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VOTE: tris
VOTE: ssbm

No anime girls allowed.

buh?

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VOTE: seanzie wheee!!!

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VOTE: tris
VOTE: ssbm

No anime girls allowed.

buh?

You saw that post and with it you saw your impending doom and all you say is "buh?"

imnot an anime girl

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so what is your read on taco, seanzie?

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@T3 how do i know youre not an anime girl posing as someone with no profile picture

I have a weird thing about not wanting avatars than I can neither explain nor defend expect that it's an aesthetic.

but, what if it's an anime girl avatar that you don't have?

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Hello everyone!

ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.

T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?

If you are concluding that this is reasonable, but my push on you was not... well... idk what to say.

Your push and my gutread on entrance are not the same. Stop comparing it.

Why? Because my push actually had logic (albeit loose page 1 logic) behind it? I noticed a possible teammate interaction. I mentioned it in thread. You got super defensive about it, so I pushed more, and eventually you OMGUS'd me at the end of it. This is typical wolf behavior.

The only thing that gives me pause on my read is the fact that I know you can be very rude and arrogant as town, so some parts of your reaction can be explained by that. I will have to see how you play moving forward, but your T3 "gut read" (Is it a gut read? Calling T3 performative doesn't feel like a gut read, but an analysis of his posts) is bad, so 0 points from me there.

i have never found defensiveness to be indicative of scum. not in isolation

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Tris we are town block now. Okay?

sure;

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Nothing is indicative of anything in isolation. Taco's reaction to me mentioning teammate equity was way overblown though, they immediately went towards trying to discredit my thoughts by saying it had "0 logic" rather than trying to see if I am town (they purport they were doing that, but I don't buy it).

it seems very believable to me that they saw the read as having 0 logic. i for one, don't see why scum would go out of their way to fake that interaction especially since it's an interaction scum could genuinely have. and, one way someone might try to sort someone, is by calling out what they see as scummy. just because they're tone was aggressive doesn't mean they're not trying to sort you.

When I brought up that they were reacting defensively, they doubled down towards refusing to acknowledge what I was saying, and have time and time again tried to dismiss the conversation, until eventually they OMGUSed.

what exactly were they refusing to acknowledge?

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Seanzie: I don't know how to expect a townie to react here

Also seanzie: i am so sure that taco is reacting like scum here

Nope, that isn't what I said at all. Townies can react in all sorts of ways, so I cannot enumerate all towny reactions for you. asking "how would a towny react in this situation?" is not a productive question since it is unanswerable.

Well generally, I expect a townie to react with defiance when accused of something that is implying they are scum. A scum would be much nicer because they know the accusation is true and thus seek to justify and placate.

This should be able to explain my most recent movements

There is a subset of people who react like that, but I think out of experienced player that subset is small since defiance does little good to threadhealth and doesn't really contribute to collective worldbuilding.

wrong

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why would you turboelim me

that's not a very nice thing to do

Why me = fry me. Caught em

gottem.
VOTE: shrek

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tris youre supposed to help me out hereeee

dont let me die d1 in my first mafia game ever

sorry, i don't make the rules.

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Nothing is indicative of anything in isolation. Taco's reaction to me mentioning teammate equity was way overblown though, they immediately went towards trying to discredit my thoughts by saying it had "0 logic" rather than trying to see if I am town (they purport they were doing that, but I don't buy it).

it seems very believable to me that they saw the read as having 0 logic.

i for one, don't see why scum would go out of their way to fake that interaction especially since it's an interaction scum could genuinely have.

and, one way someone might try to sort someone, is by calling out what they see as scummy. just because they're tone was aggressive doesn't mean they're not trying to sort you.

When I brought up that they were reacting defensively, they doubled down towards refusing to acknowledge what I was saying, and have time and time again tried to dismiss the conversation, until eventually they OMGUSed.

what exactly were they refusing to acknowledge?

You don't see the scum benefit of faking an interaction to make them not look teamed? When I'm scum, if one of my scummates asks me certain types of questions, I refuse to answer in scumchat and make them ask me in the thread specifically to build those sorts of interactions into the thread.

That my push, while too early to be solid, had logical foundations. They didn't take the time to step back and evaluate it critically.

but like, it's not fake in that case. how is that distinguishable town asking questions. sure, scum might want to have such interactions in here rather than in their thread, but it's not like they wouldn't have asked those sorts of questions if they were town.

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ok alright,; catching up

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Shrek is doing a questionable but newbie town play.

yes i think so
UNVOTE:

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i dislike pavowski's list

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i dont think pawowski is genuinely this "aloof" about things. Their analysis on t3 feels weirdly TMI because im not really able to see what they're talking about.
While hollistically i understand t3's play i dont think anything theyve done so far has had them leave reasonable town/scumrange

yea yea yea; i would be voting him if i knew what the vote count is right now

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/tinfoil

what are the odds its kyouko dwlee and t3

0%

what are the odds dwlee is one of them

0%

i laugh

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VOTE: Lucifier

I'm on a mission from God and I have a daycop guilty.

Lucifer probably flips scum here I agree

Nah, I don't think so.

is there some reason this post is a different color?

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oh nvm

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Now the game is a full day old, a quick-and-dirty sorting based mostly on my hugely unreliable gut.

In no particular order...

Town
Faria - Is overly aggressive on Taco, but I think that's because she saw something there she legitimately doesn't like. Feels like a scum misplay to go after somebody so hard so early.
Taco - Has picked fights with lots of people. Would feel like a scum misplay. Leans town as a result.
Shrek - His (probably inadvisable) softclaim to defuse pressure puts him here for now

Null town
Dwlee -- Feels like towny pressuring people to get reactions but just a gut feel
Kyouko -- Same as Dwlee
Zyla -- No real lean yet, but gut says town, so here she stands for now

True null
Titus -- I got nothin yet

Null scum
Sean -- Asking so many questions but not offering nearly as much info. Head says town sorting, gut says scum, can't really justify that tho
Tris -- No justifiable read yet, just a gut feeling pushing her slightly south of neutral

Scum
T3 -- my vote is currently here, for reasons I stated earlier. Posts are short and cryptic, and he's proud of that.
Lucifer -- Not really enough for a proper read, but the fact he's made only two posts (pedit -- now three) -- one of them with no content at all, just a quote -- feels deliberately withholding
Galaxis -- Again, not really enough for a proper read, but I am not sure I buy the way they're acting

Happy Thursday morning, tear me to pieces.

these are very lazy scumreads

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Tempted to vote Pav because that readwall is bad but I am cautious about voting people because I disagree with them.

what did you dislike about that read wall? you seem to agree with him on pavowski at least

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Tempted to vote Pav because that readwall is bad but I am cautious about voting people because I disagree with them.

what did you dislike about that read wall? you seem to agree with him on lucifer at least

ebwop

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and you already answered

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VOTE: titus i feel like;

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titus, could you talk about your lucifer read?

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Does anyone scumread Lucifer?

btw I made this post with the intent that I am currently townreading them - For those switching tracks to them, is it simply because they are low activity or is there a deeper reason for the vote?

i thought you might be doing that

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did you ever/ do you still scumread lucifer? if so, why?

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oops,,

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Being that it was 14 pages, it was a lot to take in, and I was having trouble making reads just off that one readthrough. Which is why I read it again and went back through with ISOs
(308, 316, and 317)

i relate to this

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Shrek is doing a questionable but newbie town play.

yes i think so
UNVOTE:

Now the game is a full day old, a quick-and-dirty sorting based mostly on my hugely unreliable gut.

In no particular order...

Town
Faria - Is overly aggressive on Taco, but I think that's because she saw something there she legitimately doesn't like. Feels like a scum misplay to go after somebody so hard so early.
Taco - Has picked fights with lots of people. Would feel like a scum misplay. Leans town as a result.
Shrek - His (probably inadvisable) softclaim to defuse pressure puts him here for now

Null town
Dwlee -- Feels like towny pressuring people to get reactions but just a gut feel
Kyouko -- Same as Dwlee
Zyla -- No real lean yet, but gut says town, so here she stands for now

True null
Titus -- I got nothin yet

Null scum
Sean -- Asking so many questions but not offering nearly as much info. Head says town sorting, gut says scum, can't really justify that tho
Tris -- No justifiable read yet, just a gut feeling pushing her slightly south of neutral

Scum
T3 -- my vote is currently here, for reasons I stated earlier. Posts are short and cryptic, and he's proud of that.
Lucifer -- Not really enough for a proper read, but the fact he's made only two posts (pedit -- now three) -- one of them with no content at all, just a quote -- feels deliberately withholding
Galaxis -- Again, not really enough for a proper read, but I am not sure I buy the way they're acting

Happy Thursday morning, tear me to pieces.

these are very lazy scumreads

VOTE: titus i feel like;

I'm getting the feeling that,

tris

is playing clumsy scum.

UNVOTE: Pavowski

VOTE: tris

yeah?

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@Tris

I just looked through your ISO and couldn't get a sense as to where your head is at. You have a few pokes here and there, but don't really give reads.

Do you have any scumreads? Townreads? What are your thoughts right now?

yeah, i havent found my way much in this game yet. i think taco is town i think shrek might be, but i;m gonna need to do some isoing and more poking once ive caught up

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I am pretty sure Salsa is town. I agree with most of her thoughts and she is actively solving.

which thoughts?

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hmmm. i feel like salsabil might be town.

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VOTE: Zyla

I dont like you here. You dont vibe well with me '~'

huh

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titus, could you talk about your lucifer read?

Tris what's your analysis on Lucifer? Why'd you decide to vote Titus rather than Pav after your catch-up?

lucifer is as they say lhf. or maybe mafia, i'm not sure. i just see the votes on him as being really lazy and easy for scum to do. however, i understand titus's perspective now. i should unvote i guess UNVOTE: i voted titus because i thought it was weird that she was voting for pav after having voted for lucifer when the reason i suspected pav was because he put so much lazy reads like lucifer in the scum pile. but, as i just said, i think i see her perspective better now

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Something I've noticed about kyo is that he only seemsto be asking questions and not providing original thought. This is only from this page though. I'm not sure if this is a playstyle thing but I'll note it.

i thought i've seen original thoughts from him

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oh wow i really should read ahead a little

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I'm getting strong tvt vibes from the Dwlle/Zyla interaction. Idk why.

I don't have strong reads on either of them at this point.

um what? are strong tvt vibes not a strong read? or did you mean that individualy you don't?

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Looking back through our combined ISO, I actually do like Dwlee's responses in 340 and 345, I can give them some town points for those two

Well, yeah, it's not anything special, it's just playing the game. And while I can understand it feeling defensive that I scum read Titus for that,

I'd like to think that if I saw someone call someone out for not having any good reads I'd scum read it regardless of if the read was on me

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Why is the bolded scummy?

Also, I noticed I forgot to respond to this post. I honestly don't know how I didn't notice that on a reread.
It was supposed to say "If I saw someone scum read someone for not having reads/analysis in their posts when they themselves don't have any yet, I would scum read it [..]"

This is a towny post. It shows consistency with thought process but reads that are different to what she thought before.

TMI from

T3

i don't understand why everyone is saying this looks fake. i understand perfectly what t3 means by that i think.

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Town

:
Shrek
Taco
Tris
Ssbm_Kyuoko
Seanzie

Scum

:
Titus
Dwlee
Salsabli Faria
Pawoski

Idk

:
Galaxy
T3

Fixed

yeah???? why??????

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Shemakes no effort to engage with other people and instead pops in to give reads.

is this really true of me ever??

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I'm almost certain tris is town this game because of the stark meta contrast.

i don't really understand the meta you're using here lol

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Scum tris posts shallow, frequent one-liners that are relatively devoid of actual content. She light defends her scumpartners for reasons such as vibes and gut. Shemakes no effort to engage with other people and instead pops in to give reads. The tris in this game is engaging with the thread and posting content that is more than just unexplained one line reads.

I'm almost certain tris is town this game because of the stark meta contrast.

I'm reading tris and then reading 716 and feels to me like tris is posting exactly in the way you say scum!tris posts - shallow frequent one-liners devoid of content. So why do you tr her?

lol

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Nothing is indicative of anything in isolation. Taco's reaction to me mentioning teammate equity was way overblown though, they immediately went towards trying to discredit my thoughts by saying it had "0 logic" rather than trying to see if I am town (they purport they were doing that, but I don't buy it).

it seems very believable to me that they saw the read as having 0 logic. i for one, don't see why scum would go out of their way to fake that interaction especially since it's an interaction scum could genuinely have. and, one way someone might try to sort someone, is by calling out what they see as scummy. just because they're tone was aggressive doesn't mean they're not trying to sort you.

When I brought up that they were reacting defensively, they doubled down towards refusing to acknowledge what I was saying, and have time and time again tried to dismiss the conversation, until eventually they OMGUSed.

what exactly were they refusing to acknowledge?

Detective work says scum tris never does this from meta.

don't do what??? i don't see anything there that i wouldn t do as scum. that's a pretty basic post for a tris to make

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hello im here

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i agree VOTE: zyla

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now that ive voted for her im going to read her iso actually

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whats so clumsy about me?

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shallow, one-liner

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i don't understand how you're using the word clumsy there and how it applies to the quotes you quoted

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oop

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sorry for abandoning you