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Vote KaHuJo

since your post is right above me

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FOS Jdodge

how is his deduction the opposite of what his logic would indicate

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dude im just kidding around, we are still in the random voting stage, just thought i would have a little fun.

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Jdodge. votes can result in a lynch, but they have many more uses than just lynching people. you can use it to force pressure on people, get conversation started, which is what all this is doing right now.

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true....

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i don't like the idea that agreeing or disagreeing are scum-tells. when someone makes an argument, you either have to agree with it or disagree with it. whether or not you express your opinion is up to you though.

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KR- i do agree with you on that though. if you want to agree with someone please add something or explain instead of just saying yeah i agree with them and nothing else.

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KR- please check my gender sign. lol.

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At this moment, but I'll read it through soon again, I'll support Jdodge.

unvote Vote:KrisReizer

this is exactly what we had the half a page argument about, if you wanna agree that fine, as long as you explain yourself in the process, this just looks like buddying up.

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kr don't worry about it, thats what i get for picking a name like this.

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does anyone else see a problem with my post 25 and 41? i think they fit thee situation good.

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tell me how i could have posted different and still got the point across that i was trying to?

and i don't like moospiker asking for a claim right away. he needs to try to defend himself and everything first. a role claim should always be the last option if nothing else is going to work. besides he is no longer at L-1, but you still should make an attempt to defend yourself KR.

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Unvote KrisReizer

. I didn't notice starrie voted after the votecount.

afatchic, I just felt that you were trying to appear to be posting, but not really helping. I am not sure about it.

and i could understand that, except the fact that those are not my only posts.

i don't like this:

c) KrisReizers strange vote of JDodge while being ready to jump off if he would be lynched. I could understand if it was a first vote, but it was already halfways to lynch.

you don't like him voting JD and putting him at L-2 without good reasoning, and then you put him at L-1 with little reasoning of your own? however since you unvoted and said you didn't see that one vote i won't worry about pushing that, however you was still intending to do the same thing he did. so what justifies yours and makes his worth of a vote?

and you make a big deal that you could understand if it was the first vote, but it was already halfway to a lynch. the way you worded it makes it sound a lot worse, however it was only the second vote. i don't think putting someone at L-2 is going to be as big of a deal in this game as it would be in a game that has like 12 people.

also aviny you seem to be trying to hard to make a case against me. im sure you can pick and choose anyone in the game and find posts that don't fit right or something, so what makes mine right there so bad? i was just explaining my thoughts on the topic at the time, which i would consider helpful. so for right now my vote just went from random to serious. that was some good guessing on page 1 wasn't it!

however since we are only a few pages in i think we should slow it down and take more time to make our decision on D1. Lynching prematurely on D1 can only help the scum. but a longer D1 with plenty of discussion can only help the town.

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In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.

Baseless accusation. You attack KR all through this post, and then jump to the conclusion I am bussing KR? This pisses me off.

Unvote

Vote: JDodge

OMGUS? doesn't help your case much.

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In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.

what makes you so sure about this? the only way you can know who the scum are is if you are one yourself. and since i don't see your name in there at one of the scum, its either a lie, or a guess, so what makes you so certain?

Yes, quite sure Moospiker is scum.

why?

also i just realized that moospiker is at L-1. no accidental lynches.

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Mod- KaHuJo was replaced by Avinyl, so his vote shouldn't be up there.

and i didn't realize that starrie had unvoted so its not an L-1 on moospiker.

and i found where you explained why you think moospiker is scum, so you don't have to answer that charter.

moospiker why did you ask for a role claim that early?

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Because I'm an idiot, and still learning how forum mafia is different from face-to-face mafia.

i don't like this comment, if any type of mafia you should never ask for a claim that quickly.

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Hm. I am unsure about Moospiker. rereading, he doesn't feel as scummy as before.

you seem to be jumping around a lot, but why doesn't he feel as scummy as before? im still unsure about him but in the opposite way, his remarks just sound like an agrevated newb scum to me.

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i will be V/la friday -monday

however i should be able to get in one post a day.

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charter i agree, i don't like it when people use the excuse that im new and im just now learning. while it may be true, its a terrible excuse because it can't be proven or countered. my suspicion is def. on moospiker, and if his play doesn't start acting more like a townie to me then i may very well put him at L-1.

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i realize that can be the reason, however i don't like when people automatically jump to that excuse. and i understand that could possibly be a reason, which is why you don't have my vote yet. i know i used it, but looking back its a pathetic excuse, and i made attempts to also defend myself in other ways. all in all.. don't use the newb excuse.

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Because I was reading it, and I noticed that afatchic was always playing the 'I'm a newbie' card and then accuses me of trying to throw suspicion off myself by using the same card.

the difference is that i was at a newbie game, where i should be if i am going to play the newb card, you are at a mini game and being a "mafia scum" i have a hard time believing the newbie card.

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Yes Moo, using the newbie card in a mini does not work. Plus, it's scumlogic along the lines of not defending youself when someone accuses you.

what i was trying to get at...lol

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yeah one quick point is that in post 97 by KR that is actually moospikers quote not mine, i got really confused because i didn't remember saying that. but yeah i don't like how he just kinda gave up defending himself and said believe me if you want, but i don't have anything else to say. at first i just got a newbie town feeling from him, but its quickly changing. can we get a vote count before i vote him?

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L-2?

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how did i just come around? i have been going back and forth with moospiker for half the game. please explain

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Was referencing KR switching quote names, just for clarification, not charter.

with the bolded part? yeah i can't stand when people do that, cuz then people will look at it and attack the wrong person for it. always annoys me.

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You said you used to have a town feel of him, but it's quickly changing. This changing the read of a player in this manner is used by scum to switch over onto the next hot (and in this case, lynchable) wagon.
It's the manner in which you're changing your assessment that I find to be perfectly in line with how I see scum doing it that is making me suspicious of you. I would understand a sudden change to thinking he's scum based on something (such as asking for a claim too early) but you're doing a gradual shift when Moospiker's posts don't give me town vibes at all, and certainly don't facilitate a slow change over into thinking he's scum.

I think I can do my reread shortly as well.

thats exactly what happened. he asked for a claim way too quickly, which made me suspicious. then everything he has done since then has seemed pretty much scummy as well. im just not into the idea that a person does one thing and deserves my vote, unless certain circumstances apply, which in a L-2 spot they don't apply. if you are into the whole meta thing you can see thats how i normally do it. however since i don't think i have many confirmed roles in games yet i don't see that as helping.

i guess the way i said it was what made it sound bad. i have been suspicious of moospiker most of the game, just not enough to put him at L-1 and give someone an easy hammer. longer days are better for the town, so i normally play cautious instead of rushing my actions. i just thought that on the first page he seemed town since he seemed to be trying to help, however once he was under pressure i haven't liked how he has acted at all. and it isn't the way you are making it out to sound that i saw an easy lynch target and jumped on it, i have been there the whole time.

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i don't remember, may not have noticed it. once again you can look at my meta, i have tried to lynch people who ask for claims, thats a null-tell with me.

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Asking for claims isn't bad. Asking on page three when there isn't an airtight case is. Asking in a joking manner isn't necessarily either, but this was clearly not the case here.

the main thing that aggrevates me is that claiming is good, when done right. but it should only be used as a last resort. i attack so many people for being like its L-2 you better claim, or L-1 you better claim, when you haven't even provided your case and given him a chance to defend themselves. a claim should only come when you are nearly positive that they are scum and nothing they say can convince you otherwise, except a claim, which wasn't the case with moospiker here. hence, one of the reasons i think he is scummy.

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That would have been a good thing to post when the incident happened, not way after.

yeah probably, i don't know why but i always assume its kinda given thats the reason.

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yes i like to take stuff as literal as possible then run with it.

and can you please explain how i am buddying up to moo? i have been attacking him most of the game, yet you say it is buddying up? it may seem like that since for a while it was only me and him posting, but i am in no way buddying up. this is quite entertaining, on the same page i get accused of jumping moo's bandwagon and then accused of buddying up to him. can you please provide some decent reasoning.

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charter i don't think thta was his reason for voting him since he hasn't voted yet, cal II test gotta go...

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I don't agree that 98 is a bad post.

I find that as town I get more fed up and give up much easier than when I'm scum

. I think Moospiker is scum for other reasons, but don't much care your reason for voting him however.

QFT. while i haven't finished many games to be able to see peoples roles and see if this applies to them, i know from personal experience that its true. i always get so aggravated when im town and can't convince them that i am town.

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starrie what are your thoughts on JD and moo right now? i would like to hear a recap on what you think about everyone at the moment.

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can we get a prod on starrie?

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Can we get a lynch on Moospiker?

can you give your full case on her, im wanting to wait for the replacement before i cast a vote, its always good to get a new perspective on things.

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Her?

Indeed.



Currently waiting on JDodge.

Nothing worth noting has happened since I last posted. Anyone with eyes can see that.

Why do you have to "wait for me"?

It's time for moo to die, people. Get on it.

why do you think moo is lynch worthy

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Can we get a lynch on Moospiker?

can you give your full case on her, im wanting to wait for the replacement before i cast a vote, its always good to get a new perspective on things.

The role fishing. The not doing anything productive this whole game.

The being scum

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well that seems like a decent reason right there. haha
but yeah this game has come to a near halt, so im going to spice things up a bit.

Vote: Moospiker.

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I don't really see the need to give my opinions on everyone. It will let scum know whether to keep my alive or not, if anyone wants my specific thoughts or something, I'm more than happy to provide them.

Gathering from Vi's read on you, you should claim now.

QFT
by everyone listing there thoughts on people it makes it a lot easier for the scum. it lets them know who will be hard to lynch and who is suspicious of them. i think its always a bad move right before night.

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Unvote Moospiker

. everyone better be doing this or you will be under a lt of pressure from me for voting a claimed cop D1.
not really sure what to do now though, i think i am going to go back and do a reread and go from there.

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Mac- hope you don't mind me calling you that, or if you would prefer somethign else just let me know, but the chances of me spelling that thing out very much are slim too none. i guess i should have made myself a bit more clear about giving your ideas on everyone.

first i think it is a great idea to post what you think on everyone on your first post when you replace into a game.

however i don't think it is a good idea for people that have played the whole game and have made there opinions pretty clear to make a detailed list of what they think of everyone at an L-1 position, or close. it just gives the scum way too much info to go on. say everyone puts one person on the bottom of each list, then the scum know that person will be hard to get lynched and should NK them to get them out of the way. and even though its likely that the doc would also decide to protect that person, there are no garuntees that we have a doc since only about half the possible roles have a doc in them.

i have also been suspicious of Avynil, as i stated a couple pages back, seemed like he was just trying to force a case on me. however im going to have to go back and look at his recent posts along with everyone elses to be able to decide where to go from here.

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Jdoge i seem to have misplaced my glasses, so can you explain how i am obv. scum?

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Vi can you explain how i have followed Charter, i seemed to have had the idea i was thinking on my own.

i know this question wasn't asked to me, but i will answer it anyways. anyone can breadcrumb anything. just because someone breadcrumbs something doesn't really mean that they have to have that role. however, unless there is a cc, you never vote a claimed PR D1.

Vi who do you find most suspicious at the moment?

Moo- why are you going back to Vi? what things did KR do that made him suspicious to you?

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1, are you trying to use the breadcrumb

against

moospiker here? That's pretty terrible.

can you please explain to me how i am using his breadcrumb against him? all i am saying is that bread crumbing really doesn't mean a whole lot. anyone can breadcrumb anything, that doesn't mean he is mafia for it, im just saying that the breadcrumb itself doesn't mean the claim must be real.

Vi- i had already explained about 111 the best i can.

123- if you notice im not agreeing with him about anything to do with this game. i bolded the part of the quote that i QFT. i was just explaining a few personal experiences, i don't really think that can be considered as following Charter.

136- the first part where it seems like i am agreeing with charter is sarcasm, you seem to have taken it out of context and now it could sound bad. i said, as a joke, because charter said we should vote moospiker because he is scum, and i said well thats a pretty good reason there. haha. and my vote was not following charter, i expressed suspicion of Moo all game long, just have been hesitant to put an L-1 vote this early in the game, but since it had all but come to a stop i decided that i should go ahead and vote.

141/150 once again this is QFT about a game strategy, i guess you would call it, rather than buddying up with him about a certain case on someone. and i wouldn't call it following Charter when i post a pretty good sized post with my thoughts about the topic right afterwards.

Jdoge post 117 is just ridiculous. i have been questioning and pressure moospiker, and he is going to say that i am buddying up with him.

my honest guess would be that it seems like i am buddying up to these two people because for the last little while it has been mostly us three talking, so i am bound to agree and disagree with stuff they say.

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Anyone can breadcrumb. Anyone.

Breadcrumbs should not be taken as any more proof than someone saying "I'm X".

anyone can breadcrumb anything. just because someone breadcrumbs something doesn't really mean that they have to have that role.

Erm... is this me, or does afatchic say the same thing, just in different wording.

But he tries to make it sound as if it's not an agreement

, as if he's trying to come across townish by adding fake stuff to the discussion.

FOS: afatchic

i was answering a question, while giving my own opinions. if everyone seems to think this, maybe its the truth. have you ever thought about that?

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Some questions directed at avinyl.

Hm. I am unsure about Moospiker. rereading, he doesn't feel as scummy as before.

you seem to be jumping around a lot, but why doesn't he feel as scummy as before? im still unsure about him but in the opposite way, his remarks just sound like an agrevated newb scum to me.

And in post 68 there's more.

I also figured out a pretty damn good reason to not believe Moo's claim, Anyone think it's odd that he asks for a claim when he himself claims to be a powerrole? What was he hoping to hear? Oh, I'm the doc? Not protown in the least to out the doc. Possible there's a slim chance it's a second cop, but like I said, very slim.

Im not sure, but i will prolly get attacked for saying this, but i agree with what you said earlier i think, if moo is scum, its very likely that there could be a doc breadcrumb in there somewhere, which is why breadcrumbs can't be taken all that serious.

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i think i am going to go back and do a reread and go from there.

however im going to have to go back and look at his recent posts along with everyone elses to be able to decide where to go from here

Unfulfilled promises?

sorry schools been rough, ill get to asap.

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As to KrisReizer, it was page 2. His arguments got tangled up and made him look scummy.

I can see afatchic and Vi being the scumteam here, vaguely...

Thats my reasoning for Vi.

For afatchic, my only reasoning is his 'agreement while trying to look like he's adding something.'

If you want an order, it is -

1. Vi
2. afatchic
3. Avinyl

can you do me a favor and find posts where all i do is agree. and i don't mean agree with someone when they say something about game strategy or something like that, but where i am just following them in the game. then i would like you to go back and look at all my posts and find how many actually follow and then try and accuse me of just looking like i am trying to add something.

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Vi im not really sure how you can say i have done no scum hunting. we are only 8 pages in and most of the conversation has been focused around moospiker. early on i made a small case against avinyl, and then moved on to moospiker. i would consider questioning and stuff like that when the pressure was on moospiker scumhunting, so i believe that i have been. i know that i haven't been as helpful the last page or two since all the replacements came because school has gotten rough on me, but that doesn't change everything i did in the first 6 pages.

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Vi really don't see how you can use that as a vase against me since for the better part of the game it has been me, charter, and moo the only ones participating. The case was already up about moo, i haven't really seen much wrong with charters play, which is why i haven't put many cases together. if you want to vote me at least make a decent reason i might can defend against.

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like i already said i haven't been doing much now due to school. if you wanna think thats a lie you are welcome to look in all my other games and see that i am falling behind int hem as well.

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Elerad can you please tell me your thoughts to the answer to that question, cuz i really don't see another answer legit answer to that question.

and no i don't mean that the newbie card is a good defense in a newbie game, however its better used in a newbie game that here. by the time you play a mini you shouldn't have to be using that defense. i used it in a newbie game, but im still getting lynched, and i agree with the lynch, its the best move possible. so its never a good defense, but better served in a newbie game.

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hey sorry i haven't been as active recently. i hope i can read up and post my htoughts tonight.

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Mod:

what's the current status on prods and possible replacements?

Will update tomorrow. It looks like afatchic is going to be replaced, though.

Looks like i got here just in time... started my catching up tonight. try to finish tomorrow.

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It's not even that you're defending afatchic. It's that you completely refuse to even discuss anything else.

how does he completely refuse to drop it, yet you keep asking him questions about it? this doesn't add up to me.

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@JDodge: Back to this actual game instead of our debate on meta theory, are you saying that when in a town "mindstate", you have a meta of ignoring a game while being very active in other threads?

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I have noticed quite a reliable trend in which afatchic promises to reread to catch up and never delivers the promise. In earlier cases he used real-life constraints as an excuse, but in the most recent case he has posted over 30 tmes in other threads while ignoring this one, so clearly afatchic doesn't consider contributing to this game as a priority, which is very antitown. I wouldn't mind lynching afatchic now.

Big FoS: afatchic

quoting to show i read it and im here. if you would like ot look a little closer at all of them you can also see that i fell behind in every one of those games, and that i am just catching up in the one at a time. with all that said, this one is coming tonight.

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hey guys i just wanted to say that im sorry for my poor activity while i was in this game. It came the same time school started getting hard on me, and i have quite a few other games going on as well that needed my attention. however i normally wouldn't have replaced out, but instead just let yall know i wouldn't have much time for a week or so then get back too it, but i honestly can't stand lurking scum, so i refuse to do it myself. So i figured the best alternative would be to let someone else take over to give the town a fair shot. Sadly about a week after i replaced i got over the hump with school, and was completely caught up in every game, and would have had plenty of time to devote to this game. GG town though.