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VOTE: shiki

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don't be silly

i had clothes

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fuck

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sailor moon!

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The Secondary idea you need to believe is that scum players tend to not push all at once on a wagon, to try and avoid association tells, which means it is unlikely that there were 3 scum on her wagon.

I don't really believe this because Anya's wagon happened in a timespan where not everyone had the demonstrable opportunity to participate.

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shiki could be town.

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They've done some of their town-meta actions.

How did you differentiate between Anya's scum meta and town meta?

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VOTE: Sigmund I agree that this slot needs to sweat

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but what's your actual reads, Sigmund?

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was this a necessary step towards moving your rvs vote? or did the events just coincide for you?

my rvs vote was going to move regardless to where I need to move it. i thought you could be town because i feel like you approach this game with lightheartedness in contrast to when I was scum with you and you were stiff with anxiety.

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Sigmund is openwolfing. He doesn't even have reads.

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Technically speaking Anya could be mafia, and thus satisfy the 1 scum requirement of my hypothesis.
I'm not saying that it is literally impossible for all of the mafia to be on the wagon, but that result is unlikely.

The reason why I think that it is unlikely that Anya's wagon was town driven was because of how easily she got to E-1 without much objection. Usually town are not that cooperative in executing another member, especially in the very early game.

this is a lot of mumbo jumbo

VOTE: Opposit3s

die die die die die

what

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sheep me guys this is gonna flip scum

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u have a very pretty avi, anime girl

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I wouldn't go so far as to be open-wolfing, but so far his actions are not great.

Do you scumread him?

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Would you agree that it is unlikely that no scum were online to participate?

Yes but the exercise of making 2 groups really did seem to me like fake scumhunting

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also lol @ reads before everyone has even logged in to post

we're at page 10. will everyone having a post help with your reads?

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do you scumread me, sigmund?

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oh so you have reads. and even before everyone has posted. so whats lol about it then?

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yeah this guy is scum

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I got the information I need from Sigmund and that information is that he's scum.

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In my wagon:

→ Sigmund, whose current activities include desperately pushing for a quickhammer before page 10 on a slot he doesn't have a read yet, throwing meaningless votes, and going for an OMGUS wagon for bogus reasons.
→ Johnny, who agrees that my thought process is "fake af", but hasn't really demonstrated why. (You really think my thought process is fake, in contrast to Sigmund here?)
→ Anne, who thinks Sigmund is "moving the game forward and causing people to make positive statements." (How??)
→ Jake, who thinks I was town because I pushed Sigmund but still puts his vote on my wagon anyway despite that it's Sigmund that started it. This guy even actively tries to stop people from discussing Sigmund, the loudest player on this game, for no apparent reason. (Why are you even doing that?)

Yeah. I'm SURE this is a town-motivated wagon. I have no idea why people think Sigmund is town for how he's playing here.

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I'm SURE this is a town-motivated wagon.

NOT!

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VOTE: Monkey
I'll see where this goes.

This vote, at least, you can squint and think "he's trying to figure the game out".

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You're scumreading my townread. Is this part of your thought process?
-Sigmund said reads on day 1 are silly
-Sigmund has reads on day 1
-Sigmund is silly (and is also a liar and therefore scum, another S word)
I want to know if I'm accurately reading your posts!

No. I just don't see town motivation for anything that he's doing and I can see scum motivation in everything that he's doing. I believe him that he doesn't have reads — because he doesn't have any. He's not trying to read. He's being as loud as possible, but nothing about what he's doing says that those actions were meant to solve the game in any meaningful way. He's trying to vote me, but I don't believe that he thinks I'm scum and his reason "being fake and superficial" is pulled out of his asshole.

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i think the flailing around is an account gimmick and he's making enemies with everyone

none of these are alignment indicative.

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what's alignment indicative is what he does with that gimmick, and so far, I can't say he could be doing it for town-motivated reasons.

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I can answer this later

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What do you think about these four?

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
Absolutely terrible rebuttal.

can you explain?

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what about me seems annoyed flailing scum?

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lol

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Monkey, please give more content.

This is another example of what shiki mentioned earlier where your traffic direction looks as if it's just for show.

→ Jake, who thinks I was town because I pushed Sigmund but still puts his vote on my wagon anyway despite that it's Sigmund that started it. This guy even actively tries to stop people from discussing Sigmund, the loudest player on this game, for no apparent reason. (Why are you even doing that?)

Respond to this

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Btw, after I flip, lynch in my wagon. There's at least 2 scum in here.

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So you think I'm a townlean, but you voted for me and even now that you are aware that I'm L-1 you are risking my lynch. Why? Who are your scumreads and why aren't you voting for them instead?

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you scumread Sigmund with me

what

So you believe this, but instead of going to Sigmund's wagon with me, you go to my wagon. Why?

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I will answer these once you provide more content. Until then, please provide more content.

what do you think these questions are for? what do you think content is? i'm trying to sort you and your motivations, and you're here trying to avoid answering my questions "because I don't have enough content".

Answer me

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Yeah. If I'm going to guess, it's Sigmund and Jake The Wolfie.

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I would wait at least another day until we hammer monkey, although the way he's going I don't think much will change.

this, coming from a guy who townleans me and scumreads the guy who started this wagon.

can we yeet this please.

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I'm not interested in doing that. I'm done here. You guys exposed yourself too early.

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Link to VC on page.

I'm sorry if you are town, but I'm now scumleaning you.

show your progression

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you responded like scum

which is?

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you responded like scum

No. What is the response I made that make you think I'm scum?

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If you were voting someone to get a better read on them, and instead of giving you something to work with, they ignored and deflected your honest investigation for something stronger to base your reads off of, then would you think they are scummy?

Your "tell me why you're town" is bogus. First, there's no real reliable way to prove that. Second, I don't want to be locked into proving something I can't. That's not productive use of my time. What value would you have about why I think I'm town? Third, if you have a townlean on someone, you don't put them at E-1 with your scumread just to "get a better read at them". You already have a read on them — You townlean them. I don't see you doing that to Anya during the beginning or Sigmund or anyone whose slots are still unknown. You want my content, you can have them throughout the day — not in these flamboyant displays of "scumhunting".

Plus, if you really wanted my content, you could have answered my questions. We could have had a discussion on the game, instead of saying "I won't answer your questions because I'm not at E-1."

Bogus. I also noticed that you tried your best to give an actual answer on this, when you could have went right to this answer from the start. You were buying time because you didn't have an actual answer.

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I also noticed that you tried your best to give an actual answer on this

EBWOP: I also noticed that you tried your best to

delay giving

an actual answer on this

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I'm sorry if you are town, but I'm now scumleaning you.

Take a look at this guy.

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@Dwlee99, I can only vote for one.

I can buy T3 and Johnny's reasons for voting. I don't buy Rae's reason for voting. I have no idea what's going on inside Messy Anne's head. @Messy Anne, why did you vote me?

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i keep being characterized as flipping out. i didn't "flip out", I sorted the people who are in my wagon and tried to figure out if it's town-motivated. I don't think it is. I think Sigmund and Jake The Wolfe are scum who pulled a reason out of their ass to vote me here. Both of their progressions don't make sense, and it's a wonder to me why people think Sigmund is town.

dude flipped out and started analyzing his wagon as if scum would try to precisely kill him off. i don't even remember anything monkey did at that point but apparently his word is worth in gold.

well what would you have done? if your wagon reaches E-1 with a person you think is scum on the forefront and a guy who townleaned you hopping in and then subsequently scumreading you for "not making a case that you're town", what would you do?

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monkey once pushed me for like ten pages to vote

i can confirm shiki takes her time

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If you guys are done with my wagon, I want a Sigmund or Jake The Wolfe wagon.

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Are you trying to characterize me as only having a read on both you and Sigmund, and dismissing the other real comments I made on other players?

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VOTE: JakeTheWolfie Yes finally

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Give me time, I just woke up. I'll read the thread from here and have a better view of the game.

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I think Jake and Sigmund needs most attention. I like you, Dwlee, Anya, shiki. I'm not sure about T3, JohnnyFarrar. Extra unsure about Rae, Messy Anne.

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T3 and JohnnyFarrar are people who like using guts and blurting out their reads. It's an opaque emotion-based process. Later I feel like I can sort them out if I find myself empathizing with their POV.

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Rae is weird for voting me because I didn't think that was a good reason, but I'm not sure if it's a made-up reason. Messy Anne feels like they were trying to put their vote on something productive, but I have no idea what's on their head.

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shiki i think is town based on mood-based meta. this is not a very strong read but I'm inclined to think this slot is town.

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Dwlee, Anya, you are the only players that show thought in this game.

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Aaaaand those are my impressions pre-reread. I'll check back with you later.

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if you're done sussing me out Johnny, hop in the Jake wagon

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Jake feels like the kind of player who would post a lot less and with fewer words as wolf be more cagey

how did you figure?

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what's injectionbaity?

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I'm not seeing Jake as state-sponsored-execution-baity at all. That's a label reserved for people with opaque processes, lurky, or wagon-jumpy (like what you would expect Sigmund to be if he's town, but I'll make the case that he isn't). The Jake I'm seeing here is town-leady "obvtowny", and I'm sure that's what he's trying to emulate, but I don't think "MAKE A CASE THAT YOU'RE TOWN!" is an actual play that you'll pull if you're genuinely trying to sort between slots. It's bogus as hell.

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Like seriously consider the POV he's presenting here:

Hi, I'm Jake The Wolfie. I townlean HEM because of his Sigmund push and I agree with him! Oh, what's this? Sigmund is trying to counterwagon him? Sigmund, a guy that I'm scumreading and whose scumminess I agree with? Better join his wagon, I guess! Hey, Monkey! Make a case why you're town! Make content! I won't answer your reasonable questions of why I'm voting you, because I'm not the one at L-1 here. Oh, what's that? You think I'm scummy for voting you? Well, by trying to engage me here, you're scum. I'm sorry if you're town, but I'm content with my vote.

Jake will say I'm misrepresenting here. I won't. This is exactly what happened during that period. He claims this is a valid method to sort me.

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I won't.

EBWOP: I'm not.

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UNVOTE:

Holy hell, Sleep does wonders to you, you guys should try it sometime.

I am unsure what to think now, I might hop on the T3 wagon later after a quick ISO/Metadive when I get my laptop out.

Why? I thought I'm scum? How did you figure I'm town?

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lmao

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Hello

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monkey is this overarching style of play just ur thing or what. i can't gather why you feel so jam so many words into ur fucking posts. i thought it was scummy before and i think it's scummy now.

Why is it scummy?

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monkey is this overarching style of play just ur thing or what. i can't gather why you feel so jam so many words into ur fucking posts. i thought it was scummy before and i think it's scummy now.

Why is it scummy?

Ha jinx

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shiki's iso doesn't seem much if you look at it by itself, but when you realize she was the only one that felt like they were trying to solve stuff and trying to make sense of stuff at that point of the game where Sigmund and Jake The Wolfie where leading the town, she seems so townie in comparison.

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mmm yes yes dwlee you can be town as well.

this good post

mmm yes yes dwlee you can be town as well.

this good post

assuming it is the wanting results thing unless you see something else guess i should have asked that first

i think dwlee really thought they could catch someone out with a fake lolhammer. it's town spirit. does that answer u shiki

yes! it is the wanting results thing!

dwlee takes an action (in this case e-2 already on wagon fakehammer) > dwlee wants said action to have netted results > dwlee is likely town (or

knows

but eh)

this is a very transparent and logical sorting process that's very hard to fake as scum

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although 23 pages in, and no analysis from shiki feels wrong. i'd have hoped she has one right now so I can see the game from her POV.

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[3] Jake the Wolfie: NotAHecticAlt, Dwlee99, humaneatingmonkey

good wagon

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when i was scum, and she was town, that was what I pushed her for as far as I remember

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good morning shiki

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you're procrastinating on this game, aren't you?

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great to hear

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"fakesolve to get towncred" is the title of Jake The Wolfie's theme song.

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Wrong game sorry

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you have never explained your read on me other than the length of my posts.

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I bet Rae's scum as well.

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yeah Rae's scum

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i think monkey is more scum dependent on what the other flips. bad to read the game like that but it happens.

this is made up. why am I scum dependent on what other flips, but you have no other scum reads? why would other people flipping make me scum, and why won't you aim to flip them first?

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Anya is pushing me quite a bit and doing nothing else

is this statement true? Anya is also pushing T3 on the side. Sorry bro, she's not loyal.

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Anya, can I imagine you with a Southern accent from now on?

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perfect

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I think Anya townreads Jake.

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shiki what do you think of Jake?

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you johnny t3

shiki, I understand the NAHA read. They were inconsistent in their partnering Jake/T3/Anya. What do you think about now that he answered it?

How about Johnny and T3? I don't think you've articulated it in a way that I can understand it.

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shiki... how is Jake town?

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shiki, I'm disappointed because that read is too shallow for you and now I'm thinking maybe you're scum with him.

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What can you say about what I pointed out about Jake's process and how fake it was, as in I don't think they believed that they were really sorting me, not only that I think they were doing it for towncred.

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if you're looking at processes that don't match/inconsistent, you should iso Jake and take a look at the moment he hopped on my wagon. Tell me your thoughts onthat.

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I really didn't think you'd miss that, but you did, and now I'm bothered

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Yes, but you didn't make a comment on it, but instead framed it like it was just about Jake being "towncred grabber"

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Please give it some thought and then let me know what you think about it and how it would influence your read on Jake

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I argue that the entire progression is not genuine at all and meant to place a meaningless vote. Wouldn't that be mafia-indicative? Could you believe the sequence of events he made during that time as an actual town process?

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I remind you that standoffish is not the opposite of mafia indicative.

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i wasn't referring to the above specifically.

have you referred to it before?

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because you said you haven't missed it, but I haven't really heard anything about what you think about it.

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shiki, what are you doing? you are misframing me. i think you are potentially jake's partner because you have omitted some critical things about his wagon from your read on him that you have not made a comment on, and now i'm forcing you to comment on it and I didn't think I had to.

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yeah i don't find it all that different from you trying to say i am potentially jake's partner simply because i haven't agreed with this specific post you made

if you would elaborate this more, I would like to hear it.

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this post is a dismissal without explanation + shade. it reads like chainsaw defense, and why wouldn't I read it like that?

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I mean #720

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you didn't mention that Jake's question was "make a case why you're town". do you think this was a valid question to sort someone?

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you say i 'omitted' critical things that i read and didn't agree with your view of and therefore i might be jake's partner

you can quote me, because I said what I really meant not far from this post. i didn't care that you disagreed with it, just that it was never mentioned. and then I had to do this to understand what you thought about it.

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??? doesn't a chainsaw defense have to involve me thinking you are mafia? which i do not

i will make things clear, so that we do not misunderstand each other.

i thought your Jake town read omits the circumstances of my wagon and dismisses the wagon as "Jake was doing things that can seem like towncred-grabbing" when i was still waiting on your comment on the other thing. and now, you are seemingly crossed while we talk about it. it seemed like your reason for town-reading him and defending him was shallow, which makes me question your association.

now that you've clarified and shed light on what you thought about the circumstances of my wagon, i still don't understand it but I have to process it.

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but also you can just ask me specifically what you want to know. you do not have to pressure me and decide i am mafia for not commenting on something. takes less pages.

i did ask you what I want to know. more than that, I told you what I felt about you and why I was asking it.

You felt pressure, but I do not know why.

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At this point i'm not as sure and feel as though shiki could be scum that is trying to take advantage of Jake suspicion and is scum themselves and trying to distance away from the wagon and get towncred from it and then push people such as myself later to chain mislims.

so you don't think she would position herself like this as town?

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seem like an issue in communication that could simply be solved by you having asked about the circumstances of your wagon

i wanted to know how you would present your read on them based on the context of this game.

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i got what i needed, thank you.

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not a useful one. but do you think jake as town only asks valid questions? if so, could you explain why

i think jake, as town, if his intentions for hopping in the wagon his scumread started was to sort his townlean better, would have asked questions that would truly sort me from his POV.

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shiki is a shining river filled with cities

this is too metaphorical for my primate brain. can you express this differently?

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shiki town

can you explain this read

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i assume it's meta-based

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I actually have to agree that HEM’s response to dwlee’s question was bad
It was a blatant attempt to turn the question around on the asker.

I don't remember doing this to Dwlee's question?

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I told Dwlee that I can answer him later, which I did.

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Good night

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That video is thoroughly unfunny.

you don't like Borat?

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what a shame

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By delaying your response while trying to fish out an opinion of the one who asked, you attempted to give yourself safer ground to provide your response. It doesn’t matter whether it succeeded or failed, neither does you actually answering at a later point. The issue is that you made such a move at all.

...I delayed my response because I actually have to form those opinions first.

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Borat is okay, but that video is just cringeworthy
When was that video even created, because the more recent it is the worse it is IMO

It's in the first movie.

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I try not to. I'll change my sig soon, but I can't because of ongoing games.

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And why couldn’t you do so then?

I needed to sort the people in my wagon first.

Finish your re-read.

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NAHA, you haven't told me about the shiki metaread first

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you are confused i think

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good night

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you are confused i think. i dont remember any interaction with dwlee like that. do you mean jake? i'd answer you but I don't know if we are talking about the same things. we can talk about it tomorrow

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I believe Johnny that we shouldn't elim T3 for reasons also

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It's either stockholm syndrome or I'm an idiot but I'm thinking Sigmund town

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I used to think that but if he's scum, who is he scum with?

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you might be right. i need to re-read the game.

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Early game Johnny

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Let's just say it leans Johnny town for ~reasons~.

ehhh liking this approach less and less compared to

okay mass claim time

this is sus

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actual scum motive

This because I don't see the point in doing any mass claim right now from town perspective.

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I believe Johnny that we shouldn't elim T3 for reasons also

so you believe we should not eliminate t3 for 'reasons', not hectic believes johnny is town for 'reasons', and johnny is now maybe reevaluating with regards to t3

I will not continue discussing this

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why not? what is the downside? to you find it unlikely to solve the game?

as it is, I think it will help scum solve the game faster than we solve it.

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I will do a re-read

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opposed to a mass claim because you think it will help scum solve the game but you are happy to imply you might have knowledge about t3's alignment

do you really believe this makes me scum? or are you just voting to pressure me into a claim?

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hmmm okay

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you think i'm softing PR?

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i'm not softing PR

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my thought process will be made clearer soon

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interesting that your first reaction to slots you thought softed PR is to make them claim.

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why?

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Why are we massclaiming on d2 again?

i also don't understand shiki here man

scum wouldn't be this brazen, right?

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seems the best way to solve the game, much more likely to result in finding the mafia than another day like yesterday, for setup reasons it makes much more sense to do so today than tomorrow

why? this is what i'm missing. you reiterate that it's the best way to solve the game, but i'm not seeing why

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you can't just say something as opaque and broad like that thinking that I will automatically understand you. your claim is that the current direction of the game will not result in a town victory. support that claim. what about the current direction of the game makes you think mass claim is the best way to solve it? if you say "2 dead vanilla townies" then that's meaningless until you demonstrate what 2 dead vanilla townies imply and why it makes the game unsolvable without a massclaim.

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honestly, 2 dead vanilla townies seem like an ideal situation if we indeed have PRs. so I'm not at all empathizing with your POV here.

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claim a role, resulting in a potential counterclaim

Mafia have daytalk.
Mafia are multitasking.
The alignment distribution is 9:3.

What about the setup makes you think this?

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because you continued pushing a bad wagon despite acting like you wanted my input? and sigmund and not hectic are the other two most active participants in the game and they both were extremely scummy at end of day yesterday and are now fighting with eachother?

It was a good wagon and I'm glad Jake is out of the game. I wanted your input because I want everybody's input. I don't see how this is relevant to massclaiming?

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also it is wild to say that was a good wagon and probably mafia indicative

how? because he flipped town? he was legitimately scummy and there was little he did to convince me that he was town.

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even you thought he was potenitally scummy

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when we discussed it, you also dismissed the things I said were mafia-indicative in favor of the town-indicative things that you said he was. you didn't debunk my claim.

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because you said it was a bad wagon, and I reiterate that it's a good wagon.

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it's better to have the information of Jake's alignment right now than to not have it, otherwise I will keep on thinking he's scum throughout the whole game and mislead myself.

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i read your defense as chainsaw defense and potentially scummy. i didn't see you as another town, and i'm struggling to see you as town even now.

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so your plan is to massclaim so that PRs can counterclaim mafia who would claim PR? what happens if the mafia doesn't claim PR and instead we just reveal who the PRs to the scum so they can kill them at night? as you said, we might still have VTs around who can potentially shield PRs from NK. with all your intelligence, I dont see you not recognizing this at all.

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and how do you PoE 3 to 5 vanilla town properly without losing in LYLO? If you say scumhunting and by play, why don't we just do it all now and let the game take course naturally so we can get more information from dayplay?

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How many mislims do we have right now? do we have maximum 5 mislims?

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worst case scenario, mafia fakeclaims and we reveal to mafia who the PRs are which makes this plan of yours not work. best case scenario, no mafia fakeclaims and WE STILL won't be able to mechanically solve the game.

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? if we miselim twice now game is over

and how many VTs will you have on your PoE? 3 to 5?

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I find it hard to believe that this massclaim has the town's best interest in mind.

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we can simply determine which mafia is fakeclaiming

i don't think it will be that simple.

i don't see how you don't think that this is a net loss on town's position.

[humaneatingmonkey]

shiki, i don't underestimate you, but right now, you are overestimating yourself.

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as i believe each game you've played with me in which i was town was solved in this manner

iirc we have only played twice? with one you're town and i'm scum, and two we're both scum. have we played a third time?

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third we were both town

i was wildly distracted that game and i wasn't paying attention

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by gut shiki, until i trust you enough that you really think this is a genuine winning strategy, I won't support this. for now, I'll have to re-read the game.

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T3 claimed neighbor?

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i understand that it isn't foolproof but i also do not understand how waiting an additional day is solving this particular issue either. in the case of your example we would gain a cop check and a potential doctor save but with increased odds of us eliminating a town today.

More dayplay without claims is the answer.

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If T3 claimed neighbor, I'm way off.

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I saw shiki shade and I'm here to reiterate that shiki is a townlock and they are not going to be eligible to be limmed as long as my slot is alive.

You keep saying this but you haven't been really sharing your progression with us.

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I thought t3 and Johnny were masons and I've picked it up over the night but yeah I didn't imagine that they were neighbors as well. They were too secretive to have been neighbors, I thought.

I just came off a game where they had masons so it might have been Baader-Meinhof

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My progression is that I've played as scum with shiki and they'd have had to undergo an evolution in order to be scum here.

I was scum with shiki as well so maybe you can share your reasons with me. I want to sort her properly.

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I have not much skill in parsing metainformation and applying it to the game, but I have used mood-based meta to sort shiki early game. Anxiety was palpable in her postings in the scum game I was with her. In this game, she is much looser in the early game. Later, when we were talking about Jake, she was snarky and obviously under pressure — but I didn't know why. I could read that as anxiety or my natural effect on people but I was really trying to be gentle with her. What I'm concerned about was her unnatural defense of Jake The Wolfie, and I still am now. Plus, she suggested a massclaim when there's really no reason to do it and a net loss on town's position if ever it was done but maybe I can buy that this is the way she is used to solving the game.

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If you can tell me what you have about shiki, I can consider it in reading her.

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lol

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sorry im not here much today's really busy and probably the weekend as well

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NAHA, you can just check my wiki for the games with shiki. They're not that many. I doubt you need it anyway because I flat out told you what's on my mind.

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Also, FWIW, if the game stalled with a wagon on Sigmund, we probably should reconsider Sigmund as a wagon.

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But I'm also haven't re-read anything yet so these are all off the cuff

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I would need to V/LA until Monday. MOUNTAINOUS workload over the weekend. You guys can wait for me, yes? Yes.

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i really hate that i had to replace out of this game. sorry shiki. gg scum!

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can't believe sigmund got away with two lolhammers plus trying to bait one on me in rvs plus declaring himself basically confirmed town today

just gotta be in awe really

Anya I'm sorry I was scum.

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I want to burn this ship and everyone on it, and never speak about it again.

HAHAHA i feel that sometimes about my games too i get it

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he got the 2nd one because of mod error too lol

it's just testament to how effective that fakehammer was