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that's too much time spent to say "ye your posts r good, ppl need talk more, still wanna murder dunn lol"
you think him being ~calm~ is possibly town!indicative?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i wasn't implying you were. i wanted to hear if you have any New thoughts on him. or really on anyone.In post 2195, Dunnstral wrote:
I think there has been a miscommunication, I wasn't planning on rereading vp balterIn post 2188, Datisi wrote:
neither of us is orchestrating it, we voted you individually before even mentioning you in the hood.In post 2181, Dunnstral wrote:So I've been getting tag teamed by GC and Datisi today. Who is the one orchestrating that in the pt?
how's your read on baltar doing? anything else going anywhere?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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can you spell out who are those players that are willing to compromise on dunn that make you think he's town?In post 2202, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway, I have also spent some time thinking about Dunn. I really don’t think it’s going to flip Scum, and it’s mainly because of the players that were willing to compromise and vote there. And I haven’t found an individual post of Dunn’s I actually scum read. Most of the arguments against Dunn are situational, or from their lack of thread presence. Well, why aren’t we pushing Cookie Monster for those things then?
and it's not pure lack of thread presence. it's the timing of the presence. if someone if lurking, fine, maybe slightly more likely to be scum, i already said that just lurking isn't outside of dunn town meta. but when you pop up after days of not posting to a wagon that is all but guaranteed to go through, that you "defended" earlier but didn't try to convince anyone, to vote someone else and again disappear? then later claim you thought maybe they'd be reevaluating even tho the player literally said they'd be self-hammering? and just by looking at day 2, do you really feel like dunn is trying to solve this game?
saying that you entering the day screaming how there's scum on the wagon, then voting just the people off the wagon is puzzling isn't meta.In post 2203, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway, I’m getting a bit tired of these arguments around my “aggression”, or how my play has been “puzzling”. Unless you’ve played more than 5 games with me, I don’t care for your meta on how I play Town.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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if this is the result of the meta reeval or whatever, i'd love to hear it.In post 2208, VP Baltar wrote:UNVOTE:
I may be down for a cookie monster or midway yeet today. I want to take a min to review my fight with duchess once more and reevaluate how I feel about that with some distance.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ah, gotcha. i just kinda assumed since it was just an unvote and not a different vote, you feel.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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v/la ~24 hours.
just managed to single-handedly lose town a game and my energy for mafia is sapped. please no yeet anyone while i'm gone ok thanks bye.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ok so somehow that 24 v/la turned into a 2 and a half days v/la also it's 3am right now and my mafia energy is *still* dead but gotta at least try i guess bc time is running out
what about it is so amazing to you? also would cookie being an alt affect this opinion?In post 2249, Andresvmb wrote:Cookie Monster’s reaction just on this page would be amazing coming from Scum. It would be fantastic theater from a player that hasn’t completed that many games. I think it’s genuine.
reading this while hard townreading baltar but also having my heart get shattered two days ago bc of getting hardpocketed likeIn post 2250, Andresvmb wrote:I actually think that VPB set out to pocket Datisi after a certain while. They first had Datisi as null but once Datisi expressed a TR, VPB has hardened their TR read on Datisi because it’s working out very well for them. That’s a theory.
i didn't get that feeling, at least not specifically with me.In post 2263, VP Baltar wrote:
Datisi, have I encouraged you to tunnel Dunn in anyway?In post 2258, Andresvmb wrote:You’ve encouraged Datisi interminably in their push on Dunn which you yourself of course have tried to carry out.
@andres, could you quote what posts made you think this?
@baltar, i'd like your comment on 2274. and like, general read on andres rn.
don't you mean this game is...In post 2297, Cookie Monster wrote:This game is really hard to follow for some reasonbrutallyhard to follow? ok i'll see myself out
ok i had like a thought and i'm not sure i like my dunn vote that much anymore. so first i'm gonna make a 9000 iq assumption that baltar/dunn aren't scum together. ok cool. so the fact that baltar is like, asking dunn to be more active, and dunn is plainly refusing to do that is giving me some sorta town vibes? like there's a Thing spelled out that he can do to have baltar see him in more positive light and he's purposefully not doing that?
2231 from midway is giving me flashbacks back to 2180 when i was calling him out for doing nothing based on meta (i modded a newbie game where he was town and plenty active) and his response was something along the lines of "oh my playstyle changed haha" and he was just a scumfuck lol
other than that i feel like the post is not saying much at all and like
recent posts are promises of content, and lowkey filler while not really explaining his reads
also what i pointed out in 2062
yeah this is fine for now
VOTE: midway
i am also getting more and more open to voting cookie because they have done literally nothing after their first readslist and better to vote out useless slots sooner than later
my laptop is making weird noises
anyway i got distracted multiple times while typing this so it's already past 4am so i'm gonna go get my 6 hours of sleep and after that i'll try to review some stuff about this game
also thx for the pagetopI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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my name is 6 letters please it's not that difficult i promiseIn post 2302, Dunnstral wrote: Andres, mom, Datsi feel town
also you explain any of these?
the joke here is that the amount of times this has happened is zero.In post 2304, Cookie Monster wrote:every time I try and do something
cookie if you're town can you please start actually working with us? you've had plenty questions thrown your way.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i'm skimming back and forth the past few pages and i don't think baltar's vote on italiano is scummy? like i've said it before i'll say it again, when pocketing scum is usually more lowkey than "yep i'm sheeping my townread lol". and like, again assuming baltar/dunn isn't a thing, scum!baltar probably doesn't give a shit which one of dunn/italiano goes. i feel like he'd be more likely to sit on dunn a bit more, then maybe jump to italiano later on for consolidation after i've pushed that wagon myself more. gives him an opportunity to (1) make me pick up more heat for it tomorrow (2) more strongly argue he was trying to get dunn going, even against the italiano wagon. immediately giving dunn up and trying to build momentum w me feels +town to me.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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@mod, dgb is voting midway and andres is voting baltarI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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no it doesn't? like if the only reason you have for that is "i don't wk dunn like that" then sorry to break itnto you but that explanation is worth nothingIn post 2320, midwaybear wrote:This sorta implies Dunn and I are both scum? I wouldn't wk town Dunn like this as scum imoI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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the difference is that i don't have meta on other lower posters that them not having reads / not solving is scum!indicativeIn post 2320, midwaybear wrote:what are your reads on the other low posters then?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i do not. i've seen scum claim bullshit, and i feel like doc is one of favourite scum fakeclaims. the way it was made is horrible, the self-voting + claiming pr screams AtE and survivalism as opposed to... idk, anything genuine.In post 2329, Andresvmb wrote:
Do you agree that I was right, now that Cookie Monster has made that incredibly detailed claim? Or no?In post 2300, Datisi wrote:what about it is so amazing to you? also would cookie being an alt affect this opinion?
like i'm not saying it can't come from town, especially knowing there's precedent to that slot being utterly useless in other games, but it gets zero town points from me.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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andre, i'm constantly reevaluating. if i didn't care about your pov, i wouldn't have asked for it. i told you i didn't get that feeling. i wanna see where you got it.In post 2331, Andresvmb wrote:
You want to know what I think? I think you’re looking for things that are way too obvious, instead of trying to figure out the subtle ways in which VPB has been pushing you in the wrong direction. And since you naturally don’t trust me I think you’re not going to pay any attention to much of what I say until it becomes really obvious that you’re paying attention to the wrong voices.In post 2300, Datisi wrote:i didn't get that feeling, at least not specifically with me.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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whatIn post 2335, midwaybear wrote:
I don't see why not. It also looks like you are setting yourself up to vote me here.In post 2322, Andresvmb wrote:
So you think I go out of my way to vote my Partner, instead of just voting you? Why? Are you high?In post 2319, midwaybear wrote:Datisi, VPB, and Andres scumteam
you were earlier quoting how andres is bringing up a good point on why we should consider you town
where is andres setting himself up to vote you?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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2340 is my postIn post 2343, midwaybear wrote:
Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.In post 2340, Datisi wrote:where is andres setting himself up to vote you?
what are you talking aboutI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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except there were mutliple people voting and/or showing interest in them and dgb calling for more votes, and them knowing they had absolutely nothing going for them. and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?In post 2345, Andresvmb wrote:
Except Cookie wasn’t close to execution, and your survivalism claim fails simply because Cookie Monster is self-voting when they could actually get run up and executed. Like we can’t have it both ways here. If they’re AtE’ing with their self-vote, then they’re not really acting like they want to live. They could be playing a psychological game to get players to back off from them. But it’s not survivalist on the surface.In post 2333, Datisi wrote:i do not. i've seen scum claim bullshit, and i feel like doc is one of favourite scum fakeclaims. the way it was made is horrible, the self-voting + claiming pr screams AtE and survivalism as opposed to... idk, anything genuine.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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why were you trollingIn post 2343, midwaybear wrote:
Gotta admit I was sort of trolling when I said 2340, but part of me viewed it as some sort of shade that Andres could point to when he decides to hammer me.In post 2340, Datisi wrote:where is andres setting himself up to vote you?
can you explain why you think scum is more likely to be posting in a slow game like this and why are you suspecting the three of us, beyond "they are posting"?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ok i missed the pagetop
disregard the middle q
what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking? like in my exp that's usually what happens
pedit: this is an addition to 2352I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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not necessarily but if they're town it's still a town voice encouraging votes. and you backed off them after they claimed, no?In post 2353, Andresvmb wrote:
And DGB has pull why? They just replaced in, and haven’t done much of anything. And I clearly backed off of them.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:except there were mutliple people voting and/or showing interest in them and dgb calling for more votesI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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yeah, i know. but you also wrote "it's not survivalistic on the surface", which made me think you were thinking that's the depth of my thoughts there.In post 2356, Andresvmb wrote:
I literally just wrote that it could be a psychological trick. I’ve already added the caveat you’re using to diminish the point I was trying to make.In post 2349, Datisi wrote:and like it's obviously not survivalistic on the surface because "self-voting brings you closer to execution" but is it really never used as a reverse psychology kinda "ok then vote me" thing?? and coupled w claiming pr, which is also something that so very often makes people not wanna vote someone?
And Green Crayons also made a PR claim that made people back off them, and it doesn’t really say anything about their alignment. Yet you don’t have a problem there why? Because you were neighborized?
because green has kinda done things this game? and their screaming match with you was the opposite of survivalistic?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ok yeah this was a brainfart of my endIn post 2359, Andresvmb wrote:
No. Maybe look again.In post 2357, Datisi wrote:not necessarily but if they're town it's still a town voice encouraging votes. and you backed off them after they claimed, no?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i just spent like almost 3 days not posting in this game soIn post 2358, midwaybear wrote:
Because scum might fell self-conscious about lurking. I know that you and VPB are generally quite active, so I imagine that it would be hard to lurk as scum, especially in a good position.In post 2355, Datisi wrote:what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking?
but even running with that argument, i don't see how our current activity is +scum as opposed to nai? unless you're implying that we wouldn't be as active if we were town which likeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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mind talking about this? earlier in the day you had him as a stronger townread, what's making you shift here?In post 2366, RLotus wrote:VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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hm
it didn't really occur to me that cookie might be town fakeclaiming but if we don't have plans yeeting there today i feel like she should not be clarifying that
pedit: lolI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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yes
what does that tell youI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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dgb, how much of the game have you read?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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no offense but why is midwaybear still breathing?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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like gets prodded for not playing, first thing back is calling out a dats/andre/baltar scumteam (???) because we're the ones being active (??????)
gets called out for not quite making sense
claims his reads will evolve
get pressured by both me (2363) and baltar (2399) to explain how the hell is he getting to the conclusions he's getting at
upon seeing he's under intent, claims vt, while saying absolutely nothing about anything that's going on and goes back in the shadows
like seriously why are we letting this beI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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@dgb why are you voting dunnstral
actually why have you twice now voted someone up, but as soon as they claimed you've switched your vote elsewhere?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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@andres, the only thing that made you change your mind on lotus was the fact you reread baltar's iso and found him scummy, right? can you tell me why you're town on midway and answer my earlier q of where you got the feeling baltar was encouraging me into pushing dunn? like i know you think i'm focusing on the wrong things or whatever so please can you work w me here?
speedskim tells me baltarvandres is a huge distraction that we should not be partaking in right now
but something tells me neither or them are gonna hear it
i am about to leave the house but should be back in an hour or two to sit down and go through itI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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iirc, scum!midway has troubles coming up with reads. like his read on the three of us being scum bc we're active is pure nonsense, and he walked back from it not long after. like i can easily see hm knowing i'm about to latch onto him if he doesn't present *something*, and then he presents the first thing he comes up with, which was like... bad. why is he even voting baltar? because he's actively posting??? i don't know.In post 2479, Andresvmb wrote:Why is midway not full on TR’ing me, asking me for help, instead of trolling me and pushing me as Scum. How is that a sensible way not to get executed, when out of the three people that they identified as Scum, I was the last one sitting outside of their wagon and could have voted for them in a heartbeat with them at E-1?
And unless Dunn and midwaybear are both Scum together, why is midwaybear voting for VPB instead of trying to vote Dunn and survive?
also he's not really pushing you as scum? hell he's voting *with* you right now.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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also like i know you said the vt claim doesn't sway you either way but look at the context around it. he's being grilled, his response to pressure is... like let's be real it's awful, but once he realized people aren't buying what he's selling and he's under intent he pops in, naked claims, jumps back into the void. that's not a town mindset. if his thoughts about me/you/baltar being scum were actually yknow genuine, i imagine he'd be in here arguing about it??? except he just disappeared???I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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bc the dunn wagon sprung to life *after* he claimed? and he hasn't been in thread since that happened? like iirc, at the time he voted baltar, it was looking like a genuinely possible counterwagon, since you were voting there, and cookie was voting there before she decided to lolvote herself?In post 2479, Andresvmb wrote:And unless Dunn and midwaybear are both Scum together, why is midwaybear voting for VPB instead of trying to vote Dunn and survive?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't know if you missed it, but literally my first words today were "hello why is midwaybear still alive". while i didn't call out max by name, i said i think literally nothing midway's done should get him out of being executed today, so i think it's at least implied that i don't think maxwell's vote change makes any sense.In post 2480, Andresvmb wrote:And why in the hell is maxwell now having second thoughts about midwaybear? That definitely raised some flags for me. You didn’t find that somewhat suspicious? What has midway done at this point at E-1 that would really change your view of how things are developing?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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if he's scum, he's making his own life more difficult than it needs to be. like how e a s y would it be for scum!baltar to go "oh look dunn wagon eh this isn't my ideal right now but i was sus of dunn so whatever haha i can vote there". instead he's here arguing for a midway yeet. it doesn't make sense for scum!him, unless baltar/dunn are scum together, and my dude, you're gonna need a lot to sell me on that.In post 2486, Andresvmb wrote:@Datisi can you comment on VPB’s jarring about-face on Dunn here?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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actually like i wanna go back to this. andres, without looking at midway iso, why is midway voting baltar? ok, now look at his iso. why is he voting baltar? now i'm thinking about this and i feel more and more that the vote is agenda driven. i dunno if he's plain old trying to counterwagon or if he's trying to buddy up to you by encouraging your pet wagon but likeIn post 2489, Datisi wrote:also he's not really pushing you as scum? hell he's voting *with* you right now.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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andres, you can say that midway was attacking the loudest players, but genuinely he's directly attacking baltar and indirectly attacking me - i say that bc of his vote, and my and your read on baltar. like, hear me out. this was the votecount at the time midway jumped in and voted baltar:In post 2496, Andresvmb wrote:But think about what that means for a second. Did the Scum really think that the best way to approach the game was to attack the loudest players in the game, instead of say pressuring some of the easier slots to execute? Because let’s get real for a minute. There are much easier targets than VPB or me for an execution.
what else can midway possibly counterwagon here??? people already said they don't want to vote cookie moster. probably the only person that wants to do that is green, and let's be real green isn't that influential. the green crayons wagon is practically dead, the only vote there is mom, which is a leftover vote from a wagon, and it's never going anywhere bc iirc green is her 3rd top townread now or something. what does that leave? the baltar wagon, which he jumps on with ??? reasons. and later on, he shades me and baltar together (2358) on nonsense reasoning.In post 2314, OutWorldER wrote:midwaybear (5): maxwell, VP Baltar, Datisi, Dunnstral, DrippingGoofball
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like you can say his original reason extended to all three of us but he's plainly picked a side, which is attack baltar and discredit me (because if you wanna kill baltar, you cannot ignore me). building a completely new wagon is difficult, surely it's easier to side with what is already there.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't think midway and momrangal/dgb are comparable here. midway was on y-1 under intent, where, if scum doesn't think they have good odds of getting out alive, has very good reasons to shut the hell up.In post 2497, Andresvmb wrote:
Multiple players have utterly failed to do this though. Do you not agree? What is DGB doing, for example? Are their positions genuine? How do we even know? They are not aggressively fighting for anything. Momrangal? They listed their view of the game, and they had Dunn as their top Town, and who did they have as Scum again? Me and maxwell? And where are they? How do we know if those reads are genuine? Because as far as I can tell, they’ve explained their read on maxwell but have completely failed to explain their read on me.In post 2490, Datisi wrote:if his thoughts about me/you/baltar being scum were actually yknow genuine, i imagine he'd be in here arguing about it??? except he just disappeared???
I guess my point is - not everybody playing subpar can be Scum. I have a tremendous amount of trouble differentiating bad from Scum. You could potentially be succumbing to a bit of that here.
also mom/dgb's absences are non-game-related. mom was v/la, her inactivity is nai. and i have asked mom to explain her reads. dgb is also an oddball, but its absence is nai, but i'm asking it to explain its actions as well. like i know it's sometimes difficult to tell bad from scum but you gotta at least try, and sure while not always is it scum, sometimes shit play is Just Scum.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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this was never my point. i never said this. i said why i think specifically midway's bad play / doing nothing at these times is scum!indicative. i've said why i think scum is more likely to be in the more quiet people generally, or why town is more likely to be posting in a game like this. but i was never making the argument that "whoever isn't hyper-aggressive solving the game 24/7 is a scumfuck".In post 2499, Andresvmb wrote:There’s no universe in which all those actions are all coming from Scum, and we know some of it came from Town for certain.So I would just caution against thinking that every player needs to be aggressively be putting their thoughts out there or have a strong presence to be Town.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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midway at y-1, with the consensus being on him: *nowehre to be seen*
midway at 3 votes, with multiple people pushing elsewhere: "magically appears*
likewhyare we letting this liveI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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within the half an hour after you claimed, there were 4 different people in the thread lol?In post 2507, midwaybear wrote:Nobody else was around when I claimed. You guys can put me at L-1 and I'll still talk lolI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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there were at least two questions @ you about your claim that scum is more likely to be posting / that me/baltar are likely scum or whatever it was but ok
also i'm not too interested in discussing this bc scum!you could've easily waited until the thread got quieter
and that's not even the main point i'm making, which is that you weren't solving after being put on intent, naked claimed, and peaced out
pedit: it hasn't been the most active. however i think that is moreso my fault for noping out of this game for 3 days, green was encouraging me to post. or maybe he was annoyed at my absence, whichever interpretation you likeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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1. oh gee i wonder which alignment isn't able to form reads. also that's blatantly untrue. the majority has put in at least *some* effort.In post 2516, midwaybear wrote:
1. I haven't been able to make any reads really on Day 2. It doesn't seem like anyone else has been either.In post 2512, Datisi wrote:you weren't solving after being put on intent, naked claimed, and peaced out
2. This is NAI. Demotivation comes from either alignment. There are countless examples of town naked claiming.
3. I'm here now.
2. ok cool i don't care about examples. it's not solely about "demotivation". i'm also feeling demotivated. your reads were making no sense. it's never one sole thing. if you're debunking the "but so what i naked claimed, there's examples of town doing that!!" you're missing my point.
3. have something to show for it.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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andre, my skills at preflip is hilariously bad. i don't know. maybe they're among the lurkers, it's hard to tell with so many inactives. i'd bet at least one was voting midway. dunn might be a possible partner, i remember he was defending him at some point. the thing is scum does wacky shit sometimes. go one at the time, because i've very rarely successfully pointed out actual s/s associates prior to either flipping.In post 2517, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but where are midway’s Scum buddies then? I always try to make the basic assumption that the entire Team is not incompetent. If that were the case, we would more easily have found them. So why is VPB the only viable counter wagon at that point?In post 2500, Datisi wrote:what else can midway possibly counterwagon here???I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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err, i used "pet" there to mean "a wagon that you're pretty much the main/only pusher of". if that's not what that word means there, then my bad.
also while we're talking, i did see that you linked lotus' case on baltar from day one, and come on. that case was bad, i talked about it wayback when.
god i am not emotinally ready to talk about being pocketed ahaha
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i remember harumi being my first scumping this game but frankly it was so long ago
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literally nobody knows.
momrangal, could you vote midway? i saw he's also really low on your list, we already have a vt claim there, and i really don't wanna be running up *more* people at this hour.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean, i don't have much more to tell you than "i don't know". things sometimes don't make sense. like literally less than a week ago i lost a game where 2/3 scum were nothing slots and the day 1 yeet was 7 towns voting for town and the whole game was confusing and a garbage fire. maybe they backtracked because they realized they cannot argue against baltar.In post 2531, Andresvmb wrote:I will grant you - there’s Scum on one side of that argument. So what if some of the players are part of the Scum Team, and are making reasonably sounding arguments against a player that just lashes out like VPB has in response to pressure? But then why did almost all of them backtrack? That’s quite astounding to me.
is midway saying that baltar's wagon analysis post is what made him reconsider bc it was trying too hard to be from scum...? but that was posted before he originally voted??
this again boils down to "fuck preflip". but (1) you think cookie monster is town, and i'm willing to let the claim sit for now because if she's really a doc, i don't wanna be doing scum's job for them and yeeting her when they might shoot her, but i'm far from convinced and (2) scum isn't always obvious. you've said it yourself, the scum team is rarely utterly incompetent. distancing and bussing is a thing. i (and probably a lot of other players here too) cannot effectively point that out early. like i've successfully called out a bussing vote before either flipped once(!!) in my almost two years of playing, and that was because both scum were potatoes. (maybe i'm just a shit player though. that's always a possibility.)In post 2535, Andresvmb wrote:
I’ve been thinking about this. Who do we have as lurkers this game? I’m guessing Dunn, Duchess/Cookie Monster, and Elements/DGB, right? To end D1, Elements was voting RLotus, Duchess had a vote that had been sitting on VPB for a long time (and they were getting replaced), and Dunn was voting midwaybear. It could very well be that midwaybear is Scum with two of those, and they are the only Scum on the Italiano wagon. That’s not something I’m willing to rule out. But I have already mentioned that I think Cookie Monster is Town and why for instance. Are we looking at a {Dunn, midwaybear, DGB} Scum Team? Possibly? It seems a bit far fetched no?In post 2521, Datisi wrote:i don't know. maybe they're among the lurkers, it's hard to tell with so many inactives.
off the top of my head, while i have been very town on battle mage, momrangal could use a revisit. also i'd reread how strong was max's push on midway really. green's intent could maybe be bussing since he did have suspicions on midway earlier but didn't really vote him (iirc, which i might not even be). that'd mean midway was bussing green earlier, and like i'm *not* saying that's what happened, i'm illustrating a point that i don't think that slots in the game, at this stage, can be solved by trying to galaxy brain catch the whole scumteam.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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deadline is like 2 days i think. we're not rushing necessarily but i'm getting sick of this day and i've been told i'm not a fun person when i'm moody.
i think i left you a q at some point, also why is dgb town?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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in reference to 2158In post 2190, Datisi wrote:@momrangal, can you tl;dr me on your reads on dunn, me, and andres?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i believe that was an explanation for her read on me, not you.
i'd definitely like an elaboration on that andres read though, and an answer to whether you read me in any way by anything else.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ok 1st thing i can confirm another person did get added into the hood. will leave it to green/them to claim it if they want.
do you still have what you were typing?In post 2585, maxwell wrote:I had been in the midst of typing up throughts on every player in the game off the top of my head when that hammer happened, I still think andres + Datisi + DGB are town, if I'm right on those the game isn'ttooterrible.
still feel like this is very much a false dichotomy.In post 2591, Andresvmb wrote:Look here's my thinking. Basically, one of {VPB, Datisi} is practically guaranteed Scum. We have one more mis-execution. VPB is very likely to be execution bait if he's Town, since everything he's pushed for has been dead wrong. And given the arguments VPB has put forth, I put decent odds that it's just Scum. So that's what we should do.
ooookay 2599 is a burning pile of trash and here is why:
- that is how i play. that is literally how i play. i probe and ask questions. sometimes those questions don't go anywhere because the responses don't strike my gut either way. and that's fine, i've gotten suspected over that shit before. but here's the thing: why hasn't lotus done some meta research on me to see that? he was suspecting baltar, then he ~did some meta~, figured his behaviour lines up with his town!meta, ok nvm. so why isn't he doing it here?
- "For example, when he was following VPB's votes onto Dunn and then to RTP, even though Datisi kept reitirating that he thought Italiano is scum." you know why i was doing that? (1) because people didn't seem that interested in italiano. i'm not a fool to keep my vote parked in places where i know it's not gonna go anywhere. (2) pressure is used to sort people. votes apply pressure. like i don't have to constantly have my vote on my strongest scumread, especially coupled with (1).
- yeah, i said it's more likely scum are off wagon than on and that i didn't feel like going there atm. then my scumread on midway got stronger bc he started acting the same way he did in his last scumgame where he handvawed my reasons away and then he was scum. i was not letting that slide. i love how my ~airy reason~ wasn't brought up at all yesterday while i was actually pushing midway
VOTE: lotus
also i love how in 2604 lotus is saying how baltar and i are constants on the two misyeets and therefore it's "pretty clear" we should be looked at when he was on italiano d1 and kept putting midway in his scumpool but gave some p weak reasoning to not jump onto him
also very much looking forward to the argument on how i'm not sorting or whatever it was.
i was wrong. he was acting like a scumfuck and he really reminded me of 2180.In post 2607, VP Baltar wrote:
Midway flipped townIn post 2606, Andresvmb wrote:
Ah now this comes up? I thought Datisi was your lockTown. What happened?In post 2605, VP Baltar wrote:This is the particular bit I was rereading and freaking out that I have been getting taken for a ride.
baltar, are you buying into the "there must be scum between the two of us" theory?
andre: what's your point wrt diminishing the claim cookie made? it was a scummy claim. i've twice now seen scum fakeclaim doc to try to get out of shit. and like neither of us actually pushed it.
still think baltar is town. this still feels like his town!meta.
green also feels like town, plus the fact cookie died makes me think he's less likely to be scum.
momrangal is probably town, however i've heard that battle mage's scumgame is actually Not Shit, so should probably look at that to see if his entrance really was out of his scumrange.
andres' entrance today feels really genuine and i feel like he's far too tunnelled. but also getting some vague paranoia he and lotus are coming out today each pushing one of me/baltar.
dgb needs to contribute more, and i've talked about its voting patterns yesterday.
not liking maxwell's unvote from midway for reasons that were ??? to me.
dunnstral has some q's to answer from yesterday, still feel like he could easily be scum.
ok, it's 3am so off to bed in a bit, but should be around for a few still.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i hinted in the hood that i'm not exactly trusting cookie's claim if she survives the night. i figured if green!scum cookie!town, that would increase the chance cookie doesn't die. and i think she kinda died.In post 2648, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm not following thisIn post 2647, Datisi wrote:green also feels like town, plus the fact cookie died makes me think he's less likely to be scum
yeah i get that. and like i feel like i might be wrong because i did just get snowed by a scum that was not acting scummy but you are just not acting scummy. like i don't see it.In post 2649, VP Baltar wrote:
Idk. It has crossed my mind I'm getting duped here. Honestly, I'd think you'd be suspicious of me too.In post 2647, Datisi wrote:baltar, are you buying into the "there must be scum between the two of us" theory?
There's just WRONG here somewhere or we wouldn't have flipped two town.
what's your current bet, where's the wrong?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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re lotus' 2652:
- what does "hook people into answering questions" even mean? like i demand answers to q's i have in my town games i'm p sure?
- this again is just a mark of how i play. you're rarely gonna see me on the forefront of any push and that's just how it is. i have reads, accusing me of not having them is nonsensical, especially considering you were a strong proponent of "datisi is solving". i play this game by establishing a townblocc and working with it. also, yes, i waited until rtp voted italiano, because guess what? time was running out and we needed a wagon. i'm not gonna start a fresh wagon on italiano if there's no chance of it succeeding. but an influential person i'm townreading is voting there? yeah i'm gonna vote there.
- i mean you're not gonna convince me my own reasoning was weak but my question was why didn't you call it out yesterday if it's so obviously scummy?
- lol are you purposefully trying to twist my reads???
- like what i said was "assume baltar/dunn aren't s/s. baltar's been pushing dunn, then he backed off him, and gave him an obvious hint as to how to appear more town to him. dunn did not do what baltar told him to do. that implies dunn doesn't actually care to look good, which is a trait more often seen in town."
- and what you're spitting at me is "suddenly dunn is town for lurking"
- also again. the aftermath from baltar changing his mind on dunn is what made me rethink too. like ooh it was after baltar changed his mind. yeah exactly lol
re 2654:
- maybe don't make trash pushes? also you obviously don't think omgusing is scum!indicative since you're not pushing anyone else on that list (and one of them flipped town) so is there a point to this post other than throwing shade?
- i mean "my top 4 town were off midway" literally just false lol? every time you started talking about your townreads, you always went in order of andres, me/baltar (1985, 2366) and at the time you gave justification for voting dunn, both me and baltar were on midway??
- also i'm saying it's weak bc in a later post (2481) you tried to justify staying on your dunn wagon but your argument of "scum on wagon" was kinda falling apart?
- don't put words in my mouth i'm not saying it should be ignored. (if you wanna ask, i don't want to boggle my mind with on-wagon off-wagon nonsense bc again i literally just got burned like that bc of a day-1 all-town misyeet wagon and would rather look at the motivation behind the votes.) what i was *actually* saying there that i was getting vague feelings you/andre might be partnered because this feels very much coordinated and if it you manage to convince the town there's 1 scum in two of us, and we're both town, it's game winning for you (tbf that's probably not what's going on, esp as andres is voting mom but it crossed my mind)
re 2656: ah yes because a quick readslist to give the game a sense of where i am rn is the epitome of substance and scumhuntingI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ah yes the scumteam is green/datisi/momrangal and we are faking a hood because *checks notes* neighbourizers are like basically ic masons and nobody would ever yeet a neighbourizer and this gambit doesn't out the whole scumteam if green dies at all fuck guys they got us
@dunn: 2313 from yesterday please
@andre: how does your momrangal vote align with the fact you seem to be dead certain betting the game on scum in me/vpb
also i should probably explain my thought process on the three picks:
- baltar is the obvious one, i'm still decently town on him, i also had some weird notion that on the off chance he's pocketing me, i could more easily notice than in the hood, and also figured it would be the most fun option
- momrangal is a slot that like, started off really great w battle mage, but keeps falling off and their reads aren't explained that well, and i know battle mage's scumgame is allegedly not utter trash (like jungle oligarchy probably ain't the peak of it) so i thought it would be a good choice for Actual Sorting
- dgb i thought if green picked it, it would get motivated to actually contribute more and talk to us
like idk why andres thinks he's the Most Logical choice but i didn't really consider him at all bc i just don't feel like getting him into the hood would make him more readable to me, and he seems to spew his thoughts into the main thread one way or another, so
hi what are your readsIn post 2715, Dunnstral wrote:(I'm not actually sure if it's datisi but if GC is town then that becomes more likely with the way they were tag team pushing me from their hood yesterday)
you seemed to be town on me yesterday
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Pity choice?In post 2727, VP Baltar wrote:Do you think it is weird you were in the neighborize pool?
dgb i know the feel of not wanting to play mafia
is there a way to help you out here? can you talk about green/mom?
@momrangal: can you answer 2722?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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well gee, what games *did* you look at then?In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
Not in the games I looked atIn post 2732, Datisi wrote:- what does "hook people into answering questions" even mean? like i demand answers to q's i have in my town games i'm p sure?
again, that is literally. how i play town. build a blocc, work with it. also i never voted for cookie monster?In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
I didn't say you don't have reads a I said you aren't pushing them. Playing the background and following town like that is scummy especially when you are a part of the 2 mislims and the RTP wagon and the Cookie Monster wagon.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:i have reads, accusing me of not having them is nonsensical, especially considering you were a strong proponent of "datisi is solving".
refer to the above. you're calling me scum for my playstyle.In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
That one instance in solitary isn't scummy, but rather it is scummy that most of your votes this game have been like that.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:i'm not gonna start a fresh wagon on italiano if there's no chance of it succeeding. but an influential person i'm townreading is voting there? yeah i'm gonna vote there.
because the read wouldn't make sense otherwise. while baltar was scumreading dunn, dunn deciding to keep lurking could be either town who dgaf or scum who's trying to lay low / avoid interactions / whatever. but once baltar showed a sign of reevaluating, not a full townread, but back-off *thinking* unvote, now scum!dunn has incentive to try to get him to keep going down that path and actually start doing something. yet he doesn't. like my point is that scum!dunn is more likely to care about what he looks like and try to capitalize on baltar showing willingness to reevaluate, rather than do it earlier while he's showing no such feelings. that was my read.In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
Dunn has been lurking all game. VPB has been calling him scum for lurking all game. It has been pretty obvious that what Dunn should do to make VPB town read him is to stop lurking. Why is it just after VPB started to back off Dunn that you begin to call Dunn town for this? You see how the logic from you doesn't flow here?In post 2732, Datisi wrote:- like what i said was "assume baltar/dunn aren't s/s. baltar's been pushing dunn, then he backed off him, and gave him an obvious hint as to how to appear more town to him. dunn did not do what baltar told him to do. that implies dunn doesn't actually care to look good, which is a trait more often seen in town."
- and what you're spitting at me is "suddenly dunn is town for lurking"
no i think it was actually really townie.In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
Ok well it is scummy. Especially since you have been mimicking VPB for a large portion of the game.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:- also again. the aftermath from baltar changing his mind on dunn is what made me rethink too. like ooh it was after baltar changed his mind. yeah exactly lol
m8 have you looked in the mirror? you've been screaming that italiano was scum on day 1, and midway was very much within your poe. also i'm questioning my read on baltar. and he keeps getting out town. he's putting in effort, his reactions seem natural and the way he played in the last game we were in, the way he was pushing the game yesterday to keep producing content is townie. idgaf about where he was on or off wagon if his thoughts are coming from a genuine place. like why should i be buying the pocketing stories here exactly? also my dude, your reasoning is like. bad. and you're very much not obvtown.In post 2738, RLotus wrote:
My push on you isn't trash, it is the natural place to look. Your position and VPB's position are scummy based on the flips. The fact that you think my push on you is trash and that you aren't questioning your read on VPB makes you look even more scummy. You don't have a reason to think I am scum other than the fact that I am pushing you (a towny place to push), that is why your vote on me is bad.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:- maybe don't make trash pushes? also you obviously don't think omgusing is scum!indicative since you're not pushing anyone else on that list (and one of them flipped town) so is there a point to this post other than throwing shade?
Also I am just obvtown at this point
i mean when i try to actually explain my reads (e.g. dunn) that's airy so what can you doIn post 2738, RLotus wrote:
You have been giving similar reads to this beforeIn post 2732, Datisi wrote:re 2656: ah yes because a quick readslist to give the game a sense of where i am rn is the epitome of substance and scumhuntingI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i know, i was making fun of the "scumteam is faking the hood" claims with that part.In post 2735, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Neighbors = / = masonsIn post 2734, Datisi wrote:neighbourizers
that's a start. can you tell me why?In post 2736, DrippingGoofball wrote:
They read scum to me, that's all.In post 2734, Datisi wrote:can you talk about green/mom?
is there like, anything that you're finding actually scummy about my play or is it just ~*paranoia*~? what do you think about lotus' case?In post 2737, VP Baltar wrote:Also, I just badly want Datisi to be town and I'm having a hard time with that.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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yes. that's literally my playstyle. "oh you're sheepy" "oh you ask questions" i've heard it before.In post 2742, RLotus wrote:"It's not scummy that's just my playstyle." Ok.
You're just wrong about this. You are blatantly scum so whateverIn post 2739, Datisi wrote:m8 have you looked in the mirror? you've been screaming that italiano was scum on day 1, and midway was very much within your poe. also i'm questioning my read on baltar. and he keeps getting out town. he's putting in effort, his reactions seem natural and the way he played in the last game we were in, the way he was pushing the game yesterday to keep producing content is townie. idgaf about where he was on or off wagon if his thoughts are coming from a genuine place. like why should i be buying the pocketing stories here exactly? also my dude, your reasoning is like. bad. and you're very much not obvtown.
what am i just wrong about there?
i love how the fact you were a huge proponent of scum!italiano on day 1 is left out here. also, saying that i'm not looking at those players is false. i'm trying to interact with them and get stuff out of them. just because my vote is currently on you and i'm forced to reply to the shit you're throwing at me doesn't mean you're the only person i'm looking at? and framing it so is like, not very correct?In post 2746, RLotus wrote:Like Datisi, if you are town and you genuinely think VPB is town, you have to realize that you two are a big force in constantly pushing the game in the wrong direction. You should be looking at the people playing along with the two of you. Not me, who has been actively resisting your pushes. I hard defended RTP, Duchess, vocally opposed midway. The position you are taking is bad. Like, seriously?
This is why I just can not believe you have a solving mindset atm.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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you're missing the point. it's not about whether or not his callout would've swayed me (and i admit it probably wouldn't have), it's about the fact that he didn't do it. he's arguing now that my reasoning is airy and it's obviously scummy. but if it's so obviously scummy, where were you yesterday when i was making those points and pushing midway?In post 2748, Andresvmb wrote:
Datisi no offense but, I called out your reasoning as weak and pushed you on it multiple times yesterday, and you said “fuck preflip” basically and didn’t relent. No amount of arguing with you would have swayed you, in my experience.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:- i mean you're not gonna convince me my own reasoning was weak but my question was why didn't you call it out yesterday if it's so obviously scummy?
look at it from my perspective. i'm town, and i think baltar is town. scum needs two more misexecutes to win. you've been arguing that there's likely scum in me/vpb, ok fine, you think it's baltar, you've explained your stance there. but all of a sudden, lotus, who was continuously townreading both of us, jumps out screaming how there's scum between the two of us too, and how it's me. do you not see why that dynamic made me raise an eyebrow?In post 2749, Andresvmb wrote:
This is bullshit though. You’re turning the argument RLotus and I actually agree on, and pushing it against us, when fundamentally, we’ve been on a lot of opposite sides of various arguments and you’ve been on the wrong one of them all. You can’t suggest two players are coordinated and Scum because they’ve agreed on a lot of things, and omit the fact that what they’ve been agreeing on is that a lot of the Town executions and flips that have occurred have been of Town. I understand White Knighting is a thing obviously, but just objectively any third party observer would tell you that there’s a much higher chance that one of {You, VPB} is Scum than in {Me, RLotus}. Do I think RLotus is absolutely assured of being Town? No, I don’t. But I’m Town. And I think it’s obvious honestly. And I have the same suspicions RLotus is describing. So I can see the Towny mindset, because it’s exactly mine.In post 2732, Datisi wrote:what i was *actually* saying there that i was getting vague feelings you/andre might be partnered because this feels very much coordinated and if it you manage to convince the town there's 1 scum in two of us, and we're both town, it's game winning for you (tbf that's probably not what's going on, esp as andres is voting mom but it crossed my mind)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i did. i don't instantly trust power role claims from scummy slots, sue me.In post 2751, Andresvmb wrote:
I’ll also make this general point.In post 2739, Datisi wrote:again, that is literally. how i play town. build a blocc, work with it. also i never voted for cookie monster?
Voting isn’t the only way of influencing the game. If Scum was just going around voting everybody who was Town and avoiding their Partners, they would make it too easy for the Town. So nobody does that. I really find this to be obnoxious and an easy way to avoid accountability. You greatly attacked Cookie Monster’s claim, did you not? You can at least be upfront about that.
but you're not looking at the bigger picture here. i never voted cookie, and i instantly said not to actually verify her claim / push her when it came up and agreed to give her a day or so. like attacking the doctor in hindsight doesn't look good, obviously. but why the fuck does scum!me do it? to point attention at myself and how much i think the claim is bad, only to then... nightkill her anyway? so i could make this wifom argument? that's why i'm saying, your "attacking the claim" point is level zero thinking.
sure. would need to reflect on the game, maybe refresh/check some meta stuff. will try to get it out tonight before going to bed.In post 2752, Andresvmb wrote:I think I want an attempt at a solve from Datisi and VPB. A ranking, something. Something I can use to better understand what sort of universe you’re seeing.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M