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VOTE: My friend JohnnyFarrar
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Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.
I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Si ce I've been asked a bunch now...Italiano corrected the mod VC which listed MurderCat at E-1 after MurderCat said they were at E-2 and got another vote. I was glad Italiano caught that error as E-1 seemed premature and a little close for comfort to me since lolhammers are always a possibility and early ones are hard to read.
Italiano also said there was definite scum on MurderCat so I asked wh ok they suspected lol
I know you have since moved your vote, Mom (is there a better nickname for you? Iunno if I like calling you mom ) but I am curious what made it more serious after I made 42.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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I looked back as promised and the only vote that stood out was surfing pikachu's.In post 136, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Bad postIn post 42, Aristophanes wrote:Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.
I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?
I’d expect Italiano to think scum would be on there. Not so much you.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I'm also interested in why it is not something you'd think I would agree with but it is something Italiano would. That gets a :thonk: from me for now
Ooooo! Hi Mara!In post 135, Momrangal wrote:Also uh..
I suppose Mara.
I don't kboe if you remember my old main but I am Ms. Marangal
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I'm not really one for soulreads especially within the first couple of pages. I'll leave it be since it's apparently not uncommon for Infinity but I also think it is an easy place for scum to hide and/or pockets to be lined depending on usage.
I do like that Infinity developed the read to a gut read and that they are holding it despite liking some of what Murder is doing, like the Q about Titus.
I'm not as big a fan of the omgus feel from Murder towards him.
Literally, I get this a lot XDIn post 72, Infinity 324 wrote:42 pinged me at first, I think it's just ari's writing style
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YAYAYAYAYAY have fun Noraa and STAY SAFE! =DIn post 150, Noraa wrote:So imma just snipe this and then go to sleep and y'all can have a VC tomorrow morning if I wake up early enough but OMG GUYS IN PERSON SCHOOL TOMORROW CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!
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Hey guys, sorry I've been busy today!
I'll be on at some point to do more but I literally don't have the time atm.
Noraa why did your game have to happen when everyone is so busy? XDHalf meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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OOPS!
Honestly, I've just been super busy. Imma try to do something here tn.
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Can't I rest now?In post 360, Bhad Bhabie wrote:
Hey tsunamis, we are just past the halfway mark of day 1!
Hang tight and soon you can get some rest!
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Surfer definitely looked bad off their first few posts but I think they became quite towny as they started to delve into things. I wish they had claimed prior to hammer tho.In post 432, In the beginning wrote:Sure.
VOTE: Infinity
Yesterday's lim was clearly a town flip, and no one even bothered to ask for a claim.
I still need to reread a lot. Votes on Titus are odd as I thought they obvtowned in thieir first few posts.
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Ooooo Haschel is here! =D
I've got a lot to read but I'm here. Sorry about the delays.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Okay let's get caught up again!
Spoiler: Pg. 17
Spoiler: Pg. 18
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Spoiler: Pg. 19
Spoiler: Pg. 20
k that might be all the backreading for tn but I think I have solid reads now.
VOTE: Flea
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I snipped the above quote to the stuff I wanted to address.In post 589, In the beginning wrote:
My Infinity read is 100% based on Infinity's interactions with MURDERCAT early day 1. It has nothing to really do with the wagon.In post 588, Aristophanes wrote:@Mara, @Beginning, why does this wagon make Infinity scum? I am now lost again in why you suspect them here.
Fair. I think my thought process at the time was Gamma Emerald had already posted intent, so I figured that Statue would see that as a request for a claim. Johnny proceeded to hammer in about 12 hours from intent, and I don't think Statue was on during that time period. In other words, even if I did ask for a claim, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. I guess I should recalibrate how I am reading Johnny because now that I think about it, shutting off communication there was 1) very survivalistic (since Johnny was the primary other wagon) and 2) pretty antitown (because after all, Johnny hammered a town PR before they had a chance to officially claim.) I still think the wagon and game state at the end of day 1 though suggests that both slots were town and Johnny just made the mechanically wrong move, but it is still something to watch more closely.In post 588, Aristophanes wrote:You were offwagon so this isn't the worst post, but why didn't you ask for a claim?
Noted on the Murder/Infinity interactions being the drive for this. I should look back at those interactions.
I think Johnny is town still too. Johnny's hammer was probably NAI imo and it's not like there was any indication Surferchu was a TPR before they flipped. Their giving up there was bad considering their role. But also that's a good point that they should have been given the time to claim and that they should have realized intent essentially was asking for the claim to happen. Thank you for the response!Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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In what I've read Flea keeps on not doing that and sitting back to let things happen around them or shifting the blame for things going wrong before they do. It's pinged me more than once reinforcing the idea that it's scummy and not simply a one-off of Flea sitting back as town.In post 593, Infinity 324 wrote:
Why not wait for fae to do faer thing instead of just calling faer scum off the bat?In post 591, Aristophanes wrote:But like, do you wait for a powersolver to solve a game for you normally?
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Fae vomit?
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Heya Haschel! Tbh I wasn't around at that time but I was planning on coming in and found hammer had been dropped. I'd just eaten a prod. There were still a few irl days left at the time of the hammer so it's not like deadline was hours away or anything. So no, I can't say I agree with it.In post 612, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Aristophanes, do you agree with that?
Perhaps the hammer was imminent with the stated intent, but there was still lots of time for a claim and a shift if it was believed to be towny. Instead, Dead backup PR.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Yeah I mean I really didn't think they were scummy until I wrote that out and am reconsidering things now. I'll give them an Iso tomorrow and see if recent things change my view of them.In post 617, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Any further conclusions?In post 616, Aristophanes wrote:
Heya Haschel! Tbh I wasn't around at that time but I was planning on coming in and found hammer had been dropped. I'd just eaten a prod. There were still a few irl days left at the time of the hammer so it's not like deadline was hours away or anything. So no, I can't say I agree with it.In post 612, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Aristophanes, do you agree with that?
Perhaps the hammer was imminent with the stated intent, but there was still lots of time for a claim and a shift if it was believed to be towny. Instead, Dead backup PR.
I missed an awful lot of D1 (I mean, my vote was still from RVS when the hammer was dropped) so looking at him with fresh eyes is definitely needed.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Tryna steal the pagetop like:
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Noraa stopping me like:
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Ooooo dannflor is here!
And an extension? Amazing.
I'll see what I can do here tomorrow. Just tired and busy atm.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Noraa, this was a wonderful game!
Thank you for the invite <3
I almost didn't join but I'm really glad I did!
Toogs, I don't recall if I said so in the dead chat, but you absolutely killed it this game! Especially for someone who hates playing as scum! Like, you were fantastic
Titus, you scare me and I was looking at who would be the toughest lims as the game continued and especially those who are really good players.
From the Scum PT:
That's why I chose to kill you N1.In post 43, Aristophanes wrote:Like Titus is already obvtown
Gamma is going to be leading the game soon and thus will have to be played around or eliminated
Infinity is already having good takes and I can see that being our downfall.
I'd be afraid od Beginning if it were their main but the alt takes away so much of their power.
Johnny, Italiano, and Surferchu are our MisElims this game.
If we can get Murdercat as well that would be amazing but leaning on an early 1v1 is not a place I want to be.
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Gypyx, the Ascetic actually didn't tell me there was a vig as much as the backup Gunsmith did. I mean, why else does scum need a gunsmith?
JV, I think you're overlooking the fact that gating PRs does heavily change their balance and also that Swing isn't always a bad thing! I would rather playin a fun, swingy game than a bad, balanced one. I have always held that thought and it is reflected in the setups I've made myself over the years.
I think not being multitasking is also a huge balancing effect. We take it for granted nowadays, just like we take daytalk for granted, but it's actually huge mechanically.
I will say that the 3-shot vig might have been a bit much, but otherwise I don't really have much to say about the setup!
Out of curiosity, which took precedent in NAR? The Alien or the JK?Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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It also could have ended the game with a town victory without a single scum Elim which is...well not goodIn post 1338, MURDERCAT wrote:The vig had a lot of balance against it thoughHalf meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Oh coo, I haven't looked at NAR too closely since the Alien became a registered role so that's neat to know!In post 1340, Gypyx wrote:not sure i understeand your first sentance, could you develop?
Novice 3-shot vigilante was a meme role kinda btw
the alien does, according to the normal game NAR page
The first sentence was in response to this
I think Ascetic does make sense as a flag that there is a Vig, but it also wasn't the biggest flag scum had that there was one. Mafia having a Gunsmith role, even as a backup, implies some sort of town killing role. I mean, it could be a fakeclaim that is just really good and is a red herring but I don't think that's as likely in most setups. So having the Gunsmith was the big flag that town had a vig, not the Ascetic.In post 1324, Gypyx wrote:Activated ascetic protects from everything but vigilante, while commuter protects from everything, I believed that the fact that this wasn't a commuter was a decent enough hint as it's a way more simple / logical role to put
and if the mafia has their important role die D1, that seems normal to me that it goes not-so-great for the afterwards
It follows that having an ascetic and not being multitasking implied the lack of existence of a different type of investigative role existing. What would be the point of a non-multitasking ascetic if it would be no help against the watcher/follower/motion detector/cop/whatever else could exist? Meaning it probably doesn't. I suppose had I been thinking of it that way, I'd have been a lot more at ease when Toog claimed MD, though it was a big risk for him to do so regardless.
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??In post 1344, Infinity 324 wrote:Again, based on my outdated setup intuitions, this would be balanced if you gave town a 2-shot cop
I think this was overall pretty balanced actually but look at the power Town had.
Loyal Alien gives a cleared protection. While it can block said player's role, it basically is a cop shot if there is no death of a night, unlike the JK. Now having the JK calls this into question and I like that the two roles get a lot of contention. That balanced them out greatly imo. Having both in the game makes for a possible 1v1 in claiming and also makes the Alien clear less clear while the JK could go either way.
Gunsmith had a possibility of guilties too, though risked getting the Vig which as I think about it had a lot more balance to it.
Scum had a low-powered gunsmith that was only a backup and a no-powered ascetic as the chances of it being used on a night when the gunsmith checked the player are very low.
I actually like how the chances of a successful vig, NK, and gunsmith check are ho heavily hindered by the JK, Alien, and Ascetic. It's a really nice balance.
Cop would have way townsided that.
After all this, I have to say, great setup Gypyx
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I understand that, and it's definitely a style of game design. I am far more partial to encouraging dayplay despite the roles present. I love a good undermining of expectations and this game had a lot of that.In post 1353, Infinity 324 wrote:
This isn't really right, the vig getting blocked isn't great, and if the alien lives longer/gets a save on n2 it's way better for town. I guess it's a function of most of the town's power being protective, small-probability events increase town's winrate by a lot. I enjoy setups that have guaranteed clears more I guessIn post 1349, Infinity 324 wrote:In this game the only power that was relevant was 1 shot of the vig (and the no kill was a bit helpful I guess), and it didn't feel particularly unlucky for town
Having a role that clears/guilties can really demoralize scum and generally it's not worth the tradeoff imo.
All good, mine might be outdated too tbh.Infinity 324 wrote:
Not disputing any of this, I do think my intuitions are outdatedIn post 1350, Aristophanes wrote:I think this was overall pretty balanced actually but look at the power Town had.
The thing that happened this game which made the alien protect not a clear is probably a pretty common occurrence for this setup though. All that has to happen is for the alien to die before they claim.
To me the gunsmith/backup gunsmith combo should favor scum because it's pretty unlikely the scum role dies before the town one, but it's true that the upside to town is higher.
Gunsmith/Backup was a cool interaction but it had the potential to decimate the scumteam. You take away scum numbers and reward town with a means to do that even more thoroughly. We were lucky the backup went down and that the main Gunsmith outlived them, because that could have recked us.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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O.oIn post 1355, Toogeloo wrote:
You should look at my wiki for mafia-aligned games. It's pretty ridiculous. IIn post 1336, Aristophanes wrote:Toogs, I don't recall if I said so in the dead chat, but you absolutely killed it this game! Especially for someone who hates playing as scum! Like, you were fantastichateplaying mafia-aligned because of the mental and slightly physical tolls I take, but my win rate is high. This game played out a lot like Hypnotists or Mortal Kombat mafia for me.
That winrate! :O
Holy shit I'm impressed!Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Give it a couple hours, she's been busy lolIn post 1360, Ircher wrote:
I don't think any of these were actually released yet. I get a "Not Authorized" error when trying to open them.In post 1308, Bhad Bhabie wrote:Noraaland villain chat: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85954
Noraaland hell chat: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85936&p=12608681#p12608681
Noraaland spec chat: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85937
Noraaland jacko chat: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=86005
Noraaland creator chat: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85567Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Ask and you shall receiveIn post 1363, Bhad Bhabie wrote:Or perhaps if I am bribed with bear gifs, I'll do it today. We'll see how good yall's bear gifs are ig.
Spoiler:Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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=DHalf meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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Heyyyy!
I hate being~that guy~but I noticed something that I think is a mod error and I'm mostly posting this just so it's noted and not to shame the mod(s) who did a great job this game!
Subject: Mini 2194 Noraaland Mod pt.
Haschel's action would have gone through first, making my kill fail, and making MURDERCAT's kill fail. Both of us should have lived the night, not died here.Noraa wrote:Night 2 Actions
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OH I FORGOT IT WAS LOYAL!!
Fuck me XD
I take that back entirely. Thanks for clarifying!
Man, this setup had a lot of working parts for a Normal!Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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