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hi cdb welcome back 2 the siteIn post 9, ChannelDelibird wrote:Hi all! My username is usually abbreviated to CDB. I'm an old fogey from back in the day and this is my first game for a few years, so I'm definitely going to be rusty and probably quite bad. Apologies in advance!
Why did you ask this question, boxxy?
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1. ive played some gamesIn post 11, ItalianoVD wrote:Tell me about yourselves! I’ve only played with Not_Mafia once and with UNOwen in my second game on site which was like May of last year.
1. What’s your mafia experience?
2. Do you like playing as town better? Or mafia better?
3. Is it hard for you to lie? Or can you do it with no problem? Both in real life and in mafia?
2. i prefer town
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why would you expect me to react to a no content page 1 bandwagonIn post 28, ChannelDelibird wrote:It's kind of a shame that bloodhail essentially ignored the votes entirely.-
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whys it seem forced to youIn post 29, Anya wrote:yep
his thing about the sample VT pms seeming forced seems forced so still happy here-
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ok this is a better answer than mineIn post 31, UNOwen wrote:3. Trust me, I hate lying.-
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interacting with people is part of the game as either alignmentIn post 51, T3 wrote:
I feel like that's a little like asking why is a vt pm town.In post 36, bloodhail wrote:why is being interactive town
why would i not be interacting as scum
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first quote is talking about me in specific doesn't seem to imply you wanted reactions from other peopleIn post 86, ChannelDelibird wrote:
Not really a question of whether or not I expected you to react; more 'it would be nice if bloodhail or someone else had reacted to it in an interesting and/or useful way, although it was always possible that nobody would'.In post 32, bloodhail wrote:
why would you expect me to react to a no content page 1 bandwagonIn post 28, ChannelDelibird wrote:It's kind of a shame that bloodhail essentially ignored the votes entirely.-
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doubt theyre a team tbhIn post 85, T3 wrote:I'm considering just voting out boxxy and lemons and hoping we win the game.-
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cant say because of ongoing gamesIn post 94, InsidiousLemons wrote:p-edit: bloodhail what are your "bad reasons" for the T3 townread?-
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too early to say but dart throw guess is CDB or N_MIn post 109, ItalianoVD wrote:
Who would you guess is Lemon’s partner?In post 95, bloodhail wrote:
doubt theyre a team tbhIn post 85, T3 wrote:I'm considering just voting out boxxy and lemons and hoping we win the game.
dont think boxxy goes off on lemons about rolefishing if teamed
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today we learned that posting reads is fluffIn post 127, boxxy wrote:Also bloodhail, I should clarify, by "effort" i don't mean "long." One can shit out lots of words without saying much. But look at T3's posts for example:
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These are what I would qualify as "low effort." Not much substance, just a lot of "joe reads town," with no analysis, no justification of reads, no pressuring. Such posts are basically fluff and don't help move the game forward at all.-
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what do you like coming out of him, exactlyIn post 133, InsidiousLemons wrote:boxxy can be town. i like what's come out of her recently.-
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nah fuck off, just because you dont like minimalist posting doesnt make it fluffIn post 138, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i'm not disputing that, i'm attacking your misrepresentation of boxxy's argument, and i said as much? where is my vote right now? not on T3. where has my vote ever been? not on T3. but i just came from a game that was lost in part because of T3's refusal to engage with the game as town, and i'm not about to let him coast on what are objectively low-effort and largely non-game-advancing posts. the fact that you're arguing that he continue to be allowed to play this way is not conducive to a town victory.In post 134, bloodhail wrote:thats how t3 posts its not a scumtell
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hes not gonna post anything usefulIn post 143, ChannelDelibird wrote:I'm not really at all surprised, given my limited recollections of playing with Not_Mafia, but Iamannoyed that, in a game this small, one player is essentially making themselves unavailable for reading. Always tempting to make that vote but I have no particular confidence that it'd actually get any more out of him.
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i could troll you and just say "gut"In post 179, InsidiousLemons wrote:
can you elaborate on this please?In post 177, bloodhail wrote:cdb probably scum too
but in more words feels somewhat underwhelming, seems mostly like he's trying to not ruffle feathers, and 140 feels like he's making a show of being uncertain with how many times he mentions it in the post - like he really wants you to think "ahh gosh guys this is so hard i just don't know"-
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ive been saying it repeatedly, anya decided you were town, cdb said he thought you were town tho i guess none of us as vocallyIn post 185, boxxy wrote:Is anybody else defending me? That from what I can remember.-
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this is p badIn post 196, InsidiousLemons wrote:- i don't like his defense of T3's inactivity and lack of explanation for his reads by writing it off as "how T3 posts". it's true that this has been T3's habit, but i don't see town motivation for fighting a call for him to post more substantially
- don't like his advocacy of a n_m policy lim in 154
- 181 is decent but i don't know that i buy that he believes what he's saying in posts like 145. "minimalist posting"? come on
overall it's a scumlean.
i said T3 plays how he plays and calling reads that are underexplained "fluff" is dumb. if you want more from him, just ask. as scum my nefarious master plan is to...defend him?
like if u wanna ask T3 to explain things im not stopping you from doing so but im saying reading into what he does as scummy is bad when its a characteristic of how he acts
u seem more concerned with wanting people to act in a way u conceive as the "proper" way to play rather than finding scum-
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In post 196, InsidiousLemons wrote:- don't like his advocacy of a n_m policy lim in 154
also: lmaoIn post 196, InsidiousLemons wrote:i think at this point my vote will do more work trying to force not_mafia back into the thread than it will continuing a stale push on italiano.
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you can just ask me questions i dont biteIn post 217, ChannelDelibird wrote:I'm definitely still on the learning curve when it comes to getting used to reading players like bloodhail, T3 and Anya-
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however let me ask you do you have actual suspicion of anya and T3 or is it just not townreading them (NM is NM, not worth asking about)In post 216, ChannelDelibird wrote:Wagons I'd therefore consider: Anya, T3, NM-
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his posts, right before i said that. they didn't sound scummy.In post 231, boxxy wrote:
What made you change your mind?In post 225, bloodhail wrote:cdb might be okay actually-
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okIn post 233, InsidiousLemons wrote:
you mean like i did in 180, which he has still yet to respond to?In post 200, bloodhail wrote:i said T3 plays how he plays and calling reads that are underexplained "fluff" is dumb. if you want more from him, just ask.
do you think T3 is scummy for not answering you
discredit boxxy on what, exactlyIn post 233, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i think your primary objective is to discredit boxxy. they're making some solid points and by calling them "flipbait" you're insinuating that their perspective is not to be taken seriously. it also leaves the door open to you deciding later that they actually are scum while still being able to claim impartiality. in the same breath, you're actively working against pressure for T3 to reveal his thought process, which in turn makes him harder to read and diminishes his voice. putting 2 very conceivably town players on mute does not help town. i don't see this as a "nefarious plan", but scum very rarely put in major legwork D1 so the potential that this is what you're doing is enough for a scumlean from me.In post 200, bloodhail wrote:as scum my nefarious master plan is to...defend him?
the two people he's voted are you and not_mafia. why would i be trying to discredit votes in either direction
how is calling someone "flipbait" leaving the door open to deciding he's scum later? i'm unambiguously saying i think he's town who has eccentric opinions that were getting him scumread for not great reasons
how does taking pressure off a player i have a townlean on being unhelpful to town. i am saying scumreads on T3 for having underexplained reads are likely ill-conceived. you are contorting yourself to make this attack
this argument is absolutely terrible. it is trying to turn me defending players from early scumreads on them into me somehow working against them. it's trying to frame "pressure" on players as a net positive even if they are likely town. this is complete nonsense. pressure in the sense they were facing was working toward a potential elimination and i openly disagreed with it. those players are the easist players for scum to push because of their playstyle, and the goal of scum is to get town eliminated-
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i have no completed games with anya but so far her reads have made sense at the moments she has expressed themIn post 251, ItalianoVD wrote:Also I’ve been reading a few of Anya’s games and she seems to be a little more all over the place when she’s town. This game has been kinda subdued. Like she usually votes for everybody and says a lot of things that seem scummy. Here she seems town. Anyone who has actually played with her notice this as well?
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see, i don't think i really see a noticeable meta difference but i definitely feel like italiano really thinks he's onto something with anyaIn post 270, ItalianoVD wrote:
These two games in particular…is the reason I’m questioning.In post 266, UNOwen wrote:The play style difference might just be because she was replacing into our previous game, I don't really have a good comparison for early game behavior.
Mini 2199: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090
Mini 2201: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86195
Notice the very looseness of her votes and posts; almost to scummy levels and that ridiculous tstbs none sense people throw around. I’m just not feeling the same laxity when I read her iso here. I know it’s pretty weak, but it is something that has caught my attention.-
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i feel like i may have overleveled myself on T3, this reasoning isnt good and is just repeating a thing from earlier in the thread, dont see thoughts evolving with the gamestate in an organic way, level of contribution is weakIn post 274, T3 wrote:From my experience accusations of fishing tend to come from scum. Leaving my vote on boxxxy.-
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.................................why?In post 278, InsidiousLemons wrote:no. T3 is an overall townlean atp-
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its almost certainly based on our reads of himIn post 285, ChannelDelibird wrote:
Having bloodhail and Lemons as one's top two scumreads seems like an ass-pull.In post 279, Not_Mafia wrote:T3
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why do they need to walk it back if boxxy is town? deadline pressure will force votes on the nearest wagon and they keep their hands cleanIn post 318, UNOwen wrote:
@bloodhail - why would scum!Lemons reject the opportunity to walk back their boxxy town read here? Deadline is approaching and the game is slow, scum in that position would probably be feeling the pressure to find a viable counterwagon.In post 282, InsidiousLemons wrote: still town. 260 doesn't bother me if that's what you're asking, and i can understand the mindset behind his earlier posts like 167 and 182.-
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thank uIn post 326, Not_Mafia wrote:
I'm townIn post 324, bloodhail wrote:im either giving someone a free pass when i shouldnt be or not_mafia is scum-
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