Mini Normal 2214 || Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

Naked votes are scummy

[Dwlee99]

don't be silly

i had clothes

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VOTE: Anya

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E-1

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VOTE: Anya
Someone wanted a lolhammer?

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If you're going to axe Anya, at least make sure they claim first >->

She had 8 hours wdym

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VOTE: Anya
Someone wanted a lolhammer?

interesting execution

to be fair the e-2 already on the wagon fakehammer is a difficult one to pull off

I can't tell if Jake was fooled or pretending to be fooled but I'm leaning towards the latter and these posts are bad

If you're going to axe Anya, at least make sure they claim first >->

If you're going to axe Anya, at least make sure they claim first >->

She had 8 hours wdym

Do you think we are in RVS?

VOTE: Jake

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jake's group theory felt earnest to me in a city way even if i don't agree at all

It felt meaningless to me.

do you give all fakewarhammers like that town credentials or is there something special about dwlee's?

it was a fakehammer that couldn't work and when i pointed it out dwlee provided evidence that it worked

I am astounded I got anything out of it other than getting to laugh at myself for trying it.

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I'm always happy to be townread but also we should vote Jake instead of talking so much about a post I made mostly in jest.

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I'm always happy to be townread but also we should vote Jake instead of talking so much about a post I made mostly in jest.

VOTE: dwlee

lolhammering this sorry

oh noooo you killed the bulletproof role and alignment cop with automatic unstoppable vigilante powers on checking scum.

[Dwlee99]

By some napkin math, there is a 10/11 chance a randomly selected group of 6 players has at least one mafia in it. Might as well sort it alphabetically and split the teams in half at that point.

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Until the magical day comes where all the scum are on or off the wagon and this conversation is accomplishing nothing. Didn't you say we should stop posting until morning?

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wait 10is hours to wait for others to join in

this is morning

goodnight

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if he really thinks that he must not respect me and for that i am pissed.

VOTE: Sigmund

I don't respect anyone here

If I know your main I'm sad.

sigmund frozen omgus pe (policy elimination) among us sus

Rae talks in tongues must be possessed by A DEMON


VOTE: rae

What happened about Jake and Anya?

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I still don't have an answer to why Jake reacted like he did to a very poorly executed fake hammer.

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VOTE: Monkey
I'll see where this goes.

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Shiki vote someone challenge.

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In my wagon:

→ Sigmund, whose current activities include desperately pushing for a quickhammer before page 10 on a slot he doesn't have a read yet, throwing meaningless votes, and going for an OMGUS wagon for bogus reasons.
→ Johnny, who agrees that my thought process is "fake af", but hasn't really demonstrated why. (You really think my thought process is fake, in contrast to Sigmund here?)
→ Anne, who thinks Sigmund is "moving the game forward and causing people to make positive statements." (How??)
→ Jake, who thinks I was town because I pushed Sigmund but still puts his vote on my wagon anyway despite that it's Sigmund that started it. This guy even actively tries to stop people from discussing Sigmund, the loudest player on this game, for no apparent reason. (Why are you even doing that?)

Yeah. I'm SURE this is a town-motivated wagon. I have no idea why people think Sigmund is town for how he's playing here.

Which of the four are scum?

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UNVOTE:

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Oh okay other people already removed E-1.

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alright i think monkey man is scummy trying to analyze a 5-man wagon with not even more than 400 posts.

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

Why is looking at a wagon early scummy?

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@Monkey, you keep calling Jake scum but your vote stays on sigmund? Why?

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I think monkey is town. On that note, kinda want to sheep but also don't feel much about either of the players he wants dead. Jake and Sigmund both exist in the bla state of my brain right now where I can't even tell if they've done anything particularly alignment indicative. Jake keeps making posts that could be consistently misreading. Idk, even as scum, why would one want to make such blatantly bad arguments.

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I'm undecided on the answer to both of those questions. I don't think it is as cut and dry as monkey is making it that Sigmund and Jake are evil though.

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So then what makes you think monkey is town?

His posting and attempt to sort his own wagon.

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VOTE: Jake

I'm back onto here now.

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Wait a second Naha, You seemed surprised when you learned that Sigmund started a wagon on Monkey, which you townread them for it. But you later admitted that you thought Monkey was town. How does that track?

It tracks because I have the ability to know that townies can be wrong.

Then why- for a reason other than I am always scum *eyeroll*- do you not give me the same charity?

bad post

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I don't necessarily track with your scumteam solve (is this the phrase?), but I think you're town and that Jake is scum. I wouldn't include Messy and Shiki in my town reads quite yet, want to wait and see more. Sigmund is completely null for me rn. As for the T3 associations, it's possible, but I'm not gonna nail T3 to a wall just on that tomorrow even when Jake hopefully flips scum.

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VOTE: T3

can we just kill somebody already I am bored out of my mind

Could I interest you in a Jake vote?

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Wait Jake is at E-1? Okay ig.

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Isn't everyone trying to at least appear to do towny things.

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Mass claim is a bad idea imo. Skimmed the new pages but feeling mega head-empty atm so that's all my thoughts for now.

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And what happens if everyone claims a different PR? Then we don't have counterclaims and there can be mafia in the list.

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And what happens if everyone claims a different PR? Then we don't have counterclaims and there can be mafia in the list.

right and why would we not be able to figure out which pr claim was the mafia? i feel like this is one of the easiest ways normals are solved,

Just figure out which claim is faked in a setup we don't know the scumteam's roles?

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If scumteam are all goons they have a lot of freedom to claim PRs that could exist under setups with non-vanilla mafia roles to counter them.

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If scumteam are all goons they have a lot of freedom to claim PRs that could exist under setups with non-vanilla mafia roles to counter them.

that also make sense within the setup?

Okay so how do we know if we have 4 PRs and it makes sense because scum have PRs too or if a PR or two is lying and the mafia are mostly goons?

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Except a mafia role could easily be hypothesized to make the setup balanced and the removal or addition of the role based on scum role's existence could be balanced too.

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For instance, as a basic example. If there was a doc + cop claim there could be a roleblocker, or the doc claim could be fake.

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We potentially get a mafia flip today which can help solve the game.

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VOTE: Messy Anne
What if we went with this?

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That slot or T3. I think at least one probably flips scum.

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I picked a player, ISO'd, and didn't like what I saw.

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A T3 vote might actually be better than a Messy Anne vote but also I'm mobile til tonight so won't be able to do as much digging as I'd like.

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The first time I remember a mention of a neighborhood is when T3 said "unless everyone in the neighborhood is evil" or something.

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Why didn't the neighborhood claim day 1? Did I miss it?

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No

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my fish in the barrel guess is t4 dwlee johnny

That list has at most one scum in it. Johnny is town methinks.

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Anyone try to find why Gamma was killed? Don't feel like sorting through it on mobile.

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Rae why are you sheeping me right now?

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Hello

Game slow

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Probably town but I wouldn't bet the game on it.

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What's your PoE pool then?

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You town read the other 7 people?

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still think dwlee is probably town as well. just kill the lhf and you should see some red. that to me is T3/anne/sigmund. i should reconsider monkey man given that i was convinced in my poor solve.

Very interesting to me that T3's and Rae's pools are the same except with each other listed.

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Can I give you three potential scum? T3/Rae/Anne
Townreading you, monkey, shiki, and nah

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Is it crazy to no-elim here?

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NAH isn't hectic.

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Rae if you're gonna pop in, can you answer my question?

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It isn't a soft if you just said it and then when asked deny it. Why was this neighborhood not claimed day one? Isn't that standard play?

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I hope it is a day vigilante

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Rae, wtf.

I hope it is a day vigilante

thinking about the potential for a vigilante and also suggesting no elimination very interesting

I went into this game suspecting a vig cause 12p and then no one got shot

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As an addendum, I suspected vigilante when I saw it was 9:3, cause I thought there would be an SK when joining.

I went into this game suspecting a vig cause 12p and then no one got shot

right but if there is a vigilante wouldn't a no elimination be a very bad idea?

Vig should have shot last night to get us off even. It's possible vig no shot but they should have.

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This is also why I asked if no elims was crazy, cause I was wondering if other people thought there was one. Not committed to the idea.

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Suggestion is a very strong word for floating the idea to gauge reactions, which no one did til now.

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You'll see soon.

When is this

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1 is probably a traitor

why's that

3:9 with 3 groupscum would be evil

Not really if roles account for it.

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Back in the day (wow I sound old) I almost never saw traitor. That's surprising. Anyway back to game, can someone do something? Preferably something obviously evil? You're gonna make me reread the game at this rate.

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Just pulled this out of a completed mini normal

Mafia Informed Doctor Activated Ascetic

What has happened? lmao

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T3 I wanna see the cool thing happen, the lack of things happening in the game is making me snooze.

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No, I don't see it. T3 promised something to happen. I expect a follow-through. Rae claiming PR and mass claim I don't think are going to be super beneficial to us.

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The way you treat yourself as so enlightened for not voting out Jake is mad cap btw, feeling like you might be evil here trying to take credit for knowing Jake wasn't scum.

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How is this gaining information for "myself" as opposed to for the town? Cause I didn't directly say "is there a vig?" Do you think the vig should claim if there is one? I don't.

The way you treat yourself as so enlightened for not voting out Jake is mad cap btw, feeling like you might be evil here trying to take credit for knowing Jake wasn't scum.

i am just frustrated by a wagon like that going through and then people saying things like 'why is noone doing anything' when a) i am trying to do things but people are opposed to the things i am trying to do and b) it's pretty easy to conclude that the 'noone doing anything' is quite possibly the mafia's goal?? but noone seems to be reaching that conclusion for some reason so those kinda saying people should do something but not doing something themselves are suspicious to me

It probably is part of their goal but I feel like I'm one of the only people posting lately.

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I feel pretty good with my Anne vote based on the way wagons are happening and the game stall. I suggest if you're town popping on.

How is this gaining information for "myself" as opposed to for the town? Cause I didn't directly say "is there a vig?" Do you think the vig should claim if there is one? I don't.

yes i think the vigilante should claim, i think we should be taking as many steps as we can towards eliminating mafia today,

it is gaining information for yourself because you are trying to deduce if there is a vigilante or if others think there is a vigilante (which a vigilante would obviously think) while not making that information clear to everyone, right?

And then vig gets shot? Wow, that sure was helpful.

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This is my first normal in forever, so let me know if I'm completely off-base here with this, but games aren't supposed to be breakable by the town just saying their roles.

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Vig could get two shots off claiming tomorrow instead of today unless there is a roleblocker.

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You suggested one day two with no more information (given two VT flips). Can you vote Anne for me?

Vig could get two shots off claiming tomorrow instead of today unless there is a roleblocker.

does that seem like a good thing to you? as you are aware that one shot puts us on odds so two shots costs us if not a hit

Vig should be shooting if there is someone scummy enough to warrant it and it can't possibly lose us the game. If we don't hit scum today or tonight then yea vig shouldn't shoot. Otherwise, it's probably for the best.

Did I miss something or how do we know there is a vig?

All just setup spec. I was thinking cause 12p game there might be a vig, but maybe not.

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Did I miss something or how do we know there is a vig?

we are simply discussing that there might be a vigilante based on 9:3 game (50% historically)

Oh wow I didn't know the percent was that high.

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Hectic isn't a wagon, Sigmund's wagon is bad, if you believe Rae is town which sure works for now then the Anne wagon is super awesome town wagon.

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I could go for Sigmund too but you're not even on that wagon either so what are you doing with your vote right now?

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Also Sigmund's playstyle abrasive blabla but that doesn't make him scum. Anne's ISO is bad imo just go read it.

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I don't remember what you thought I just remember being like meh. Monkey might be scum, it fits into my PoE pool I think.

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Mafia = team game and if scum won't bus Anne then we have to kill her ourselves so let's do it.

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Them* sorry

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Messy Anne is koba, right?

there's no way you think this right

like you and not hectic being super off about alt things feels too unreasonable to me

You mean Sigmund right?

[Dwlee99]

Messy Anne is koba, right?

there's no way you think this right

like you and not hectic being super off about alt things feels too unreasonable to me

You mean Sigmund right?

I should have read more carefully mb

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Yea. It feels unreasonable. Could be stupid or scum who knows. ANYWAY, I think Anne is evil so please vote them.

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If you're the kind of person that needs a case I can go through their ISO tomorrow morning when I'll have access to a computer.

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I'm really just feeling unreasonably confident about it based on something I read in their ISO like two days ago. They also have done nothing day 2 and that's enough to yeet them imo. At least Monkey was doing

something

today. Sigmund's clip would provide us with basically no info and is again at least trying today. The hood has some weird claim thing brewing so we kinda need to see what happens with that. I have some paranoia that the entire hood is evil but also I am townreading NH and Johnny anyway.

Yea. It feels unreasonable. Could be stupid or scum who knows. ANYWAY, I think Anne is evil so please vote them.

???
Ellaborate on this.

Why is it "stupid or scum who knows".

I

"Stupid or scum, who knows?"
As in, T3 and Sigmund just missed the altslip ("stupid") or are trying to pretend they did ("scum"). I say stupid in the least offensive way possible btw, I miss posts too.

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Sigmund just missed the altslip ("stupid") or are trying to pretend they did ("scum").

wait do you also believe that sigmund did not know not hectic was not actually hectic?

Didn't sigmund at some point not know that not hectic was not hectic after the alt slip? I don't remember the details, but I mentally lumped it in with what happened w T3.

At least Monkey was doing something today. Sigmund's clip would provide us with basically no info and is again at least trying today. The hood has some weird claim thing brewing so we kinda need to see what happens with that. I have some paranoia that the entire hood is evil but also I am townreading NH and Johnny anyway.

you know doing something is worse than doing nothing for the town if the player in question is mafia, right? and if the things they are doing are not towny things, ...

it's like, jake gets wagoned, gamma emerald gets nightkilled, you agree that creating stagnant situation possibly mafia goal,

at least one member of the mafia would likely be trying to steer the ship to take advantage of stagnant game, i'm not mafia, so

If you're not mafia who is the scum trying to lead the game? I guess you're positing monkey. I agree that "trying to do things" is worse if they're mafia in the abstract, but in terms of finding someone's alignment I find it much easier to go "this player is doing literally nothing for the game, they're probably evil" than to mentally evaluate whether exactly what Monkey is doing is scummy or not.

Ok i thought you were talking about me with that. Try to be more clear and concise in your wording please

I felt like it was clear from context but fair enough.

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You mean Sigmund right?

no i mean not hectic treating sigmund as though sigmund thinks not hectic is hectic and also debating sigmund's identity

like those felt too far off to be reasonable to me

Wait I went to go check and now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about T3 and Sigmund both not understanding NaHA's identity?

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Why does no one want to vote Anne? You can't all be scum with them.

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What if we compromised on a few of the scummiest players being forced to claim, Shiki?

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I was thinking Sigmund, T3, and Anne

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T3 can you assuage my fears that y'all are all evil?

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I was thinking Sigmund, T3, and Anne

Also we should throw monkey slot on here.

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T3 can you assuage my fears that y'all are all evil?

Is that a no?

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Trihourly reminder that Anne needs to be yeeted.

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by noted I mean I'm going to murder-rate you tommorrow dont nightkill me coward

VOTE: Anya

wait when you put anya at E-1 you thought we were still in RVS?

Ya, Anya wasn't scummy at that point. Somebody said that wagons are good for reads so I wagoned.

If I'm scummy to you, you need your reads meter checked. Chill out playa, it's day 1 and I've posted like 3 times.

T3 can I assume that y'all are town for a VCA?

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Those quotes are irrelevant to what I put below them but those posts felt forced.

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Why are you seeking validation for that @dwlee?

For what?

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With the Anne quotes or the question to T3? I'm not following.

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I said y'all, implying him and his "neighborhood." That's what I wanted confirmation on, because that information is useful in performing wagon analysis.

Why aren't you scum?

Well, I got sent this real fun pm by Menalque and...

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To be honewt I was going make up some read so i could reread later but I honestly don't have any reads on skim yet - based on this page I would sort Dwlee as town though.

yeah dwlee is the most obvtown player up to this point, I'd say

...also I never kill Gamma if I'm evil here

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Well, I got sent this real fun pm by Menalque and...

i strongly believe this should fall under 'private communications' rule as to not invite angleshooting

This is just the same as saying "I got a town role pm" which is the same as saying "I am town"

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Okay all I'm going to say on that matter is that I didn't check who sent the PM and just picked one of the mods. I think the discussion about that should stop there.

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...also I never kill Gamma if I'm evil here

...

Do you disagree?

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I found it when I was reading to try to figure out why Gamma died.

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I'm getting antsy let's do this
VOTE: Monkey slot

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We're not rushing the elimination onto a slot that can give us a fresh perspective

It's probably scum and y'all won't vote for Anne so what am I supposed to do? Spamming the next few pages saying "get Anne" isn't gonna do anything, I imagine

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Rushing is pro-scum.

Counterpoint: no

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In summary: there is a difference between rushing and not wanting to stall. My vote does nothing on Anne it seems and I don't want the game to stall. Better to vote with some compromise than let the game just drag.

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I am being pedantic. I agree "rushing" is bad because that word implies too fast. I'm contending that I disagree on what rushing is.

If you think the game is stalling maybe actually ask the people who are static why they're static there's a brainwave.

I feel like half the game hasn't posted in a couple days but that might just be a mental thing.

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So Anne hasn't posted in forever and we are waiting on a monkey replacement andddd we need to do something.

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Scum is scum whether it is being replaced or not. Realistically though I tried to push Anne ig and got nowhere, really feeling like the entire scum team or at least 2 is in the list of people who have hardly posted today.

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Ye sure, we can still build a wagon? Also at this rate it feels like we are gonna hit deadline before Monkey (and now it seems Anne too) get replaced.

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Okay well we got less than a page in a RL day with three mod posts and a dead player bah posting so this is a game for sure.

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T3 are you sure you should wait with any of this info? You're essentially claiming that yourself, Johnny, and Hectic are goodTM, correct?

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I'd be a lot smarter about it if I had a red check on Anne.

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I wouldn't just claim it, but I wouldn't do this either.

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Feeling like I should have just said yes to asking if I had a guilty on Anne so something would happen.

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What did you think I said that was bad faith?

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Johnny is also very much due for a prod.

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that he hasn't even pointed out, by the way

*they haven't, i'm sorry,

You're good, any pronouns work tbh.

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What's the theory on L-1ing this?

by noted I mean I'm going to murder-rate you tommorrow dont nightkill me coward

VOTE: Anya

Weird posting

wait when you put anya at E-1 you thought we were still in RVS?

Ya, Anya wasn't scummy at that point. Somebody said that wagons are good for reads so I wagoned.

If I'm scummy to you, you need your reads meter checked. Chill out playa, it's day 1 and I've posted like 3 times.

Too defensive

Rae is weird for voting me because I didn't think that was a good reason, but I'm not sure if it's a made-up reason. Messy Anne feels like they were trying to put their vote on something productive, but I have no idea what's on their head.

Accurate! Messy Anne wants to help and do good, but is bad at game and doesn't have a lot of time. Johnny and Sigmund felt good at the time so I sheeped.

Can people go into their Johnny read? People seem to be scum reading him but he feels the most town to me other than Sigmund. Maybe tied with Anya

If anybody (Jake) thinks my sigmund read is off base I'll give it a second look later but I'm pretty sure of this one still

looks like trying to get a reason to vote in Johnny/Sigmund.

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like it seems like t3 is hinting at a neighbourhood with pr in addition to neighbours, mafia in said neighbourhood is therefore semi-informed et cetera et cetera

if two people in neighbourhood are claiming abilities then one is almost always mafia, right?

I was in a game where there were two town role cops in a good together.

[Dwlee99]

Hood*

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Well it wasn't mod vs players there either. It is just a hood mechanic and I found it fun. First hood member died and then the other lived to ELO and was not elimed and also wasn't the town that made the losing vote, so it wasn't that bad.

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looks like trying to get a reason to vote in Johnny/Sigmund.

oh the open question thing, i did miss this on my review of the iso, though it still doesn't feel like stronger evidence than the hammer or the revote to me,

You would hate playing with not_mafia lol
Sorry, I should multi-quote more

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Is all it took me quoting three(?) posts. Oml, I wish the sob emoji worked on this forum.

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VOTE: Anne
Okay guess we are finally doing this. I think this is E-2

But lets see if they get replaced before pushing to eliminate

I'm skeptical that even monkey gets replaced in the three and a half days.

Is all it took me quoting three(?) posts. Oml, I wish the sob emoji worked on this forum.

tbh i had no idea what the case was before you brought up those documents

Okay this is fair I think I just said "they sus" and left it at that. Asked if Shiki wanted a case and got a "I ISO'd idc" or something

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Sigmund what are you even trying to do right now?

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Do you have other reads?

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Do you have other reads?

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Nero here is your chance to obvtown but I kind of want to murder your slot.

[Dwlee99]

First we murder megabyte though ig you also have the chance to spew but I'm pretty sure you're just evil sorry.

[Dwlee99]

That's Anne at E-1 I believe

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Wait you said that already I'm silly.

everyone out to see who can be scummiest?

What's up Shiki?

[Dwlee99]

The Anne/MiniMegaByte slot cause there were some bad posts + I'm kind of PoEing at this point.

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UNVOTE:
Just for you Shiki

[Dwlee99]

Btw Nero your slot claimed vigilante. Is that true?

[Dwlee99]

I hope I'm a vig.

someone toss me a messy anne case

[Dwlee99]

So you aren't confirming your slot's earlier claim or have you not read your role pm?

[Dwlee99]

Lol it doesn't matter if it is a level 1 play if it has a chance to work.

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Given Sigmund's play, an Anne + Sigmund team makes a lot of sense right now. Sigmund could be trying to distance from a buddy by blind pushing NAHA but that's hella WIFOM rn.

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Maybe that you ignored my question twice?

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I mean you responded kinda weird so I still got that out of it. If you immediately responded (meaning little time to read ISO) I feel like I would have gotten even more from the interaction.

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Any thoughts? Just the crickets?

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A player once said that paraphrasing a role pm takes seconds, crafting a good fake claim takes an eternity. Not claiming there is a bad look imo.

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N1 action?

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why would you show off your machoness couldn't you have pretended you were shy

Maybe scum rolestopper claiming the macho to make it seem more townie? Not sure.

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Okay well any last words mini?

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If Sigmund isn't evil we deserve this loss holy crap. Reminder we are in MELO. Probably should no elim unless someone wants to give us epic information. Also I had a dream that there was like a snoop (t3) or something? in a neighborhood and then it publicly confirmed three people's alignments and NAHA (now VFP) came up mafia something. Truly weird.

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Also why did Anya die instead of literally anyone else?

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Okay but I 1.) Couldn't remove vote from Anne cause I wasn't even on the wagon 2.) Okay fair on Jake but still this quickhammer shit by Sigmund is blatantly anti-town.

pedit: I was considering coming into day saying the same thing as Sigmund there hmmm

[Dwlee99]

Shiki I'm letting you pick massclaim order.

[Dwlee99]

I mean does anyone really think scum me lol-hammers two straight townies when I'm not even driving their wagon.

Refuge in audacity?

[Dwlee99]

You couldn't even produce reads for me when I asked yesterday and then you hammered town. Seems like a scum-claim to me

It'd be like a mafia member walking by a random mob-justice event and deciding hey I'm going to make myself look bad by stabbing to death this dude who is already going to die.

like really?

This reasoning is completely flawed

[Dwlee99]

T3 it is time to give us that info please.

I think the catchphrase that is more accurate here is FOMO cuz I was worried people were going to kill a bad guy finally and I was missing out.

Honestly I just want to kill one baddie please this is kind of ridiculous

Lmao

[Dwlee99]

Oh I must have missed that cause I was trying to get Nero to claim vigilante lol

[Dwlee99]

still this quickhammer shit by Sigmund is blatantly anti-town.

i did point out to you and others that voting messy anne over sigmund didn't make sense? and t3 setting up another opportunity for sigmund to do this while saying sigmund was their top mafia read didn't make any sense?

I unvoted. I agree T3 AND Nero look hella bad for letting that happen. I hate that I'm not actually sure if Sigmund is evil.

like I can buy that you're just bad town driving 2 straight mis-elims DLee but like Fake Hectic is just blatantly powerwolfing and killing townies left and right and we have to get kill Fake Hectic otherwise it is just humiliating loss and I refuse to admit I even played in this game.

oof ouch owie my feelings

[Dwlee99]

I was kidding with the feelings comment. I get it, I've been very wrong.

[Dwlee99]

Shiki pick massclaim order please.

[Dwlee99]

Shiki pick massclaim order please.

i am a vanilla town.

kinda want rae first but should probably be t3/vfp

Okay so who is next?

[Dwlee99]

Who is MMB?

[Dwlee99]

Shiki aren't we supposed to do it in order of who we think is scummiest? You claiming first then me is not conducive to that ordering, but I will if you still want me to.

[Dwlee99]

VT, Sigmund your turn

[Dwlee99]

Also, reminder to not talk about claims until we are all done

[Dwlee99]

Rae get over here.

[Dwlee99]

Kinda doubting this order actually. Can Rae go last?

[Dwlee99]

I don't like the idea that Rae could have info that nails t3/VFP/johnny on some total BS neighborhood claim thing and has to out it before they claim

Pedit: okay cool ig lmao

[Dwlee99]

I vote observe because I trust you.

[Dwlee99]

Okay it is time to finally find out what t3, VFP, and Johnny are up to.

[Dwlee99]

Well there are exactly three people that haven't checked in

[Dwlee99]

Targets?

[Dwlee99]

I'm inclined to believe all power roles so let's hear the guilty. Please no hasty votes as I want to explain a strategy anyway once the guilty comes out.

[Dwlee99]

I'm inclined to believe all power roles so let's hear the guilty. Please no hasty votes as I want to explain a strategy anyway once the guilty comes out.

if you are town and all of the power roles are truthful the mafia is exactly {sigmund, nero cain, vfp}

I mean, this seems believable but also weird balance-wise so idk.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so what was happening with the whole "NaHA is probably town but we can't know yet?"

[Dwlee99]

I think we no lim here but be back in a little

[Dwlee99]

Rolestopper implies roleblocker imo. Rolestopper can protect PRs from the roleblock.

[Dwlee99]

I'm just confused why mafia wouldn't kill in the masonry when that is obviously what they were claiming and I think scum just lost on bad night kills unless rae is bs. Reason for no kill here would be to get another cop invest off.

[Dwlee99]

No kill -> no elim

[Dwlee99]

i never change my shiki read ever

I agree but the more people that say this the more concerned I get lmao guess we all suck it up at some point.

? how would we get a cop invest?

Rae targets someone tonight?

[Dwlee99]

Why do you keep saying there is no way we get an invest off?

[Dwlee99]

I mean we can do the math but I think our chance of winning based on eliminating is the same w no elim so we should go for getting an investigation off.

Rae targets someone tonight?

and the mafia kill rae? oh wait this is smart

but the mafia can just not kill rae to leave the wifom,

Okay but then if we later can somehow confirm rae is good (idk flip VFP unless it's a bus?) then we have an extra result.

[Dwlee99]

the approach to it today was pretty staged and it looked like Dwlee was trying to tell the traitor to go for the fake guilty.

Huh

[Dwlee99]

Honestly if you're town and think I'm evil get that out of your head because there is zero way I kill the two people in the game who say they think I'm town. Gamma called me obvtown and Anya said she believes I wouldn't drive Gamma into the desert and you think I killed them over the obviously softing masons? You're insane.

[Dwlee99]

Lol really feeling like Rae/VFP could be a thing now. Almost feels like VFP wants to get eliminated here.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think that could ever fit the definition of throwing. I've "rechecked" (cool slang) scum buddies before.

[Dwlee99]

I don't understand the words you say but I think I get them together, Shiki.

[Dwlee99]

1632 makes me irrationally want to put the whole game on the Rae/Shiki/Me/T3/Johnny solve.

[Dwlee99]

Okay, so new plan.
No lim.
Someone dies. Most likely a Mason since they are irrelevant as proven town.
I narrow the scum pool to me, Nero, Dwlee, and Rae.

Easy pickings.

Weren't you just saying this was a bad plan. What changed?

[Dwlee99]

Actually I think we can prove this today.
Nero and Dwlee vote me, this will confirm that scum is either me plus 2 others (including these 3) or this is the scum team.

VOTE: VFP

LOL

I narrow the scum pool to me, Nero, Dwlee, and Rae.

how does sigmund get removed from the scumpool here

weird slip mmm

[Dwlee99]

Actually I think we can prove this today.
Nero and Dwlee vote me, this will confirm that scum is either me plus 2 others (including these 3) or this is the scum team.

VOTE: VFP

LOL

I narrow the scum pool to me, Nero, Dwlee, and Rae.

how does sigmund get removed from the scumpool here

weird slip mmm

[Dwlee99]

I know we talked about game throwing earlier but if VFP is actually town this is actually game throwing.

[Dwlee99]

Scum can't hammer here anyway? They'd have two votes not three. I don't see your point Rae.

[Dwlee99]

Rae is already on Sigmund, Shiki.

[Dwlee99]

And elim requires 5. No team is mech cleared impossible

[Dwlee99]

I guess the shiki/Dwlee/Sigmund team is mech cleared but we knew that.

[Dwlee99]

It's called flailing, Sigmund.

[Dwlee99]

I know we talked about game throwing earlier but if VFP is actually town this is actually game throwing.

The only way this is game throwing is if the scum team is exactly Rae, Sig and Shiki.
From your PoV you know that Rae or me are scum. You think both, right? So your vote with Nero's shouldn't be an issue to put me to E1?

So unless you doubt that I'm actually scum here and town read Nero, what's the issue?

If I was 100% certain you were scum I'd vote you. I'm not. It's MELO, I don't drop easy votes in these game states.