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[fferyllt]

Greetings, Gentlebeings!

Cabd you have two pages left.

[fferyllt]

Syr I am sad. Very sad.

[fferyllt]

Hi guys!

I suspect cabd is a treasonous fan of some lesser pizza brand, like dominos (ew!) or Pizza Hut (yuk!). Just remember, when you want individual artisan-style pizzas and salads, you have to come to MOD Pizza. Your Pizza, Your Way!

Mod conftown for this post.

VOTE: Cabd

For scumreading my mason buddy.

This is an outrage.

[fferyllt]

Cabd, you gonna spend the next 2 pages cowering in the scum pt?

[fferyllt]

Aw hell no

Gladiate: Ffery

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ffery

You're scum with Cabd, but I shall let him live to end you

No masonry for you, I'm afraid.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: syr

My heart isn't even patched up and it's already breaking.

[fferyllt]

Cabd, you gonna spend the next 2 pages cowering in the scum pt?

Today is my first day back to (pretending to) work!

I have a big grown up email and everything.

Condolences.

[fferyllt]

waht

post-traumatic game syndrome.

[fferyllt]

I already told you why

I see nothing but rubble and brick shards. :/

I'm so sorry you drew scum this time.

[fferyllt]

waht

post-traumatic game syndrome.

ok i get that and that was that game and this is this one

why'd you quote my syr vote in particular

Because it's the one I saw!

Why are you voting syr?

[fferyllt]

I already told you why

I see nothing but rubble and brick shards. :/

I'm so sorry you drew scum this time.

If I'm the big bad wolf and you're the piglet with a brick house: 1. who were the other piglets and 2. why you fuckin lyin about me bein able to blow your house down

Pedit: Pooky :/

There is exactly one way to make it up to me, Rider.

[fferyllt]

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

If I were scum, I actually would be crying in the scum PT about now.

[fferyllt]

It was general agreement, but clarity that it's like SUPER fucking light.

I'm sad. It's page 4.

[fferyllt]

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

If I were scum, I actually would be crying in the scum PT about now.

Nu uh. This player list is like the dream to draw scum into, the ultimate proving grounds.

Look at how tryhard our boy is.

Our boy?

You realize this is the first post you've made that even glimmers green?

[fferyllt]

I have no desire to shine bright green this game.

I want to be a murky lime green, or maybe a "grass in the central valley" light brown, at most.

Thankfully, this entire fucking player list is night action bait, so we can ALL delight in being equally magnetic.

Who did you mean by "our boy"?

[fferyllt]

I have no desire to shine bright green this game.

I want to be a murky lime green, or maybe a "grass in the central valley" light brown, at most.

Thankfully, this entire fucking player list is night action bait, so we can ALL delight in being equally magnetic.

Who did you mean by "our boy"?

Who did you think I meant?

I asked because I couldn't tell.

Pooky, contextually, but not following the thought train if that's who you meant.

[fferyllt]

ah.

literal-mindedness strikes again.

[fferyllt]

You officially suck at reading me, Remilia. You can be scum with the other 4 or so people I'm now scumreading.

Who are these 5 scumreads?

[fferyllt]

I love ice cream.

I've been staring at your posts in Smoke-filled and Death Curse the last few minutes, reminding myself of some half-baked theories I concocted a couple weeks ago.

[fferyllt]

Anything with ribbons of caramel. Preferably salted caramel.

[fferyllt]

sigh

[fferyllt]

It's all he has, ffery.

He can't ACTUALLY post lest he get Bell'd.

Damn, I knew I should have posted purely in gifs so my tone can't be read.

Actually, srs question for you morph. Is bork always this gameface this early?

He has one recent game. He made one non-serious post on page 1 and then was serious after that.

From the before-times, including the couple Deacon Blues games we played, he was pretty srsbsns from the start.

~spayhalf

[fferyllt]

Fiery do u like ice cream?

You never spelled my username this way in the smokefilled game.

[fferyllt]

I'm so goddamn desperate to get a red PM these days, I feel like I ought to go sign up for six more games to have a shot at one. Fakegod's antechamber fakeout is the closest I'm gonna get this year.

I'm reading this like it's being played in a telenovella.

The lady doth protests too much.

I'll probs have things to say about this in a page or 3.

[fferyllt]

Fiery do u like ice cream?

You never spelled my username this way in the smokefilled game.

i never phoneposted in that game and it keeps autocorrecting. i can change it if you would like me to?

As long as I recognize a name derivation I answer to it!

I wanted confirmation of what I suspected was the reason. I have an additional layer to weigh up.

[fferyllt]

As long as I recognize a name derivation I answer to it!

I felt it fit your fiery playstyle. I can keep using it if milady prefers?.

That was an unusually fiery game for solo-me, and I am honored by the description!

[fferyllt]

co-sign

Really? This feels more like a tangent!

Thoughts?

[fferyllt]

Any port in a storm, eh?

Extending your metaphor, I don't feel like you're making waves here.

[fferyllt]

Prism, do you have a peta read?

[fferyllt]

It's not a quantity thing.

But, yeah, the pace is making me itch. That's what reading assignments are for!

[fferyllt]

co-sign

Really? This feels more like a tangent!

I would dayvig you for this if I had a gun.

Also that morph question was aimed at you too, spayhalf.

I'm spayhalf

~ Rift

[fferyllt]

I am intentionally holding back on my posting, indeed.

I don't think a me-focused day one is always the healthiest way a game can proceed. Especially in a player list of this caliber. Especially-especially in a normal/open as opposed to a theme.

I mean, hell, Skitter and Elements have yet to get a single post in.

I'm probably going to hold some things a little closer to my chest than normal too, so prepare your hive-rash treatment gel as required.

This is not the stuff of day 3 tickets.

[fferyllt]

Noted.

Prism is quite shiny, yes.

[fferyllt]

This game is making me smile!

Syr, get in here and explain yourself.

[fferyllt]

ffiellt wasnt anything anyway.

I'm insulted.

[fferyllt]

Any port in a storm, eh?

I did not like this post

What bothers you about it?

[fferyllt]

Elements, have we played together before?

[fferyllt]

I'm curious how you came by a townread of me.

[fferyllt]

Any port in a storm, eh?

I did not like this post

What bothers you about it?

The implication was that vax was willing to move his vote to wherever (presumably to push an ML) when it seemed to me 125 just followed from 124

I'll want to revisit this after Cabd responds (or doesn't).

[fferyllt]

Not that it matters since I already poisoned him anyways

This game is making me smile!

Syr, get in here and explain yourself.

Beetlejuice? Beetlejuice. Betelgeuse!

Whatchu want?

Why haven't you asked me to dance?

syryana why are you voting fferyllt and can you stop and vote vax instead thank you

Your command is my wish
VOTE: Vaxkiller

You skipped the first question.

@mod, do you think his reasoning for voting me over others is really valid?

I'm not sure NPOM can answer that question, feels like it would breach the integrity of the game.

God I love you. I think you're the best mason buddy I ever had :') <3

[fferyllt]

I already gladiated you. What more do you want?

Some semblance of effort at sorting me?

[fferyllt]

To the second, sounds kinda kinky, I'm in. Also more excellent cover for our masonry, so I appreciate it from a strategic point of view as well.

I think we should cover ourselves by inviting more masons to our party. Think we should let prism in?

Pedit: ? You think I haven't already been sorting you?

Your sorting me is usually a little louder iirc, our last 2 games notwithstanding.

[fferyllt]

To the second, sounds kinda kinky, I'm in. Also more excellent cover for our masonry, so I appreciate it from a strategic point of view as well.

I think we should cover ourselves by inviting more masons to our party. Think we should let prism in?

I have some meta with Prism that I would like to check first. Either way, I'm not sure that I would want them in yet. I have confidence they will town tell as the game goes on if they're town, so I think I'd probably rather wait for that to happen.

But you're ok with me getting an invitation.

[fferyllt]

It's usually Cabd who plays with paranoia fire. :/

[fferyllt]

Our last two games are the only games I've played in years though? Watching you and Cabd interact is far more telling than anything I could say or ask. That's how I read you in smoke. So what's the problem here, exactly?

What have you gotten from our interaction?

[fferyllt]

Our last two games are the only games I've played in years though? Watching you and Cabd interact is far more telling than anything I could say or ask. That's how I read you in smoke. So what's the problem here, exactly?

What have you gotten from our interaction?

[fferyllt]

Don't think this line of questioning is productive any more. Can you both instead unpack your syr read because I'm no longer calm about it.

Assuming I'm one of "you both", mid-dance.

You know that.

[fferyllt]

prove me wrong

wasn't my intent here. I'm going to take a break from this interaction.

@cabd: I didn't like Syr's opening (I didn't really read it as shitposting), it looked to me like an attempt to throw ffery off balance by initiating their "dance" in an aggressive way when nothing had really warranted that.

I haven't pursued it again because of the shitposting comment but since then he's pretty much not done anything

fwiw it didn't come off as aggressive to me.

[fferyllt]

It's an ongoing process. I like how you're treating him with more suspicion than you did in Smoke and I can see a pretty clear trajectory on your read of him from squinty-eyed suspicion to a cautious townlean. Am I wrong?

Directionally? I wanted an early interaction that would have made him solidly town to me early-early.

[fferyllt]

It's an ongoing process. I like how you're treating him with more suspicion than you did in Smoke and I can see a pretty clear trajectory on your read of him from squinty-eyed suspicion to a cautious townlean. Am I wrong?

Directionally? I wanted an early interaction that would have made him solidly town to me early-early.

I'm not 100% sure what exactly this means

From the outside me sorting Cabd must look a lot more prickly than I feel about it internally.

Cabd didn't simply avoid the kind of back and forth I wanted. He acknowledged what I was looking for and said straight up he's not playing this game in that vein.

I don't really want to discuss how I'm interpreting all this right now, if ever!

[fferyllt]

From the outside me sorting Cabd must look a lot more prickly than I feel about it internally.

Cabd didn't simply avoid the kind of back and forth I wanted. He acknowledged what I was looking for and said straight up he's not playing this game in that vein.

Oh, I think I see now. You're sort of leaning town on him because he acknowledged that you're not going to get the Smoke-level crumbing/interactions again, right?
Do you really think that's AI in his case?

I didn't expect anything like smokefilled crumbing here. As far as AI goes, it's more about what's useful for scum-Cabd than whether a particular behavior is AI.

[fferyllt]

From the outside me sorting Cabd must look a lot more prickly than I feel about it internally.

Cabd didn't simply avoid the kind of back and forth I wanted. He acknowledged what I was looking for and said straight up he's not playing this game in that vein.

Oh, I think I see now. You're sort of leaning town on him because he acknowledged that you're not going to get the Smoke-level crumbing/interactions again, right?
Do you really think that's AI in his case?

I didn't expect anything like smokefilled crumbing here. As far as AI goes, it's more about what's useful for scum-Cabd than whether a particular behavior is AI.

I suspect we're getting into territory that you don't want to discuss, but fuck it. What was it you were looking for? Barring an answer to that, did you get enough of what you were looking for to no longer be prickly about him?

I'm extending him a little heavily footnoted trust.

[fferyllt]

Forget bridesmaid. I'm just here as the wedding caterer this time.

borkthoughts?

[fferyllt]

Forget bridesmaid. I'm just here as the wedding caterer this time.

borkthoughts?

Forget bridesmaid. I'm just here as the wedding caterer this time.

borkthoughts?

Nah.

Really don't want to pick at either bork or prism rn.


More interested in hecticalt and vax homework for tonight's insomnia dose.

this is...not really what i expect from either of you after last game

What were your expectations?

[fferyllt]

engagement / attempt to wade through your initial wariness / pinging off each other

I'd love to outsource my read of you but that's probably not going to be possible. Probably not optimal either.

[fferyllt]

None of the 2020 comparables are good game states for this player list

Sorry, what does this mean? Also, I’m having a memory — did you play in the anon wolfdance, Cabd?

I was gentleman the 6th, chaos gent, indeed.

To unpack the top part a bit more...

Often times when ffery and myself are in a list and not a hydra together, day one becomes completely dominated by our posting and prodding at each other, an eternal arms race between us that's been going on seven years now.

We both semi-unretired this year. none of the games that have take place in 2020 have had a version of that dance that I would consider healthy for this player list, nor the kind of play I want to be having this game. It's not that I can't dance with her and spam it up. It's that I won't. I want to enjoy players like Prism that see a 150 page day one and nope the fuck out.

I haven't planned on that kind of rematch either. This game would be going differently if I had. This is a sort of test.

[fferyllt]

heh!

Apropos of nothing, I've been thinking about what I'd expect from town-Pooky in this gamestate. Not sure my expectations are good, but they are kiiiinda being met.

[fferyllt]

I've been thinking about what I'd expect from town-Pooky in this gamestate. Not sure my expectations are good, but they are kiiiinda being met.

I’m going to go ahead and tentatively disagree with this read.

Elaborate?

[fferyllt]

Ffery, don't feel like you have to play around me by the way. I don't hold it against you.

Like I said, I'm excited to run several aspects of previous games back and play them out the right way.

I don't feel that way. I'm in the process of exiting observation mode, I guess.

It's probably naive of me to think this way, but I feel like I got a useful-ish grasp of how you think as scum from the dead/spectator PT in the FGO game. I may get around to reading some of the scum games you linked, but for now I'm kinda happy with the scum-prism model I have not really matching your play here.

I'm in a don't wanna mood re meta homework.

[fferyllt]

I've been thinking about what I'd expect from town-Pooky in this gamestate. Not sure my expectations are good, but they are kiiiinda being met.

I’m going to go ahead and tentatively disagree with this read.

Elaborate?

I don’t really think pooky has done anything town indicative so far — that is to say, that he wouldn’t do as scum, apart from maybe not try that hard to pocket me, albeit he might be slightly warier of trying that two games in a row.

What I'm expecting is tonal, mostly. I've never come under the full brunt of scum-Pooky's charm. Even a glancing encounter was pretty powerful stuff, though.

[fferyllt]

Skitter I have a major problem with that catch-up post.


I bet Ffery sees it too.

I see it.

Feels a little different, though. More to say one of these days.

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I'm fading and the game is picking up speed. :/

[fferyllt]

My hope is we hear more from the other low content slots in a meaningful way this evening, although these posts here have been plenty pleasant enough, and I am very rapidly approaching the point where I feel I've posted enough myself that is alignment indicative that I can begin burdening my cohort to have reads of me or die.

This goes both ways.

[fferyllt]

Fiery my north star, I shall not post more than any1 else this game I promised myself despite my overwhelming enthusiasm,

some1 very smart told me if I spam too much she has trouble finding bad guys.

I feel like I should know who this is.

[fferyllt]

DGB would you say you've mellowed over the last few years?

[fferyllt]

DGB would you say you've mellowed over the last few years?

I'm dumber

I don't know about mellow?

You scared the crap out of me in a couple games. I'm not feeling the Eye of Sauron or the whir of the scumputer here. Trying to decide if I should be happy about that.

[fferyllt]

- scumpings on ffery p2

Hello!

[fferyllt]

Why no followup?

[fferyllt]

Bork, you're scaring me.

[fferyllt]

Why no followup?

Is she obligated to?

I might get something useful if she does.

Trigonometricaly speaking, I had a sort of through the looking glass moment reading through the interaction with Mod Pizza.

[fferyllt]

Bork, you're scaring me.

In what way and why right this second? I'm curious as to where you expected me to go w/ 318

my worry's been growing. I'm not getting any sense of being sorted by you.

I'm not sure how I should expect you to approach sorting me after the illicit game. :/

[fferyllt]

Bork, you're scaring me.

In what way and why right this second? I'm curious as to where you expected me to go w/ 318

my worry's been growing. I'm not getting any sense of being sorted by you.

I'm not sure how I should expect you to approach sorting me after the illicit game. :/

I'm probably going to deal w/ people differently every game. That's just my way. I had a limited townread of you after the first couple pages.
Was kind of waiting to see where you'd end up w/ cabd - I like syr a little better for pressing you on it a la 297.
Any further response to my 192?
Where are you at w/ Syr now?

I expected from the outset that you'd be wary after illicit - I felt like pondscum every time I had to interact w/ you guys that game and basically resort to emotional manipulation at every turn, and so much of my play was devoted to getting your slot on my side that it became really exhausting and my play in other areas suffered for it. so yeah, I expected this kind of post last night vs anything about outsourcing to someone else, I guess.

192 was my post? Assuming that's what you wanted to link, my impression of Vax's play at that point was that he wanted to rachet the highest votecounts and see what shook loose. What was your impression of Vax's play to that point?

I didn't really interpret Syr's post as pressing me. More about wanting my impression of Cabd at that point. After the smoke-filled game he should know a lot about how I develop a read on Cabd.

I was ok with Syr's line of questioning. It showed a lot more thought process than I was getting from his earlier content.

[fferyllt]

Exactly. I expected SOMETHING that gave me a sense of being sorted.

Bork, if you're holding back here, don't. you did what you had to do in that game and you did it well enough to keep me off balance. No hard feelings.

[fferyllt]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ffery

~snort~

[fferyllt]

This does resolve a few niggles, though.

[fferyllt]

192 was my post? Assuming that's what you wanted to link, my impression of Vax's play at that point was that he wanted to rachet the highest votecounts and see what shook loose. What was your impression of Vax's play to that point?

I misspoke - was a you post responding to a me post. I expected you to have something to say about Cabd later. I didn't have an issue w/ Vax's play up until then.

I don't know if your implication was what Cabd meant by that post. But, I do think your implication resonates a little with Vax's play at that point. I am going to resist metaing shit, but I've seen that kind of play around wagons (and usually by town players) fairly often. For players who think votes = pressure, it's a tactic.

[fferyllt]

I don't know if your implication was what Cabd meant by that post. But, I do think your implication resonates a little with Vax's play at that point. I am going to resist metaing shit, but I've seen that kind of play around wagons (and usually by town players) fairly often. For players who think votes = pressure, it's a tactic.

what do you think cabd meant by that post, then?

I'm not sure! I kinda assumed he was noting the ratcheting, and maybe thought the earlier vote was a bad one.

Bork, if you're holding back here, don't. you did what you had to do in that game and you did it well enough to keep me off balance

No, that's not what I meant. I expected you to come in w/ some sort of trepidation around me. Why do I appear to be holding back? again, what are you expecting that I'm not doing? Does "not sorting" mean I'm not interacting w/ you or what?

Yeah. I expected more interaction.

[fferyllt]

Yeah. I expected more interaction.

Well, on that front:

I don't really feel like 613 really answered any of the questions I had about your reads.

I don't want to share either of those reads atm given what's happening in the thread. I want to study these waters, not muddy them.

[fferyllt]

I don't want to share either of those reads atm given what's happening in the thread. I want to study these waters, not muddy them.

I feel like on one hand you're telling me to be more direct w/ you and in the same breath you're playing extremely close to the chest yourself and I don't think that's particularly fair to me.

Also leaves me wondering what you would've said here had 616 and on not happened.

At that point, I would have shared the reads. though in at least one case there would have been more footnotes than I'm feeling at the moment.

this isn't really fair to you, given I was trying to stir up interaction.

even less fair, I'm fading again, but it is what it is.

[fferyllt]

I am like... doing the non-scifi equivalent of venting air from my star ship into the atmosphere while the ffery-scumhunter-battallion is searching for me among the asteroids, and they're not even bothering to check it out?

Yeah, no.

Ha!

This would be the game where I decide to see where I get if I DON'T try to make you a stake in the ground.

There's a fair amount of data in your chemtrails.

[fferyllt]

Ok. Live updating this as I go through. These are all leans as of current, but with no confidence yet to place an actual vote:

benhalkum - I'm town.
Mod Pizza - Town lean.

Most post are town indicative.

skitter30 - Town lean.

Most post are town indicative.

Prism- Town lean.

Most post are town indicative.

fferyllt - Town lean.

Post look mostly town indicative.

borkjerfkin - Null lean.

Later post are starting to show more of play.

*

Elements - Null lean.

Post could go either way, but play can't be determined currently.

*

Vaxkiller - Null lean at the moment,

but cautious on lack of substance provided.

Could be scum

*

hiding in plain site

or town

*

who isn't committed fully to the game this early.

Originally had said they felt town, but that was because nothing had jumped out scummy in my initial skimming before reading the threads.
petapan - Null lean at the moment,

but cautious on lack of substance provided.

Could be scum

*

hiding in plain site

or town

*

who isn't committed fully to the game this early.

Syryana - Scum lean. Posting but not taking the game seriously. Could be because its still early, but

there is plenty to go off of to have town discussions

.

*

DrippingGoofball - Scum lean. Now real town substances in any of the post, but a feeling of misdirection.
Cabd - Scum lean. Post seem lay out mini crumbs in several areas for people to follow without leading a charge.

[honking noises]

PookyTheMagicalBear - Heavy scum lean. Post are not town indicative. On the aggressive side of not providing any depth in post. Red signals here.

[/honking noises]

Not caught up, but has reads on everyone.

I re-ordered them... in order of copypasta!

Note the abundance of fence sitting. "Could go either way" "Could be scum or town." Note also empty language like "Later post are starting to show more of play" where he basically says that "the second half of his posts show 50% of his play"

"No confidence" to vote but seems pretty damn sure Pooky is spewing red all over the game, so why no Pooky vote? Pooky how do you feel about being bus'ed?

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sentences that mean literally nothing

What does your color coding mean?

[fferyllt]

My vote is less about ffery being town and more about Cabd being scum. Back when ffery and I were sorting each other on page 10 or so he hopped in a couple times to egg ffery into scumreading me, or at least prevent us from townreading each other. Now, he's done it again, except with bork and ffery. Me too a bit, but the primary interaction was between ffery and bork. I should have known after all that pantomime sighing about never drawing a red PM.

Pedit: Guys while I appreciate your efforts can we yeet the actual dangerous scum here, thanks

I don't think this is the approach scum-Cabd would take with me.

[fferyllt]

I am like... doing the non-scifi equivalent of venting air from my star ship into the atmosphere while the ffery-scumhunter-battallion is searching for me among the asteroids, and they're not even bothering to check it out?

Yeah, no.

Ha!

This would be the game where I decide to see where I get if I DON'T try to make you a stake in the ground.

There's a fair amount of data in your chemtrails.

You remember GiF's Pick and Ban game? I don't feel as direly threatened here. The stakes are a lot lower and I'm (hopefully) not nearly as easily tilted as I used to be. illicit substances notwithstanding.

[fferyllt]

My vote is less about ffery being town and more about Cabd being scum. Back when ffery and I were sorting each other on page 10 or so he hopped in a couple times to egg ffery into scumreading me, or at least prevent us from townreading each other. Now, he's done it again, except with bork and ffery. Me too a bit, but the primary interaction was between ffery and bork. I should have known after all that pantomime sighing about never drawing a red PM.

Pedit: Guys while I appreciate your efforts can we yeet the actual dangerous scum here, thanks

I don't think this is the approach scum-Cabd would take with me.

What does he do then? He's got to stop us from finding each other or we make one hell of a hard time for him.

I don't think scum-him worries about that? I think he'd get more enjoyment out of leading the townbloc to the gates of hell and manipulating the fuck out of us. Like AMOL level fuckery but painted on a different canvas.

[fferyllt]

My vote is less about ffery being town and more about Cabd being scum. Back when ffery and I were sorting each other on page 10 or so he hopped in a couple times to egg ffery into scumreading me, or at least prevent us from townreading each other. Now, he's done it again, except with bork and ffery. Me too a bit, but the primary interaction was between ffery and bork. I should have known after all that pantomime sighing about never drawing a red PM.

Pedit: Guys while I appreciate your efforts can we yeet the actual dangerous scum here, thanks

I don't think this is the approach scum-Cabd would take with me.

What does he do then? He's got to stop us from finding each other or we make one hell of a hard time for him.

I don't think scum-him worries about that? I think he'd get more enjoyment out of leading the townbloc to the gates of hell and manipulating the fuck out of us. Like AMOL level fuckery but painted on a different canvas.

I wasn't in AMOL. Besides, with greatest respect, do you think Cabd's meta is still the same as back then? And that he tries to pull something like that off in a playerlist like this one, where exists so many people that know him well?

It's not about a meta trajectory so much as it is what he'd find challenging and enjoyable as scum in a player list like this one. from morphtalk, etc., this game hits just about all the markers he's talked about wanting in a scum game. The only limitations are the normal setup rules themselves.

Maybe I'm catastrophically wrong here. If I am, maybe I'll realize it eventually.

I wasn't going to talk about this read at all yet. :/

[fferyllt]

I'm not sure what you think I've done to aggravate you but it's ok I'm sure you will be happy after I'm dead.

Are you feeling fatalistic for real?

[fferyllt]

How much electronic ink will be spilled over a futile chase of Cabd's meta? How convincing is it going to be?

I'm trying to play

this

game, not every game that everyone has ever played.

I'm not chasing his meta. I'm trying to extrapolate his mindset.

[fferyllt]

How much electronic ink will be spilled over a futile chase of Cabd's meta? How convincing is it going to be?

I'm trying to play

this

game, not every game that everyone has ever played.

I'm not chasing his meta. I'm trying to extrapolate his mindset.

For the record I am here but letting this play out. Sometimes a vote is a vote. Sometimes it's more than a vote. Sometimes it's less.

I used my fancy calligraphy pens on the invitation. My windows of alertness are what they are.

[fferyllt]

It's feels like a few different games in parallel.

[fferyllt]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ffery

ew
VOTE: Cabd

This is the murkiest post in the quicksand rapids I created btw.

I was still studying the waters, thankyouverymuch

[fferyllt]

I have an extremely rough and sketchy pookytown model based off watching one pookytown game in real time and playing one game with pookyscum. I saw a post he made last night that my pookytown model strongly predicted. That kind of post is probably the only thing my pookytown model would even recognize with assurance.

I'm not really comfortable pushing this read amongst people who know him way better than I do, but I'm kinda trusting it anyway.

[fferyllt]

Are you town fferyllt?

Do you find this kind of question helpful in getting reads?

[fferyllt]

@bjork Yea, to be honest im still there with lots of thoughts, but im not going to talk about it until they come back refreshed and then ill take another look.

@fferyllt That was like an opining line to say "lets chat"

That kind of question is a pet peeve of mine. softest of softballs.

I've said more about my reads than I really wanted to at this point. :/ In general, I focus on townreads/PoE, especially in the early game. Sometimes a scumread hits me right between the eyes, but it's not usually something that happens early day 1, and it hasn't happened here so far. I don't feel like I have that great a grasp on the last 5-10 pages. If I manage to stay awake past 8 tonight, a reread is in my near future.

I didn't like your early play, though I thought the ratchet thing you were doing with your vote was more likely to come from town than scum.

I'm townreading Prism, Syr, Cabd, maaaaaaybe bork. Despite her Cabd vote, I've really liked much of what Elements has posted. Skitter did at least one, maybe 2? game health maintenance post, and I am a sucker for those. :/

And there's the pooky post I think fits my rube goldberg town model.

[fferyllt]

It's not about a meta trajectory so much as it is what he'd find challenging and enjoyable as scum in a player list like this one. from morphtalk, etc., this game hits just about all the markers he's talked about wanting in a scum game. The only limitations are the normal setup rules themselves.

I don't understand this take - you think scum cabd would just let you and me and syr run around all as town for the lulz and sheep him just to dunk on us post game rather than start infighting?

No. That's not what I think.

I'm not giving him any more of a fucking roadmap to hacking my brain than I already have.

[fferyllt]

Fferyllt stop pretending you haven't noticed I am in the game!!!!

I didn't tell you how impressed I was with that meta links post you made in the game you linked me to!

[fferyllt]

Actually it wasn't meta links but it was still an impressive post.

[fferyllt]

tbh the most suspect thing about her is that she hasn't spoken to me but i assume that's 'cuz i've lost my shine

<3

I had the notion you were timestrapped, and didn't feel like pushing you for it.

I shouldn't be awake but here I am. In a few hours I'm going in for a covid test, and then a video appt with my doctor after that. I'll catch up around midafternoon pacific time.

[fferyllt]

Thanks!

That was an ordeal.

Cabd:

I've joked about you losing your can read ffery card in many games.

You've lit it on fire this time.

Despite not having a drawn out dance -- by your preference -- there is plenty in this thread for people who know me to accurately read me from. Do it. Or we can dance later today.

Vax:

You've not responded to my characterization of your early voting as racheting. If that's not what you were doing, what WERE you doing?

[fferyllt]

Fiery why did you build a rube goldberg model for me? is it something you do for everyone? I appreciate you *hugs*

I use generic models a lot with people I don't have much experience with. And some people I do have experience with defy my ability to quickly or easily differentiate their town vs scum play. I saw things in your death curse game that I didn't see in smoke filled. I don't want to trust it because of your depth of experience in the game. There are behaviors I associate with vintage players that I'm not seeing in your play which makes me think you're a highly idiosyncratic player. Or, this year has given you plenty of time to evolve your play to current meta. Or both!

But, my gut's telling me it's a real difference anyway.

[fferyllt]

I think you might be mistaking the forest fire for the trees.

I'm not feeling like games and puzzles atm.

[fferyllt]

ugh.

Sorry guys. Can't stay awake. I WILL be back and I WILL catch up.

Today.

[fferyllt]

I'm starting on page 1. dealwithit.

hint of a townread on ffery

Somebody's probably asked this already, but what in hell was the basis of this?

hint of a townread on ffery

But like the shitty kind of advertising hint, where "Hint of Lime" means "a single lime was in this 500 gallon barrel of water at one point during storage" for a vitamin water brand.

I don't think I've ever had a homeopathic read before.

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

Why did you ask this?

I love ice cream.

I've been staring at your posts in Smoke-filled and Death Curse the last few minutes, reminding myself of some half-baked theories I concocted a couple weeks ago.

Ha! I don't even remember referencing the pooky model so early.

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

If I were scum, I actually would be crying in the scum PT about now.

Nu uh. This player list is like the dream to draw scum into, the ultimate proving grounds.

Look at how tryhard our boy is.

it would be the worst thing actually

but the second worst thing happened to me, which is being town in this list

I remember in smoke-filled, you said something that was less of an "I'm town" and more of an "I'm not out of my scum-range, sucks to be you", early on.

I'm so goddamn desperate to get a red PM these days, I feel like I ought to go sign up for six more games to have a shot at one. Fakegod's antechamber fakeout is the closest I'm gonna get this year.

I'm reading this like it's being played in a telenovella.

The lady doth protests too much.

I'll probs have things to say about this in a page or 3.

I think maybe I did circle back to this, but just in case, in our morph hydra we've both talked about drawing scum in this iteration of out-of-retirement. Cabd's looking forward to it a LOT. And he wants it to happen in a stacked player list. Regardless of his alignment here, this is a thing he thinks about and it's a thing he says.

Can we get a wagon going and start this?

This post clanged when I first saw it. Not the "start this" part but the emphasis on getting a wagon going. And because it came immediately after what looked an RVS vote on Cabd. However, it fits with the later pattern of ratcheting your votes. The 3 post combo is just...itchy.

5 pages in already and all I know is I kinda want pizza and/or ice cream now.

There was content to interact with, but slack given for it being his first post.

Any port in a storm, eh?

Somehow, I mentally placed this post a little later in the thread. I have a memory glitch to repair. I think Prism's related 129 might have been the seed of my townread.

No, I'll get to day three on my own merits, TYVM.

{Prism}
---Giant Gap of Prismness---
{the rest of you lot}
---Giant Gap of Sadz---
{Vaxkiller}

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vax

I really liked this post and still do. Rummaging back through this thread, I'm re-finding the stuff that initiated my reads. I was worried I might not agree with past-me given how little of the thread actually stuck in my head beyond the moment.

I see your vote, and a counter with a wagon
VOTE: fferyllt

This was the post that struck me as a ratchet. Moving off his 1-vote wagon and onto the wagon with the most votes. I expected to see him do this another time or three in the next few pages.

Element's 150 was the start of a series of posts that struck me as excited and down to business. Calling out 3 players I'm pretty sure are unfamiliar to her to join her vax wagon looked really confident. I remember she missed that Cabd was already voting her, but damn, look at those posts. They're so confident.

A page 6 reads list? lol!

VOTE: elements

I may unvote if that reads list a joke or something.

Lets wagon this instead. ffiellt wasnt anything anyway.

Don't like this.

I feel relatively strongly that elements is town.

Do like this.

Any port in a storm, eh?

I did not like this post

What bothers you about it?

The implication was that vax was willing to move his vote to wherever (presumably to push an ML) when it seemed to me 125 just followed from 124

Still disagree with this, but I wonder if I'm beating the same path over again in my head and overlaying it all with my liking of 146.

is how I read 126. It's so obviously sarcastic that it fells forced and as if it's trying to get people to join in "for the meme" as it were

i get what you're saying but i feel it's pretty innocuous

it is a page 7 read list

I laughed.

I'll answer whatever question someone had for me+give other comments when I get home.

I like this Elements a lot more than the one I saw in Undertale. Putting all 3 of Candy/Ffery/Syr town for Elements scum is very brave

Another brick in the read.

I'll answer whatever question someone had for me+give other comments when I get home.

I like this Elements a lot more than the one I saw in Undertale. Putting all 3 of Candy/Ffery/Syr town for Elements scum is very brave

only if they are actually all town

The implication is clear. What are the underpinnings?

[fferyllt]

I'm starting on page 1. dealwithit.

is there a particular reason you're going to this now?

I was going to have to start around page 20 anyway because that's about where I completely lost the plot. The early game's enough of a blur that I decided to go ahead and completely reread. And I feel like I haven't been clear enough about how I'm processing the game so as well as reading it and processing it, I'm posting about the bits that have contributed/are contributing to my reads.

Given the bits I've misfiled or didn't pick up on completely, doing it this way is even more beneficial than I expected.

Is it being in the thread annoying?

[fferyllt]

I have to admit, my eyebrow is raised, going for the AMOL doubledown strat is pretty cheeky, if this is what this is.

I vaguely remember having to do a mid-day 1 reread there. I was a little tilted by Nero Cain at the start and needed a reset iirc. Not that it helped me get the day 1 elim right.

Is that what you're talking about or was it a GCBC thing?

[fferyllt]

This is staring to give me Red Wine vibes.

[fferyllt]

Were you voting me?

[fferyllt]

Also how is that an AMOL vibe?

[fferyllt]

This is staring to give me Red Wine vibes.

I don't remember that game were we town?

Yeah. You voted me on page 5 or 6 and insisted I was scum for a big chunk of day 1 for shits and grins. One of the worst tilts I've ever dealt with and I still didn't fully trust you at elo. We lost that game to Guyette (Tammy replacement) and Nati (Empire replacement).

Nightmare of a game.

[fferyllt]

Does that mean you're pretty sure I'm town here and you're mad at me for messing up my you read?

Because it sure sounds like that's the case.

Yeah I think you're town. Though tlaloc knows where my paranoia eventually takes me.

And no, I'm starting to feel like you're intentionally toying with me with this "read". In that game I went absolutely nuts trying to figure out what caused you scumread me when there WAS no cause. I'm not going down that path here.

Are we done here? I've got shit to do.

[fferyllt]

I'll hold off inducting prism if you hold off on this one for me for a bit.

How's this going?

Our last two games are the only games I've played in years though? Watching you and Cabd interact is far more telling than anything I could say or ask. That's how I read you in smoke. So what's the problem here, exactly?

I asked you a different question about this at the time, but Is this

really

how you read me in smoke-filled? I didn't have that impression at all. It felt like you were using my interactions to develop a read on Cabd.

I'm apparently the WORST at noticing when people are sorting me. :/

I keep reading posts I want to ask questions of and then finding I asked the questions and they were answered.

This has not been a good week.

heh!

Apropos of nothing, I've been thinking about what I'd expect from town-Pooky in this gamestate. Not sure my expectations are good, but they are kiiiinda being met.

Quoting this for you, Pooky <3

i like mod pizza and syryana for town

If Glitch was here, he'd say that my town reads mean they're probably scum

Did you trust these reads?

why would I reaction-test someone I know to be red.

are you trolling me Vaxkiller?

Are you actively pushing this read?

this is one of the sets of interactions that feel like a disconnected thread of the game. Maybe everything is a disconnected thread.

Also I prefer she/they pronouns thanks

I usually try really hard to just use they, sometimes I slip up. Regardless its my fault, and I'm sorry.

Also (to anyone) if my persona is a little to much please let me know, as the real me is nothing like how I play this game. I'm a little boisterous because I feel like my voice sometimes get lost in the veterans and better players than myself. Deep down I know I'm not that great at this game, but I just want my opinion/thoughts to be heard.


Ok back to it

I don't think you're getting lost here. Nothing's really gelling at this point. Maybe it gets better in a few pages.

No dude, not trolling.

But seriously, like is DGB know for shit posting at the start of a game as being scum?

I'm not questioning your ability, its just that theres not alot of content there.

if I needed content to find bad guys I wouldn't be very good at this game.

loled

yay i have caught up

VOTE: elements ama

Didn't like this vote.

ele isn't that town

Elaborate?

Fiery my north star, I shall not post more than any1 else this game I promised myself despite my overwhelming enthusiasm,

some1 very smart told me if I spam too much she has trouble finding bad guys.

At one point, I had more posts than anyone else. Maybe at the point of this post.

Sadly, my propensity will probably kick in again and I will be the supreme shitposter of this game.

Pookie your messing with my head.

it's just something for me to laugh at when the game is over in case that's what actually happened here.

very low chance it actually is true.

that's why they're called paranoid thoughts.

Yea, problem is I always start listening to those thoughts... I start trusting them as "gut" and then before I know it, its "fact".

Im going to pretend we didn't have this conversation.

I'm liking some of the vaxposts I'm seeing in this section of the thread. less bombast more vulnerability?

why would I reaction-test someone I know to be red.

are you trolling me Vaxkiller?

No dude, not trolling.

But seriously, like is DGB know for shit posting at the start of a game as being scum?

I'm not questioning your ability, its just that theres not alot of content there.

Yes.

I'm dead. gnight.

[fferyllt]

Quoting this for you, Pooky <3

You know me too well <3

No I don't. Not yet anyway!

Since you asked about your model I wanted to show you where it's raised its nascent head

[fferyllt]

the attempts Cabd has made to engage have been met with hostility

Is this about me?

[fferyllt]

DGB do you feel like Pooky's push on you is something he's likely to do as town?

[fferyllt]

I know better than anyone here that you're not at the peak of your motivation and confidence right now. I'm glad to see that you're building yourself back into the game.

But if you're scum, I'm gonna getcha

i'm 100 feet outside my scumrange already

no one will believe me on that but that's okay

Ha! I found it!

How are you feeling about Prism?

[fferyllt]

Prism if you want me to go into why I feel like your play here doesn't match what I gleaned from your play/commentary in the FGO game I'm willing to unpack it to a point.

It also played into my read of your slot in illicit after the FGO game ended and I saw the dead pt/contextualized your two content posts there.

I'll have more data after this game and the model will no doubt get more murky. :/

[fferyllt]

I know better than anyone here that you're not at the peak of your motivation and confidence right now. I'm glad to see that you're building yourself back into the game.

But if you're scum, I'm gonna getcha

i'm 100 feet outside my scumrange already

no one will believe me on that but that's okay

Ha! I found it!

How are you feeling about Prism?

read this page and guess

So I see!

[fferyllt]

No even a tiny bit on board with eliming Cabd.

[fferyllt]

No I don't. Not yet anyway!

Since you asked about your model I wanted to show you where it's raised its nascent head

My question was more like, does your model spit out things I say? so if I were feeling like super bored of a game, could you lend it to me and I can just use your model to post for me and it would be a fairly accurate representation of me?? cuz that would be dope. Anyway I really appreciate you building a model - that seems super cool and very nice and I know you might do it for everyone but it warms my little heart and makes me feel special anyway <3.

Alpha version 0.01 is all about tone, I'm afraid.

I do it for many if not most players I think I'll play with fairly often.

[fferyllt]

No even a tiny bit on board with eliming Cabd.

i'm putting the entire cohort in the poe and you can't stop me

I'm pretty good at standing in doorways. Sometimes not the doorways I should be blocking. :/

I feel confident about this one.

[fferyllt]

Test was negative!

I need to step away for a bit and let that soak in.

@Cabd I think you're being dumb here. If we don't get to a handclasp pretty soon it's going to eat at my sanity. That's not going to be a pretty sight. :/

[fferyllt]

Test was negative!

Same!

Oh wow, I didn't know you were getting a test. Congrats! I feel like a mountain just slipped off my shoulders.

[fferyllt]

Did you not read my post? I said I was stepping away for a little while.

I don't know what you're looking for out of me right now. You push away my attempts at engaging you. You point and laugh at me working through other aspects of the game. There's a gaping hole where I usually find hints about your take on the game.

Maybe that's all my fault? This is the ffery you get this game. I'm no dethy queen and right now I don't even feel like there's a neuterhalf to bounce ideas off. You haven't earned anywhere near enough trust in how YOU'RE processing the game for me to follow you around.

The one thing I keep coming back to is that I don't believe this is how scum-you would choose to (dis)-engage me.

[fferyllt]

I don't think a re-do will fix anything.

I'm probably going to be ready to put down a GiF style readslist tonight.

Maybe that's a starting place.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: prism

There is a shocking lack of trajectory behind this vote.

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Prism

VOTE: pooky

VOTE: prism

Theres your trail.

I somehow missed your first prism vote. :/

why'd you vote them the first time? The second time?

[fferyllt]

No even a tiny bit on board with eliming Cabd.

i'm putting the entire cohort in the poe and you can't stop me

I'm pretty good at standing in doorways. Sometimes not the doorways I should be blocking. :/

I feel confident about this one.

you're gonna be standing in the door to the trash compactor

Aggressive language!

[fferyllt]

Cabd! Ready to talk reads?

[fferyllt]

alrighty!

Syr! You around?

[fferyllt]

I'm working on Gif style tiers.

Not feeling a chapter book tonight.

[fferyllt]

I'll reply to this all in the morning. I will not get into the mud with you tonight. If you're worried I'm running, hold the rest.

i'm starting to kinda feel like you might be town even though i disagree with just about everythign you're posting, which is kinda weird
i'm gonna unvote for now but i would like to talk to u more when u have a chance

VOTE: ffery

Have you tried to engage me and I missed it?

[fferyllt]

cuff cuff!

Elements delenda est

My townread has faded a bit, but not like this.

[fferyllt]

roughly that level of engagement thus far ^

Essentially naked votes don't get much reaction from me.

[fferyllt]

You want to go first, or me?

Spoiler:

Maybe scumbody will write a spoilered bulleted list about it.

[fferyllt]

None of these have strong conviction but are how I feel after staring at ISO skims for fifteen minutes wheeeeeeeeeeee.

{Vax, borkie}
{ben, pizza}
{Prism}
{ffery, syr, pookey}
~~~THE LINE I GUESS IDK~~~
{skitter, Peta, Elements}
{dgb}

Ben is solid in my need more info section. He's the player most likely to force me to do a reluctant meta dive. Do you have meta?
DGB surprises me a little.
Pooky's been creeping into a pocket scumread during my painful reread, and it makes me sad.
I played one game with Skitter before my last hiatus. I was really impressed with her play in that micro. I started rereading it when she /inned to this game. This is nothing like that game.

{--------}
{Prism, Cabd}
{Mod}
{Syr, Vax, Peta, DGB}
{Pooky}
{skitter}

I don't know where to put bork. :/

{

[fferyllt]

{--------}
{Prism, Cabd}
{Mod}
{Syr, Vax, Peta, DGB}
{Pooky}
{skitter}

I don't know where to put bork. :/

there's a cushy spot right at the top where you have nobody

what's your holdup. why don't i get to be in the middle even

I feel so unsorted here. I know you and prism are yelling at each other and maybe that just gets in the way of seeing how your other reads are forming. It's fucking insane that I need more data from you, but such it is.

My empty spot at the top is a challenge to a few players who I know can make me willing to bet the farm they're town.

[fferyllt]

I played one game with Skitter before my last hiatus. I was really impressed with her play in that micro. I started rereading it when she /inned to this game. This is nothing like that game.

was that the jingle micro btw?
that was one of my favorite games

It was! I loved the way you approached that game. Not surprising at all you were the N1K.

[fferyllt]

Do you have meta?

NOT A DAMN ONE!

I didn't even click the meta link whoever posted about him posted, because I found this to be outragously towny:

They're just bread crumbing.

What role am I breadcrumbing???

Obviously not bread crumbing as in a role, but in your actions.

I've already voted for you as I'm confident I'm right. I don't feel the need to engage any more.

Either others will see your actions as scummy and vote also, or I'll get coted out, flip green, and they'll go back and see where they should have voted for you.

:shrugs:

I did like that post. I'm less sanguine that towns will generally heed their confirmed town's read after a night of carousing.

[fferyllt]

It was! I loved the way you approached that game. Not surprising at all you were the N1K.

i know but i'm not particularly trying for that this game

What are you trying for?

[fferyllt]

I played one game with Skitter before my last hiatus. I was really impressed with her play in that micro. I started rereading it when she /inned to this game.

This is nothing like that game.

{--------}
{Prism, Cabd}
{Mod}
{Syr, Vax, Peta, DGB}
{Pooky}
{skitter}

ffery are you basically saying that me not looking like the micro points to scum!me? or is that a separate thought and not why i'm at the bottom of ur readslist

The game did set some expectations, but no I wouldn't expect you to play exactly the same way in this game for a buncha reasons. I did think you'd play incisively and chase down and question stuff. I also wondered if you'd remember me from that game. I don't think I'm playing like that game either, which is probably a good thing.

[fferyllt]

ok so why am i at the bottom of ur readslist?

and yes i agree i'm not necessarily playing incisively and chasing down things and questioning stuff, but you don't seem to be implying that i'm inherently scummy for it, so i'm not super following

i do remember that game (it was one of my favorite games!) but i'm not particularly comparing your play here to that of that one

You've voted me twice iirc and did NOTHING to actually sort me. I post a reads list with you at the bottom and now you're engaging.

If my reads list accomplished nothing else, at least there's that!

I know I've been semi-present here and there's a good chance I'll wind up doing another complete fade tonight. That probably doesn't make me as easy to engage as I should be.

tangentially, it's interesting to go from months of insomnia to suddenly not being able to keep my eyes open 2 or 3 times a day.

What are your thoughts on the rest of my reads?

[fferyllt]

I hope it doesn't stick around.

[fferyllt]

No even a tiny bit on board with eliming Cabd.

i'm putting the entire cohort in the poe and you can't stop me

I'm pretty good at standing in doorways. Sometimes not the doorways I should be blocking. :/

I feel confident about this one.

you're gonna be standing in the door to the trash compactor

Aggressive language!

BTW this is a real thing and I'm not sure how to weigh it. It's a vivid repartee.

[fferyllt]

You've voted me twice iirc and did NOTHING to actually sort me. I post a reads list with you at the bottom and now you're engaging.

yep p much. i'm p sure i just said it's likely i'd be more engaged if people are pushing me.

so again are you actually scumreading me y/n cuz i feel like you kinda sidestepped giving a straight answer to this like twice in the past 12 posts now.
(and i'm starting to feel like you're trying to avoid giving a straight answer ...)

the reason why i haven't necessarily been trying to actively sort u is that i kinda have ~vague nebulous pings~ that you're scummy, but if you actually tried to ask me why, i have no idea how to articulate it beyond ~vague nebulous pings~ and i don't have anything in particular to pin it on or that i can point to
and i was kinda hoping that voting would spark some sort of reaction but apparently i just learned that i'm not gonna be getting that from u
and i townread a bunch of people, and nullread a bunch of people, but don't necessarily scumread anyone super strongly so at least the second time (i.e. the one from earlier tonight) was more of a resting place for my vote while i figure out i want to do next because i know i don't townread you, which is a lot mroe than i can say about other people

your cabd read is p inscrutable to me, but i'm kinda assumign it's gonna be so i'm not super interested in it
why are you townreading prism?
and why is pooky all the way towards the bottom

I am scumreading you, and it comes down to how you've interacted with me, your strongest scumread (I assume, anyway).

Sometimes votes and scumreads give me an opportunity I don't often get in games where I'm a very well known quantity.

Unless I have a lot of history with someone, and sometimes even then, the main value to me in being voted is in seeing what happens after that. Who follows along either with a vote or with words. Who avoids it. Who pokes at it. It can be the most useful wagon for analysis that I see that whole gameday.

The data here has been meh.

[fferyllt]

Do u think me/skitter is S/S?

I don't teamhunt on day 1. Not even thinking in those terms.

[fferyllt]

I feel so unsorted here. I know you and prism are yelling at each other and maybe that just gets in the way of seeing how your other reads are forming. It's fucking insane that I need more data from you, but such it is.

ok, stream of consciousness:

I like vax. Haven't liked any pushes on vax.
I scumread syr early but I think syr's been very town since the shitposting phase stopped.

I'm acutely aware that skitter has been on my side during this prism thing, but it seems like the sort of push that is almost necessarily not an SVS interaction with prism; it feels like it's plenty easy for scum prism to just go after me and ignore the cheerleading that skitter is doing for me.
peta just seems off and weird and interactions with prism are especially weird.

I have very little opinion on DGB. I think her style doesn't lend itself to a strong D1 read; to a certain extent this applies to pooky too but I think pooky just feels more town to me through various tonal aspects in the teen page regions
I'd put ben below both of them probably
mod pizza i need to reread - been mostly glossing over everything they post because it's been extremely focused on a narrow part of the playerlist.
Elements seems reasonable and pretty transparent but is not really something I can take to the bank with that ISO

I don't like that cabd has been cutting in at low impact times and staying away at high impact times. To even get him to comment on prism was like pulling teeth and that was at F-2. Cabd has also been really guarded about me and then throws me in top tier town suddenly which just I guess doesn't match the sort of attitude toward me I'd be expecting around that.
FFery, I notice also that you have prism pretty high up without really a reference to anything besides 129 and I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that considering

It's been a fuckton of things with Prism. I feel like I know how they are processing this game better than anyone else, that or there's a ton of stuff going on under the surface that I'm not seeing even a flicker of. and in all of that, there's been so many instances of thinking what I'm thinking. I'm reading this thread peicemeal and skipping around for context because I lost the plot initially somewhere around page 15, I think.

If you want a more detailed answer you'll have to wait until tomorrow.

I loved the way Elements jumped into the game initially. Her first few posts were gloriously excited and sans evidence she loves playing scum to that degree, I'm always going to read that kind of careless energy as town.

I know Cabd's sticking point in all that, but I don't agree. It doesn't negate the overall vibe there at all.

I'm not getting that same level of energy from her later posts, but I'm really not seeing stuff that troubles me either.

I feel like Syr and I have unfinished business.

There's a lot of emotion in Mod's posts and I feel like it's hit the thread in quick succession when he gets worked up. I feel like there'd be a little more reserve if he were scum. Maybe a lot more reserve. I don't have a great grasp of his stances, though. Handfuls of paranoia though.

I'm not sure what you mean about low inpact vs high impact times.

[fferyllt]

I feel like I'm missing a lot of posts/parts of posts that are addressed at me. It's coming at me too fast. Gimme a minute.

[fferyllt]

You've voted me twice iirc and did NOTHING to actually sort me. I post a reads list with you at the bottom and now you're engaging.

yep p much. i'm p sure i just said it's likely i'd be more engaged if people are pushing me.

so again are you actually scumreading me y/n cuz i feel like you kinda sidestepped giving a straight answer to this like twice in the past 12 posts now.
(and i'm starting to feel like you're trying to avoid giving a straight answer ...)

the reason why i haven't necessarily been trying to actively sort u is that i kinda have ~vague nebulous pings~ that you're scummy, but if you actually tried to ask me why, i have no idea how to articulate it beyond ~vague nebulous pings~ and i don't have anything in particular to pin it on or that i can point to
and i was kinda hoping that voting would spark some sort of reaction but apparently i just learned that i'm not gonna be getting that from u
and i townread a bunch of people, and nullread a bunch of people, but don't necessarily scumread anyone super strongly so at least the second time (i.e. the one from earlier tonight) was more of a resting place for my vote while i figure out i want to do next because i know i don't townread you, which is a lot mroe than i can say about other people

your cabd read is p inscrutable to me, but i'm kinda assumign it's gonna be so i'm not super interested in it
why are you townreading prism?
and why is pooky all the way towards the bottom

I think I've answered the prism question in a reply to Bork.

Re Pooky my impression coming into today was that he's been mostly off-topic posting, chivvying Mod over his paranoia about being pocketed, and occasionally declaring that DGB's scum with no reasoning and nothing for her to push back at. I've kind of humored/returned his blandishments toward me just to see if I got echoes. I didn't really. The one thing I wondered/expected was if he'd ask me again about ice cream when I didn't volunteer a favorite flavor. I feel like he's rerolling some of the things he did when pocketing Alisae in the smoke filled game before fake-claiming mason-docs with him. I feel like this is intentionally replaying bits of his scumplay as a sort of a game. That on its own wouldn't clang because I think pooky just likes to play those kinds of games for the amusement of the playerlist. His push on DGB isn't going anywhere and he seems content to just leave it where it sits, a sort of edifice of work that is mostly scaffolding. There are spots in his iso where there's substance but it doesn't have the serious bite that many of his posts in the early Death Curse game did.

[fferyllt]

The thing is I'm not actually sure why Ffery has gotten me to where I am in her reads list but I also expect that getting her to elaborate even a single morsel more would be like pulling teeth. And we all know how that shit fucking goes.

It's odd that I'm getting a ton of questions and you aren't so much.

[fferyllt]

I am scumreading you, and it comes down to how you've interacted with me, your strongest scumread (I assume, anyway).

Sometimes votes and scumreads give me an opportunity I don't often get in games where I'm a very well known quantity.

Unless I have a lot of history with someone, and sometimes even then, the main value to me in being voted is in seeing what happens after that. Who follows along either with a vote or with words. Who avoids it. Who pokes at it. It can be the most useful wagon for analysis that I see that whole gameday.

well, i don't know if i would necessarily say 'strongest scumread' so much as 'person who's niggling me the most'

(and tbf this dialogue is probably doing a lot more to help me sort u then anything else that you've done this game)

can you articulate what about 'how [i've] interacted with [you]' is scummy / prompting you to scumread me?

pedit and sorry did you answer what you liked abt prism and what u didn't like about pooky?

I feel like you're asking questions of me that you have not answered yourself.

[fferyllt]

It's been a fuckton of things with Prism. I feel like I know how they are processing this game better than anyone else, that or there's a ton of stuff going on under the surface that I'm not seeing even a flicker of. and in all of that, there's been so many instances of thinking what I'm thinking. I'm reading this thread peicemeal and skipping around for context because I lost the plot initially somewhere around page 15, I think.

such as?

I said details tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

I'm not sure what you mean about low inpact vs high impact times.

Mean mostly around the Prism wagon, and the "oh you want me to read the wagon about the player who is at F-2, what a bother"

I'm rereading and am reacting a little more charitably around the interaction w/ Elements; I had filed away that he didn't really follow-up on that interaction but not true actually

Eh, I'm feeling different about it on reread; circa 1039 that's where I was at

fwiw I'm not putting a lot of effort into making sense of that back and forth yet either. If I were focusing on it, I'd have no brain cells left for the rest of what's going on.

[fferyllt]

Re Pooky my impression coming into today was that he's been mostly off-topic posting, chivvying Mod over his paranoia about being pocketed

I feel like any legitimate conversation about getting "pocketed" like 15 fucking minutes into D1 where all that conversation was happening is just fucking silly noise

15 minutes is a big exaggeration from what I recall of that timeframe. I'm not going to ignore tonal content.

[fferyllt]

I feel like you're asking questions of me that you have not answered yourself.

Yes that's fair but i feel like i've been up front as much as i can abt where i'm at (i.e. that up until this convo it was a lot of pings and that i literally could not articulate an answer), whereas i feel like you're trying to evade giving me a straight answer, and are trying to sidestep what i'm trying to get at (which if you actually interacted witu would incidentally would help me form a better read on you, which i've also said a few times now)

Like i feel like i'm actually trying to do something abt the pings now, but i cant get you to answer questions, and i cant tell if its because you dont have answers, or you're trying not to respond on purpose or if its something else

What am I not answering?

[fferyllt]

The thing is I'm not actually sure why Ffery has gotten me to where I am in her reads list but I also expect that getting her to elaborate even a single morsel more would be like pulling teeth. And we all know how that shit fucking goes.

It's odd that I'm getting a ton of questions and you aren't so much.

Is it actually, though?

Cobra Kai <3

Why do you think you're not getting questioned? Besides me getting so bombarded I can't get a word in edgewise?

Why is bork such a strong townread?

[fferyllt]

I feel like you're asking questions of me that you have not answered yourself.

Unless this was meant to be an answer to the above, but if so, you're failing to explain why this is scummy of me

Like you're making a lot or observations about my behavior, ans calling me scum, but you're not connected the two thoughts in any way as far as i can tell

My feelings about this have weakened a bit because of your explaining that it's niggle and a vote park or whatever. I expected more push and something definitive about why my play is scummy if this is a real read.

I think I need to take a breather because I'm getting in the mode of defending stuff while new data's changing how I'm thinking about it.

[fferyllt]

Re Pooky my impression coming into today was that he's been mostly off-topic posting, chivvying Mod over his paranoia about being pocketed, and occasionally declaring that DGB's scum with no reasoning and nothing for her to push back at. I've kind of humored/returned his blandishments toward me just to see if I got echoes. I didn't really. The one thing I wondered/expected was if he'd ask me again about ice cream when I didn't volunteer a favorite flavor. I feel like he's rerolling some of the things he did when pocketing Alisae in the smoke filled game before fake-claiming mason-docs with him. I feel like this is intentionally replaying bits of his scumplay as a sort of a game. That on its own wouldn't clang because I think pooky just likes to play those kinds of games for the amusement of the playerlist. His push on DGB isn't going anywhere and he seems content to just leave it where it sits, a sort of edifice of work that is mostly scaffolding. There are spots in his iso where there's substance but it doesn't have the serious bite that many of his posts in the early Death Curse game did.

which part of this is scum!indicative again?

The empty push on DGB. And it felt off that you didn't let up given Mod's obvious distress or annoyance or whatever it was. Most of the rest is me thinking about how you've interacted with me so far.

[fferyllt]

Her last miss was literally years ago.

If she's scum she worked herself into a really awkward place where she has to townread me anyways given track record so shrug.jpg free pass suck it peta.

megabucket

when a bucket transcends its game.

[fferyllt]

What did you expect me to do to DGB?

Let me ask you. What should I expect you to do to DGB?

[fferyllt]

You think scum!me aggravates town!mena on purpose?

Why would town you do it?

[fferyllt]

I only ask that ffery, if scum, does me the honor of N1-killing me herself.

Some game, some day, it could happen.

[fferyllt]

You should finish your business with syr and fuck the haters, they can stand to the side of the dance hall awkwardly sipping punch, ffery.

He's gotta show up with his dancing shoes polished, first.

[fferyllt]

I don't know what your expectations are.

I just know I posted and she ignored me and so did everyone else so I got bored and went to do something else.

I'm not going to put my foot down and insist I'm right when there are plenty of players here better than me at catching bad guys.

Who would they be?

What if they're scum?

[fferyllt]

Why would town you do it?

I didn't know I was aggravating Mena until he got super pissed off at me.

That's how I express excitement and happiness to play with someone.

Ok, I can kinda see that. But, when I got to that part of the thread on reread, it looked like there were warning signs.

[fferyllt]

if DGB is scum and nobody listened to me about her being scum then I don't think it would be my fault?

I played to enjoy games, not to play town dictator esp in games with a strong PL.

Do you feel like you've made a persuasive argument that she's scum?

[fferyllt]

Scumreading you feels like kicking a puppy. :/

[fferyllt]

The thing is I'm not actually sure why Ffery has gotten me to where I am in her reads list but I also expect that getting her to elaborate even a single morsel more would be like pulling teeth. And we all know how that shit fucking goes.

It's odd that I'm getting a ton of questions and you aren't so much.

Is it actually, though?

Cobra Kai <3

Why do you think you're not getting questioned? Besides me getting so bombarded I can't get a word in edgewise?

Why is bork such a strong townread?

[fferyllt]

Scumreading you feels like kicking a puppy. :/

I'm a lot sharper when it comes to defending myself if my role pm is actually red.

^

Noted

[fferyllt]

You've already acknowledged it. Too late to ignore it again.

[fferyllt]

Right but like, I'm explicitly acknowledging it AND refusing to state why.

Will two more quotes magically change your refusal?

[fferyllt]

I'm getting cranky again.

[fferyllt]

Also, this is the first week of Baileysmas and I reaaaally shouldn't have any. Yet another source of crankiness.

[fferyllt]

Serious question:

Should I wad up that reads list and start over?

[fferyllt]

Cabd don't leave me here sinking into a pool of self doubt.

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

Ffery ur approach to this game is honestly kinda baffling me

I have a smartass reply I usually make to posts like this.

I feel way more scattershot than usual right now. I almost always have an analytical field around my gut that does the heavy lifting. I tried to force myself to make reads yesterday and wound up feeling like my bottom section was garbage after more interaction with you and pooky.

I have issues with last night.

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

I missed this, why?

I'll answer this when Cabd gets his butt in here.

[fferyllt]

Do you like rolling scum?

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

I missed this, why?

I'll answer this when Cabd gets his butt in here.

I'm here but this still isn't happening. Even if your endorsement expires.

You've been giving me these little handclaspy signals that you're townreading me but your behavior writ large doesn't match that.

Your engagement with my readlist was pathetic. Your one comment iirc was that you expected Pooky to be higher. And he had been higher for much of the game. It was going back through his iso after rereading the first 20 or so pages that I started feeling concerns.

[fferyllt]

Do you like rolling scum?

Dunno haven't rolled it since Chara's Folly. I thought I hated it for a long time and would joke about yeeting my computer out the window if I didn't roll town. Illicit/Chara's Folly were when I realized I hated town, too. After kicking it up a notch in Chara's and finding myself enjoying it, I now suspect it's halfassing games that I hate, not any particular alignment.

This happened disproportionately as scum because I have a very bad habit of playing to the level of the table. In Scumsman, I outright thought the town was playing so terribly it was not worth me playing. Other games, like The Thaw, are more engaging.

So I can't answer whether I'd like it or not, but I suspect it'd be equal to town.

My style is pretty consistent throughout, though. The easiest way to get into my head for how I think as scum is this post:
I took simultaneous notes of what I was aiming for in my posts and why I made each one in Scumsman.

I've been kind of gut checking your play against Empire and Regfan for what are probably horrible reasons, because your inthread style doesn't match them at all even if some of the backroom thought process may be similar. I wanted to check that the existential disgust with themselves as scum isn't something I should expect to bleed into your tone here.

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

I missed this, why?

I'll answer this when Cabd gets his butt in here.

I'm here but this still isn't happening. Even if your endorsement expires.

You've been giving me these little handclaspy signals that you're townreading me but your behavior writ large doesn't match that.

Your engagement with my readlist was pathetic. Your one comment iirc was that you expected Pooky to be higher. And he had been higher for much of the game. It was going back through his iso after rereading the first 20 or so pages that I started feeling concerns.

Hmm, I figured it was pretty obvious what I was doing in regards to relations without stating as such. Maybe not.

Your "relations" apparently involve leaving me out to dry.

[fferyllt]

I woke up wanting to vote Cabd.

I missed this, why?

I'll answer this when Cabd gets his butt in here.

I'm here but this still isn't happening. Even if your endorsement expires.

VOTE: Cabd

I've not put a vote on him. Think about that.

[fferyllt]

Probably the biggest departure from Regfan is that I've picked up the pace of my play considerably, but how we get reads is probably still very similar. However, mine are categorically worse in quality.

heh. Regfan scumread me into oblivion in the first game I played with town-him. It was admittedly a horrible game for me coming out of one of the worst years of my life. Playing mafia as a distraction from disastrous real life is not necessarily a good life choice.

A later game confirmed that he at least initially scumreads my playstyle. Fortunately he was in Gentlemen Bastards and Empire talked him down.

[fferyllt]

lmfao

It blows my mind that I wasn't even aware of you in the before-times.

[fferyllt]

Re cohort, you joined it, like it or not, when you drew Assassin.

[fferyllt]

Speaking of trajectory, we just went from extra marinara to pesto sauce.

And?

[fferyllt]

cabd u know u sometimes say things that only make sense to u, right?

Sadly, that's not true. 99% of the time or so.

[fferyllt]

does it help if the cabd vote was a meme

You weirded me out with your Cabd vote coming after my post.

What are your reads?

[fferyllt]

Re cohort, you joined it, like it or not, when you drew Assassin.

it's been a pleasure

You said something about putting the whole cohort in the POE. Is that a thing you're genuinely thinking? Vibing off the smoke-filled rand? Something else?

[fferyllt]

Yeah I liked his reaction to that.

[fferyllt]

Ffery, would it help if I said I am effectively going to stick you hard null until day two and hope I get shot by your N1 to put me out of my misery?

ffs

[fferyllt]

That is a fact not in evidence atm.

[fferyllt]

setup spec rabbit hole. do not want.

[fferyllt]

Also, my vote there was literally within seconds of your post so I’m not seeing how Cabd is thinking they’re related/how you are?

You quoted our quote stack and added a Cabd vote?

[fferyllt]

That is a fact not in evidence atm.

Oh, but like, it is if you're me.

Or who would you prefer to give a guaranteed day two ticket to, if not yourself?

Spoiler: Shit only Morph deserves to read because it's that bad and I hate myself for indulging it

If it makes a day 2 ticket worth it, then yeah. Eventually my brain will kick in.

If not, then I'd give the ticket to a townread.

[fferyllt]

1415 is funny bc you just said you might endorse a cabd vote and then cabd said "this isn't happening, even without the endorsement" and then I voted him

hence funny

did the funs

You got some of that ass backwards, but ok?

[fferyllt]

Also, the reason I didn't engage with your reads wall further is a 22.5ish pound VERY unhappy toddler decided to wake up. Now I'm at work snipe-posting between actual tasks.

You can have your "interactions" tonight.

scare quotes. that's interesting. but fits, I guess.

[fferyllt]

That is a fact not in evidence atm.

Oh, but like, it is if you're me.

Or who would you prefer to give a guaranteed day two ticket to, if not yourself?

Spoiler: Shit only Morph deserves to read because it's that bad and I hate myself for indulging it

If it makes a day 2 ticket worth it, then yeah. Eventually my brain will kick in.

If not, then I'd give the ticket to a townread.

But like, who is that rn? You want me to ticket myself and prism?

For me, yep.

Prism's not at the top of your pile.

[fferyllt]

Prism's not at the top of your pile.

Which is something I'd like to discuss.

[fferyllt]

Every time I think I'm getting a grasp on this game weird stuff happens.

[fferyllt]

I am officially jealous

Pooky can i interest

you

, my fav anthropomorphic teddy bear on site, in this hip new ffery wagon?

I want to see if Fiery will change her mind on Cabd first

Only in my dreamstate, probs. I hate my life when I read some of his posts.

[fferyllt]

Peta what is your prism read?