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VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99
as you should

Expecting a lot of fuzzy logic from you, and maybe 99

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Autotown

[TheFuzzylogic99]

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99

Expecting a lot of fuzzy logic from you, and maybe 99

as you should. I am the king of Fuzziness and Lynch bait.


Forgot to claim

[TheFuzzylogic99]

83 is an implied read, I'm not sure how you see it as a slip instead

There is a real fine line between making implied reads and subconsciously blurting out prior knowledge.

yeah last game I said someone was in town..... I meant to make it sound like a town read . I am not sure if that what happening here but I think it something I need to keep my eyes on

Dunnstral - why do you think that Shlly is town as you gave zero indication why you have that read


@ FL- how can you tell. Doing a little more of nothing still gets you nothing. Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

We should prob sort FL and Titus. Both are good players and can be dangerous if they are scum. Just my humble opinion

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@ NM

You are the town Fuzzy Potato, You are pretty much useless day 1. You also are lynch bait. You must claim potato or you will be squashed by a giant fork. If you live till day 3 you will be confirmed as the town potato
You win all threats to town is eliminated


Johny-
For a moment I was thinking Jamie Farr and not Johnie Farr.
huh??? Can be? lol I am town. What makes you think that . What makes you think Dunn is scummy as opposed to just being his style. Is this a meta read?

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well that was a quick 360 with zero explanation

why Andre???

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Andre
Interesting theory

Kind of waiting JF to make an appearance and defend his 180 turn on Flvor and unto Andre.....

Except for that I have nothing to say at the moment,

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83 is an implied read, I'm not sure how you see it as a slip instead

There is a real fine line between making implied reads and subconsciously blurting out prior knowledge.

yeah last game I said someone was in town..... I meant to make it sound like a town read . I am not sure if that what happening here but I think it something I need to keep my eyes on

Dunnstral - why do you think that Shlly is town as you gave zero indication why you have that read


@ FL- how can you tell. Doing a little more of nothing still gets you nothing. Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

We should prob sort FL and Titus. Both are good players and can be dangerous if they are scum. Just my humble opinion

huh..how am I defending Dun...... I am confused as I did not attack or defend Dun but was trying clarify the motivation for their actions.

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@Big John Farrar
so you jumped off the wagon because it lost momentum?

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I’m also inclined to think that nopointinactingup is likely Town based purely on the fact that nobody jumped to their defense really. Fuzzy piled on in 143 to defend Dunnstral, and most others ignored the interaction for the most part. Flavor Leaf decided it was more important to make things about himself, so I don’t know what to make of that yet. Will keep reading.

This is a bad reason to townread them

I literally wrote that I have them as Null. Did you miss that?

Oops, I thought you were talking about my read of Flavor. Nvm, carry on.

hmmmm.....

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I am bouncing between John and Flavor,,,,,

Johnie feels like he might be optimistic scum and I am having a hard time reading Flavor. He seems all over the place .
I need time to think it over,

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Sorry guys- homework. School expect you to turn in assignment in order to pass I think that's just crazy

Titus- if you are having so much problems- why not sub out

I would like to vote flavor just bc of how much of a dangerous scum player he could be . Still he is not unsortable and a another day might make his alligntment clearer. Also if he is town he be helpful not only in his skills
but be a general pain to scum

Not Joy- NM is highly pro town so no

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mod notes

~Reminder that I will not process votes that are even remotely ambiguous to me

Vote truinnerashuvaduprezure

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I kinda of town reading Dunn... this is a gut reaction . His post seem on the townie side...but knowing me I am prob wrong
my day 1 reads are usually 99.9 terrible

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its Biden gibberish...thought it would be funny

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prob should not poke the Baer (innocent Villager) though, Could end badly for me

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OOGC
@Titus -I hope you get well and feel better soon my friend

In game

@ just a general overall feeling. She is slight town read as opposed to anything really solid.

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my comment was at Non

[TheFuzzylogic99]

VOTE: nopoint

why???? why is he voteworthy?

I agree with anders. I actually think a flashwagon on someone lesser active could be an interesting angle to hit.

VOTE: Hank Spankems

A flash wagon usually end bad imho.... I can see how lynching an inactive can be useful but I wouldn't do that so early in the game unless we are d-1 and there is no
wagon with momentum. Then it could be a possibility

anyone else wanna join the notmafia wagon?

it won't go anywhere, they have Protection from Day 1

why? did I miss a mechanical?

I would not see this as a scummy nessarily however from the experience of playing you in the last game , you seem to be a person who does VCA. From that perspective I find
it odd statement
Oh, its just a site wide thing where it is impossible to kill not mafia day 1.
Today is going to end in a town lynch. No lynch is better

[TheFuzzylogic99]

VOTE: Shelly

will come back for a deeper look

omgys vote?

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not sure what to do here,,,,,,I dont want to vote flavor as I want to give him more time to be sorted but we are now against the deadline.... I think I might vote Flavor bc of us hitting the deadline. I am not sure

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Non-
huh? How do you know Johnnie is town

John
I think we should wait till Dunn comes back. If she doesn't claim a result than we should lunch her

I could kill Joy or Shell at the moment. Want to go back and reread day 1 and see some things.

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Okay
Flavor and Shell seem high on Titus scum list so maybe that's a good place to start
want to wait for Dunn to claim results before voting

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Thinking...

I doubt that Titus was killed (mainly) bc she was on scum. She might of been. My thinking is this because of the lack of a kill yesterday. Titus is a dangerous town player. It seems that she was killed because of her skills. I am prob wrong but I dont think scum feel very threatened atm. This is bc the disunity of the town

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So apparently IV won't let me go full Biden and I will actually have to do something to win.... :{

My info is: Not_Mafia is town

why the Cow?

FL
Hmm given that we had a cop enabler a vig enabler is a likely possibility, Still I find it odd that unless unWnd is scum there was no scum on the flavor wagon.

Vote Unwnd

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if Flavor and Unwind is town then scum deserve to lose as they could of had a semi-easy kill and failed to get it yesterday.

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wave at Noraa

You're town too, right????

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Still mad you beat me last game when I was scum..... so if you are scum you have to let me beat you. Only fair

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@ Plus
Yes I am a newbie..... been one for 7+ now. I am glad someone finally noticed, Now I can leave MS complete. By everyone take care

@Not Mafia
You mean I can't be like you last game where you did nothing and won. I am disappointed. I wanted to be like you but I guess I cant now

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working on some things for the game..will post later

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@plus
Flavor wagon yesterday seems to have no scum on it with the exception of Unwind, so
a) Flavor is scum and so he did not get any scum push
B) Flavor is town and scum wanted to wait on it except for unwind
c) Flavor and Unwind is town and scum did not jump on that wagon.

I am looking at the other two pushes and seeing where votes ae falling on them so I will likely unvote and vote somewhere else depending

doing a VCA as we speak

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1-2
1.

Titus

[0]:
2. Andresvmb [2]: geraintm, JohnnyFarrar
3. unwnd [0]:
4

Flavor Leaf

[1]: shellyc
5. Hank Spankems [0]:
6. shellyc [2]: PlusJOYED

Titus

7. PlusJOYED [0]:
8.

Not_Mafia

:Hank Spankems
9. JohnnyFarrar [0]:
10. geraintm [0]:
11.

TheFuzzyLogic99

[0]:
12.

Dunnstral

[1]: nopointinactingup
13. nopointinactingup [2]: unwnd

Not_Mafia

Not Voting [4]:

TheFuzzyLogic99

,

Dunnstral

,Andresvmb,

Flavor Leaf

1-3

1.

Titus

[0]:
2. Andresvmb [2]geraintm JohnnyFarrar
3. unwnd [1]: shellyc
4.

Flavor Leaf

[3]: nopointinactingup unwnd

Dunnstral

5. Hank Spankems [0]:
6. shellyc [1]:

Titus

7. PlusJOYED [0]:
8. Not_Mafia [2]: Hank Spankems PlusJOYED
9. JohnnyFarrar [0]
10. geraintm [0]:
11. T

heFuzzyLogic99

[0]:
12.

Dunnstral

[2]:

Flavor Leaf

Andresvm
13. nopointinactingup [1]:

Not_Mafia

Not Voting [1]:

TheFuzzyLogic99

1-4
1;1.

Titus

[0]:
2. Andresvmb [1]: geraintm
3. unwnd [1]:

Not_Mafia

4. Flavor Leaf [1]:

Dunnstral

]5. Hank Spankems [1]: unwnd
6. shellyc [3]: nopointinactingup

Titus

JohnnyFarrar
7. PlusJOYED [0]:
8. Not_Mafia [1]: PlusJOYED
9. JohnnyFarrar [0]:
10. geraintm [0]:
11. TheFuzzyLogic99 [0]:
12. Dunnstral [3]:

Flavor Leaf

, Andresvmb Hank Spankems
13. nopointinactingup [1]: shellyC

1-5
1.

Titus

[0]:
2. Andresvmb [2] geraintm JohnnyFarrar
3. unwnd [1]: shellyc
4.

Flavor Leaf

: unwnd

Dunnstral

Titus

Not_Mafia

5. Hank Spankems [0]:
6. shellyc [0]:
7. PlusJOYED [0]:
8.

Not_Mafia

[2]: Hank Spankems PlusJOYED
9. JohnnyFarrar [0]
]10. geraintm [0]
11.

TheFuzzyLogic99

[0]:
12.

Dunnstral

[3]:

Flavor Leaf

Andresvmb nopointinactingup
13. nopointinactingup

Final Count

1.

Titus [

0]:
2. Andresvmb [1]: geraintm
3. unwnd [1]:

Not_Mafia

4.

Flavor Leaf

[1]:

Dunnstral

]5. Hank Spankems [1]: unwnd
6. shellyc [3]: nopointinactingup

Titus

JohnnyFarrar
7. PlusJOYED [0]:
8.

Not_Mafia

[1]: PlusJOYED
9. JohnnyFarrar [0]:
10. geraintm [0]:
11.

TheFuzzyLogic99

[0]:
12. Dunnstral [3]:

Flavor Leaf

Andresvmb Hank Spankems
13. nopointinactingup [1]: shellyC

[TheFuzzylogic99]

There is def scum between
Non. John, Andre and Hank

unvote

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Flavor is still a posiibility but a mafia vig enabler seems like an odd role,,,but anything is possible

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forgot
green=town
red=scum
blue- possible/likely town
black- unknown

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Scum main objective is to lunch.....
so its possible they are inactive or extra careful where there trying not to have more then one scum on a wagon, they also could be just not communicating and so they are all over the place....

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maybe so but tit doesn't necessarily point to scum. could be from a distracted town or distracted scum imho.....

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@ Insaflex
what is your opinion on the no lynch yesterday?

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or the vig can just vig me so i dont have to listen to Nora and Flavor argue with each other
I not voting outside the four I listed as possible scum.
so either Non, John, Andre or Hank.....

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Unwind- huh, I voted you bc of VCA not for anything Flavor said. Not sure why Insan is voting you

Geraintm- that's always true in mafia. Fl vs Noraa didn't help at all.

-scum has 1 main goal ,kill town and try to avoid getting caught doing it. This means blending into town when possible. The fact scum did not kill day 1 means something went wrong somewhere along the way.
Some of it is the town prob didn't give then enough opportunity for the miskill.

Questions
* were scum on the two leading wagon (1.04-Finale) and if not why
* were scum activeless pushing for wagons and if not why not
* are scum active or passive this game

If scum was not atleast on one of the two wagon I would be surprised. It seems likely there was one on each and the third was totally off wagon and was pushing a vanity or semi vanity wagon. The other two answer I am not sure at the moment.

Vote Insan

not a solid vote as I am trying to figure things out and it can change. As I said my vote is between the four I listed

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FL-
I dont trust your read on Noraa. Kinda feels like your emotions is affecting your read, I guess she can be scum but I need someone else to convince me.. Also she is not on my list so there is that. I would vote Non if the wagon happened but I don't feel like pushing a vanity vote. Why is my vote on Insane odd, I said why I am voting for them. It's pretty logical. Right now as I said my vote is pretty fluid between those four people.
I am okay with a Non vig.....

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unvote

Vote Johnny

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unvote

Vote Non

- forget it... I really want to see this happen. Non needs to go away today.
If they do not flip scum I flip a coin ( not literally) and vote for someone else on my list. I am sure that atleast one person on my list will flip scum.

FL....
How about we flip Non today and deal with Nora tomorrow.If Nora flip scum you can give me the necktie the next day,

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Noraa
help me flip NoPoint today.......

There is No point in not flipping NoPoint today

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well now I feel unloved......
I only got vanilla townie.

This is crazy..... if Plus killed Titus last night then scum did not make a night kill or tried to kill the body guard. I am not even going to try to keep up with the claims at this point.
Watchers could be scum. I was a Novice scum Watcher last game. There alot of investigational power if I understand Jon's power right.

Watcher, cop, and a complex neighborizer seem like a lot of clearing power. Giving I am a van townie John's role does makes sense. Nonpoint may or may not be scum. Having enablers attached scum counterpart would be something I would pull if I was creating a game however this is just outguessing the Mod which is never good.

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did not think maybe the vig and mafia possibility went after the same target, Possible but seems mathematically improbable. Still with considering

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Roles Claim
1)Dunn-Cop
2)

Titus

-

Cop Enbaler

3) Plus- Vig
4) Flavor -

Vig Enabler

5) John- Complex Neighboizer
6) NoPoint-

Watcher Enabler

7) Insane-Loyal Body Guard
8) Fuzzy- Vanilla townie
9) Unwind=????
10) Noraa=????
11)

Not Mafia

=????
12)geraintm=???
13) Andre=???

[TheFuzzylogic99]

at this point a mass claim is the way we should go and those who dont should be killed or vigged imho

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opinion Plus- what do you think??

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I dont like how Unwnd tried to stop the mass claim ....since
1) it was already happening
2) It keeps scum from the pressure of claiming/fake claiming

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@ geraintm - This is your free repeat next time I am charging you a wooden nickle

Roles Claim
1)Dunn-Cop
2)

Titus

-

Cop Enbaler

3) Plus- Vig
4) Flavor -

Vig Enabler

5) John- Complex Neighboizer ( can not neighborize scum and VTs)
6) NoPoint-

Watcher Enabler

7) Insane- 1x Loyal Body Guard (cannot protect someone from another alignment)
8) Fuzzy- Vanilla townie
9) Unwind=????
10) Noraa=????
11)

Not Mafia

=????
12)geraintm=???
13) Andre=???

[TheFuzzylogic99]

we could have two possibilities
a) scum enabler / scum role
b) town enabler/ scum role

I dont see there being scum enaber / town. Possible but it seem like a far fetch IMHO

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Dunn
Do you think there is a Cop, Complex Neighborizer . and a watcher.....seem like a lot of power for one side

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Agreed
Either John is scum or whoever is the watcher is.

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Watcher is a good scum role to have as a scum role. if done right can weasel out PR . I tried doing that last game/ I agree we are far from solving here

Agreed- Plus is pretty much town ATP

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I can see either the watcher or neighboring flipping scum atp

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yes we have no watcher claim but it would be weird to through in the role of enabler withat a enabliber role ( in this case a watcher) . I am pretty sure there is an unclaim watcher wandering abou

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My last post looks terrible.

Maybe posting when I am half asleep was not a good idea after all

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out of game comment
sorry to hear that Unwnd. I hope you can sort out your living situation soon. Take care my friend

back to the game

@
posting on phone but on at glance your logic does not make sense.
how can you say that scum amd you shooting Titus is low but then ssy it is most likely.

I am on the phone so i will dig deeper when searching is easier. Not sure about your POE

I personally think we need to out the watcher...imho

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out of game comment
sorry to hear that Unwnd. I hope you can sort out your living situation soon. Take care my friend

back to the game

@
posting on phone but on at glance your logic does not make sense.
how can you say that scum amd you shooting Titus is low but then ssy it is most likely.

I am on the phone so i will dig deeper when searching is easier. Not sure about your POE

I personally think we need to out the watcher...imho

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@Innocent Village
will be VLA bc of Christmas

acknowledged, happy holidays! -innocentvillager

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@IV
I will be VLA tomorrow and Friday due to Christmas. Thanks

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unvote

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if
John is town= Nopo is town
the watcher is very likely scum
this also means that Shell /Insano is prob scum . This was why there was no scum on Shell. They likely went for a no lynch then killing their teammate

if John is scum= NoPo is prob town
I don't think it John would put his partner at risk by outright clearing him by fake role claim. it is possible but unlikely
the watcher is likely town
It also points to Shell/Insano being town

John fake claiiming this role is a even flip. I can see this going either way.

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Town

Dun ( Cop Claim)
NotMafia (Cop Clear)

Strong Town Lean

PlusJoy( Vig claim seems to point to town)

Town Lean

NoPoint- (Logically it seems that NP is more likely than not town)

Nuetral/ Unsure

Geraintm
John -(see other posts)
unwnd
Hank
Ande

ScumLean

Noraa-
Flavor
(Dont think both are scum but I think atleast 1 is

Scum

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I could Fade Noraa today and then you possible Tommorrow
or
Fade you today and possible Noraa tommorrow

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@Wind
opinion on the no lynch yesterday and the three dead wagon (Shelly/Noraa, Flavor and Dun ) that lead to the no kill yesterday. Do you think scum that Andre was the only scum on a major wagn
when the day was done?

@ FL
How is John not scum if NP is, as John claimed NP as neither being VT or scum? trying to figure out your Logic

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GG

I was terrible. I had both FL and NP nailed as scum day 2 and then backed off both. I deserved to be NK. Glad we won though.

Geraintm- I was wondering the same thing