Mini Normal 2183 | Innocent Things | Game Over!

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Hey hey people, Sseth here

locktown
also VOTE: shellyc

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Shelly said literally the opposite. Explain?

whats there to explain

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oh that was a joke. I did like his entrance though. He made a reference and I appreciated it

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vla until tomorrow on page 5

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You seem a little like annoyed scum who is getting pushed for reasons they don’t think are alignment indicative.

yeah I agree with this sentiment

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why would you defend a null

It's the same reason I'd defend any friend in a game honestly, I have history with Dunn and I don't think anything he's done is worth incriminating, therefore if bad arguments come towards him I am willing to give my two cents

i like this too

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VOTE: nopointactingup

This a serious vote tm

I think not mafia could be scum

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hmmm

shelly seems towny and so does FL to me UNVOTE:

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This is town.

VOTE: Andres

i have a tonally townread on andres but i don't see you going here as scummy really

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actually nvm I kinda do since you voted flavor too, seems too desperate to make something happpen

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The support for the flavor wagon disappeared (flavor was the support)

that doesn't make sense to me
why would someone self unvoting derail their wagon it really has no merit imo

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fuzzy townlean reasons shelly said
shelly townlean seems like town shelly
flavor townlean i like his play as town
andres townlean tonal and meta
uwnd townlean him having problems (at least i think it was him) with flavor and his defense of dunn feels towny
nopoint gut townlean but need more

not mafia nullscum, feels like they're trying to make it so people will think they're just trolling and people won't pay attention to them

johny nullscum trying too hard to start stuff

dunn null? feels more active than the other game I played with him when he was town but that may have just been the game

rest null

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VOTE: not mafia lets start here

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Everytime Shelly posts, I feel like they're pocketing me now.

she has that effect

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Dayvig: unwnd

no silly you've got it backwards
you're supposed to let them answer then shoot

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sorry i've been inactive, energy levels are low since I started showing covid symptoms last weekend. I'll survive but still I just wanna sleep all day
blurgh
I still think johny and not_mafia are the scummiest so far having caught up, with not_mafia being the scummiest given the recent vote.

feel better -innocentvillager

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anyone else wanna join the notmafia wagon?

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I'm back.

Let's actually do this
VOTE: not maf

And if you don't wanna, tell me why not.

interesting

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anyone else wanna join the notmafia wagon?

it won't go anywhere, they have Protection from Day 1

why? did I miss a mechanical?

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n1 results?

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I'm at a bit of a loss. I was/am sus of people who tried to flashwagon at the last minute. I'm sorry I was absent (I feel better now) but seriously why would you try a new wagon that has a low chance of taking off when presense is low? To me that screams trying to get a nolim d1 which is rough for us.

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this person of the reasonably actives seemed to be stalling the most
VOTE: nopoint

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I feel like while it does implicate shelly from end of day play, it's too obvious for shelly to kill titus. That's not really shelly's scum style at least in a vacuum. Shelly usually goes for PRs and is confident in their dayplay that they'd go another target. Rather I think scum is trying to get us on shelly.
Following that I think nopoint is more likely since they were on each other. I also think there's very likely at least 1 scum in the lurkers from end of day 1 or the inactives.

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Nah I've got a solid TR on shelly despite them seeming scummy based on titus suspecting them. I'd rather go nopoint

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johny is also a prime suspect for me

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My info is: Not_Mafia is town

I am 100% accepting dunn and not mafia are town for the rest of the game.
2 cleared so early seems good to me, even if we won't get any more cop results.

yeah that makes sense
if I was a cop I would've gone for notmafia likely also

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Dunn
Not Mafia

Geraint
Andres

Shelly
Hank
Johnny

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Fuzzy
Nopoint
Unwnd

Probably where I'm at.

I'd say at least 2 scum in bottom group, possible scum in that shelly, hank, johnny. But all 3 could be in that bottom.

cool, let's go nopoint together.

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rn im like (town to scum)
dunn > notmafia > andres > shelly > hank > fuzzy > fl > uwnd > gera > johny > nopoint

flavor leaf: maybe scum. reminds me of april, they might be the same person, but I feel like they have kinda gone in circles but are still pushing the game ahead which is kinda how they described how they play mafia. Haven't seen any crazy gambits from them either. A lot of weak defenses too. regardless, their activity compared to other inactives makes me hesitant to go here today since we need all the drive we can get to avoid burning out. so decent chance of scum but leave them for now unless we need an elim.

andres: town. Feels like the obvtown andr3s I know

dunn: town. was null but town by claim

notmafia: town via dunn. I wasn't a fan of their day 1 play.

shelly: town likely from reasons I described

gera: scumlean. never actually voted day 1 except rvs despite talking about where to vote.

fuzzy: tonally town. I have some paranoia that they are a deepwolf though.

johny: scumlean. mainly gut but I feel like they are part of the squad that tried to go nowhere this game

nopoint: scum

hank: town. I think suspecting titus makes sense and nothing has really scumpinged me

unwd: null, not sure yet. made some associations day 1 I wanna wait on this slot

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I wanna go nopoint I'd settle for johny or gera

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I'm at a bit of a loss. I was/am sus of people who tried to flashwagon at the last minute. I'm sorry I was absent (I feel better now) but seriously why would you try a new wagon that has a low chance of taking off when presense is low?

To me that screams trying to get a nolim d1 which is rough for us.

I think I was pretty much the only person who attempted to flashwagon on hank and it went nowhere. Could you elaborate what you meant in regards to bolded?

titus and a few others on shelly but you as well on hank

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I'm worried about Johnny/Hank/Gera the most as I feel they're the most low impact despite having their presence seemingly pop up at convenient times.

yeah, johny especially.

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Right now I townread Dunn/Andres/Fuzzy and maybe Flavor because I sorta am biased about how the game is turning out, which makes me wanna spittake for saying that but

Whatever lol

I feel that

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I actually think FL has a pretty decent chance to be scum but I don't wanna lose the presence

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sorry forgot to mention vla until Monday out of town visiting fam

acknowledged thanks, in the future try to bold these in case I miss it -innocentvillager

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flavor leaf: maybe scum. reminds me of april, they might be the same person, but I feel like they have kinda gone in circles but are still pushing the game ahead which is kinda how they described how they play mafia. Haven't seen any crazy gambits from them either. A lot of weak defenses too. regardless, their activity compared to other inactives makes me hesitant to go here today since we need all the drive we can get to avoid burning out. so decent chance of scum but leave them for now unless we need an elim.

I am April Ludgate, yes. I have played with you before, and caught scum you after calling you town Day 1 there.

yessir I remember

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Plus, do you suspect me for starting a Shelly wagon yesterday? If so consider this, yesterday’s biggest wagons were dunn and not_mafia, who are likely town right now. Why would Scum me try for a NL instead of eliminating people who suspect me? You know I play better than that as scum from last game, where I always got a townie lynched

well, that's kind of burden of proficiency there. Remember you have 2 teammates and playing scum or any team requires at least a bit of cooperation. On something like that I could see you settling.

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I wanna go nopoint I'd settle for johny or gera

I think you’re wrong. If this was correct, Dunn would have been executed, not Titus. Titus was hammering away at shellyc (even wanted a flash wagon there), and Flavor/Dunn. There was no gain for the Team you are putting forward in eliminating Titus, who wasn’t even a PR (just made the Cop inoperable, and able to reveal their results).

I’m not going to speculate too much about NKs - sometimes they are just made to confuse the Town (I’ve tried that when things are desperate). But I don’t see what you’re pushing. And I think Johnny is Town so there’s that too.

I'm kind of with my "kill titus to frame shelly idea" which would point to nopoint if correct

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you know maf knows town is gonna be analyzing the night kill since we had no d1 elim. So this to me points to trying to frame someone and use dayplay based on that to get a mislim

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The only person in this game who is pushing me as town is Shelly, and unless you think the team is Shelly/Flavor, which fine, you can think that, then I have zero gamestate control, something that doesn't happen when I am scum.

bit more self aware than I remember
hmm

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I also feel like I have put the most work into this game, and I think people are just being lazy and scum reading me because they see my posts and they just automatically wanna assume I'm scum because they're afraid of me fooling everyone.

I am a town leader in like every game I play, but nobody ever talks about that.

I don't disagree

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Noraa replaces shellyc. Welcome her!

awwww yeh

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like, i guess scum could have just been mia, but i highly doubt we're living in a world where Nopoint/Unwnd are both town.

yes absolutely agree with this

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*kicks everyone twice for good measure*

ow

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I basically hate these votes. and their day 2 play is not much better. I am happy to mark them down as pretty suspicious, esp as one of the 3 people they tried to kill yesterday was Not Mafia who we have as a clear today.

agreement

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my changes are move fuzzy and uwnd down 1 slot, and gera and FL up 1 slot

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I think people (mainly andres) are missing the fact that scum!shelly is super confident in their dayplay especially since they've gotten multiple scum wins from solid dayplay. And that's not really something I'd see shelly suddenly losing even if she was trying to be tricky. What I'm saying is that shelly wouldn't want to go for aomeone that suspects her for the kill since she's confident enough to avoid the rope on her own. But I would see someone else framing shelly as a much more likely play.

I think there's a super high chance of at least johny or nopoint scum, and I'm seeing some support for both. If we need an elim I'd be willing to go uwnd or even fuzzy. I'm a bit paranoid but I've began to suspect fuzzy more.

Fuzzy seems like a newer player to me, and when I played scum first (illicit substances) I kinda slowed down after I got TR since I was like my job is done and I don't wanna screw it up by posting something sus. I've seen that exact in fuzzy; they got TRs by most everyone as a newer player then stopped posting much at all.

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Also @plusJOYED I could buy your theory about the NK and Shellyc being framed. I need to think about that some more.

alright, just know I'm pretty unlikely to go shelly right now

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Okay I'll do it, this is multiball and I am a werewolf, Dunn is mafia

you're not helping senor

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Vote count 2.04

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-12-26 12:19:38).

elimination

2. Andresvmb [0]:

3. unwnd [2]:

TheFuzzyLogic99#859, Flavor Leaf#865

4. Flavor Leaf [0]:

5. Insanoflex [3]:

Dunnstral#812, JohnnyFarrar#835, nopointinactingup#843

6. Noraa [2]:

Andresvmb#683, Not_Mafia#841

7. PlusJOYED [0]:

8. Not_Mafia [1]:

Noraa#845

9. JohnnyFarrar [1]:

geraintm#898

10. geraintm [0]:

11. TheFuzzyLogic99 [0]:

12. Dunnstral [0]:

13. nopointinactingup [2]:

PlusJOYED#681, Insanoflex#877

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [1]:

unwnd

mod notes

~ PlusJOYED is V/LA until 2020-12-21
~ Prodding Flavor Leaf, TheFuzzyLogic99, Not_Mafia, JohnnyFarrar
~ If you get more than 3 prods, I will replace you at my own discretion
~ If Andresvmb does not pick up his prod in a few hours I will start looking for a replacement

Spoiler: vote log

Day 2 vote log

Post 681: PlusJOYED votes nopointinactingup
Post 683: Andresvmb votes Noraa
Post 685: Not_Mafia votes nopointinactingup
Post 701: JohnnyFarrar votes Noraa
Post 705: Dunnstral votes Flavor Leaf
Post 715: Flavor Leaf votes unwnd
Post 744: Noraa votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 751: nopointinactingup votes Flavor Leaf
Post 812: Dunnstral votes Insanoflex
Post 835: JohnnyFarrar votes Insanoflex
Post 837: Noraa votes geraintm
Post 841: Not_Mafia votes Noraa
Post 843: nopointinactingup votes Insanoflex
Post 845: Noraa votes Not_Mafia
Post 859: TheFuzzyLogic99 votes unwnd
Post 864: Flavor Leaf votes Insanoflex
Post 865: Flavor Leaf votes unwnd
Post 877: Insanoflex votes nopointinactingup
Post 885: geraintm votes nopointinactingup
Post 898: geraintm votes JohnnyFarrar

I wonder if nopoint and johny are both mafia
If my "shelly is framed" theory is true, then I'd expect mafia to be on that wagon or try to get it rolling. Like in maf chat nopoint would be the mastermind and johny is kinda following along quietly.

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oh scratch that I got the replacements mixed up

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Johnny could be scum, but on a gut level from his posts I don't feel it, his response to getting accused mid D1 didn't look that scummy. I'll wagon someone just for the sake of a wagon though.

@ Plus
Yes I am a newbie..... been one for 7+ now. I am glad someone finally noticed, Now I can leave MS complete. By everyone take care

@Not Mafia
You mean I can't be like you last game where you did nothing and won. I am disappointed. I wanted to be like you but I guess I cant now

Do you have actual thoughts outside of snappy comebacks?

if you wagon for the sake of it, why would you join the wagon with only 1 vote and not the ones with 2 like uwnd or Noraa.

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Present! Yesterday was my bday

happy late bday I got you a noose

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jk don't take that the wrong way

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@plus
Flavor wagon yesterday seems to have no scum on it with the exception of Unwind, so
a) Flavor is scum and so he did not get any scum push
B) Flavor is town and scum wanted to wait on it except for unwind
c) Flavor and Unwind is town and scum did not jump on that wagon.

I am looking at the other two pushes and seeing where votes ae falling on them so I will likely unvote and vote somewhere else depending

doing a VCA as we speak

well that's a weird way to look at things I don't quite follow.

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I'll confess to playing suboptimal this game. So here's my top of the dome read:

Insane seems town, unlike hank, but does also tie himself to flavortown

Fuzzo prolly town still. Don't really have any nuanced thoughts beyond that. I like their last post and excited to see the vca

Plus asks good questions so I don't really wanna Elim them

Unwnd just.... not wanting? To play better? Feels bad.

Noraa is cool

Prolly not gonna vote nopo today

sounds to me like you're PLing hank due to weak townreads across the board which I think is sus

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Plus, you are trying to change the game state and pushing for something so I have a feeling that you might be town, albeit misguided. I don't see where you're going with the framing theory when both Johnny and I already either implied or stated our unwillingness to lim Nora today. Do you think a scum-team would entirely change strategy just because a friend replaced in?

you have a point there. Might've stopped after I said that but less likely.

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Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality

I liked the way you were headed until this. Why would a town cop enabler mean a scum vig enabler? This feels very specific and a bit tmi

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But yeah nopoint I've liked what you said more today. You were a suspect because you and shelly voted each other to me. So I'd think you'd have a reason to frame shelly the most. But I agree there is at least 1 scum among the inactives anyway.

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Can you phrase that different

it's like you're tossing out weak townreads to a lot of slots and gonna vote for whoever isn't in that cluster. It seems like a scum tactic

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actually for now
UNVOTE: nopoint
VOTE: johnyfarar

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Can you phrase that different

it's like you're tossing out weak townreads to a lot of slots and gonna vote for whoever isn't in that cluster. It seems like a scum tactic

I have a very hard time seeing him throwing out so many townreads as a scum strategy, actually.

strong town reads? Yeah. But all of those are weak and either gut or based on very little. He's leaving himself to vote almost any of those townreads at a later date from what I can gather. This to me is very sus. He's definitely playing noncommital at the very least.

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Flavor is still a posiibility but a mafia vig enabler seems like an odd role,,,but anything is possible

yeah he needs to elaborate. Is it scum that enables a vig or town that enables a scum vig?
I thought maf vig was non-normal.

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I'm procrastinating so damn bad. But first, can someone give me a list of claims? Just like everything that's been claimed so far.

dunn claimed cop (now powerless due to cop enabler dead), got an inno on not-mafia

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I feel there's a lot of focus on Johnny and I today and in my position that's really a sign that we are going to lynch town or have a no elim again. There's a high chance we're being put in this position by the scum team.

Plus, you are trying to change the game state and pushing for something so I have a feeling that you might be town, albeit misguided. I don't see where you're going with the framing theory when both Johnny and I already either implied or stated our unwillingness to lim Nora today. Do you think a scum-team would entirely change strategy just because a friend replaced in?

I personally think the Titus kill even made Shelly less likely to be scum as smart scum often go for subtle kills instead of direct threats. So I could also re-use your argument for you masterminding the kill here to implicated me and Johnny.

I'm going to entertain the thought that you're right about Shelly's playstyle then the one behind the Titus kill here should be in the sidelines and inactive, waiting for town to suicide on Night Kill Analysis. There is no need for scum to pick sides when lim on either side benefits them, and the stale state of this game is looking like it's something like that. Among my biggest suspects for this scenario are FL, Hank (before the replacement) and geraint due solely to their inactivity and that's why I'm pressuring people with votes to get some inputs on where they are.

Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality.

@noraa this to me isn't a claim but it's what people were talking about

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Hmm... I wonder what Mini Normal 2183 | Innocent Things | Day 2 has decided to grace my eyes with today

Almost 7 pages of Noraa and FL talking to each other, I see

mood I skimmed it

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I TR both FL and Noraa at this point so I think the tunnel is a waste. I'm not going either of those slots today.

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I don't get why johny is still alive he screams scum gang from the rooftops every once in a while then leaves

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I don't feel like FL is the type to tunnel as scum so he's gone up even if I think he's wrong on noraa (I still think someone is framing noraa/shelly)

I'm at like
(mechanically town)
dunn
notmafia
(stronger town reads)
andres
noraa
FL
(weak town read)
insanoflex
(neutral)
gera
fuzzy
(weak scum read)
uwnd
(strong scum read)
nopoint
johny

I'd really like to kill anyone neutral or weaker in my reads. I think the framer, if my theory is correct, is most likely in there.

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I still think what nopoint said with a scum vig enabler shouldn't be overlooked. It screams tmi to me and very specific.

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why do I feel like you're doing that to save yourself
meh I'd do the same thing in your shoes probably

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I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

we have a vig?

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why do people think there is a vig? I don't understand

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if there was a vig wouldn't 2 people have died last night? Unless vig is gated or something

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Does anyone have any issues with NoPoint being Vigged?

why did nopoint know there was a vig enabler

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VOTE: nopoint

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Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

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Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

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Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

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Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

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I'm slightly annoyed at feeling like I'm a lim candidate just because Flavor deemed for me to be so

its okay ur not. he's just annoying and the vig should take care of it tonight please.

we have a vig?

I thought Jacko already claimed vig right?

when did Jacko claim vig wtf? I've been reading the same thread yeah?

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actually who is jacko? Is that Flavor leaf?

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Particularly, I feel FL disappearing off the map as soon as pressure disappears off him is scummy. Scum vig-enabler is a very possible reality.

noraa this

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err nopoint said that

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I don't think noraa is scum
I've thought it over, I can't believe I missed FL claiming vig enabler. This is def a town FL move imo. Now this makes a lot more sense.

I'm the vig, I shot titus n1. No point in really hiding if the enabler is out there. I thought titus was scum trying to sidetrack with a flashwagon on town shelly, I was wrong. I'm guessing scum did too. I seriously believe there is a maf conspiracy with maf team framing shelly for titus kill; this is not scum!shelly's MO at all, and shelly/noraa is town.

I will be shooting johny tonight.

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Where I'll probably just shoot johny, I'm open to suggestions if a lot of my TRs prefer another target. I think FL/Noraa is TvT that has gotten out of hand due to player friction.

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1-shot Loyal BG
Vig Enabler
Cop Enabler
Vigilante
Cop

yeah, that looks fine.

agreed. I think scum would have aome sort of investigative also

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I'm at a bit of a loss. I was/am sus of people who tried to flashwagon at the last minute. I'm sorry I was absent (I feel better now) but seriously why would you try a new wagon that has a low chance of taking off when presense is low? To me that screams trying to get a nolim d1 which is rough for us.

Noraa is playing a political game. Please just vote her.

It's effecting my ability to play this game.

apologies but I think noraa is town. but I would like to townblock with
you, fate seems to pushing that way

these were my softs, I explicitly avoided softing d1

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despite andres less activity I still TR him
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TRs I'm taking vig suggestions from (unordered)
insano
noraa
dunn
FL
andres

notmafia has been so out of it I'd rather not let them aim no offense.

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I brought up vigging Unwnd Day 1.

I can work with that.

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I'm logging for now, please don't elim just yet.

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Oh btw Plusjoyed is CONFTOWN in my book. Why tf would scum ever be like "AHAHA I vigged ur prs"

Last time I was a vig, I claimed to be a vig on day 3 and there were ZERO double kills at night. Dead were two town prs and I shot both. Claiming to shoot a town pr is not scum play imo.

meh, since mafia had to have targeted titus too I chalk it up as a "miss"

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Theres too many prs.

I don't buy it.

I agree.

Unfortunately, it doesn't mean it's not true. We may just be in an insanely town sided game that is somehow thought of as balanced.

I think nopoints claim is fake
johny maaaaaaaybe
I think there is a very high chance one of nopoint/johny is scum

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Johnny's role sort of suggests a lot of non-vanilla roles in the setup. Which makes sense with the enablers. Could be a scum investigative but I like the way he tested nopoint's claim.

why would he need to test if he's in a neighborhood with them? Mafia would have no reason to lie there.
I think at least 1 maybe 2 of (bodyguard, neighborizer, watcher enabler) is fake or a mafia version of that role. I personally think complex neighborizer would be a perf mafia role since we have a cop already. It'd be a combo of deception/mafia rolecop.

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though the odds of johny and nopoint both mafia are low but both town even lower.

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I'd prefer that Johnny was not shot at this point, his role seems town to me, and also real

I think its a mafia version of that role

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Watcher enabler sounds like what you claim when everyone else is claiming enabler and you're on the chopping block

100%

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So if we flip nopoint today (we really should)
If nopoint flips town I'm vigging johny 100% regardless of what anyone says
if nopoint flips scum which he probably will I'm unsure where to go. uwnd? gera? Maybe even insano?
I just don't think a johny/nopoint team would have the guts to try such a strat as claiming they recruited themselves.

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I think fuzzy is town I just have a weird gut paranoia on his slot but not enough to warrant a fade or shot by any means

I wonder what happened n1. The thing about Insanoflex's claim is that it's probably not a maf role when theres just 1 vig. But also fuzzy brought up a good point. The odds of me and the mafia shooting titus are statistically pretty low although I see reasons for both me and mafia shooting titus. So either:
a. me and mafia just both killed titus (most likely)
b. mafia target had protection (via commuter, roleblocker, rolestopper, or doctor)
c. mafia decided to not kill (why though)

the thing is, if I understand bodyguard right, if insano protected the maf target he'd be dead also I think he said it was 1shot. But with this many roles out there already; there is no way we have another protective running around and insano is town.

another
My solve is like
1. Johny XOR nopoint (I'm pretty confident in this)
and 2 of insano, uwnd, gera or fuzzy

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so let's elim nopoint today.
if nopoint flips maf, who should I shoot?

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maybe
andres is my strongest non-mechanical (as in roles/claims not being a thing) TRs personally.
But POE is tightening for me
I think andres, Noraa are dayplay wise town
I think either nopoint or johny is town and other maf
Notmafia and dunn gotta be town
FL is town

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book. I think uwnd is probably scum, he's been trying to slow things down as of late and talking himself up. I'll probably shoot him if nopoint flips red today.

if I had to guess a solve it'd be nopoint/uwnd/insano.

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sorry to hear that uwnd

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how can you say that scum amd you shooting Titus is low but then ssy it is most likely.

statistically low, but the other possibility would be we have a doc on top of all these pr claims. There's no world where we have a doc and a bodyguard. And if you think about it doc and mafia targeting same person is about the same odds as me and maf targeting titus

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but yeah my and maf both killing titus is a 1% chance it can totally happen

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I personally think we need to out the watcher...imho

nah I don't think they exist

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that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book

Our poe is the same except replace fuzzy with noraa. Actually why not noraa?

Noraa was shelly and shelly was a TR, a lot more because the kill target

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The town is a pile of garbage.

noraa I wanna TR you but you're making it hard

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that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book

Our poe is the same except replace fuzzy with noraa. Actually why not noraa?

Noraa was shelly and shelly was a TR, a lot more because the kill target

You killed Titus, this isn't a defense for townNoraa.

I'm probably gonna want Noraa because Nopoint goes down from a vig everytime.

scum targeted titus too though I'm pretty sure

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What did nopo claim again?

watcher enabler

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hmmm
well we are townblock team
I'll also say Noraa hasn't been ultra protown but you are right about nopoint scum. I'll shoot him tonight if we go anyone else. I just think you're biased and shelly wouldn't shoot titus. If mafia didn't shoot titus we have a doc and that'd mean insano is lying

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sorry fuzzy
andres told me to I take no responsibility

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it was between noraa and fuzzy for me and I went with fuzzy. since fuzzy claimed VT I thought we'd lose less if I was wrong
I think insano is telling the truth now cuz maf went for neighborizer and not the vig. To me that means maf was worried about bodyguard so they went with a different pick

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I thought u TRed me?

yes but I also trust FL here. In the end I went with my own gut and andres and was wrong. So my read in you has gotten weaker too.

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I actually think noraa might be scum at this point
dunn, not mafia, insano, me, FL are all looking pretty town
that leaves andres and noraa.

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oh and gera too
my solve is noraa/gera/nopoint

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well actually maybe andres is maf since he thinks he can influence my shots he could have left me and FL alone

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I thought u TRed me?

yes but I also trust FL here. In the end I went with my own gut and andres and was wrong. So my read in you has gotten weaker too.

why would you trust FL?

both games I've played FL likes to claim early and townblock while using this tone
I think he's legit
im pretty sure scumteam is in andres/noraa/gera

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yeah sorry noraa I like ya but I think it's you
FL did a poor job of convincing me, his exchange with you was very TvT to me

Should've shot you instead of fuzzy
VOTE: noraa

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oh actually uwnd could be scum too
I think we have a lot of clears at least now

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@plus I hate to say it but you should not have listened to me once nopoint flipped Scum. I am clearly off this game.

I was looking back in shame - I think unwnd is Town. I’m also not voting {plus, Flavor}.

VOTE: geraintm

my faith in you has been shaken quite hard after nopoint and fuzzy tbh

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For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.

actually, can you quote what was said? Is that allowed?
I already think you're town but that would help others sort you.

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Checking in. Today is my daughters 8th birthday.
I'm straight up vanilla town.
again.
Post more later

happy birthday to her

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noraa vs andres looks pretty whiny but I am getting TvS vibes
I think last 2 scum are one in <unwnd, gera> and 1 in <andres, noraa>

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I’m essentially looking at the game with 2 of 4 are scum.

Andres, Noraa, Insaneo, Geraint.

Andres-Noraa probably not together.

I’ve generally liked Geraint this game on a soul level, and I want to say it’s Noraa/Insaneo based on the end of the day yesterday.

replace insaneo with uwnd and yeah
I think mafia play dictates they think insaneo is legit bodyguard

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I just tune Noraa out at this point. They're the fade today.

yup yup.
I'm thinking

if Noraa == scum
vig gera
else if noraa == town
vig andres

what do you think partner?

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Plus consider what I said. I've been in multiple games with you. When I was town, I always died fast. Yet when I was scum, everyone loved me. You know deep in your heart what color role pm I got.

it's day 3 that's not really helping your case?

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I've kinda tuned out both andres and Noraa sorry I don't think anything is getting accomplished with them going back and forth tunneling, at least for me.

if we for some reason go anywhere else other than noraa I'll most likely shoot noraa tonight.

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@dunn so assuming noraa or andres is one of the scum, who do you think the third scum is? What's your solve?

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Now we can fade Nora, and then vig Geraint.

i like this plan

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In the poe, I am confident insano is town. This is not going to change again I don't think.

The other three are mashing around in my head and the solve's pretty constantly changing.

Currently am thinking geraint/unwnd

Hmm, I think in a scum!noraa world, which I think we are in, if andres was the third and she knows she's going down she tunnels him until death to support the couple people (me, FL) who think Andres is town if Noraa flips red. This switch up makes me think from Scum!noraa pov she wants to try and keep andres in the poe by now distancing herself.
Or it could be that she realizes town will elim her over andres and is trying to get a lease on life as town. But I think it's the former and this implicates town andres.

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@uwnd if noraa flips today and you got to decide who I shoot where would you go

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I think killing Gera now would be a more peaceful solution with letting the vig decide between Noraa/Andres tonight. I think Noraa feels like everyone is against her and if she's scum then she's just going to continue to turtle and do the same things she's doing. Andres so far doesn't seem interested in doing anything but defending himself and accusing Noraa all the same, and I am quite tired of it and not willing to entertain either lim.

?????
If someone is turtling that's not a good reason not to elim them. If anything it lends itself to going after them imo

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I'm like 90% sure the last 2 maf are in andres/noraa/uwnd/gera

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i think i have a solve now

this is pretty speculative but nopoint saying "maf don't want to stall they want to elim townies" felt genuine to me. I think nopoint was annoyed as maf that he didnt get a mislim. This makes me think that he probably talked in maf chat about his frustration n1 and got some sort of resonance with maf. He'd probably want to push inactive maf slots to join a wagon otherwise. To me the other person most frusterated with inactivity day 1 was uwnd, so this kind of implicates him to me but the idea is a bit of a stretch.

uwnd's suggestion really pinged me. since uwnd knew I'd very likely shoot between gera and uwnd after noraa elim, he was very survivalistic for a VT suggesting that we elim gera and have me choose between andres and noraa: too much self-preservation for a VT imo.

therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.

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VOTE: Noraa

woah cow

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ehhh my vig shot is between unwnd/gera/andres regardless of flip
I can't decide really this is a hard call

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thing is, town andres does play like this and can get himself stuck in tunnels or oversights. Happened on my first game here in hedgehogs imo.
if noraa does flip green that'll mean my shelly read was on point so I'd feel uncomfortable shooting andres even though I said I would if noraa flips town.

I like my uwnd theory a lot but I'm scared a scum!andres is leading me into it as well

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Gera is town don't vig him

excuse me
how can you have reads when you have barely any posts
you'd be dead by now if not for dunn

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I'll shoot inside andres and uwnd
gaaaaaaaah why am I the one with the gun

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I actually don’t think Noraa’s Vig pool is bad if she is town.

If she is scum, don’t shoot Andres, shoot Insaneo or geraint.

I'm leaning unwd currently

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i really think Insaneo is scum here, Dunnstral.

no way, he's basically conftown imo

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someone other than uwnd explain why uwnd is town because I haven't seen it at all

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flip

unwnd,

Mafia Vigilante Enabler

, was killed Night 3!

Insanoflex,

Town 1-shot Loyal Bodyguard

, was killed Night 3!

It is now Day 4.

Spoiler: unwnd Role PM

Mafia vigilante enabler

Hello

unwnd

, and welcome to Mini Normal 2183!

You are a

Mafia Vigilante Enabler

.

You share a private topic with REDACTED. You may discuss the game at all times with them REDACTED. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

If you die, any vigilante abilities in the game will stop working.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Insanoflex Role PM

Town 1-shot loyal bodyguard

Hello

Insanoflex

Hank Spankems

, and welcome to Mini Normal 2183!

You are a

Town 1-shot Loyal Bodyguard

.

Each night, you may target a player. If that player is killed that night, you will die in their place. You may only use your ability once during the game. Your ability will fail if you target someone whose alignment differs from your own.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

lets fucking gooooooooo!

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i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore

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mafia vigilante enabler and you claimed enabler?

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hmm ok
I think last maf is in FL, gera, or andres

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i think this sets fl as the last maf yeah?
also should be obvious but I can't shoot anymore

What? Why would it be me? Unwnd and Nopoint were the 2 slots I pushed the most. Noraa distracted me for a bit.

the main thing that pings me is that you claimed vig enabler day 2 before I claimed vig and n1 had only 1 kill.

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People were town reading me for the Vigilante Enabler claim, and I really didn’t think it was townie since I was informed, I knew scum had the Vig enabler.

ahh I see

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I could definitely see you claiming enabler as scum though
also kudos to good play by insaneo for tricking mafia n2 and n3, I would've totally wasted my shot n2

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i think i have a solve now

this is pretty speculative but nopoint saying "maf don't want to stall they want to elim townies" felt genuine to me. I think nopoint was annoyed as maf that he didnt get a mislim. This makes me think that he probably talked in maf chat about his frustration n1 and got some sort of resonance with maf. He'd probably want to push inactive maf slots to join a wagon otherwise. To me the other person most frusterated with inactivity day 1 was uwnd, so this kind of implicates him to me but the idea is a bit of a stretch.

uwnd's suggestion really pinged me. since uwnd knew I'd very likely shoot between gera and uwnd after noraa elim, he was very survivalistic for a VT suggesting that we elim gera and have me choose between andres and noraa: too much self-preservation for a VT imo.

therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.

this was the reasoning for my uwnd shot btw, curious if it holds up

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I could definitely see you claiming enabler as scum though
also kudos to good play by insaneo for tricking mafia n2 and n3, I would've totally wasted my shot n2

Why would I claim Unwnd's role as their partner? If any scum is to get vigged, it would make sense to be Unwnd.

yeah that makes sense, I guess it's gera then

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therefore, my solve is nopoint/noraa/uwnd.

this was my solve you took too, Plus.

I didn't know

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When was PLUS conftowned?

like day 2/day 3

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This seems like a very outsized reaction considering I'm the only one really pushing you.

yeah

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I gotta say, even though notmafia is confirmed at this point they've been so quiet the majority of this game I don't really trust them to make good decisions here.

FL tantrum is a bit unwarranted. I feel like gera is the fade today. after that (if I'm still alive) it's a toss up between FL and andres. I need to check d1 votecount since if my theory of town being too inactive d1 to get a fade and mafia uwnd/nopoint were pissed n1 about it the third mafia had to have been either totally afk or had their vote parked on likely candidate for a mislim.

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I think dunn will be the kingmaker in this scenario today

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I will say FL pushing insaneo as a secondary option for the longest time is very odd to me, when I think he was practically confirmed day 3 when the maf targeted johny which was an odd move so they must've been worried about a bodyguard. I'd say this implicates FL a bit.

I think last scum is between FL and gera. I TR andres.

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well, I'll wait what dunn has to say before voting

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What? I didn’t set anything up. That’s ridiculous. I would never have tried to steer the shot towards my Partner there, ever. I would have either kept quiet or agreed with you then, since if I’m Scum you had it all wrong Flavor. I don’t understand why you’re going down this path. Like I said I made a few mistakes, but c’mon you don’t seriously think I get this emotionally invested as Scum. You have said that yourself in the past.

if you thought you were gonna get shot it might've been to set uwnd as the deepwolf or reverse psychology since I said I wouldn't trust you after shooting fuzzy.

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I'm gonna check d1 vote count since I think that'll give me my answer

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Vote count 1.Final

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-12-14 10:06:13).

elimination

1. Titus [0]:

2. Andresvmb [1]:

geraintm#33

3. unwnd [1]:

Not_Mafia#597

4. Flavor Leaf [1]:

Dunnstral#343

5. Hank Spankems [1]:

unwnd#596

6. shellyc [3]:

nopointinactingup#599, Titus#638, JohnnyFarrar#647

7. PlusJOYED [0]:

8. Not_Mafia [1]:

PlusJOYED#365

9. JohnnyFarrar [0]:

10. geraintm [0]:

11. TheFuzzyLogic99 [0]:

12. Dunnstral [3]:

Flavor Leaf#381, Andresvmb#403, Hank Spankems#602

13. nopointinactingup [1]:

shellyc#587

no elimination [0]:

Not Voting [1]:

TheFuzzyLogic99

mod notes

~ Apologies for lack of VC over the weekend, forgot this day was ending so soon.

Spoiler: vote log

Day 1 vote log

Post 5: Andresvmb votes shellyc
Post 6: Dunnstral votes geraintm
Post 7: shellyc votes Andresvmb
Post 10: PlusJOYED votes shellyc
Post 11: Dunnstral votes unvote
Post 13: unwnd votes TheFuzzyLogic99
Post 19: Not_Mafia votes Not_Mafia
Post 23: nopointinactingup votes Not_Mafia
Post 26: Titus votes nopointinactingup
Post 33: geraintm votes Andresvmb
Post 38: Flavor Leaf votes Not_Mafia
Post 69: Hank Spankems votes Not_Mafia
Post 75: shellyc votes unvote
Post 89: shellyc votes JohnnyFarrar
Post 94: nopointinactingup votes Dunnstral
Post 108: Flavor Leaf votes Dunnstral
Post 149: unwnd votes nopointinactingup
Post 157: Not_Mafia votes nopointinactingup
Post 172: Titus votes shellyc
Post 183: Andresvmb votes unvote
Post 185: shellyc votes Flavor Leaf
Post 186: Flavor Leaf votes Flavor Leaf
Post 228: Flavor Leaf votes unvote
Post 229: JohnnyFarrar votes Flavor Leaf
Post 232: JohnnyFarrar votes Andresvmb
Post 249: Andresvmb votes unwnd
Post 291: shellyc votes unvote
Post 292: shellyc votes unwnd
Post 293: nopointinactingup votes Flavor Leaf
Post 315: Flavor Leaf votes nopointinactingup
Post 339: unwnd votes Flavor Leaf
Post 343: Dunnstral votes Flavor Leaf
Post 359: PlusJOYED votes unvote
Post 365: PlusJOYED votes Not_Mafia
Post 381: Flavor Leaf votes Dunnstral
Post 403: Andresvmb votes Dunnstral
Post 503: Titus votes Flavor Leaf
Post 509: Not_Mafia votes Flavor Leaf
Post 548: nopointinactingup votes Dunnstral
Post 578: JohnnyFarrar votes nopointinactingup
Post 583: JohnnyFarrar votes Not_Mafia
Post 587: shellyc votes nopointinactingup
Post 596: unwnd votes Hank Spankems
Post 597: Not_Mafia votes unwnd
Post 599: nopointinactingup votes shellyc
Post 602: Hank Spankems votes Dunnstral
Post 638: Titus votes shellyc
Post 647: JohnnyFarrar votes shellyc

hmm I thought uwnd and nopoint would vote together but maybe I was wrong

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I'm hoping the 3 conf townies will vote together

the council will decide your fate

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Do you really believe I would have trusted unwnd as the deep wolf? If I’m Scum I’ve played it a lot better. I would have used whatever clout I had left with you to try and direct the shot away from the Team, not towards my Partner. The Scum are in a horrendous position right now, where they have to win 2 1v1s to win. Nobody would willingly put themselves here.

good point. I do think since like me and andres were the only people who really suspected uwnd so I think maf may have tried to set them up as the deepwolf. I think reverse psychology isn't really your style but I haven't seen you play scum yet either.
I guess that implicates FL more. Starting to TL gera a bit more too but I'd be pissed if gera won as maf playing as he has been. Hope we can avoid another heated argument over a game.

I keep flip flopping I'm gonna step back and take a break for a day or so and hear what dunn thinks.

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oh hey
ggs guys sorry you got frusterated flavor

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GG scum and thanks iv for hosting, nice set-up.

Excellent bodyguard shot insano

Yep I have to admit, that alone won Town the game. It made it super narrow.

Let me guess, you picked plus?

yes town made great choices night 3. The bodyguard shot was play of the game

sorry for shooting you titus and fuzzy. And sorry for trusting maf over you noraa

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FL had me convinced he was town up until today

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i fucked up the night 3 flip briefly, sorry to anyone who saw that

luckily wasn't a big deal but I will try to be more careful in the future because it could've been bad

thanks for playing and hope it was fun for the most part

yeah gj host i had fun shooting people

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looking at dead thread sorry you were upset noraa, a mean player can ruin the experience I ragequit a game a while back for similar reasons

I kind of wanted to trust FL this game since 2 games in the past I've tried to townblock with him but it didn't work out, so this was like, wow, the stars aligned and now it works out. But I was wrong