Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[Noraa]

You think gamma is scum correct?

[Noraa]

Today has been something like this:
gamma susses panzer
blitz susses gamma
panzer susses blitz
noraa susses blitz

[Noraa]

@Noraa

IM SORRY I KILLED YOU

[Noraa]

Sorry peoples for changing my avatar. be bamboozled for a bit.

[Noraa]

if anyone wants clarification on my fishing trip I can explain again

or if there are any specific questions that's probably better unless someone is online rn

I do want an explanation on the vote on me bc I have not understood it.

[Noraa]

my play here and mafiasunny are so fucking different you don't even know. Literally I was a damn try hard there that pocketed everyone like I was gonna die if I didnt. My play here has been bullshit which I understand gamma, you thought my play was bullshit in mafiasunny but the only reason for that is that you were conftown so you knew I was confscum bc of ur role pm. I ultimately won that round because people believed I was more towny than you. That in itself says something. You cannot just say my play there was a hot mess and my play here is a hot mess so I am scum here bc the ONLY reason you thought my play that game was a hot mess was bc I threw lots of shade at you and you knew I was confscum.

[Noraa]

My play that game was not a hot mess otherwise I wouldn't have won. I won bc they found me MORE towny than you in limlo. That means my play was not indeed a hot mess. I had some trouble distancing with my partners which got me in some hot water early on in that game. I have distanced from no one here. I am getting SRed here for not solving.

[Noraa]

But in that scum game I literally won for being the only person there that was actively "trying to solve"

[Noraa]

Do you not see a problem in your argument?

[Noraa]

And also I killed duppin because I was afraid he would connect the dots. This is so far fetched I don't even know what to say. You really think my whole two scum buddies would be like oh yes yes you are clearly the most important scum out of us three so we're going to kill off everyone that might sus u? no wtf. today would be bus day.

[Noraa]

*connect the dots?

[Noraa]

I think its best we don't force me to claim today for certain reasons but ig that's not in my control atm.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE: yuck

Noraa your wordvomit after you called me out for baiting you sounds a lot more like you caught yourself than me.

these two posts are back to back yet tell me two vastly different things

[Noraa]

Bulge has zero votes. that wagons basically impossible and either way I haven't heard a single case on Bulge that's actually been good :/

[Noraa]

My wagon was started by Shea and I agree it's very possible that it was pushed by scum.

[Noraa]

I still somewhat believe shea is scum tho his immediate drop of my SR bc there were sus people on my wagon slightly changes that view. Scum!shea would just say those were my scum buddies bussing me most likely. Not too sure what to think about all that.

[Noraa]

I still scum read you. Once again I can SR multiple people. And think about how those scum reads interact.

I have not voted you once today so calling me the person who started your wagon is hilariously wrong.

no you definitely started the wagon yesterday. If I remember correctly you were the first to tunnel me and vote me as well?

[Noraa]

I wish I hadn't said 1990. It was frustration with you and I don't really believe its true. But there have been multiple points made against the bulge. I made several of them myself, so either you're unaware of them or you're just dismissing them out of hand without even saying what you think is wrong with them.

That is really frustrating.

I am not aware.. You basically just said his progression on me was weird starting with the nk analysis except for ur the one that started the analyzing of the nk anyways :/

[Noraa]

Plus do you think this game is fun with you just tunneling me? you literally tunnel me for doing things like not listening, not having good reads, etc.
U just SR me for big time noobtells and think ur case is good. Thats not exactly fun.

[Noraa]

You hyper focus on me. I think its tunneling.

[Noraa]

How does this:

So it seems like Noraa deliberately is altering her play between games to become hard to read or something.

come out of this:

Alright I'm all caught up. funnily enough

I have no literal idea what my plan is this game.

Only now do I realize having a bunch of games sucks cuz then I got multiple different mindsets going. Anyways question: are there prs this game? If no then it doesn't particularly matter who we kill ... right?

[Noraa]

Noraa entered multiple day phases in MafiaSunny with a pre-scripted wall post pushing her narrative. While there was no wall starting out D2 from Noraa, she did immediately post something trying to suggest the kill wasn't one she would have done, which does speak to that same concern over the narrative that I saw from scum!Noraa before. Again, similarities within differences.

"she does this as scum in one game. she didn't do this this game but she's still scum"

[Noraa]

"multiple different mindsets" = scum mindset in scum games and town mindsets in town games

[Noraa]

your paranoia could be perceived as towny but I could also see it as scum!gamma trying to push my wagon thru today.
I am currently taking it as you being towny though I think something that plays in is your emotions during limlo since you knew scum!me was tunneling you but people would likely still listen to me.

[Noraa]

was your mindfulness of having to put forward your ideas early.

so basically once the day starts, I'm required to wait two days to post otherwise I am scum. wtf. no.
your first post put ur ideas forward I'm sure. why's that AI for me?

[Noraa]

your paranoia could be perceived as towny but I could also see it as scum!gamma trying to push my wagon thru today.
I am currently taking it as you being towny though I think something that plays in is your emotions during limlo since you knew scum!me was tunneling you but people would likely still listen to me.

you were angry about it. I understand the anger from mafiasunny since you knew it was SvT where you were town but no one was listening to you. However, you should not be using that game currently considering you are still upset about that game to some extent and the arguments you make will be more emotionally fueled.

[Noraa]

I would definitely like to resolve your slot today, but I'm not deadset for it, I just think it's the best play atm
I am open to OWER or bulge but I won't vote those until I work through all the things I intend to rn

what's up with all this fencesitting. u say ur not deadset but then ur votes on me even tho apparently both outworld and Panzer have been more sus?

[Noraa]

it goes back and forth 2 times in one sentence. that's not fence sitting?

[Noraa]

Well I don't see another reason for why duppin was the kill?
dude didn't talk much and basically only talked about me.
he didn't crumb or soft pr cuz he's literally a vanilla town.

[Noraa]

he also wasn't the towniest person
he wasn't a town leader type of person either

[Noraa]

Honestly speaking, my only reason to believe what I believe about duppin nk is my role pm. For anyone else, this argument doesn't particularly apply so there's not a point in speculating the kill anymore.

[Noraa]

These unvotes are really interesting. Not sure if I will be able to read into them fairly but I'll try to later. Gamma I'm not engaging that case anymore. It's 100% meta based. Even if there were similarities, that'd be normal considering no matter what my role pm says, I am still myself. You haven't looked at my town games. You have only looked at one singular scum game that you lost in. I think that results in a very biased read that is also a terribly small sample size. If you want to use my meta to attack me, you should look at all my games or at the very very minimum, one town game and one scum game. Then you can talk. Otherwise especially with my being a new player and an unstable playstyle, you cannot prove anything.

[Noraa]

*and having an unstable playstyle

[Noraa]

If you hadn't taken a long break from ms, I would call you scum for the above post.

normally mini's have 3 scums. I dont think I've seen one that only has two ever before.

[Noraa]

Incorrect. It's bc I just won a scum game where I forced a townslip saying there were 2 scum when I very well knew there were 3

[Noraa]

Read it wrong cuz I thought u said ONE of {} and ONE of {}

[Noraa]

I were scum buddies bc those role pms always say something like you are scum with blah

that wasn't even a townslip but ok?

[Noraa]

Oh. U've said too much about me being scum that I basically take everything you say like that at this point but yeah ur right that's what was implied
But anyways, I doubt that small a thing would be even close to enough to make your SR flip to a TR so eh

[Noraa]

I did not..?

[Noraa]

I dont purposefully townslip when I'm town :/
plus that wasn't even a townslip anyways so I dont understand how any of this applies

[Noraa]

noraa did you town slip or not?

you can tell us we are friends :3

I sincerely dont think so but idk.

[Noraa]

But you just said it was a townslip when you thought I was suggesting it made you town.

I didn't ...

[Noraa]

How the fuck is it my case made everyone develop cold fucking feet on voting out Noraa?

ur giving ur case too much credit. it wasn't ur case.

[Noraa]

Imma get shade for pointing something out but if the limpool is {Outworld, me, gamma} and Outworld's soft is real, god this town is fucked. Ik I shouldn't point out people softing pr but honestly if town!me fucking noticed you bet the scums did. If outworlds soft is real, that means this pool has two prs and most likely a goon/vt gamma. Considering that two of the most scummy people that town are zoning in on are prs, I'm inclined to say its the towny looking ones that are scums here. Outworlds statement, "I'd rather just die tbh even though I should probably give more of a shit considering my role" I resonate greatly with and considering I feel the exact same this game, I find it very genuine. Outworld's reasons are ... weak but that one sentence really struck me as genuine and so I'm willing to believe he is a pr at least for now. Rather than forcing him to claim, I'd much prefer putting more pressure on gamma. My only problem there is that gamma reading that hard into the similarities, tho I dont agree, strikes me as towny. The paranoia/frustration and reading hard into it is strange but I somewhat believe he believes in it.

[Noraa]

I've considered replacing out but ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

I don't think you can say this.

I actually said something similar a while back. interesting that u didn't call me out for it but I think ur allowed to say that but not like reasons for why ur replacing out to prevent people from discussing and stuff? Not too sure how that all works tho tbh.

[Noraa]

I softed to put off the pressure bc claiming today is disastrous. dying yesterday would've been not as bad cuz I didn't have any night results but I have to check something tonight and if I claim, everyone will know what I am doing tonight.

Just to clarify I'm not a vig so I can't do anything earthshattering like kill someone. My role is not terribly important like I said day 1 but it can definitely do some things. Wait one more day and I claim my role bc tomorrow I have to claim to explain my results anyways.

[Noraa]

In case I die tonight, last night I targeted shea. That'll help town figure some stuff out in case I die tonight.

tonight's action I'm not revealing but it should be greatly beneficial to town if everything goes the way I think it will.

[Noraa]

I crumbed(idk if this is the right term to use) a lot.

[Noraa]

maybe it was just softing tho. idk if it counts as crumbing

[Noraa]

My role is not terribly important like I said day 1 but it can definitely do some things.

Why’d you feel the need to bring this up again?

I want an explicit answer to this jsyk

I refuse to answer bc I don't want to go into any more detail regarding my softing.

[Noraa]

I on the other hand do not believe all three of us are prs. either gamma is a scum in a neighborhood or Outworld is lying.

[Noraa]

neighborhood I believe.

[Noraa]

I said I believed there were two prs in {gamma, noraa, outworld}
my followup after I hear ur claim is that "I on the other hand do not believe all three of us are prs. either gamma is a scum in a neighborhood or Outworld is lying."

[Noraa]

While speaking on that I mentioned I recalled Noraa dropping he hint of not being a very important role D1. Li and behold Noraa suddenly remembers to speak on that not 3 minutes later. I’m super concerned Blitzo dropped a line to his buddy Noraa to handle that concern, and her, being new, didn’t really have a grasp on how to do that without drawing the attention of the one who had the best window into that connection.

this is a pretty big coincidence. I have no choice but to believe it bc lying about something like this would be deadly if Blitz called you out for it. My being inexperienced = I'm stupid as scum? Sorry but if I was scum with Blitz like you claim I am, I would've just been like I hard claim town 3 shot vig or some bullshit like that. If someone pointed out I said my role wasn't important, I just say that was me hiding behind my claim.

[Noraa]

It's "on the other hand" that most sets me off in that sentence. It feels like you were trying to suggest I

wasn't

thinking that when I clearly fucking am.

it was a damn followup to a post I made. can you stop being so paranoid if you're town?

[Noraa]

You can't just drop contradictory softs and expect it to not get noticed. My proposed mason claim gambit Blitzo mentioned earlier was actually intended to see who would call out the inconsistencies versus merely accepting the claim. And I feel like there might have been some hasty communication that caused that slip to go unaddressed before you posted it.

I'm figuring Blitzo posted something like "wait didn't you say your role wasn't important D1?" and you decided to quickly address it but since Blitzo failed to convey the fact that I had caught onto it, your quick noting of that problem after I'd spoken of it in a private channel became a red flag I was able to home in on.

My softs are not contradictory.

So you jump from Panzer to me to now Blitz. Whats ur solve gamma? is it panzer/noraa/blitz?
what a joke.

You are like "yeah huh the facts don't line up but if you read hard into it, I'm always right"
wtf.

[Noraa]

you're pushing me for jumping to conclusions

so you admit all ur case was basically garbage then?

[Noraa]

Well what I would say is I believe this neighborhood is real. The possibility of two scums doing this to bus one and make one basically conftown afterwards is there but not likely.
If blitz flips red, I would be inclined to believe gamma is green bc this 1)doesn't feel like scum theatre and 2)is highly unlikely scum theatre anyways
If blitz flips green, I wouldn't know what to think
I don't particularly think this neighborhood is a great place to lim today bc I have a feeling both are going to be claiming prs and I'm not really sure if its easy to tell which one is scum if any. both being scum is only possible if the neighborhood is a lie cuz there aint no point having two scum in a neighborhood. I believe the neighborhood so at most 1 is scum. Both have had quite some SRs. I personally don't think gamma is townier than blitz so I doubt I'd join the blitz wagon over the gamma wagon if I had to choose. Blitz rarely interacts with me tho so I don't take that much notice of them.

[Noraa]

both being town is also possible but town outing 4 prs(I'm forcing myself to believe all of them for now) day 2 is just disappointing and sad.

[Noraa]

Out of Gamma, Blitz, and Outworld, I'd say there is one scum. Two scums doesn't seem that likely. I think there's either 1 or 0. Im leaning one rn but do not have enough to go off of to determine how many.

[Noraa]

*to determine which one

[Noraa]

I thought UG was sus for hyper focusing on me at one point in time.
I haven't really been able to solve the panzer slot

[Noraa]

Guesser barely talks. I'm not sure how to read into someone that is basically lurking.

[Noraa]

You not even gonna explain what the "tone shift" was?

[Noraa]

VOTE: Shea

Im still here

[Noraa]

My night action did not tell me you were scum.

[Noraa]

My night action told me you were most likely not scum however I am pushing here today bc of other reasons and I will be targeting I don't think it hurts to say but I'm not targeting you tonight bc I have an different person in mind.

[Noraa]

I ain't compromising on this y'all. If we don't at the very least get a full claim our of noraa today we are being negligent.

someone said earlier that he was on outworlder and changed wagons hella fast.

[Noraa]

it doesn't mean ur town tho.

[Noraa]

I dont have a 100% confirmed result so I can 100% sus you.

[Noraa]

Your night action was killing duppin, so that much I believe.

I don't think scum has multitasking since I didn't see that in the OP and the norm is no multitasking. My night action was not killing duppin. you would know cuz one of your buddies killed him.

[Noraa]

VOTE: gamma

most plausible scum wagon that'll go thru today is this one imo.

[Noraa]

Shea isnt gonna go thru and my night result semi semi clears him anyways

[Noraa]

Ftr I still think Shea is likely scum but either way, that wagon won't go thru considering he's heavily TRed.

[Noraa]

he is not 100% cleared so its absolutely fine for me to sus him

[Noraa]

I mean everyone else is just full on lurker so I don't really get a chance to interact but I knew my night action results when I sussed him so eh

[Noraa]

I don't fucking TR anyone. Literally everyone's scummy asf and I don't even know who the hell is town. The only ones that aren't scummy literally never talk and thats literally prolly the only reason why I don't SR them-bc they aren't ever here anyways.

My best bet at TRs is all the softs that recently happened. I believe one is a lie and I think gamma's is the lie.
My TRs solely based on softs would be blitz and outworld.

It doesn't really matter tho cuz tonight I'll likely be able to find one scum solidly and that's enough to progress game state even if we mislim today. I'm saying this cuz I have confidence scum won't kill me even if I claim I can find one tonight. They only know I am town. Besides that, there is no way they can tell if I can truly find one of them tonight. If they have a RBer, I might be a bit screwed but hopefully they don't cuz if they don't, I'll have a confscum or very very close to confscum person by tmrw.

[Noraa]

If we flip me today, take a hot look at shea and gamma tomorrow. that's all I request.

[Noraa]

Town literally never says shit like this.

I just became an SE a few days ago and I've seen town say things like this. Even outside of myself, I've seen it before I'm pretty sure.

[Noraa]

meh I argue its not bad. this game, I went a bit haywire but either way my town win rate is 100%

[Noraa]

I've painted a giant red target on myself for scum but so? they could think I'm baiting them and who knows maybe I am baiting them. I'm not exactly a predictable player anyways so scum doesn't know what I'm doing rn or tonight.

[Noraa]

No, if this is your town game it is very very very bad.

I told you this one went haywire but my normal isnt bad imo.

[Noraa]

I don't wish to claim today because tomorrow my claim will be more useful. Even if I die tonight that's better bc it'll be clear what I did last night and town can prolly guess what I did tonight as well based off of it

[Noraa]

mafia that are neighbors with each other?

they would be lying about the neighborhood in this case

[Noraa]

Pooky I think the neighborhood is real and have said that for the longest time now.

[Noraa]

this is annoying. very annoying. y'all actually suck ass(I'm joking ok?) but anyways here's how it goes:

I am not the hot shot pr that I'm softing. I've been softing tracker for a very long time and honestly don't get how you chucklefucks(ahem term stolen from UT) didn't realize that I was literally so clearly softing tracker. Y'all r -10000 braincells for that imo(another joke in case some of u assho-jkjk).

Regardless, I am still a pr but my first statement is much more accurate ;(
Im the weakest fucking pr I ever saw. Legit I might as well be a literal vt. there's basically no difference.
So I don't even know why this pr exists ngl. its literally the biggest ripoff version of ... idk tracker that I've ever seen in my whole ms career.
Before I say what I am, I want to say that considering my pr is this weak, it either means that the scum team is really weak so town only has weak ass prs OR it means town has a lot a lot of mediocre/trash prs.

So I was softing tracker to eat the nightkill tonight or eat a role block.

My role is town CHECKER. This just means I can "check" one person per night and all this "check" action does is tell me if the action went thru or not. That basically means that it will only fail if I am role blocked or my target is ascetic. I was hoping I could eat a nk which would be really good cuz 1)I'm highly SRed so I'm likely gonna die soon anyways and 2)that means more powerful prs will be safe for one more night. The other possibility was to eat a roleblock. This is really good as well bc that means I can confirm the scums have a role blocker which is CRUCIAL setup info for us and could absolutely motivate town more knowing the scums have a really powerful role.

Now that I've revealed my plan, its a toss up for scums. Im not sure how town reacts to this claim but if I become conftown due to it, scums have a toss up of do we want to kill a really weak conftown pr over everyone else? Cuz even if I'm conftown, honestly my role does basically nothing so its not a big threat to scums. If town continues to SR me after this claim, I tried to fix the damage I did early in the game but it didn't work and town eliminated me so that scums didn't even need to worry about me. I'm hoping the first case happens where it will put scums in a difficult position but I can't control that so I will just hope the first happens.

For those that think this claim is fake, there's a few things you absolutely need to consider. Where the fuck would I even hear of a role like this? Like you are talking to someone that never reads setup shit and doesn't even know if the game is normal or not half the time. Where in the world would I hear about some damn weird ass role called town checker?
If its a common role then I sound stupid here but I have hands down never seen or hear of anything similar(or more useless)

All I can do is confirm if there is a roleblocker in the game basically. I don't think ascetic roles exist in this setup(correct me if I'm wrong) but I would be able to detect those as well prolly.

My claim that I targeted shea is correct. I did indeed target shea last night and all mod told me was that my action went thru. Does this clear shea? no...

As I said it semi semi semi clears him bc it means that if he was a mafia role blocker, he didn't block me last night. And that's really not that close to a clear cuz there's lots of ways he could be scum but I wouldn't be able to tell

[Noraa]

There u go, u absolute chucklefucks
T^T mod don't mod kill me I'm jokingggg

[Noraa]

I want to hear shea and pooky comment on my claim asap

[Noraa]

If I'm conftown for that claim, awesomeeeeee

[Noraa]

I love being conftown.
being conftown = u can be scummy af and no one can do nothin

[Noraa]

Still voting noraa.

party pooper.

Also lol Noraas reaction of "SOOOO I'm conftown????" off a role that literally can be scum.

(and is probably more powerful as a scum role also)

well I mean I didn't exactly visit the wiki for this one so I didn't know it was a role that could be either alignment nor did I really even consider that a possibility when I claimed. I ... did overlook some stuff ngl.

[Noraa]

If you seriously believe I would spare that time and effort to go look up a damn role in the wiki, you have not met me. I'd die before scrolling thru that list of ten billion prs.

[Noraa]

I'm considering myself conftown

[Noraa]

no. it tells me in the role pm what it does

[Noraa]

why would I need to visit the wiki? it literally prolly says the exact same thing but like ten times longer.

[Noraa]

plus my role pm is pretty self explanatory. It basically reads "RIP OFF TRACKER"

[Noraa]

But I'd still prefer noraa today.

and you say you dont tunnel. how lame -______-

[Noraa]

I'm pretty sure I want both of them eliminated either way.

you just unvoted me and you say this. VOTE: Blitz

[Noraa]

Oh
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

You are absolutely tunneling imo

[Noraa]

I dont think its "toxic" to point out that I think you are tunneled

[Noraa]

No I jump voted bc I thought blitz's statement directly contradicted something he said just like two posts ago.

[Noraa]

@mod vla until Saturday

[Noraa]

1 thing to say
there has almost always been 0 resistance to my wagon
ik that's somewhat useless when said by me but nonetheless, its a valid point
lim me today and look at some of these garbo votes on my wagon. Take a look at some of these bullshit progressions on me
I don't see a point telling you who my SRs are cuz really this game has just stalled and stalled and I don't even know who they are anymore
anyways I'm vla but I'll prob be keeping up with the thread. Only ask me questions if you think they are crucial and otherwise, don't expect an answer

[Noraa]

thanks mod for hosting!

[Noraa]

Congrats to the scum team. y'all were big brain

[Noraa]

the worst, a Mafia Ascetic, survives and wins the game!
Kasumeat, a Mafia Bulletproof Traitor, survives and wins the game!
the worst, a Mafia Ascetic, survives and wins the game!

Mafia had two worsties O_O

[Noraa]

Glad I died day 2, honestly. The way this played out would've made me angry.

[Noraa]

I had a post ready saying that Kazu was scummy for some post that day and Umlaut locked thread during the time it took me to write it :/

[Noraa]

like bruh if by some slim unlikely chance you're town this game I want you to take a long hard look at your town game because it is uhhhh not good.

No, if this is your town game it is very very very bad.

I'll talk to you OOG after this game is over if you want if you're town. Don't ever mistake winrate for playskill.

[Noraa]

I stand by both of those statements 100%. You did not play well.

you promised me to give feedback post game was my point.

[Noraa]

It was a low powered game on both sides, it's how I ran my mini normal and I think it's more interesting, especially these days when town power is so high

no one wants you here.

aw dont be like that. perhaps its a bit unfair but I'm sure there is a way to read him

[Noraa]

Sure I'll write something up for you maybe tomorrow. I'm not in a good head space for it right now.

ok thank you <3

[Noraa]

I will say that you lied which I used to think was a bad idea for town to do in like 99% of situations, but I'm starting to think that it's a bad idea to do 100% of the time. Not only are town very likely to mislim you but it's nearly impossible to read the alignment of somebody pushing what is essentially a policy yeet on the liar.

Also, this is a personal thing, but I found that the sheer volume of posts that you made made it hard to follow the game which is +EV for scum.

It was scummy play to soft tracker, I agree but at the time that was my best choice(imo)
like because sometimes sorting pr is enough to make people back off and if I ate a nk, that would've been p bomb.
the spamminess .... what can I say :/
it ... doesn't go away

[Noraa]

ouch that scum pt. phewwwww. this game was a once in a lifetime experience where the scums didn't really even have to try :/

[Noraa]

pfft they thought I was the traitor

[Noraa]

I mean y'all won with zero casualties :/

[Noraa]

which is p good O_O

[Noraa]

it was not for lack of trying ~,~;;

imagine how kasu felt when he found out we tried to murder him ^_^

Umlaut knew this would happen so he made Kazu bulletproof. not even one shot. not two shot. infinitely bulletproof.