Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[DeasVail]

Hello, I love you all, gonna be busy today but soon I will be here and clear and sincere!

[DeasVail]

Sorry for being so out of action. I expect to be very much back in this within the next 1-2 days

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i was about to ask that but midway beat me to it so instead, the first townlean of the game goes to midway!!

Would scum!Datisi say this? I don't think it serves him any value as scum here.

I really like this kind of thinking and have early townreads on both midway and datisi (maybe this will change, who knows!)

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ABR's obvious scum when scum, not too worried about him. I'm just hoping DV's town so we can steamroll the scum.

This is very kind of you <3

And I hope you are town as well!

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People seem way too eager to make reads to the point where I feel like accuracy is being compromised.

I like this guy

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These seemingly innocuous questions have caught a lot of scum. I believe they're effective & efficient precisely because they seem harmless.

I understand the value of questions like that. I use that strategy myself.

However, the problem here is there was really almost no content in the game when you started doing this. You can't catch scum in the RVS stage like that because there aren't any interactions to check the results against, nor does it move the game forward. That's why it comes across as fake to me.

You are using a disagreement on mafia theory to imply Shoshin is being inauthentic

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Shoshin thinks that she has to act like "she doesn't care" as scum and that will get her through the day. It's ridiculously transparent. Caught scum doesn't understand why she's caught. We eject her and bask in the towncred tomorrow. First round of drinks on me, everyone!

Why wouldn't scum kill you?

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I'm not really feeling Shoshin as mafia right now.

I think it's incredibly low-value for Shoshin to do a "DV will save me!" plea as scum because I as annoyed town could easily say "uh I played with Shoshin once what's she talking about?"

Somewhat ironically my discomfort with the Shoshin wagon and my (probable) townread on Shoshin has nothing to do with Shoshin's meta. I just don't think she is mafia.

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I haven't read all of unwnd's posts properly but I get a very "misdirected town" vibe

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ah, that wouldn't be a reason for me to townread you though imo

Your play here is actually a bit different from what I remember of you from that game. I also think I remember hardcore thinking you were mafia only to change my mind before the end?

(@Shoshin)

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Also I think noraa needs to be considered as a candidate for mafia, though I need to do a reread to confirm.

ABR and VP are also making me nervous.

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I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

This is such a misfits townblock, I love it.

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I don't have any established townblock yet and I think making them this early is dangerous

No need to worry, the word "townblock" is almost always an exaggeration

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I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

This is such a misfits townblock, I love it.

I just noticed that noraa is in the townblock and noraa is like the prom queen.

I don't want to even go to the prom!

[DeasVail]

Shoshin, you will be missed.

More later.

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ugh woah what is going on? I'm reading up now but start work real soon so we'll see

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no, a weak hider dies on scum

have things changed since 2012 because the hider in hard boiled dies on scum (or a vig)

that's not the normal version of a hider

i don't understand normal roles anymore

You and me both

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Cakez is calling people "scumlord" something that you often do?

I need to ask because it's an irrational scumtell for me.

(Also I kind of just want to lynch Noraa, is that bad?)

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I may not understand normal games very well nowadays but is it even possible for Cakez' and Iv's roles to both exist in a mini normal?

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Also tracker seems really boring compared to the others

[DeasVail]

give me about 30-45 minutes and then I'll have an answer for you

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VOTE: cakez

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I would perhaps slightly prefer a noraa vote here but I can get behind the cakez wagon.

I must admit I don't think that it's impossible for cakez/iv/abr to all be town and if cakez is town I would likely not support a view that it incriminates abr or iv.

Honestly, Cakez just had me at "scumcake"

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Ok I want to go a word in before day ends with a vp hammer. DV looks scummy as fuck.
Literally scummy ASF

I would like you to expand on this and tell everyone all about how scummy I am!

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yeah Cakez's gradual disappearance and reduced urgency/content per post etc. as he gets run up does kind of feel like scum giving up

agree, it makes the preceding content seem all the more fake

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Ok I want to go a word in before day ends with a vp hammer. DV looks scummy as fuck.
Literally scummy ASF

I would like you to expand on this and tell everyone all about how scummy I am!

apparently ur getting checked tonight. That guilty'll say it all.

This seems quite lazy to me.

You seemed to think it so important that you mention thinking I was scummy, only to not actually care to say anything beyond that?

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My role pm's green color is shaking.

...I don't think town role PMs do that noraa

PEdit: <3

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Also VP Baltar where are you?? You promised me the world and then let me down!

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I'd vote noraa (obv)

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UNVOTE: Cakez
VOTE: noraa

!!!!

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Where dafuq is gamma and DV?

How often do you need me around gosh

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Is there anything on the last 10 pages that isn't this same Cakez vs. ABR debate

That’s what I’m wondering too. It seems like people want us to post but seriously there’s only so much that’s worth saying

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If I had something productive to post right now then I would be doing it.

Right now my main thoughts are that most posts made are not actually very helpful and I’m not convinced by noraa’s unsolicited meta

[DeasVail]

If I had something productive to post right now then I would be doing it.

Right now my main thoughts are that most posts made are not actually very helpful and I’m not convinced by noraa’s unsolicited meta

what are your reads right now?

I will post them when I get home

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I’m not convinced by noraa’s unsolicited meta

expand. did you even read that game?

did you even read that game?

DV why'd you get so silent? When u were saying my own meta didn't support me here, u probs didn't even read that game did you?

Chill

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Oh another one lovely

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If I were a vig I'd have so many scumbutts to choose from. It'd be like walking around in a candy shop. So many scummy ass options. So many annoying ass options. Too many options.

When I think that everyone is scum that would usually imply that my way of reading people is wrong

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I’m not convinced by noraa’s unsolicited meta

expand. did you even read that game?

did you even read that game?

DV why'd you get so silent? When u were saying my own meta didn't support me here, u probs didn't even read that game did you?

Chill

ok then answer. don't discredit my meta if u haven't even read a game.

Why can’t I? Why do I need to read the whole game?

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I don’t think I ever said that

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Im not convinced that any person’s two scum games will look exactly the same.
When I quickly skimmed your posts I didn’t actually see much significant difference that made me think woah Noraa is town.
I disagree with the expectation that I need to read someone’s previous games before having a read of someone in this game.

I feel like you are trying to discredit my suspicion of you when I am clearly not actually at home and don’t have the time to respond to posts constantly and you know that.

I have no idea why I should actually think that noraa is town

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Why can’t I? Why do I need to read the whole game?

what'd u even read then? 2 posts? 10 posts?
on what basis do you get to say my scum game looks anything like the bullshit I'm doing this game?

I’m not convinced by noraa’s unsolicited meta

Obviously those are two different statements?

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You are implying that no one is allowed to think you are scum after you posted a scum game that you think is different from your play here

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It's so fucking clear the drastic ass difference between my scum game and this.
My scum games are not all the exact same but what I've done this game is so far out of my scum meta that I think everyone that doesn't see it is blind.

I've thrown myself straight into the fire so many times this game that everyone is insane if they think this is my scum game where I care about self preservation over anything else.

Scum!me has fucking solo carried my team thru 5 mislims in a row before. Is everyone just gonna think this big ass mess is scum!me.

I literally don't care that my only reason for being town is "too far out of scum meta" cuz that reason ALONE MAKES ME OBVTOWN AS FUCK

You are both bragging about how good your scum game is and implying that you can’t expand your scumrange

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I am confirming my reads now yeah, but I don't see it as being super important if the outcome of the day is decided anyway.

stops me from being lazy though!

[DeasVail]

DV's Tears:

[Datisi, innocentvillager, ABR]
[Iconeum, petapan]
[midwaybear, Gamma Emerald]
[VP Baltar, SirCakez]
[Noraa]

Some of these are based only on impressions from what I've read, and some who were more fuzzy to me I have done an ISO skim to refresh. I will be giving further thoughts on some of these reads shortly.

[DeasVail]

There's definitely a sag in the middle

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IV and ABR being at the top is based on their roles and their play around the roles. Prior to the claims, both slots were questionable to me in terms of gameplay, but the way that the claims emerged and how they have used their claimed roles to influence their view on the game feels organic and fits the kind of logic that I would expect from town.

Datisi is the kind of slot that I am naturally paranoid about. Posting that seems natural and effortless has fooled me before! But I do not want to sound fence-sitty about Datisi, and more importantly, I don't want to FEEL fence-sitty about Datisi. Is there anything about Datisi's posting that causes me to doubt he is town? No. Is there anything that I would expect him to differently as town? No. There are multiple points in reading the game where I have felt that a post from Datisi indicates he is town and if this somehow became a Shoshin situation I could try going back and finding them but for now I am satisfied with this read. I am not fence-sitting I swear!

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Iconeum's talking around their role feels low-effort and unnecessary from scum (in a similar vein to what Datisi was thinking in a recent post). It's difficult to explain the Iconeum read beyond this, but I kind of like comparing Iconeum to VP Baltar in my head. Where VP's questioning often seems like questions for the sake of questions (more on this later) and to fulfill a certain expectation, Iconeum's posting comes across to me more as just posting whatever they're thinking.

Petapan - I like their expressed frustration with the Shoshin-elim day and not getting to post. I have considered the possibility that this is mafia pretending to care but honestly that doesn't seem like petapan's vibe to me. 966 is [oddly] interesting to me because I think that mafia here just ask the questions instead of talking about how they're going to. Also pretending to have notes in 1055 is just not the kind of fake effort I expect from petapan as mafia. (Just some examples of posts by petapan that have stuck out to me)

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Midwaybear - I don't have too much to say. There are some things I like as his posting often seems to do the opposite of appease, and I find the general snark endearing okay?

Gamma - It's kind of nice how the recent move from Cakez to Noraa kind of mirrors my own. I would like to think that Gamma appearing AFFECTED by certain things happening in this game is town but I can't help but worry that there is a degree of pretending there.

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VP Baltar - I'm honestly so underwhelmed by this slot. There seems to be an over-focus on how much people have posted/how often, which in a fairly high-tempo, high post frequency game like this I think is a lot less important, but something easy for mafia to focus on. Questions often feel more forced (e.g. 979) as if they're coming from a mafia mindset of "hmmm... I should ask a probing question now". I think overall though it's VP's general positioning in the game that is concerning me. He is mediating, asking questions, posting opinions, but there is a real lack of anything there that convinces me he is as invested as town would be. He feels distant, safe, indifferent in some ways.

SirCakez - Didn't concern me much from memory on Day 1 but the main basis of my read is actually the reaction to the events of Day 2. I think there is certainly genuine frustration there but a post such as 1744 feels especially desperate because ABR's play seems obviously erratic in a way that would occur as either alignment. 1901 seems a little too over the top as a show of townie-ness. There is lingering uncertainty, but there always is I suppose.

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Noraa - I have gone back and forth on this a bit in my head, wondering if noraa as town could actually get this stressed out in response to pressure. But I always come back to thinking of Noraa as mafia. The biggest things for me are:
- The reaction to the Shoshin claim switch. It did not seem like a natural town response and much more like from someone who knew Shoshin was town and wasn't sure how to react.
- The more recent approach to my slot, going from OTT claims that my slot is obviously going to be found out as mafia to getting super bothered by me pointing out inconsistencies and inaccuracies in her posting.

[DeasVail]

I am VT

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DV weren't you scumreading VP Baltar? Why were you ok with him leading the claims like this?

I don’t think it makes much practical difference. Do you?

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well that seems a bit silly

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Will catch up tonight but I’m pretty okay with ABR going here. I also still am ver y interested in eliminating Dunn

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Also Dunn is BoPing me when my reads have not actually been worse than anyone else’s based on flips so far. It’s honestly a pretty lazy reason that seems like an excuse to suspect a prime mis-elim candidate

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You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

Which games?

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Also Dunn is BoPing me when my reads have not actually been worse than anyone else’s based on flips so far. It’s honestly a pretty lazy reason that seems like an excuse to suspect a prime mis-elim candidate

My pov:

DV's Tears:

[

Datisi

, innocentvillager,

ABR

]
[Iconeum, petapan]
[midwaybear, Gamma Emerald]
[

VP Baltar

,

SirCakez

]
[

Noraa

]

Some of these are based only on impressions from what I've read, and some who were more fuzzy to me I have done an ISO skim to refresh. I will be giving further thoughts on some of these reads shortly.

Your reads are pretty dire

Cakez was eliminated without me even being needed on the wagon. Most of the game considered ABR to be town day 2. I also correctly townread Shoshin in contrast with the rest of the game.

I am disappointed in having some wrong takes but I don’t know why you think I stand out in this way.

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You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

Which games?

I ask because it does not fit with my own impression

[DeasVail]

Cakez was eliminated without me even being needed on the wagon.

Doesn't really matter

Most of the game considered ABR to be town day 2.

Also doesn't really matter

I also correctly townread Shoshin in contrast with the rest of the game.

But they still died

It kind of does if you are basing your read on me off these things

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You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

Which games?

I ask because it does not fit with my own impression

I'll fully admit, I don't put much stock in meta, but I hope you're not saying you're high efforting this game...

Yeah uh that’s not what I’m saying

[DeasVail]

Cakez was eliminated without me even being needed on the wagon.

Doesn't really matter

Most of the game considered ABR to be town day 2.

Also doesn't really matter

I also correctly townread Shoshin in contrast with the rest of the game.

But they still died

It kind of does if you are basing your read on me off these things

I went back and looked

Your 'defense' on Shoshin is painfully thin, and you ignore the wagon for hundreds of posts until it gets eliminated

All the while you're not actually voting for anybody

You were definitely just sitting back and watching things happen

With sircakez: You only voted for them and my slot, the wagon going through without you doesn't matter because you were clearly calling them scum and blending in

Other players thought ABR is town isn't a defense

Re: Shoshin you seem to be conveniently ignoring that the period of me “just sitting back and watching things happen” occurred over the space of less than 12 hours (most of which I wouldn’t even normally be awake for) and only a few RL days after the beginning of the game itself.

Me saying that most people thought ABR was town isn’t a defence, it’s more pointing out why your reason for suspecting me is not very specific to me

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b/c without the claim i didn't like him and removing everything about it i don't see how he isn't scum and im losing my mind over you seeing obvious lolcatting and still doubting it

This is where I’m at re: ABR

[DeasVail]

Midway/gamma is the sort I'm struggling with. I'd be interested in anyone's in depth thoughts there

This is difficult for me to decide as well and I’ve sort of been saving it for after the ABR flip. Neither mwb nor gamma have inspired strong feelings in me either way. I’d probably choose to vote gamma if I absolutely had to make a decision now because gamma’s read progression and stances feels more fabricated but I am certainly not holding myself to that decidion

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VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

I don’t see any reason to drag this out further

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oh that's interesting

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Okay yeah I'm not backing out of an ABR vote

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all I can say is that I am town and I know I haven't done anything magnificent this game but tbh it's been rough ever since Shoshin was eliminated out of nowhere (I admit that after the claim shenanigans it was a forgone conclusion though).

I don't know exactly what people have expected of me that I haven't delivered, but I am actually seriously worried about being eliminated here because I don't know if town recovers from it.

(okay in some ways it would be a relief but I want to try too, you know?)

[DeasVail]

(I'm also still very much feeling Dunn as mafia. Dunn literally used my townread on ABR Day 2 as a reason for scumreading me, highlighting it as red in my reads list, and then chooses to vote me over ABR????)

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I think Dunn is a prime example of scumbuddy who saw team-mate ABR as a goner and so gave up on him, only to jump to juicy alternative option (me) as soon as it looked possible that ABR might survive. Because it is not consistent with how Dunn has been talking about the game.

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I'm not sure about IV

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There's a very real possibility imo that IV is actually just out of the loop

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There's a very real possibility imo that IV is actually just out of the loop

I don’t think someone out of the loop go in so deep in a devil’s advocate gambit

IV's posting has been setting off so many alarm bells for me, like seriously, but it's gotten so far beyond the point of ridiculous that I can't help but question it

[DeasVail]

Hammer desvail right now and we win you idiot

this is not how mafia works

[DeasVail]

DONT LET SCUMBAG ABR BRAINWASH YOUR SOULS

NOOO

HES GETTING US TO FUCKING TURN ON EACH OTHER. THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS. DONT YOU FUCKING DARE LISTEN TO THE SCUMFUCKERRrrrr

RRRAAAAAHHHFFDGGSFDPGB,L;G,R'GFBRWGW

[DeasVail]

I thought more shouting might help

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I agree with VP Baltar that me-ABR scum together is not really disproven at all,.

It would be hilarious if we were

Alas :'(

[DeasVail]

In the meantime ABR, let’s get to know each other.

What’s your favourite colour?

(There’s a little too much tension rn.)

[DeasVail]

BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR FRIENDSHIP ALBERT???

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Albert I don’t remember you either tbh

[DeasVail]

But still!

[DeasVail]

DV wagon absolutely infested with scum

gamma may actually be town here

It was a bit of a shock to me too

[DeasVail]

I'm town

I've also been very lost since the ABR flip and I'm having to re-evaluate everything right now.

I will be working on this in the coming days and sharing my thoughts for whoever care to see it.

I know that my chances of getting to the end of the game WITHOUT being eliminated seem incredibly slim right now but I'm going to give it a red hot go!

[DeasVail]

I'm town

Here's the thing...

I don't think midway and peta are scum together

Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum

And that seems less likely to me than it being you

So yes @iconeum

I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole time

[DeasVail]

I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole time

What does a convincing solve look like if we're both town

After what happened Day 3 I have to really rethink what a convincing solve even is.

Obviously things have been very wrong and probably every town player has been missing something.

I am expecting that Gamma will actually be where I look first today but I would like more time before pushing that.

[DeasVail]

ABR started the counterwagon...

okay

Obvious stuff, but it would have been much better for scum to have ABR go through as a lynch rather than me. From scum PoV I am someone that could be easily elim'd later whereas ABR had much more potential to redeem himself.

The same could honestly be said even from a PoV of you thinking I'm scum.

[DeasVail]

Gamma why don’t you think I’m scum?

Everyone else seems to

[DeasVail]

Hmm I think I’ve changed to having mwb as my priority for todat

[DeasVail]

Does anyone have strong feelings that Ico is town? Ico's always given me a town feel here and seems to be one of the more townread slots throughout but going with Ico town probably ends up leaving me with a Gamma/MWB/Dunn scumteam which doesn't quite

FEEL

right.

[DeasVail]

but sure, shade me all you want

Does anyone have strong feelings that Ico is town? Ico's always given me a town feel here and seems to be one of the more townread slots throughout but going with Ico town probably ends up leaving me with a Gamma/MWB/Dunn scumteam which doesn't quite

FEEL

right.

This reads like ur shopping for a flip, or like

testing the waters where you can push

'hey guys i do townread this ico fella buuuuuuuut…'

thoughts?

i think the thought process is:

I'm town!DV, I TR peta and IV reasonably well, I townread Ico on gut/tone/vibe but im less sure on that/want some more reasons to feel good about that read, so I want to see if anyone can bring up some compelling argument to TR him, so I can feel better or worse about my Gamma/Dunn/MWB solve that I'm already feeling meh about

This is surprisingly on point

[DeasVail]

I didn’t expect it. That’s all I can say really

[DeasVail]

I'd like to vote gamma today

I think right now I’m at gamma or midway

[DeasVail]

This makes me feel kind of nervous even though it probably shouldn’t

[DeasVail]

I’m torn on DV
That is where my mind went to after figuring IV is town, and your suggestion makes some sense but DV also just feels like he’s in practically the same spot I am rn

Why are you tugging at my mindstrings so?

[DeasVail]

Does anyone have strong feelings that Ico is town? Ico's always given me a town feel here and seems to be one of the more townread slots throughout but going with Ico town probably ends up leaving me with a Gamma/MWB/Dunn scumteam which doesn't quite

FEEL

right.

Why is IV town for you?

I realised I missed this but honestly I don’t know. I’m at the point where I’m just thinking which scumteam outcomes would be too weird and honestly IV makes for really strange scum here.

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oh I meant the vote

I've had to put up with the fear of being elimmed for a while now

[DeasVail]

After a few flick-throughs, my choice of vote would be midway I think. There's hardly anything there that I find difficult to think of as coming from scum. In everyone else, there's something that gives me pause.

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My main reason for strongly considering you as town is your assumption that ABR was scum Day 3 actually felt very real. Colour-blocking ABR as red in my reads list would be a bold scum move, plus I think that your play this day phase is town motivated.

I’m sort of in a similar place to you regarding Ico. They’re reaction to me considering them as scum seemed a bit freak-outy and too much like attempting to discredit me. I think that you and I could have easily been seen as two juicy mis-elim candidates for scum which would explain ico’s strong angling for us.

Mwb feels like he’s just trying not to put a toe out of line but he also just doesn’t seem to care. Not in an unmotivated way, but in a truly doesn’t care sort of way. Why does he not scumread me here after voting me over ABR the previous day? Is he scared to push too hard for a mis-elim. The complaining about me/gamma did not feel genuine.

I suppose gamma is quite possibly scum here, trying to distance from the rest of his team. I still have doubts but I think we’re shockingly aligned at the moment Dunn

[DeasVail]

Mmm ok. I'm still leaning towards Gamma, but I'll skim through ISOs

Guys

[DeasVail]

DV, from my perspective, I'm potentially kind of feeling you as town from how things have played out, but in a vacuum it's kind of hard to like, confidently townread you here

can you see why i might think that? what do you think makes you town this game

I can definitely see why you might think that and as I’ve implied earlier I’m so used to being a scumread here that it doesn’t really bother me. I will keep posting and keep trying and we will see what happens!

Mmm ok. I'm still leaning towards Gamma, but I'll skim through ISOs

Guys

i don't know what you're trying to say there, the fact that he won't vote his supposed scumread says enough to me

That is essentially what I’m saying yes. He was ready to vote and now he’s going to “skim through ISOs”. I don’t buy it

[DeasVail]

woah I thought muffin had somehow replaced in for a moment there

[DeasVail]

I'm pretty sure I made a recent post about that

I don't have much more to offer right now. Maybe will post more later today if I have anything to add?

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No worries IV. I realise I may have been a bit obstructive.

You’re right about that being the scumteam I think is most likely. I’m most confident in mwb being scum and probably least confident in gamma right now.

The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to Dunn being town.

I have mild paranoia about peta, but only mild.
I also have mild paranoia about you.

I can’t do a super clear ordering of who I would put as replacement scum out of you/peta/Dunn as it kind of changes in my head. And it would be a particularly harsh blow if Dunn is actually scum and I’ve been convinced out of it. But, I would like to think that my re-evaluation has been for the better rather than for the worse

[DeasVail]

sorry that was supposed to be spoilered

anyway, the people who have been coasting today are:

innocentvillager (partly on purpose)
Iconeum (not even, just V/LA)
petapan (idk, he's just been paranoia/unsure or is faking it)
Dunnstral (but this is typical NAI Dunnstral)
midwaybear - they're ready to vote/have the solve and haven't been trying to push more discussion
DeasVail - they've been coasting all game, acknowledging that they haven't really done a ton this game, but still continuing to coast
Gamma - has given up

Dunn hasn't really coasted, they have pushed their scumread from DV away into Gamma, now teaming up with their prior top scumread because ??
peta's been ?? for sure, but i just see a lost townie there
mdw is either straight out scum or a newbie town here. I've seen both in players before.
DV has absolutely been coasting all game, and IIRC he isn't even surprised about Dunn's change of heart?
Gamma at least tried to reach out to me and work things through, which is more then I can say about most of these live players

Why would I be surprised about Dunn’s change of heart when I also had a change of heart? I mean, it is a pleasant surprise I guess, but town-me is not going to take issue with Dunn suddenly townreading me in this sort of situation. As Dunn said, it’s much easier to just keep the scumread. I think even me/Dunn scumpair is very unlikely when I think continuing to bus each other leads to victory a higher % of the time.

I also think you’re only saying I’m coasting because that’s what other people have said.

[DeasVail]

I hope that wasn’t actually signalling for a quick hammer D:

[DeasVail]

Uh I legit forgot about daytalk. (I don’t want anyone to read into this as a town tell or trying to town tell or anything like that. Seriously, please don’t)

I was reminded of my newbie game on the site where I had the thrill of quick hammering with my partner for the win and I did it so awkwardly and it was so nerve-wracking and aaaahhhh!

(I don’t know what newbie games are like nowadays but we definitely didn’t have daytalk back then.

PEdit: regarding Dunn, it really was the ABR flip and the shock of that (although it probably shouldn’t have been in hindsight) that really caused me to rethink things. I had ABR and Noraa/Dunn as a team that made so much sense in my eyes at the time. And for the reasons I thought Dunn made so much sense as a partner for ABR (dismissing him as caught scum, then moving off him to vote me) I thought Dunn made less sense after the flip

[DeasVail]

Assuming me-town though, why doesn't dunn just continue a scumread on me? It would be so easy? I went into this day expecting to probably be eliminated.

[DeasVail]

Good game. Amazing job to the scumteam

[DeasVail]

I think as a town we were definitely making a lot of progress in the final day, just too little too late unfortunately