee99]

There is still 22 hours of deadline.

[Dwlee99]

The one thing giving me pause on is would scum!Kyo be that obvious there? Too scummy to be scum?

[Dwlee99]

I would never kill Titus N2 there. The "not mafia is a jailkeeper and protected dwlee" theory is dead now.

[Dwlee99]

I would never kill Titus N2 there. The "not mafia is a jailkeeper and protected dwlee" theory is dead now.

Did I say that?

I thought so? You were saying NM could be a scum! jailkeeper with me and maybe I just extrapolated from that that it would explain the Titus kill if I was mafia?

[Dwlee99]

Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.

[Dwlee99]

bestie i think if it gets down to 4 people no limming will cause town to lose prob LOL

??

[Dwlee99]

I am still fine with Salsa today I think.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo's case seems convincing, I'm just trying to figure out if it is another max case.

[Dwlee99]

Salsa, you can say that you would be more invested but in what way?

[Dwlee99]

Any update on how reading is going?

[Dwlee99]

What is similar from Boxxy's read in that game to Roden's here? I don't think there are any similarities. Boxxy's point was that I flip-flopped on him extremely easily to join the wagon on him, and I only hammered Cyrus because it was going to happen anyway. Both things were true. Roden's posts you quoted were mostly about me not explicitly explaining why his interpretation of my post was wrong.

[Dwlee99]

Yes it was the flip-flop that I thought was accurate.

I will just reiterate that I would never kill Titus there because I think I was just as likely her shot as Omo was. I think that kill should basically locktown me.

I think I agree with your order @Math, it's the same as my order from yesterday, I think I'm just a little concerned about Marci maybe? She ~feels~ town and I think so does Kyo, which makes me think we just win off of killing Salsa, but if we are wrong on Salsa I'll be confused.

[Dwlee99]

I definitely agree with ending today on Salsa.

[Dwlee99]

Intent to hammer, anything anyone wants to say before I do that?

[Dwlee99]

Is that scum claim

[Dwlee99]

If that were the case you'd be hammered...

[Dwlee99]

Still waiting for Marci and Manatee.

Very confused why salsa is proposing teams of 2 left right now when I'm pretty sure yesterday with three people I could have been hammered if that were the case.

[Dwlee99]

That video is unavailable in my country

[Dwlee99]

What

That isn't modkillable.

I'm also not a jerk.

[Dwlee99]

If you're town why would you self hammer? Hope the "kidding" is kidding.

[Dwlee99]

Oh that makes more sense.

Huh we turned that around from scum reading basically none of the mafia team to winning kinda cleanly. Nice

[Dwlee99]

Last time that I said something like "I townread everyone but this one person so we will win" I was wrong oof

[Dwlee99]

She said she's your traitor is that true

[Dwlee99]

She is evil and you're evil with her

[Dwlee99]

Well Kyo...

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: No Lim

?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think they no lim. That's unsportsmanlike

[Dwlee99]

No kill*

[Dwlee99]

It's mod discretion. I don't think one no-kill qualifies for it.

[Dwlee99]

Unless t3 determines that I guess.

[Dwlee99]

Hey look, if you die I still have a 50% chance of getting it right. :^)

[Dwlee99]

@scum night kill someone thanks

[Dwlee99]

Is that day AND night or day OR night.

[Dwlee99]

If the latter, ie, games ends if we no lim, then there is no kill, then no lim, I'm voting no lim if the mafia no kills so if mafia wants to win they need to kill.

[Dwlee99]

I think we should give no lim a shot.

I see what you did there

[Dwlee99]

@T3 isn't no lim hammered?

[Dwlee99]

*jeopardy music plays*

[Dwlee99]

Agreed @kyo

[Dwlee99]

What's on your mind

[Dwlee99]

Well why did you not move your vote ever?

[Dwlee99]

But didn't you vote and stay on before DGB replaced in?

[Dwlee99]

But what about him

[Dwlee99]

I'm not seeing it in his ISO

[Dwlee99]

I guess so

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: no Lim
Please

[Dwlee99]

I don't have anything

[Dwlee99]

Okay so like

I think one of you fucked up.

Which one was it

[Dwlee99]

I'll hold my tongue for now

[Dwlee99]

Lol you should be telling me why it's math tbh

[Dwlee99]

But like since you asked, if it was me I don't kill Marci there. I just kill math and vote Marci tomorrow. You and Marci cross voting would be completely inevitable imo

My thoughts on the matter were: if math dies, I kill Marci. If I die, it's probably Math but I'm dead so can't do anything about it, cause somewhere along the way I realized I think Kyo is town. I didn't really prepare for this situation though, and Math!scum screwed up by not killing me, and Kyo!scum screwed up by not killing Math.

[Dwlee99]

Not hammering so math is gonna cross vote here and then I just need to figure out how long I want to take to decide this

[Dwlee99]

I don't know why both math and me are alive and it's fucking me up

[Dwlee99]

See but if scum!Kyo killed you then I would have just instavoted Marci cause I had already decided last night. I'm going to CVS lol

[Dwlee99]

How do I know your scum game?

[Dwlee99]

I thought this was my first game with you in years.

[Dwlee99]

Five years ago. I don't even remember what I ate last week lol

[Dwlee99]

Kyo why were you so against an NM lim before?

[Dwlee99]

Oml if the mafia planned to crumb cop and doctor that'd be so funny

[Dwlee99]

Saudade's early interactions are basically all with mafia that's so wack

[Dwlee99]

Dead thread rn:

Spoiler:

[Dwlee99]

NM was scum by PoE.

[Dwlee99]

I mean the PoE was cause I had a gamestate read of not salsa/Marci and not you/math and I didn't think you or math made sense with salsa or Marci, so then NM is just evil.

[Dwlee99]

But also I just woke up from a nap and had a dream Math was the final scum

[Dwlee99]

Waiting for the wall and not voting based on the dream even though I want to.

I had a question and it evaded my mind. Maybe I'll remember later

[Dwlee99]

My analysis completely changes without salsa alive but yea. It is weird to me that he asked assuming he isn't nightkilled.

[Dwlee99]

Threatens to wall post to get a hammer uwu

[Dwlee99]

Oh I missed the spoiler. I'm scared

[Dwlee99]

Math did you think I was paranoid of you last day phase?
Same question to Kyo.

[Dwlee99]

I'm also lost on the Marci kill but I think it is one of those things that is specifically meant to give no info and I think that sort of thing is more likely from math than you especially if he thought I was pocketed.

[Dwlee99]

I think if you were dead I would probably still get math cause I didn't think Marci would try to WIFOM like that.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo is doing a good job town telling here but I'm gonna give you more time to post some thoughts out Math cause I know you have work and stuff.

[Dwlee99]

Whenever you're ready.

[Dwlee99]

So one thing I'm thinking about is the Titus babysit and the Roden night kill. I think Kyo talked about the Roden NK but didn't talk about how Titus' babysitting choice played into it I think?

The reason I think this is important is because Math was pointing out the claim to Titus, and she then decided to babysit Manatee. Kyo why do you think Math didn't NK Titus there (beyond just that Titus didn't think Math was the towniest) and Math why do you think Kyo didn't NK Titus?

[Dwlee99]

I disagree with scum you needing to kill Titus because you just won with her in ELO. When I was reading that ELO for fun I was 100% sure you were scum and DGB was town.

[Dwlee99]

Flashbacks to when people thought you were night killed in that one game for your reads and then it was just bambi jay's whim.

[Dwlee99]

Math did you know from your weird video thing that Titus would protect Max?

[Dwlee99]

So you wanted her to protect Max?

[Dwlee99]

I also meant manatee lol

[Dwlee99]

Ehh I think I've kind of just made up my mind and waiting longer is torture. Any thoughts before I reveal my decision?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Math
T3 gimme the flip

[Dwlee99]

Thank god

[Dwlee99]

I think you needed to kill Kyo or me there.

Pedit: that's why I ended up being so tight lipped. I got paranoid which is why I no limmed and was hoping you'd turn up dead like you should have as town.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't know day was a normal modifier.

[Dwlee99]

Well day vigilante wouldn't be normal to my knowledge, so I'm unsure how day 3 innocent child is technically normal. "Night 2 Innocent Child" would be though to my knowledge.

[Dwlee99]

I agree that whatever it is should be normal, but day vigilante should not be. So I think maybe it was just misnamed?

[Dwlee99]

As in I think "Compulsive night 2 activated Innocent child" might be the technically correct way to make the role normal but is wordy.

[Dwlee99]

I think cause activated resolves at end of the night it would be revealed at the start of day 3 like intended.