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[Redados]

Hello fellow scum! I am also scum. What will our scumplan be in this game?

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Oops sorry y’all I meant to post that in the scum PT. carry on

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VOTE: ShellyC

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Hello everyone

VOTE: Redados
For obvious reasons.

How DARE you

Hello fellow scum! I am also scum. What will our scumplan be in this game?

your intro is LAMIST
VOTE: Redados

Pretty sure this is the opposite of LAMIST buddy

*LAMISS

[Redados]

You probably won't get the returns you want from this. In a game of social deception, even the townies have motivations to be insincere.

^^I'm going to second this.

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Odd Day Jester are you an alt?

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my typical playstyle is scumreading Shelly

[Redados]

my typical playstyle is scumreading Shelly

lmaoooo that's kinda mean(starting each game with a bias against her) but tbh it does seem she has a knack for landing scumroles

I've completed three games with Shelly. She has been scum twice and the other time I led her lim on day one for good measure

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Also fyi the moment I saw ur first post, I just thought of when I got my first role pm and my reply was "I'm confused"

What's your reply this time?

Also, I would appreciate if you could limit your emojis to 1 per post. These things don't come cheap for server costs.

here is noraa's favorite emoji:

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I dont have much motivation to reply to your post @shelly bc it's just completely wrong. My slight suspicions on Redados are completely justified bc his opening definitely could be slightly AI.
You're seriously gonna tell me to "share reads" like 2 pages into the game?
fence sitting? 2 pages into the game you expect me to have a solid read?
I literally just replied to redados' post and said you landed a lot of scumroles. Thats a fact not an opinion so I dont see what's wrong there.
Shelly if ur town, the things ur using to SR me are weak as hell and maybe you should try to actually scumhunt instead of pick at me for no good reason.
if ur scum, then ur just setting me up as limbait after what's his face started sussing me(sorry I seriously dont remember the name and am too lazy to go back and check)

What Shelly is doing is pro-town cause she's moving the game out of RVS finally. I'm glad she did it.
VOTE: UNVOTE

[Redados]

What Shelly is doing is pro-town cause she's moving the game out of RVS finally. I'm glad she did it.

yay redados finally comes back to town!me

don't worry I will sus you on a dime and if ur scum then you need to NK me a$ap

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MinisculeGigabyte, what do you think of Noraa's play so far?

Noraa is very active which is a good thing but I don’t think they have as much game advancing content as 72 does they are more just posting I haven’t really seen anything that says Noraa is any alignment tbh but with Jackson trying to defend them using other games is a red flag to me

In Doggos 2027 hosted by JacksonVirgo, Noraa was scum and was very active.

[Redados]

So far you're all doing great

we are not.

please tell me i havent played mafia wrong for my whole MS tenure

you havent played mafia wrong for your whole MS tenure *crosses fingers*

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I'm scumreading Saudade.

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I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

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I'm also feeling scummy on Noraa and Shelly but can acknowledge to myself that it probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with playstyle.

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no read on jester, slight TR on JacksonVirgo. i still don't know what LFH stands for I have looked it up like four times

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I'm scumreading Saudade.

saude plays like this as town; very distinct tbh

noted.

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I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

did you read

there was a SR on noraa TR on dippin and many ops and reactions to jackson / jester vs me

I read. Still the weirdest I've felt on p10, lots of flips and lots of theater from jester.

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I'm not sure who to blame. I will have to reread.

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how do you think about jesters 180 on me because theres something wrong with it but i cannot point it out

it's fine. I'm not sure if I agree but I've also played like three games with you so I think meta plays into that. I follow the logic.

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Jester seems to be in need of being the center of attention so you can expect a lot of theater from him going forward

yessir

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Jester seems to be in need of being the center of attention so you can expect a lot of theater from him going forward

yessir

it's a light tr but I don't feel any hesitation in his posts, like he's posting extemporaneously which gets a TR from me

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TOWN:
bugspray
shellyc
MiniMegabyte

TBD:
Everyone else

SCUM:
Odd Day Jester

VOTE: Odd Day Jester

self-voting on page eight is anti-town. or it is in a vacuum, I'm not sure if it in this context

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redados are you just going to soft townlean everyone

yes, JV.

Active is
ShellyC
Noraa,
Jester,
Saudade,
JV

Everyone else hasn't posted in like ten pages (which in fairness spans about 40 minutes lol)

[Redados]

Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

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also y'all I try my best with pronouns, feel free to correct me if I get any wrong

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I wouldn't say Saudade is a common TR here.

Oh? I thought a lot of people were TRing them

it was just shelly

[Redados]

hmmmm what is "scum due to playstyle"?

I have a sneaking suspicion that I will scumread you regardless of your alignment because of your aggressive playstyle.

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Jester seems to be in need of being the center of attention so you can expect a lot of theater from him going forward

yessir

it's a light tr but I don't feel any hesitation in his posts, like he's posting extemporaneously which gets a TR from me

I hit quote on the wrong post. I meant to respond to your question in post 379 here, which was asking about JacksonVirgo. My words here were describing JV, not Jester. good catch!

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is it the "many TR = scum" by me affecting your read positions?

no

[Redados]

pedit: explain noraa then

Her playstyle and her attitude often irks me and colors my view on her alignment in a scummy way when maybe it shouldn't. I am scumreading her right now but I totally admit that it may be due to her playstyle and not her alignment.

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also there are sooo many posts flying back and forth. if I miss a question from anyone, feel free to bring it to my attention again.

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I'm not really sure how to respond to Noraa here. I definitely didn't mean to make you upset, I'm sorry

[Redados]

I'm not really sure how to respond to Noraa here. I definitely didn't mean to make you upset, I'm sorry

ig it never bothers u until it happens to u. never bothered me much when u did it to shelly. she handled it like a champ. however im a whiny potato so that sucks for u.

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Ok but it actually ticks me off so Jackson and Saudade lets not turn it into a joke. I can make another paragraph that you guys can use as a joke.

that's... not how copypastas work lol

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where did all these pages come from haha?

Personally I'd like if the players pushing meta stuff the hardest can site some sources. Im not gonna fact check that stuff alone.

Correct me if im wrong (I skimmed) but: (Shelly, Jackson, Jester, Redodoas, Noraa) all have meta on eachother, and some of it is offsite?

I played Newbies 2019, 2025, and 2027 with Shelly. 2027 was hosted by JacksonVirgo. Noraa was also in 2027. Noraa and ShellyC were scum in 2027.

[Redados]

Do they always play kinda like lynchbait?

yes, redados can back that up, referencing newbie 2019

backing that up

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I'm scumreading Saudade.

Could you elaborate on this?

when I posted this they had been active without doing too much pushing, mostly had just observed up to this point

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I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

trying to do more of a stream of consciousness for this game just because of the sheer number of pages, I am not being very careful especially

[Redados]

Holy spam batman! This will be an interesting one...

How DARE you

Have you been scum before?

nope!

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I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

i have to admit that i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious

trying to do more of a stream of consciousness for this game just because of the sheer number of pages, I am not being very careful especially

hm I could probably buy that. When you've caught up please let me know who you find suspicious

I've caught up, but I've read everything exactly once. I plan on keeping it that way, because of the sheer number of pages. When we get to something more consequential, like a lim, or if someone asks me to expand on a read, I will ISO dive or reread. But because we're 20 pages past less than 24 hours in, I can't do as much re-reading as I have done in my nine player games.

[Redados]

but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some names

not sure yet beyond what I've already said.

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but surely you find some people more suspicious than others? I am not asking for detailed reads at least not yet, just some names

not sure yet beyond what I've already said.

I see, but could you explain what you are waiting for at the moment then? you don't seem to be pushing in any direction and you seem to be fine with everything that is going on which surprises me given the fact that you were very vocal about not liking the current game state earlier

I'm waiting to see some real wagons and how people react to them as opposed to these reaction-test wagons.

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I'm waiting to see some real wagons and how people react to them as opposed to these reaction-test wagons.

shelly and Saudade's wagon both seem plenty real to me - composing of people who actually think they're sus. Why do you think they're reaction tests, Charizard?

I think they're reaction tests because a) everyone is going to find Shelly sus because she is super sus in general (meta) and b) it's not a real wagon, it's the first day of day one

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I've only played in nine person games. Anyone have a short list of tips/differences on bigger games vs those initial newbie games?

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VOTE: Noraa

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not funny and not helpful!

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not funny and not helpful!

ooo is this post here that u posted helpful or funny?

I should have included it in post 767. thought it was implied but it wasn't so I added it

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I think I'm just being sensitive and emotional but initially reading post #766 is the angriest I've felt since joining this site.

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That's NOT what I said. I said that I was scumreading you, but I acknowledged that I may be just scumreading you because of your playstyle. That's the opposite of what you're saying. It's giving you the benefit of the doubt based on how you play.

[Redados]

Thanks Jester. I appreciate it.

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Redados why did you vote Noraa?

was very frustrated at her and felt like my vote was the most powerful way I could show my anger

now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

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now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

Do you think they are scum?

yes, I think that she is scum. she feigns/uses her newness and appeal to emotion, and she's able to use confusion to do anti-town stuff. I think that she's scum.

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lmaoooooooo top quality reasons right there
so tell me where tf did I use a newbie card in this game? Where's the AtE? Where's the confusion that I single handedly stirred up?
the answer I already know
its one word: nowhere

I'm not saying that you've pulled a newb card, I'm saying that you're playing like a new player. You propagated the thread spamming. You continue to misconstrue my (positive) meta read on you after I've explained it multiple times. You have AtE both with my scum reading you and with the copypasta.

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"positive" No you know very well that all you do is say Noraa is scum bc u dont like my playstyle. In other words you have no reason to SR me bc there is no AtE

Do I need to explain this again??

I'm also feeling scummy on Noraa and Shelly but can acknowledge to myself that it probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with playstyle.

I say here that I feel like you are scummy, but that probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with your playstyle. I then abbreviate that here:

Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

Looking over this post^ I can see why you would have taken that the wrong way. That's fine. What I don't get is how every time I explain it you are not understanding.

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that's fair and I respect your opinion.

[Redados]

Hey guys, just giving you all a heads up that im subbing out.

Really sorry, coming back to this forum was probably a mistake. I thought I could keep up, but it doesn't appear that I can. Good luck to the rest of you.

yeah this game is a lot of pages already

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Hey y’all, I’m still here and planning to do a catch up tomorrow cause it looks like I’ve missed a lot. Don’t have time today. I will reread the whole game.

UNVOTE:

[Redados]

I'm caught up. I stand by wanting to do stream of consciousness posting for this game, so my notes are below.

Spoiler:

Post #34 - this is a fluff post by Noraa. Says nothing and takes up space, she’s just talking to talk.

Still goofing around on page three/four:
JacksonVirgo, ShellyC, MiniMegabyte, bugspray, Odd Day Jester

Post #104 - saying your RVS votes don’t last makes them have less effect.

Page 5, post #104 - bugspray declares us OUT of RVS. I will be taking notes on who keeps doing stupid things after this. It’s 8:23 PM CST.
-post 116 - redados - is stupid, god damnit me

Post 143 - Noraa’s post is unhelpful and anti-town.

Post 147 - “I think you’re scum end of convo” - I HATE this

Impression at #154 - my posts suck and I totally understand why I’m at E-2.

Post 167 - Noraa - unhelpful. You’re going to jump down someone’s throat for calling someone limbait? Unhelpful.

Post 185 - Odd Day Jester - I’m town-reading Odd Day Jester

Post 187 - ShellyC - “I don't think anyone's entrance is particularly bad except noraa's” - you missed mine, buddy

Post 195 - Odd Day Jester - that was funny lol

Post 231 - ShellyC voting Duppin - hard disagree, Duppin was right, also it was page two totally logical

Post 275 - Morning Tweet - excellent bat fact B)

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Post 296 - ShellyC - OddDayJester voting for her concerns her - get over yourself Shelly!

Post 351 - Odd Day Jester - Meta is Garbage is Garbage - EXCELLENT post by Odd Day Jester

I like my posts on pages sixteen and seventeen. That was an honest peek into my game. I think my initial opening was unhelpful, I left for a couple of hours and came back and gave my thoughts. I’m happy with them.

JacksonVirgo not liking readslists in post #416 is pro-town imo.

Saudade leading the copypasta charge on page 19 is anti-town, it clogged up the thread and made Noraa feel bad. On the other hand, it was funny. I can let some anti-town stuff slide if it’s funny.

Why does Grendel always misspell usernames lol

Post 543 - Jackson vs Shelly could most definitely be scum theater. I would NOT put it past Shelly to do scum theater

Post 595- asked me to elaborate on scumread on Saudade. It was just an initial read buddy, although I think I explain this later

Shelly plays in an anti-town way as both town and scum, I want to lim her.

Post 622 - you say that you’ll sort me later because you have experience with me - is this really helpful? I have only town games, and I played them all pretty differently so I’m very excited to see how you sort me.

Post 620 - ShellyC - this quotewall on me is trash mostly because I was doing a stream-of-consciousness thing. If you look at stuff individually it might look odd because they are my organic thoughts, but as a whole you’re getting raw unfiltered me.

Page 26 Duppin vs Saudade interaction - this wasn’t a nasty interaction or anything but I don’t see these two as scum together. I don’t see this conversation happening as scum vs scum.

Post 644 - UNOwen asks me if I’ve been scum before. I have not been scum before. Currently I am scumreading UNOwen, he seems to be doing very little except asking the odd poking question. Sketch. Scummy.

Post 646 - thanks Shelly

Post 660 - UNOwen, that’s totally fair, but I feel like I scumread Shelly every game. Now with hindsight I will go ahead and call her a scumread. I am scumreading Shelly.

Post 672 - ShellyC says “my play is incredibly protown” LMAO

Post 674 - I agree with ShellyC’s thoughts on UNOwen here.

Pages 28 & 29 - I don’t see Jackson and Shelly as scum together. I think Jackson’s reaction was genuine. Do I think the spammy banter on both their part was pro-town? Not necessarily.

Post 722 makes me want to keep Odd Day Jester around. Let’s not lim him. He’s funny.
I’m on page 30 and I can’t get a read on NorwegianboyEE.

Post 741 - just caught up to where I last was caught up. Looking forward to re-reading this.

Post 747 - alrighty duppin I am doing that now haha

Post 750 - “I’ve caught up, read everything once, plan to keep it that way” sad naive redados.

Post 757 - I was crabby and tired and should have just shut up. I was really annoyed by Duppin’s (pro-town push). I was being crabby.

Post 760 - LMAO at Odd Day Jester calling me Charizard

Post 763 - Fair point, Norwee
Post 764 - way to sheep norwee, noraa!!!

Gah I was really annoyed by post 766

Page 32 - I am frustrated that Noraa is refusing to listen to what I said/am saying. That is anti-town/immature of her.

Post 799 - “we have a scum!Redados” - not helpful. In general I would describe Noraa’s posts up to this point as “not helpful”. X10. Is she even hunting at this point?

Post 807 is funny, props, Norwee

Post 809 - UNOwen asks if I think Noraa is scum. Yes, I think that Noraa is scum. Pedit: looks like I answered this in 812

Post 813 - Noraa flails. Pedit: Noraa keeps flailing in posts 814 and 815. Noraa, why are you so offended at the thought of being scumread?

Page 33 - ShellyC is actually playing in a pro-town way on this page. Also btw UNOwen still doing the lurky pokey thing, that’s scummy imo.

I agree with what I said in post 828. And post 831.

Noraa calling my post a “shit reason” in post 832 rubs me the wrong way and I’m feeling bery proud of myself for being so respectful in post 833. Good job, redados from four days ago. You did good.

Re ShellyC’s post 839 - well we’re not both scum, I can tell you that

Re Taylor Swift post 855 - you don’t have vasy experience playing with Sausage, do you? You have an end-of-august start date

Re: Taylor Swift post 861 - nah, after I calmed down I still scumread Noraa, so I didn’t unvote.

Post 864 by Jester is both funny yet incredibly insightful. I think Shelly is just straight up scum.

Re: post 865 by Shelly; *I* certainly feel like it’s TvS.

Re: post 869 by Odd Day Jester asking if I scumread anyone - at this moment I scumread UNOwen, ShellyC, and Noraa.

Re: Post 873 by duppin, the answer is because I was crabby. Sorry

I’m on page 36 and I have the slightest scumread on Norwee. Is he hunting at all?? Also Sausage has posted like nothing at this point. Geez.

I agree with post 885 by Mundivore.

Post 887 - UNOwen asks me a question and I don’t feel like answering it. Seems like a lot of work. I’m scumreading Noraa. End of story. Also I’m still scumreading UNOwen at this point.

I feel like Mundivore is town. I like their clownposting. But also wait it’s clown posting and it’s anti town. I am still town leaning on them though.

Re: post 902 by Taylor Swift; it’s not nonsense shitposting, it’s actually surprisingly insightful and helpful.

Re: post 908 by Noraa - you are aggressive, Noraa.

Re: post 909 - another great bat fact!

Re: post 918 - Noraa, stop referring to ongoing games.

Re: post 919 - this was my first thought as well, Jester.

Page 38 - where tf is Saudade

My current plan is to stream of consciousness and trudge things along, vote out scum, scum won’t see me as a threat, and then I’ll go super try-hard once we get to LIMLO and then scum will regret leaving me alive. Stupid scum.

Re: ShellyC’s post 931 explaining Grendel as scum - you’re forgetting that was still practically RVS so it’s NAI. stupid long RVS.

Re: Noraa’s post 938: you’ll never be a clown like them!!!

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Re: Noraa’s post 946 where she says fluffing is better than lurking - is it??? Fluffing spams up the thread and makes it harder to me to catch up. Pedit: 948 ShellyC said my thoughts EXACTLY. Got damn.

Re: Jester’s post 949: hahahahhaha

Re: Post 955 - LET HER CATCH UP SHE SAYS SHE’S ONLY READ EIGHT PAGES

Re: Noraa’s post 966 - wtf is this wall of text

Re: ShellyC’s post 975 - stop talking about breaking site rules

Post 979 by Jester is a good post.

Re: Noraa’s post 981 - I don’t think your townread on Jackson is substantive.

Re: TaylorSwift’s post 985: +1

Re: TSwift’s post 989 - HE’S HUNTING why would that give you scumpings???

Re: Mundivore’s post 1018 - I’m flipping. All of a sudden I’m sus on Mundivore. Are they even hunting??? (this is a theme in my thoughts, I’m noticing)

Re: duppin’s post 1020: +1

Re: duppin’s post 1022: +1

After reading UNOwen’s post 1025, I’m still scumreading him.

After reading Mundivore’s post 1032, I am scumreading them.

Current scumreads: UNOwen, Mundivore, ShellyC, Noraa.

Great informational post by Mundivore in post 1043. I don’t think it’s AI. If it’s town, it’s helpful. If it’s scum, its purpose is to make Mundivore look like they’re being helpful when they didn’t realy take a stand on anything. Digging into my SR here.

Re: Noraa’s post 1047: why are you town reading UNOwen????? That’s super duper sus!!!!!!

Re: duppin’s post 1049 - because he knows I would flip scum and it would make him look bad.

Re: Taylor Swift’s post 1059: why are YOU townreading UNOwen???

Re: UNOwen’s post 1066: this is an awful reason bud

Re: Noraa’s post 1067: use the enter key

Re: post 1077 - Taylor Swift - this is an ANTI town post. Don’t say this shit. Don’t tell the mafia this shit. Gdi.

Re: post 1093 - noraa - don’t flip me bud. Stop it.

TLDR - scumreads: UNOwen, Mundivore, ShellyC, Noraa.

VOTE: UNOwen

I would like to hear thoughts from the entire playerlist on their thoughts regarding UNOwen, specifically from Noraa and Taylor Swift.

[Redados]

If I had to pick the scum team right now, it would be UNOwen, Mundivore, and Noraa.

[Redados]

Immature. Dude I think we both know whose older here. Pointing at me and saying I'm scummy for being immature is stupid. The mods dont choose the scums based on immaturity

You don't know how old I am. I don't know exactly how old you are but I'm pretty sure we're not too far apart in age.

redados, could you point to the specific things in uno's posts that make you scumread him? you stated a scumread but i dont know why you scumread.

yeah. it's the lack of real pushes, convictions, or opinions. he is laying super low and getting towncred for pushing, and specifically it's pushing that doesn't require him to take stands or get sussed at all.

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All of his SRs have zero good reasoning/logic/evidence backing them up

I have reads. I'm sharing them. If you don't like them, that's fine. If you can set aside my read on you, what are your thoughts on the other people that I scumread?

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There's really hard for me to get a grip in this game, because there are so many players playing aggressively and making these pushes but i don't really understand it well.

I feel the same way. The volume of posts is high and there's a lot to sift through. The good news is that we'll have good info in later days when we have more flips.

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My big question for Redados is when he started to scum read me?
Because I am first mentioned as a scumread on my second post, at which point I had done nothing, so I can only imagine he already scumread me before he started his stream of consciousness. And then the follow up question is if he was scum reading me before starting the catch-up, why not mention it before?

Stream of consciousness. I wasn't hiding a scumread on you before. I shared my thoughts on it as it developed.

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My big question for Redados is when he started to scum read me?
Because I am first mentioned as a scumread on my second post, at which point I had done nothing, so I can only imagine he already scumread me before he started his stream of consciousness. And then the follow up question is if he was scum reading me before starting the catch-up, why not mention it before?

just thought of something else.

my scumread of you is based on what you haven't done, not what you have done.
when I was last active in the game, we were like 24 hours in. not fair to scumread you for not doing something, 24 hours in. we are now like four days in. different perspective. more fair.

[Redados]

correct. I would read it more like this if I were to revise:

"Post 644 - UNOwen asks me if I’ve been scum before. I have not been scum before.

Currently I am scumreading UNOwen, he seems to be doing very little except asking the odd poking question. Sketch. Scummy."

[Redados]

Sounds good, thanks!

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Noraa, talk to me more about my scumreads on the other three people.

[Redados]

I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.

Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.

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On mobile, I’ll go through point by point when I get home. But in the mean time please reflect on the helpfulness/lack thereof in your responses to me.

[Redados]

You don’t have to be scum to tunnel. You can take Taylor’s input without taking it as a scum accusation.

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In car heading home, should be able to respond point by point within the next couple of hours

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Spoiler:

I bet some of those reads are right however the reasoning which u r going by aren't gonna convince me any time soon

This is fair. I'm sharing my thoughts, and you don't have to agree with me. You especially don't have to agree with my scumread on you, since that's the nature of the game regardless of your alignment.

Norwee you dont understand why I am SRing redados?

Yes, it seems to me like you’re tunneling/being too aggressive so i’m not sure how trustworthy your read is.
Can you just make a TL;DR of why exactly Redados has been scummy? What’s your main point?

He is the one tunneling in on me. He started tunneling a while back when he said shelly and I were scum for our playstyles.

That's NOT what I said, and you continue to repeat that multiple times after I clarified it.

Then I got really pissed over it so he backpedaled and said it was out of anger towards one of my snarky posts. But then when asked if he would be dropping that vote, he was like nope. That just means that it 100% was NOT an anger vote.

that's also not what happened. the anger vote was from post 766 (viewtopic.php?p=12163167#p12163167)
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Then he just disappears for a shit ton of time and comes back and catches up with the shittiest most scummy post I've ever seen and Foses everyone that has a SR on him(OMGUSing). All his accusations r completely empty. He's not trying to solve and its really clear when u do an ISO on him. I'll be very surprised if he flips green. Everything he does is just scummy. That catch up post accused me of everything that post was-unhelpful, fluff, immature, and whatever tf the other points were

Disappearing was NAI, I was much less active on the entire site for IRL reasons. I did not FoS everyone who has a scumread on me, I scumread four people based on my re-read.

I am trying to solve, I posted who I think the three members of the mafia are.

I'm sorry if you didn't find the catch up post helpful, that's fair. I'll talk through my motivation there. I was inactive and not contributing to the game. I hadn't really developed or shared too many reads. I wanted to catch up on the game, give my thoughts, and share my reads. I did that. If you disagree with those reads, that's fine. If you disagree with my logic, that's fine. What's important to me is that I shared them and they're out there.

This is nothing to do with alignment, but I've decided that I really dislike the style of responding various posts with "real-time" opinions. It is tough to read, and makes identifying the overall arguments unnecessarily difficult. A nice paragraph or maybe just some sentences which give proper opinions post catch-up would be much preferred.

So trying to summarise what I thought:
I see lots of "lol, this is funny".
I see that you are scumreading almost every player to vote against you.
I see that you agree with some of shellyc's posts, calling them pro-town at one point but still scum read them. There is no explanation on the overall shelly read.
I see that you are now claiming to scum read Noraa, but do not want to explain why her behaviour this game is outside of the general scummy Noraa behaviour you expected as it "seems like a lot of work".
I see lots of "why no hunting" even though you have done very little on that front.

My conclusion is that your scumreads are weak and poorly justified and you are displaying very little interest in solving and more in appearing to do so.

that's fair. my thoughts totally could have been easier to read, and are probably not easy reading. I didn't proofread it. If I were scum, this would be hard to do because I could have slipped up while writing it and given y'all ammo against me. I'm town so I have nothing to hide. Look at it more as collateral than evidence, in this way.

Well said uno.

I do agree with the above post quite a bit. However I do think that it is AI for Redados bc he was far more eager to solve in doggos and didn't randomly accuse me of absolutely nothing. Ngl I thought my SRs in On this day were weak but I'm really sure that his are more weak. Arguments attacking my age and my unhelpfulness aren't at all good arguments to be using to back up a Fos or a SR

1. Don't try to meta read me because I've played every single one of my games differently depending on the circumstances, rolecard, etc. This game is different for me in that it's bigger, I'm still figuring out how to play a game of this size. I'm looking forward to learning even more about this.
2. I have not randomly accused you of nothing. I have a scumread on you. Why are you taking this so personally?
3. I am not attacking your age, when have I done that? I have attacked your unhelpfulness. Your posts have not been helpful. I think that you have made some immature posts and arguments. Do I think that you (as a person) are immature? No. Do I think your occasional post is? Yes. Please don't take that as an attack. You making an immature post isn't scummy but it can be anti-town, and if you stack up enough of those you get a read. I scumread you. It is not an attack on you. You seem to be taking it very personally.

And I honestly think this says a lot about him and the reason is that he's literally even scummier than me in On this day where everyone called me really scummy and antitown.

I think that you are being scummy and anti-town. If you think I'm scummy, that's fine. However,

It is anti-town to post "you're scum" in every post. That isn't helpful or healthy. If you want to have a conversation or argument, that's fine, but shutting me down because of your read is incredibly unproductive. Noraa, I am town. I want to have discussions. I don't want to shut anyone down and I don't want to be shut down.

I think he's either going for a TSTBS sorta vibe or he's literally given up and is kinda just like idc anymore.

I'm not going for either of those. I've been AFK and I'm back and I'm ready to find scum.

If we get a Redados flip, here's what I think. If he flips scum that likely means he told his partners to bus him to get a shit ton of towncred by jumping on his wagon. If he flips town, I will be baffled and literally just stfu for a while while I think about how I ended up strongly SRing a townie. I doubt he will flip green tho ngl. He's seriously just been way too scummy for me to even honestly consider that possibility

This post isn't super helpful. I am town. You are tunneling.

Also one observation I made is that Redados 100% buddies Jester. Its very very obvious that he does it and makes me question him a lot. Jester I personally think is likely town however he definitely has some pretty antitown moments and the fact that Redados has chosen to pick at nonexistent things on me over existent things on jester isn't rubbing me the right way. Redados is purposefully trying to overlook these and I'm not sure why. I think if Redados flips red, I will have to start considering a scum!jester possibility even though I have gotten town vibes from that slot over all

you're thinking way too far ahead and again not relevant yet because I am not close to being flipped. you're just kind of repeating that I'm scum over and over again - not helpful.

If we get a Redados flip, here's what I think. If he flips scum that likely means he told his partners to bus him to get a shit ton of towncred by jumping on his wagon. If he flips town, I will be baffled and literally just stfu for a while while I think about how I ended up strongly SRing a townie. I doubt he will flip green tho ngl. He's seriously just been way too scummy for me to even honestly consider that possibility

downvote. you should always consider the possibility that someone might be town. only looking for scum motivation means youll see scum everywhere and very rarely in actual scum

+1

If we get a Redados flip, here's what I think. If he flips scum that likely means he told his partners to bus him to get a shit ton of towncred by jumping on his wagon. If he flips town, I will be baffled and literally just stfu for a while while I think about how I ended up strongly SRing a townie. I doubt he will flip green tho ngl. He's seriously just been way too scummy for me to even honestly consider that possibility

downvote. you should always consider the possibility that someone might be town. only looking for scum motivation means youll see scum everywhere and very rarely in actual scum

I cannot imagine a world where town!Redados exists here. It's not something that my brain is willing to process aorn

then get a new brain or take a break. thats the wrong attitude. its page 8 and theres a 75% chance or so that a randomly selected person is town. you scumread pretty much everyone, especially if they disagree with you. and you tunnel really easily on townies.

+1

sorry if that sounds harsh. your brain is fine. but dont confbias yourself

+1

Im not taking it as a scum accusation. I'm saying that she shouldn't be backing u up since I'm fairly confident town!me has good reads ... or decent at the very least. And she hasn't played a game with town!me before this one so its true that she doesn't know that "I tunnel easily on townies" for a fact. Either way stop stalling and refute all my points on you

Taylor isn't even backing me up, she's just pointing out that regardless of my alignment, you are tunneling. This is totally healthy and fine and she is allowed to do this.

Tell me if I'm the only one thinking its absolute bs.

no it's decent, but @redados you state i am scum at multiple times yet why dont you put me in your solve

It's POE. You're the fourth scummiest but there are only three scum.

yeah. it's the lack of real pushes, convictions, or opinions. he is laying super low and getting towncred for pushing, and specifically it's pushing that doesn't require him to take stands or get sussed at all.

not really. uno discredited my case which is quite a hot take

this is gonna be some shade but that was LHF because your case was not amazing.

So trying to summarise what I thought:
I see lots of "lol, this is funny".
I see that you are scumreading almost every player to vote against you.
I see that you agree with some of shellyc's posts, calling them pro-town at one point but still scum read them. There is no explanation on the overall shelly read.
I see that you are now claiming to scum read Noraa, but do not want to explain why her behaviour this game is outside of the general scummy Noraa behaviour you expected as it "seems like a lot of work".
I see lots of "why no hunting" even though you have done very little on that front.

i skimmed the wall but these points are pretty valid? especially on how redados just comments on the post instead of analysis - form of IIoA?

shading every player is pretty scum AI as well

that's fair. I started making the notes just for myself and somewhere in the middle I decided I would share them. not sure how many people I shaded but I ended up with four scumreads at the end of it which isn't super excessive.

so right now noraa + owen are on the same wavelength i wonder if it's scum+scum trying to push town!redados or town successfully identifying scum

Either scum working together or it's scum!UNOwen taking advantage of a TvT Noraa vs me conflict

If we get a Redados flip, here's what I think. If he flips scum that likely means he told his partners to bus him to get a shit ton of towncred by jumping on his wagon. If he flips town, I will be baffled and literally just stfu for a while while I think about how I ended up strongly SRing a townie. I doubt he will flip green tho ngl. He's seriously just been way too scummy for me to even honestly consider that possibility

this is kinda angling / positioning around the flip which is scum AI tbh

+1

[Redados]

like redados did high effort with that wall so i initially gave townpoints to it but now I kinda think it's just a whole bunch of IIOA

redados can you go case noraa or something and noraa can you go case redados

I put a lot of effort into my catch-up and re-read, and then some more effort into my point by point response from what's been said since my catch-up, so I don't think I have time to case Noraa tonight. Maybe later this week. I'm scumreading UNOwen more than Noraa at this point.

[Redados]

Watch shelly completely disappear from redados' SRs just bc of her above posts

what's the motivation for you posting this?

[Redados]

@redados what's the odds from your pov that it's TvT since you bring up the posibility

idrt the noraa/uno thoughts almost verbatim is partner-y?

I haven't ruled out the possibility that it's TvT but that would be incredibly disappointing play from Noraa. I respect her enough to believe that she's scum doing this. If she's town then she needs to seriously do some reflecting on her play.

[Redados]

Redados is using TSTBS and he literally says it himself in that spoiler. Look how his SRs on Uno and I stand while his SRs on Taylor and Shelly start to falter. This is OMGUSing at its finest. Your don't need to reply a "+1" to everyone that says something in ur favor. It just ends up looking like u want to make sure they know u saw it which is just not a good look here. You have zero new points. You literally can't think up anything new to accuse me of because there is no more. I'm not taking it personally however you explained it multiple times and my conclusion was that u SR me for no reason except my playstyle. I'll be untunneling for now not bc I don't think u r scum anymore but bc I slightly agree with Taylor now that I should try to consider a town!redados world. My brain isn't liking it however I admit there is a slight possibility that he is town and in that case, I would be utterly wrong in my reads and would have to reevaluate everything. So I am untunneling and looking for scum elsewhere. However I still stan a redados wagon and think he's scum.

-I never said that I scumread Taylor. I went back and checked and 1) I questioned why she townread UNOwen and 2) I wish she hadn't said she wasn't the jailkeeper.
-Talk to me more about my scumread on Shelly faltering. I posted that I scumread you, Owen, Mundivore, and Shelly. You and Owen engaged me and I followed up. Why does this mean that my scumread on Shelly is faltering? To me, this reads like you are pushing me to PROVE that I still scumread Shelly

[Redados]

Taylor Swift, what do you think UNOwen's alignment is and why?

[Redados]

Noraa, what do you think UNOwen's alignment is and why?

I know you said a little bit about this but I would like you to quote the question and explain in full, for posterity.

[Redados]

@redados so you're null on taylor?

I am still developing my read. Nothing scumpinged me on first read except for that they townread UNOwen, so I would like to hear more about that before thinking about it further.

[Redados]

redados wanna search uno's ISO for the word Noraa? I can see fireworks ticking off

hmm...

red = redados' scumteam

[4] Redados:

UNOwen

,

Noraa

, Tayl0r Swift, shellyc
[4] Saudade: MiniMegabyte, NorwegianboyEE, duppin, JacksonVirgo
[2] shellyc: Odd Day Jester,

Mundivore

[1] Noraa: bugspray
[1] MiniMegabyte: Saudade
[1] UNOwen: Redados

so you think scum haven't bussed each other at all

if my solve is perfect then yes.

Taylor Swift, what do you think UNOwen's alignment is and why?

townlean, waiting on more content from uno to give a more confident stance. good posts and takes, seems to be looking at the game and trying to solve rather than pushing an agenda

how are they trying to solve? I see them as asking some "good" questions for towncred but avoiding looking sus by not really pushing at all.

[Redados]

oooooooooh check noraa's ISO for the word UNO

this is amazing

pedit: noraa/taylor/uno vibing together so much sets off alarms as to how someone is deep pocketed

Redados disappeared from Shellys reads and Shelly disappeared from Redados' reads.

Shelly/Redados scum team

Shelly has not disappeared from my reads. Why are you pressuring me to say that? I feel like you're trying to push a wedge between me and Shelly. Why?

[Redados]

Townblocks are trash

btw don't you scumread me? your ISO points how im "weird" or "scummy" multiple times

yeah I think you're scummy, but the past couple of pages point to ShellyC and Noraa not being scum partners imo

[Redados]

Shelly's done nothing but make empty accusations on me and start a bunch of lil tornadoes everywhere. Thats literally it -_______-

Shelly would do that regardless of both your and her alignments.

I made my above observation based on your behavior; not hers.

[Redados]

Shelly's done nothing but make empty accusations on me and start a bunch of lil tornadoes everywhere. Thats literally it -_______-

Shelly would do that regardless of both your and her alignments.

I made my above observation based on your behavior; not hers.

and what'd I do that was so so special?

the below:

Watch shelly completely disappear from redados' SRs just bc of her above posts

Redados disappeared from Shellys reads and Shelly disappeared from Redados' reads.

Shelly/Redados scum team

[Redados]

I don't see why scum!redados would wanna say shelly and I aren't scum but that might be something that ur saying to try to make me think its not a shelly/redados solve

the reason that town!redados would say you aren't scum together is because he is trying to solve, btw

[Redados]

ok I gave it a thought and I think scum!redados' main motivation in ruling out a Shelly + Noraa scum team would be to appear like he is solving.

Why do you think it would be to "get you off my tail"?

[Redados]

why are we thinking about what to do as scum
is 1267 a scumslip

nah, I entertained it and it's because 1266 doesn't make sense. I don't follow her logic.

[Redados]

yeah I think you're scummy, but the past couple of pages point to ShellyC and Noraa not being scum partners imo

1250 was directed at @taylor, but sure I'll take it

if you think we aren't S/S do you think scum is noraa and town is me then?

yes.

[Redados]

why are we thinking about what to do as scum
is 1267 a scumslip

nah, I entertained it and it's because 1266 doesn't make sense. I don't follow her logic.

I don't follow 1271 either.

[Redados]

I don't see why scum!redados would wanna say shelly and I aren't scum but that might be something that ur saying to try to make me think its not a shelly/redados solve

stop doing preflip associatives

+1

[Redados]

redados saying +1 to everything taylor says is concerning

that one was tongue in cheek because I think Noraa was complaining about it. I didn't realize that it was to Taylor every time, I was just doing it to stuff I agreed with, oops

[Redados]

yeah I think you're scummy, but the past couple of pages point to ShellyC and Noraa not being scum partners imo

1250 was directed at @taylor, but sure I'll take it

if you think we aren't S/S do you think scum is noraa and town is me then?

yes.

why?

I think Noraa is pretty scummy, I scumread her more than I scumread Shelly. I also think Shelly is scummy, but like I explained I don't think that she and Noraa are scum together.

[Redados]

also, why do you feel obligation to be everyone's knight in shining armour and defend them from bad arguments because its not your job to do that

she keeps saying stuff that makes a lot of sense, I'm not complaining

[Redados]

second sentence of that is kinda self aware? or am I reading too much into things

pedit: can you explain WHY I am scummy? since ive seen your noraa minicase

I haven't really felt that you were scummy since I started being more active but reading through your ISO I see you tunnel, play aggressively, I'm not a fan. If you play like this for the rest of the game though I would feel better.

[Redados]

besides generaly your posting hasn't been very game advancing

your FoS on redados sheeps UNO
your sus on me sheeps jackson, jester
you fluffpost a ton

I think Nora sussed me before UNO did? I don't think UNO sussed me until I sussed him if I'm remembering correctly

[Redados]

the confrontation from noraa at you was mainly because of your meta scumread, not directly sussing you or casing you

it. wasn't. a meta. scumread. *bangs head against wall*

[Redados]

I'm also feeling scummy on Noraa and Shelly but can acknowledge to myself that it probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with playstyle.

this is a meta scumread or at leats you think that our behaviour is antitown

your behavior was anti-town. that was me admitting that it may have been NAI based on meta.

[Redados]

maybe I'm just getting hung up on phrasing

[Redados]

Similar catchup post(s) here and beyond from Doggos. He mentions things that he finds funny, and has similar comments of stating he agrees with things.

However, his opinions are stronger and have more emotion/oomph to them there, and he feels a little more free, while he appears more "cool" here?

@Redados:

Any reason that you're a little less emotive in this game than you normally are?

I'm having less fun right now than I was while playing Doggos. It's not as fun to be scumread, although no shade to the people scumreading me because that's literally the point of the game after all

[Redados]

I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.

Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.

the response where they called you insincere lol?

compared to Noraa, talking to UNOwen is like talking to my bestest nicest friend ever it was a breath of fresh air

[Redados]

I’mhappy with UNOwen’s response, I feel like we can have a good discussion.

Nora, I don’t feel like your last few posts have been helpful.

the response where they called you insincere lol?

also with UNOwen he says stuff where I disagree and I say why I disagree. I see stuff where I see where he's coming from, and the only thing I can do is just to keep posting! which is fair. that doesn't make me upset.

[Redados]

plus can we uh try to have better reasons/explanations to back up ur reads？Otherwise u just sound exactly like redados

It’s okay to share gutreads. Not every read can be supported with an essay and a thesis. Better to share the reads than not share the reads.

[Redados]

funny thing is I have a gut feel on unOwen being scum but their posts seem towny

again, it's not what he's saying but what he's NOT saying

[Redados]

I dont want a plus lim today, no. But I want an answer and I will use my vote to get one

this neuters the power of your vote to include a qualifier like this

[Redados]

I like his frustration and tone. I think there's been some misunderstandings too in your interactions. For example, he initially put you and shelly in a "scumreads because of playstyle" category - this was him acknowledging he disliked you and shelly, but it may be because of your playstyle and he finds himself doing it every game. I found this caution towny.

You interpreted it to mean he was scumreading you consciously

because

he thinks you're scummy because of playstyle.

Noraa, this is EXACTLY what I meant. EXACTLY.

[Redados]

well put it this way noraa
if taylor flips green then we probably flip reddados. And if reddados flips red NE is highly likely to be scum because he's trying to derail a red wagon

Talk to me more about this because I don't think I've pushed or scumread Taylor very much if at all

[Redados]

Honestly, shelly is efforting so much that she'll hopefully just spew herself as town/scum further down the line. It really does feel like this is her scummeta based on what I've seen, mostly from stuff she did early on, buuuut I'll shelve this for a bit.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Idk what i'm doing so i guess i'll sheep you. Tayl0r has been firm null for me anyway so not a bad place for me to place my vote.
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

so you have 0 scumreads after 60 pages norwee?

I misread, didn't see "NE" in there

[Redados]

Spoiler:

VC 1.10

Bat Fact #11:

Bats belong to the animal order chiroptera (Greek for "hand wing").
They are named for their four long fingers and thumb, each of which are connected to the next by a thin layer of skin.

EXILE STATUS

[3] Tayl0r Swift:

Odd Day Jester, NorwegianboyEE, PlusJOYED

[2] Saudade:

MiniMegabyte, duppin

[1] Redados:

UNOwen

[1] shellyc:

Mundivore

[1] Noraa:

bugspray

[1] MiniMegabyte:

Saudade

[1] UNOwen:

Redados

[1] duppin:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] PlusJOYED:

Noraa

[1] Not Voting:

shellyc

With 13 still flying around the place, it takes 7 votes to ground someone.

The Day 1 deadline is in:

(expired on 2020-10-03 14:30:00)

Mod Notes:

MiniMegabyte is being replaced.

[/mech]

The Rise and Fall of the Redados Wagon: A Tragedy in 62 Pages.

funny thing is I have a gut feel on unOwen being scum but their posts seem towny

again, it's not what he's saying but what he's NOT saying

There is reasonable logic to this, I have been focused on you and have made few comments elsewhere. If you are town then I should be suspicious to you. But you have claimed to understand my perspective, so my question is why you think I am scum trying to push a miselimination and not town who thinks you are scum?

short answer is because I know I'm town and I don't think that I've done anything scummy enough to warrant a vote unless you're sketch. Re-reading that and thinking about that, that seems illogical and OMGUS-y.

I'm new to this I've never been scumread before/never had a serious wagon on me before, so it pops as scummy when you and PlusJoy vote for me. I just don't see why y'all would vote for me if you weren't scum.

Of course, that's not a valid argument for you to stop voting me, so feel free to carry on. Thanks for having me think from that perspective.

[Redados]

You attacked me for using my newbie card in doggos and I'm sure as hell sure that I was newer in doggos than you are here

I have four completed games and I have never been limmed during the day, only nightkilled. I've never had a serious wagon on me before. does that help explain what I'm saying?

[Redados]

I'm new to this I've never been scumread before/never had a serious wagon on me before, so it pops as scummy when you and PlusJoy vote for me. I just don't see why y'all would vote for me if you weren't scum.

Be warned that I will at some point force myself to check if you have never gone through a town game without attracting serious suspicion before, so please offer clarifications if necessary. But to help right now, perhaps you could explain your Noraa read + explain how you formed your impression of my play based on two posts?

go for it, you're welcome to check, you can read my games. In N2019, I was obvtown and was the first nightkilled after the masons got killed. In N2025, I was also obvtown and got nightkilled. In Micro 966 I replaced in for the last day but was never under serious pressure. I also finished up Newbie 2027 where I was not ever killed or had serious pressure on me.

My Noraa read is that she is tunneling on me, it reads like new player energy but I know that she's capable of using that to her advantage.

My impression of your play; I semi-read/kept up with the game. I re-read the game. On my re-read, I noticed that you weren't taking stances. you were asking questions and being present but in a way that wasn't actually helpful/hunting.

[Redados]

You attacked me for using my newbie card in doggos and I'm sure as hell sure that I was newer in doggos than you are here

I have four completed games and I have never been limmed during the day, only nightkilled. I've never had a serious wagon on me before. does that help explain what I'm saying?

I have two finished games and I haven't used my noob card here.

Congratulations!

[Redados]

You attacked me for using my newbie card in doggos and I'm sure as hell sure that I was newer in doggos than you are here

I have four completed games and I have never been limmed during the day, only nightkilled. I've never had a serious wagon on me before. does that help explain what I'm saying?

so you were town in all those games?

I was, and I'm town in this game too.

[Redados]

what is lhf?

low hanging fruit

[Redados]

You attacked me for using my newbie card in doggos and I'm sure as hell sure that I was newer in doggos than you are here

I have four completed games and I have never been limmed during the day, only nightkilled. I've never had a serious wagon on me before. does that help explain what I'm saying?

I have two finished games and I haven't used my noob card here.

Congratulations!

uk that read really bad for u right?

nope, spell it out for me.

[Redados]

Noraa answer my post 1613 please

[Redados]

You use a newbie card in a game where someone newer than u isn't even using it
@Redados does that not read bad?

There's a difference between saying "don't lim me, I'm new", and saying "I haven't encountered this before, this is new to me". I don't think this is a dunk on me. That's why I want you to explain it.

[Redados]

Plus can you elaborate a little more on your townread of Noraa?

[Redados]

I-T

need any other help?

not funny and not helpful!

[Redados]

My Noraa read is that she is tunneling on me, it reads like new player energy but I know that she's capable of using that to her advantage.

Hmmmmm. Can you expand this read to contain something to do with her alignment?

not without seriously pissing Noraa off

[Redados]

My Noraa read is that she is tunneling on me, it reads like new player energy but I know that she's capable of using that to her advantage.

Hmmmmm. Can you expand this read to contain something to do with her alignment?

Noraa's reads and tunnels are anti-town.

[Redados]

Noraa's reads and tunnels are anti-town.

Anti-town is still leaving the door open for town. Do you think she is scum or not?

I think she's scum.

[Redados]

you posted zero evidence. half was piggybacked off of something I replied to one of his posts and I dont even think he's scum. I was just pointing something out and trying to get Norwee on the redados wagon

my case on NB is pretty compelling methinks
but if you wanna wall me out cause your fighting reddados whatever

[Redados]

I think she's scum.

We got there. So going way back to my previous question which you did not answer - can you point to where you believe she has been anti-town in this game in a way that you wouldn't expect from town!Noraa? What about her reads suggest she is scum?

this isn't a place where I would pick out posts from her ISO to back up my point. What I would say is that most of her points directed towards me and maybe half of her posts in general are anti-town, throwing scumreads at the wall and seeing what sticks, not reading/listening carefully.

[Redados]

DOUBLE WOWZER

VOTE: REDADOS

[Redados]

well im down to vote reddados again I still prefer a NB elim though
maybe NB busses here maybe not.

UNVOTE: Redados

Im worried plus is gonna hammer or something and idk where redados is at rn

the meme worked

[Redados]

WTF no the meme didn't

VOTE: Redados

fuck

[Redados]

It was a bit weird that he brought up that "Hm maybe replacements got replaced because they figured out one was scum...?" which doesn't really make sense to me.
What kind of thought is that?

we're not supposed to discuss reasons for replacements.

[Redados]

but I had the same thought as duppin there

[Redados]

I looked at duppin's ISO and I don't find him particularly scummy?

[Redados]

nice

[Redados]

As I said when I gave my reads before he hasn't really done much to change my mind. No matter what his alignment is I believe he is too caught up on Noora's push on him.
What I will say though is that I am actually a bit surprised with his latest posts as I did not expect him to defend me. If he is scum it seems more logical for him to at least try to discredit me a little bit since I called him scummy.

My current limpool is {noraa, unowen, mundivore, shelly} although I'll probably have to widen that to avoid a mislim of course.

Where is bugspray?

Where is mundivore?? Mundivore has done very little hunting today and has stayed mostly under the radar. VOTE: Mundivore

[Redados]

I feel like duppin is town.

[Redados]

As I said when I gave my reads before he hasn't really done much to change my mind. No matter what his alignment is I believe he is too caught up on Noora's push on him.
What I will say though is that I am actually a bit surprised with his latest posts as I did not expect him to defend me. If he is scum it seems more logical for him to at least try to discredit me a little bit since I called him scummy.

My current limpool is {noraa, unowen, mundivore, shelly} although I'll probably have to widen that to avoid a mislim of course.

Where is bugspray?

Where is mundivore?? Mundivore has done very little hunting today and has stayed mostly under the radar. VOTE: Mundivore

wtf? Why are u voting a really inactive slot now?
VOTE: Redados
ur so scummy its unbelievable

didn't you already have your vote on me?

Mundivore is not inactive, they've only been gone for like a day and a half? and before they were gone, I scumread them.

[Redados]

noraa I feel like I can't win with you.

[Redados]

Lurkers/less active players are easy to get mislims on

I put them at E-6.

[Redados]

Tayl0r by the way are you an alt or a new player?

im not an alt.

Taylor has said that she's from another site and that she's not an alt.

[Redados]

i have offsite scum games. no you cant see my offsite games. theres a reason im not on that site any more and i dont want to dredge up those reasons. this is my first/only account on this site so no im not an alt.

.

[Redados]

Davesaz, what is your catch up strategy?

[Redados]

shelly plays mafia with the same mentality as a wingsuit diver. She just yeets herself off a cliff-face and hopes not to be dashed against any rocks.

Does this come from a place of authority with regard to Shelly's meta?

You won't have much to read. I still haven't exited RVS mentality... this is a very hectic game, and I tend to keep my reads to myself until I find them useful.

Hmm, this jives with the previous post but yikes, RVS mentality nearly to post 900?

Shelly and Mundivore both played in Newbie 2027 (I played in it too)

[Redados]

Someone asked me what my read on taylor was, I can't remember who asked me. My answer is that I don't find Taylor particularly scummy. What am I missing?

[Redados]

Noraa, I agree with your logic on bugspray.

[Redados]

Mundivore, what do you think of PLUSjoyed?

[Redados]

I have an idea for your next gimmick account jester.
"Fence-sitty mc fencepost"
The guy that never takes a side on ANYTHING.

he would get lunched immediately


I'm not feeling a taylor lim today either. I just don't see it.

[Redados]

lets push taylor to E-1 and get a claim, i think thats the most protown thing to do today

the day has been derailing

talk me through how forcing claims is pro-town.

[Redados]

Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?

yes

[Redados]

I think Nora sussed me before UNO did? I don't think UNO sussed me until I sussed him if I'm remembering correctly

?

This never got a reply from Redados, but I would like him to explain why he thinks I never suspected him until his big catch up considering he has claimed to have been reading my posts.

I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.

[Redados]

Thinking Redados might not be a bad idea now honestly, I thought the "scum because of playstyle" caution was towny from him early on, but it seems he's committed to actually scumreading both of Noraa/shelly without ever explaining why.

Looking through his ISO, he's restated or acknowledged those scumreads like 10 or so different times, but not once has he mentioned

why

he scumreads them or given any reasoning despite repeatedly being prompted for it...maybe he doesn't actually have any reasons and is just rolling with the reads from early on? His wall in 1164 infact have a bunch of lines where he says shelly is being protown or that he agrees with something shelly has said, but then these come with no explanation:

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Redados

help, WHY do you scumread shelly and Noraa?

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

[Redados]

I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.

You did not see me as scumreading you until I voted for you the second time

and also

the time when I said I thought you were the most suspicious and was surprised there weren't more votes against you, which was earlier and definitely before your big catchup.

The question isn't really about what you think now though, it is whether at the time you posted your catch up and voted against me you were aware that I thought you were scum?

no, I was not aware although I had read the whole thing so maybe I should have been more aware/was aware subconsciously

can I ask why this is so important?

[Redados]

was odj hectic and then he replaced in on his main?

yep

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

Why were you originally scumreading shelly?

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

[Redados]

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.

What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?

Those were off the cuff reads from a bunch of pages ago and I don’t want to defend them anymore.

[Redados]

I'll be lower activity for the next day or so since I'll be traveling. Should be back to usual capabilities by Saturday evening or Sunday morning CST.

[Redados]

I'll be lower activity for the next day or so since I'll be traveling. Should be back to usual capabilities by Saturday evening or Sunday morning CST.

I am done traveling. Haven't caught up but I see that I'm at E-1, so I probably owe you guys a claim. I have a few hours to catch up now. Gimme a sec

[Redados]

Hey guys. If I wasn't me I would totally get the case on me, so no hard feelings. I definitely could have contributed more/better. Hopefully y'all can get info from my lim. Also this is pretty humbling.

I will not role-claim.

Hectic led my lim but I don't scumread him for it.

Noraa is hedging now which I don't like at all. She was on me earlier in the day but now I see her play as wanting the town cred of being against my lim.

Please watch Mundivore. They are playing differently than the other games I played with them. Mundivore's posts have the appearance of being useful but they are avoiding giving opinions on specific players. Also please watch UNOwen, he's doing the same thing. I still scumread both of them.

I think ShellyC is town. I think Hectic is town.

Final reads list:

Town

--

Hectic
shellyc
Battle Mage
duppin

bugspray
PlusJOYED
davesaz
Tayl0r Swift
NorwegianboyEE

Noraa
Mundivore
UNOwen

--

Scum

I know there's a bunch of null in there. It's really hard to develop reads with the volume of posts. I would like my last words to be complaining about the volume of posts - the volume of posts sucks. I'll be watching from the dead thread. Go town!

[Redados]

Ah I'm back in the scum category
*sigh*
do you have a reason besides the fact that I actually tried to reevaluate even tho I didnt wanna?

And do you have a better reason for why UNO is scum?
just screams OMGUS to me

I'm sharing my last thoughts because I'm about to get flipped. You can argue with my logic all you want if I flip red. If I flip green can you just admit that these are my thoughts? I'm sharing what I think.

[Redados]

Mundivore is also literally just lurking here. Whys he scum?

Mundivore's preferred pronoun is they. Yes, they are lurking. And I think they are scum.

If u flip red, then I shouldn't have even bothered with reevaluating. If u flip green, these reads aren't helpful bc they aren't backed up
UNVOTE: Redados

work with me and give me reads if ur town bc I don't want to lim u

Redados ur making everything so hard. Literally I don't wanna lim someone that 1)isn't willing to claim cuz I'm afraid you might be some important pr and 2) I just reevaluated and changed from a SR to TR

you're doing the thing that I mentioned here:

Noraa is hedging now which I don't like at all. She was on me earlier in the day but now I see her play as wanting the town cred of being against my lim.

(also I'm aware that you can't win here no matter what you do but I am pointing it out anyway).
There are two people who have declared intent to hammer on me, so your unvote doesn't do anything here.

[Redados]

guys what the fuck why are there literally 25 new pages DID WE HAMMER YET???

No, I'm at E-2.

[Redados]

I want you to explain ur reads and not in two sloppy sentences that look like you thought them up in two seconds. I want you to rethink everything bc I don't want to lim u today

yeah they're sloppy surface level reads, which is why I'm the lim today, which is totally fair.

[Redados]

Noraa is hedging now which I don't like at all. She was on me earlier in the day but now I see her play as wanting the town cred of being against my lim.

also if you look at newbie 2027 you'll see that this is totally within her scumrange.

[Redados]

If you are town, you have no one but urself to blame if you get limmed.

That's fair and I accept that.

[Redados]

your progressions are non logical

I agree with this.

[Redados]

I made a whole entire beautiful copy pasta and you choose to use that one -__________-**

copypastas are

very

rarely ever able to be written on purpose that takes away the oomph