Mini Normal 2224 | Garfield Minus Garfield | Game Over

[Datisi]

you misspelled garfield

[Datisi]

wow i cannot believe ico rolled scum *again*, that is so sad

VOTE: iconeum

hi tweetie!! hi other people i know!!

[Datisi]

but you already claimed masons with them and are actively voting mena

so what is the truth, dragon boi

[Datisi]

i'm sold VOTE: dragon of the west

[Datisi]

where's the vote, ico

are you trying to trick me >_>

[Datisi]

you should know by now that voting dragons is my favourite pastime

oh boi i'm so NERVOUS

is that because you rolled SCUM you scumfuck?

[Datisi]

pagetop doesn't count if you have to bump the previous page twice

[Datisi]

why are you already misrepping me on page 2???

i bumped 1 (one) time...

23 and 24 are both yours, therefore you bumped the page twice

you trying to accuse me of lying?

[Datisi]

how the fuck is 23 a bump?

it's actually really obvious. to explain this however, we first must define a bump. a "(pagetop) bump" is a post (though there can be multiple of them in quick succession) that a user makes in order to get to the bottom of a page so that they can then grab the next page's top post.

then, we need to look at the timestamps. 23 was made at xx:36:22, 24 was made at xx:36:44, and the pagetop 25 was made at xx:36:49. the time delay between 23 and 24 was 22 seconds, while the time delay between 24 and 25 was 5 seconds. let's assume that iconeum's internet is good, so that we can eliminate the waiting time for a post to get posted. and let's assume it takes our dragon... 1 second to click away from "you have successfully posted this post" and go back to typing.

25 took 8 key presses to type (one for each letter of the word pagetop, one for the caps lock at the beginning), and we know ico had 4 seconds to do so (5 seconds of the time between the posts, 1 second taken away for the loading time between posting 24 and going back to typing, assuming he spent no time thinking about grabbing the pagetop, as in 32 he basically admitted that 24 was a bump). from this, we can conclude that ico types at 2 characters per 1 second.

now, 24 took 22 key presses to type, which means ico spent an average of 11 seconds typing it up. knowing there was a 22 second difference between 23 and 24, subtracting 1 second for the loading times and 11 seconds it took to type it up, we are left with 10 seconds.

IF iconeum is truthful in saying that 23 is not a bump, that would mean that within those ten seconds, he posted 23, looked at the forum, saw that he was almost at the bottom of the page, and decided to try to grab the next pagetop. i think we can all agree that this is widely unrealistic, therefore, at the time iconeum posted 23, he was already planning to grab the next pagetop. which means that 23 was posted with the intent to get to the bottom of the page. *therefore*, 23 is a bump.

[Datisi]

-_-

admission of guilt, i'll take it

[Datisi]

hello

[Datisi]

I'm getting goodvibes on both ico and dats thus far

eh eh eh eh eh

hi skit

what's the matter, ico?

[Datisi]

why did you do the "eh" thing at skitt's post then, ico?

[Datisi]

oh

oh no

oh no ico i am so sorry you actually fucking rolled scum 4th game in a row

VOTE: ico

[Datisi]

you seem awfully agenda-y to be scumreading me here early on dats

i've got my eye on you

this part seems like a joke but i don't think it's a joke you make

and i really *really* do not believe that this is anywhere close to a genuine read

so what is it?

[Datisi]

holy mother of flashbacks

Spoiler: early mini normal 2207, last encounter of towntisi and scumconeum

but nah i can freepost to my hearts desire

i am unironically getting bad vibes from this

spicey

i'm a 1shot gladiator and actually considering using it on datisi right now

like, you *want* us to believe you're feeling chill

but you're actually dying inside

dats you open with a vote on me, and are already zoned in?

you make me feel like you come in here with an agenda

dats you open with a vote on me, and are already zoned in?

you make me feel like you come in here with an agenda

i'm gonna need you to elaborate on the ~agenda~ part here

ICONIC YEET VOTE: iconeum

ico i see ur online why lurk already

ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

yes tunnel me please

do you want to get out of this game because you rolled scum?

but nah i can freepost to my hearts desire

i am unironically getting bad vibes from this

i mean

you came into this *wanting* to push me
that much is obvious

question is, does scum!tisi have the balls to pressure me this early and i am Not Sure

anyway i think there's a clear difference in memeing around / "iconic day 1 yeet" vs post 29 which is an actual "hey this ico post gives me bad vibes tonally"

like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

i am in fact taking you here right now as being actually serious yes

[Datisi]

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

[Datisi]

BULLETPROOF VENGEANCE

fuck you

[Datisi]

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

[Datisi]

and you try* to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

ico/peta/???

probably menalque because this world hates me

ok we can go home everyone, game solved

[Datisi]

that said you're very uptight here, but, like, in a town way, not the flopsweat aura i'd expect you to have as scum here

>_>

[Datisi]

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

ok

so how did you arrive at the conclusion that i've been agenda-y pushing you the whole game (prior to 57) in a non-jokingly way?

[Datisi]

this is all so boring and it makes me tunnely and i don't want that right now

...
you do the exact same thing to me that you did in your last scumgame, i call you out on it, and your response is "this is boring it makes me tunnely"?

[Datisi]

i don't think the "i won't read 33" "33 was really funny btw" is like, a problem, i can definitely see ico saying that he doesn't wanna read it to troll me and then actually reading it

however, the fact that he tried to sell it as "you were pushing me in a non-joking manner" to then later say that he thought it was funny...

and @ydra, i 100% guarantee you that he doesn't remember that game. it was like, 2(?) moths ago if not more, and he does not remember details like that. so like i definitely think he would pull the same shit again.

[Datisi]

over 3 months ago, actually. guara-fucking-tee he doesn't remember that interaction.

to tell you the truth, i wasn't even fully convinced that ico was scum at 57, he just pinged me wrong. but the fact that his response was that i'm serious-pushing him (when i'm obviously not), that he's done the exact same thing to me before, *and* that his response to calling that out is silence, then handwaving and weakpushing peta... it's gonna take a lot to make me move my vote from here.

[Datisi]

it's in present tense because i'm barely able to speak english

the proper sentence would've been "and you're trying to tell me you actually thought i was pushing you in a non-jokey matter at the time prior to 56", but typing is difficult and i thought it would be obvious from context

[Datisi]

hi aristeia can i help you anyhow

[Datisi]

like?

[Datisi]

considering you said i needed attention while quoting a part of the post where i was complaining about typing... no?

[Datisi]

(⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)⁄

i would need more party members yes, but the fact that you voted me made me think that you do not wish to see my party succeed - am i wrong?

[Datisi]

do you believe that the dragon's heart is full of darkness?

[Datisi]

i typed up a post, and then i... clicked to a new tab without submitting it because i'm an idiot.

UNVOTE:

i am still voting ico in spirit, but it's slightly too early.

[Datisi]

if ico survives till tomorrow morning he's gonna shit this up to 100 pages don't you worry

[Datisi]

Intent

why is this a post that exists

[Datisi]

VOTE: ico

back to y-2 then i like that

[Datisi]

Because i intented

was that a serious intent

if yes then why
if no then why

[Datisi]

no, p sure that was y-2, someone doubled up earlier

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

ico/ydra/???

[Datisi]

someone out of mena/titanic/whoever the fuck hasn't posted yet

[Datisi]

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

[Datisi]

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

hasn't she been memeing the whole time?

sure, but the fact that she continues to do so after the rvs time has obviously passed and we're into actual game is Concerning

and her positioning around ico is "haha lol wouldn't it be hilarious if ico did the exact same thin as scum again" and then straight into "intent" which is the kinda half serious half memey realm and it just rings wrong to me

[Datisi]

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

?

[Datisi]

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

?

I want to yeet aristeia

(1) why
(2) did you read my case on iconeum and why do you not want to vote him

[Datisi]

scumdrasse is not a read that is set in stone for me, mena is quickly taking that place

[Datisi]

wait that is pooky? i thought that was isis lmfao

doesn't change much, go read my case on ico and then we can talk

[Datisi]

can you just
do cliffnotes?

- i entered memepushing ico because what else is there to do
- i wrote a shitpost of a "case" (33)
- in 56 he said i'm being agenda-s by pushing him right from the start, in 60 it was "not in a jokey way"
- in 62 i point out that that is

the literal same thing he did to me in the last game he was scum against me

- in 83 he says that he thought my shitpost-case was really funny
- i ask him how tf did he then think i was pushing him not-jokingly when apparently he thought the case was funny
- he goes silent for an hour, then handwaves my question away with "this is so boring", omguses peta, and leaves

so uhhh

not reading any pedits holy shit

[Datisi]

i'm bad at althunting

anyway i both believe that (1) town!mena is 100% capable of entering a thread and not knowing jack shit what is going on but also (2) if ico and mena are scum together, this kinda hardpush onto someone else while soft-defending ico is the exact thing he would be doing here

mena, could you stop posting so you calm down, read me/ico in context, and then come back?

[Datisi]

this kinda hardpush onto someone else while soft-defending ico is the exact thing he would be doing here

WHERE DID I SOFT DEFEND ICONEUM

ARE WE READING THE SAME GAME

mena, i still vividly remember you yelling at me on d1 of 2169 how "if i'm not voting shelly, it doesn't matter that i'm calling her scum, because my vote is doing its best to keep her alive". i think this situation is at least comparable, i.e. calling ico scummy, but in a non-commital way (you haven't read the thing yet) and doing your best to attack one of his attackers. like.

pedit: why are you being so unpleasant about it? what has that """tell""" got anything to do with anything here?

[Datisi]

hi mena, why the dwlee vote and do you have an opinion on me yet

[Datisi]

i'm listening

[Datisi]

lol why

i think ico is blatantly being scummy, ydrasse's play around him at the time has absolutely been awful, if i am right on those two then i think he wasn't being bussed at the time, therefore the third is someone who hasn't posted yet or barely posted

pedit: lol? what have i done around you that makes you want to yeet me?

[Datisi]

my position around you so far has been "i can see you being town but i can also see you being an ico scumbuddy defender" and i really wanna hear what makes you so sure that is scummy from me

[Datisi]

yes because you were trying to defend ico without actually defending ico and i really don't buy that you genuinely find it so difficult to imagine that me, who's pretty sure iconeum is scum here, finds it suspicious you're softly calling him scum while trying to swing it elsewhere

[Datisi]

also thanks for cutting out the first part of that post where i said that i can see you town here, that's very genuine of you

[Datisi]

And secondly yes I don’t believe that because when have I ever done that as scum

lol i literally *just* saw you go "uh i'm not sure on [partner] but i wanna push [not partner]" when your partner was under fire and that let you transition onto pushing not your partner so don't be full of shit please

[Datisi]

dead silence

[Datisi]

dead silence

I’m pretty sure I said I was TRing nathann outright there?

nope, there was a period where you were like "gais i'm still ~unsure~ on nathann but i really wanna push dwlee here" so

[Datisi]

Scum Dats posts walls though.

both datses post walls sometimes, how is this relevant to anything?

[Datisi]

I mostly just avoided talking about nathann at all which is very different from here where I haven’t shied away from talking about icon at all

I actually don't disagree on burger but I'm still ~unsure~ on Nathann and thana atp

this was like a few posts after you started pushing dwlee

and we both know there is no way you can avoid talking about ico here when we have so much history together

*and* you haven't even talked about ico properly anyway, you lolbinned him as town on the basis of scumreading me

[Datisi]

Also I decided to shitwagon dwlee that game to save nathann because (no offence T3 or dwlee) it was a relatively weak table and I figured I could maybe get away with forcing something through that was based on total horseshit

I absolutely don’t believe that you believe that I would think the same way in this PL

why not? and i don't think your push on me or dwlee or aristeia is total horseshit, like

i mean the push on me *is* starting to feel that way because you genuinely seem uninterested in anything that i've actually written about iconeum and are writing it off on "datisi should know better about me here lol" when (1) i have said that you might be town and your read is not lockscum (2) i literally just saw you soft-defend a buddy like you did here (3) you *are* (decently) hard townreading iconeum now! and (4) i know your scumplay consists of "shut out the loud correct voices" and like, it's starting to feel like that?

[Datisi]

god, the urge to lolhammer is indescribable.

[Datisi]

i just rechecked, by my count that is legit

[Datisi]

if ico green we yeet ydrasse tomorrow and then mena and i probably scream at each other until one of us dies

if ico red then lol???

[Datisi]

y'all are welcome for the carry

[Datisi]

also my take on the setup: i agree it was townsided, but i don't think it was *as* townsided as this run would suggest

because there were three highly specific things happening here that made this swing against scum immensely

(1) ico rolling red against me and then doing the exact same thing he did last time, and eating the yeet for it immediately
(2) skitter rolling red in a game where aristeia rolled town investigative
(3) two scum being dead by n3, with the two surviving town power roles both awfully going up in power once there's only one scum left

like, i 100% agree that scum had zero mech counterplay to power roles (except shooting them, and that didn't exactly work out) and that this game could use either less town power or more scum power, but also it's not as bad as this run would suggest

[Datisi]

(2) datisi roleblocking me N1(????)

let me grab some quotes from my notes and the dead thread

[Datisi]

Spoiler: from my notes pt

i'm gonna big brain assume mena is scum bc the way he was talking to me was fucking awful and i will be truly fucking

FLOORED

if he has a green role pm here

titanic town
aristeria town
peta most likely town for his fight w mena (his ico vote is not clearing because as we all know peta is the king of bussing)
ta vera and dwlee town?

t3 and ydrasse are Maybe Town on the basis that that bus was really, *really* unnecessary

(also i was getting pr-y vibes on ydra and i think that hammer checks out)

if the above is all correct, the last scum is within {dotw, tweetie, skitter}

i think tweetie is the most likely scum here. she was posting elsewhere on site while the thread was burning, and i think mena having a stroke over "people not efforting when scum" is +scum for her. skitt is dead null, and dotw's posts at mena and ico seemed non-partnery *enough*

Subject: Mini Normal 2224 | Garfield Minus Garfield | Night 1

i think if we flip ico today and he greens then we sure as shit yeet the fuck out of you tomorrow

Subject: Mini Normal 2224 | Garfield Minus Garfield | Night 1

Actually I think I hate everything about your positioning around me so far and I’d yeet you over ico without reading any of his posts on the basis of that

i cannot describe the frontflip that my gut did when i saw these posts, and yeah, if menalque is town here, i will genuinely admit i know nothing about this game

ugh, i'm not sure if mena does the scumkill here knowing there's a roleblocker in town... but one of them could be (probably is) a power role so maybe this doesn't exactly matter and i should just block obvscum period

Spoiler: from the dead thread

haha, of course aristeia checked skitter.

i guess menalque and i are now in the "neither of us knows how to read the other" cycle of our meta. fun.

For fuck’s sake datisi

What the shit

You think

I

would ever make the kill here

well maybe you should've bothered to read my ico case before pronouncing me lockscum, huh? >_>

i will wordvomit a bit more on why i did the things i did so that hopefully people don't yell at me:

i was pretty certain menalque was scum because of the way he played around me and iconuem. the thing is, i know menalque has a very... hit-or-miss read-rate on me, but he has a damn near perfect read-rate on iconuem. so even though he was scumreading me, i fully believed that town!menalque would take the 5 fucking minutes it takes to read my case on ico, and see that hey, iconeum is fucking obvious scum, and he would know i would never, NEVER bus iconeum in that capacity from page *three*.

instead, he... was looking for any possible angle not only to defend ico and attack me, but to give excused to not even read the case that i presented. in my mind, it was because scum!mena read the case, realized that he simply *cannot* defend that dumpsterfire, and resigned to blind chainsawing and townreading iconeum through that avenue.

but i guess this is what happens when menalque doesn't see my townplay in almost a year, and i don't have to read menalque in almost a year.

Imagine a world where I don’t get roleblocked and get to check titanic N1

Imagine

(Yes I am still salty that datisi thought I ever play D1 like that as scum and that EVEN IF HE THOUGHT THAT THAT HE WOULD THINK I WOULD THEN DO THE KILL)

MAYBE

IF YOU HAD TAKEN FIVE FUCKING MINUTES TO READ MY ICO CASE

BEFORE PRONOUNCING ME LOCKSCUM

WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT

(in fact we would have already won because peta was my next target had i had a *trace* of feeling that menalque was town because they reeked of t/s, sooooooooooo)

[Datisi]

like, you're free to yell at me all you want, but the way you were refusing to engage with my ico case and started screaming that i'm scum made me pretty certain you're twisting heaven and earth into defending iconeum, and as i wasn't sure who your partner would be (due to the day being kinda, uhm, short), i valued blocking the Obvious Scum more than trying to 9000 IQ wifom figure out who the kill-carrier is, especially since i wanted to avoid blocking town because i know that carries the risk of blocking a power role

it just so happened that you were town and a power role >_>

[Datisi]

nope, still on you for not going back and reading it before interacting with me when i explicitly said to read it before interacting with me :3

that said, idk. i also thought the way you entered in the thread was awkward as well, but i was willing to give you enough space to properly read the game so far, but once you refused to do that despite two people offering you a tl;dr... yeah no

[Datisi]

ftr though dats, even if mena was scum, deepest scum member should always be carrying the kill

granted most people are dumb and don't play it that way but given setup knowledge no one carries the kill if they look terrible after d1

trust me, i'm fully aware of that, i mentioned at some point that scum!mena *probably* doesn't do the kill

however
(1) i valued blocking Any Scum >>>>> accidentally blocking town, especially after the last time i was town roleblocker and my shitty night actions lost town the game, so even blocking a goon with no actions is better than blocking a townie
(2) the fact that scum is aware of my existence means that they might try to Wifom The Nightkill, because surely the town roleblocker won't block the obviously awfully looking scum, which gave me enough peace of mind to try to play this straight
(3) if scum doesn't have multitasking, and mena's partner is an important scum power role, scum!mena might be forced to do the nightkill anyway

[Datisi]

like obviously none of this turned out to be correct and i did the one thing i was above all trying to avoid, i.e. blocking a town power role, but i feel like at least my thought process wasn't completely off >_>

[Datisi]

when scum pt