- KidAmn (replaces bugspray)
- DrippingGoofball
- Titus
- T3
- Almost50 (replaces cw357)
- Jessica Rabbit*
- Rannygazoo
- Jake The Wolfie
- Roden
- Not_Mafia (replaces excallq)
- Egix96
- geraintm
- VFP
Mini Normal 2215: Deco [Complete]
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Mini Normal 2215: Deco [Complete]
Exemplified by the geometric designs of famous New York buildings such as the Chrysler Building and Rockefeller Centre, Art Deco was the most fashionable international design movement in modern art from 1925 until the 1940s. The art deco style, which above all reflected modern technology, was characterized by smooth lines, geometric shapes, streamlined forms and bright, sometimes garish colours. Initially a luxury style employing costly materials like silver, crystal, ivory, jade and lacquer, after the Depression it also used cheaper and mass-produced materials like chrome, plastics, and other industrial items catering to the growing middle class taste for a design style that was elegant, glamorous and functional.
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Spoiler: Game state
Last edited by Umlaut on Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:37 am, edited 29 times in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Tl;dr- This game is Normal.
- Days are 240 hours (10 days); nights are48 hours (2 days).
- Standard 48/24 prod timers; naked prod dodges are not counted.
- Standard majority elimination mechanics.
- No default daytalk or multitasking.
Conduct- Don't use orange, it's my color.
- Play to win.
- Don't discuss the game outside of the game until it's over.
- Don't flame. Don't harass. Don't use insults that target minority, disadvantaged, or legally protected classes.
- Keep interpersonal disputes out of the game thread.
- Don't quote or misquote private communications from the moderator.
- Don't use encryption, tiny/hidden/unreadable text, or anything that could be easily confused for such.
- All replacement requests will be taken as serious, irrevocable, and immediate. Once you request replacement you are no longer a player and may not post.
- Don't game the rules, pretend to break the rules, or intentionally test the limits. All pretended violations will be dealt with identically to actual violations.
- Don't break the rules of any other ongoing game in this thread.
- Don't argue moderator actions in the game thread. If you want to dispute a ruling, do so via PM.
Game mechanics
Day- Days begin with a deadline of 240 hours(10 days).
- Days will end when one of the following events occurs:
- The deadline is reached.
- A yeet(elimination) orno-yeet(no-elimination) is achieved.
- A town-aligned player is modkilled.
- The deadline is reached.
- Votes should be made via the vote tag: “[vote]<playername>[/vote]” or “[v]<playername>[/v]”. Full player names or initial segments thereof are preferred.
- When more than half of living players are voting for the same player, that player will be yeeted(eliminated) and the day will end. Votes are irrevocable once a majority is achieved.
- You may vote not to yeet by voting for “No yeet”. When half or more of living players do so, the day will end without a yeet.
- If the day reaches deadline without a majority, there will be no yeet.
- I will interpret malformed votes according to my own discretion. In general, if it looks like a vote, I will probably count it as a vote. I reserve the right to edit malformed votes for easier counting.
- When a majority vote has been achieved but not yet recognized by the moderator, the game is in twilight. Players, including the yeetee, may continue to post during this period.
- Under certain circumstances I may elect to extend the deadline. I will announce this in thread if it occurs.
Night- Nights will last 48 hours, or until all living players give me their approval to end the night early.
- During the night, you should be unable to post in the public game thread. If for some reason you are able, doing so is still against the rules.
- Mafia night abilities should be submitted in the Mafia's private thread. Factional kills must specify which mafioso carries out the kill.
- Town night abilities should be submitted via PM.
- Use of active night abilities is optional unless otherwise specified in the role PM; if no action is submitted, no action will occur.
Win conditions- All Town players have the following win condition: “You win when the Town is the sole surviving faction.”
- All Mafia players have the following win condition: “You win when the Mafia is the sole surviving faction, or when nothing can prevent this.”
- If the game ends or reaches Happily Ever After with neither win condition met, it will be considered a draw.
Activity requirements- Players who do not confirm within 48 hoursof receiving their role PM will be replaced.
- Players who do not post any game-related content for 48 hoursin a single game-day will incur a prod.
- Players who do not post any game-related content for 24 hoursfollowing a prod will be replaced.
- Players who incur three prods will be replaced.
- “Prod dodges” (posts with no game-related content) will be disregarded for purposes of the prod timer.
- If for any reason you are temporarily unable to meet these requirements, you may declare V/LA status in threadand be excused. V/LA declarations must include a definite end date.
- Notwithstanding V/LA status, any player who does not post at all for 7 daysof consecutive day time will be replaced.
- These are minimal requirements, not recommendations; please keep the game active.
Sample role PM
At least one player will receive the role ofand the following role PM:[/font]Townie
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Role PMs have been sent! Players have (expired on 2021-06-06 03:54:00) to confirm. The game will begin once at least 11 players have done so.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Last edited by Umlaut on Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:14 am, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Last edited by Umlaut on Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:27 am, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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cw357 will be allowed to remain in the game. A reminder to everyone that if the moderator of your game is already seeking a replacement you should get their permission before posting again.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Last edited by Umlaut on Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:51 am, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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(maybe I'll wait to post a VC)Last edited by Umlaut on Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I will freeze the deadline at 36 hours if a replacement has not been found by then.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Not_Mafia replaces excallq.
Deadline:(expired on 2021-06-15 04:23:00)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Seeking a replacement for bugspray.
The deadline is frozen and will be set to 36 hours once a replacement is found.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Not_Mafia was yeeted.
Spoiler: What was he??
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Last edited by Umlaut on Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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KidAmn was yeeted.
Spoiler: What was he??
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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T3 was yeeted.
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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VFP was yeeted.
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Last edited by Umlaut on Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:09 am, edited 1 time in total.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Jake the Wolfie was yeeted.
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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DrippingGoofball was yeeted.
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Topic links
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Thanks for playing, everyone! This thread is now open for general discussion.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Fixed!In post 1424, Titus wrote:You forgot my notes topic.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I'll ask to have the Review PT unlocked. In the meantime I'm happy to answer any questions folks have about the setup.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Oh, I'd almost forgotten about the mod error. I accidentally posted an early draft of the start-of-day post (clicked "Submit" instead of "Save Draft") which included DGB's flip, since Roden was shooting it and at the time no one was blocking Roden yet. I deleted the post seconds after it went up but still had to verify no one saw it.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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This is a point I find worthy of comment. There are two things I want to say about it: one specific to this game, and the other more general.In post 1451, DrippingGoofball wrote:In 100% of games lately the setups have roles that deliberately mislead the town, such that ROLES ARE USELESS.
Worse than useless.
The more specific point is that Egix' Strongman-Finder ability served a definite purpose in the setup, in that it motivated him to target players he suspected of being Mafia. This made his 'real' ability of catching the Encryptor one that would reward good reads on his part. (Ultimately this is not why he targeted VFP but had the game gone differently it could have been.)
The more general point is that the purpose of power roles in a Mafia game, particularly in a closed game, is to give their faction whatever benefit those roles have. It is emphaticallynotto present an "outguess the mod" puzzle wherein the town tries to discern the setup by meta-reasoning. I can honestly say I did not add that role with the hope oftrickinganyone, not only because that particular formulation was an NRG suggestion but because I never would have imagined anyone to be so confident in the first place that the presence of a Strongman-Finder implied there must be a Strongman to find. Given that you openly admit you knew no such guarantee existed, I don't think you can also seriously claim you were tricked.
In other words: the primary way the town could have caught Titus as Mafia in this setup was byscumhunting.To the extent that the town lost by disregarding scumhunting in favor of reliance on a promise that no one had ever made, I consider that loss well earned.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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DGB, you are entitled to your taste in setups, and if this one wasn't to your taste then it probably doesn't matter whether or not I can explain how it's reasonable from my perspective. I hope you still enjoyed the game.
Also true, and why I said "to the extent that" -- because really, the direction of this game wasn't primarily about that even if the last day maybe was.In post 1458, Roden wrote:To be fair, town lost because town kept letting themselves get mis-elim'd for three days in a row lol.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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The review thread is now accessible if anyone is still interested: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86551“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs
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