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[NorwegianboyEE]

They're too

dangerous

to be left alive.
VOTE: ShellyC

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Odd Day Jester

And what about even days? Do you play not as a jester?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please do me a favor and outline your typical playstyle with these questions:

Intuitive, or analytical?
Independent, or Collaborative?
Aggressive, or Passive?

Hmm i'd have to say my playstyle is about 100% annoying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jester isn't a normal role. You lied.
You die.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes i do mind. Because i don't have an rigid playstyle. I can be all of those things in the span of a single game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you dont have a preference at all for how you play Norwegian guy?

I guess you could say i'm impulsive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

Scumreading people for their entrance is a fools errand.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I know Jackson, Sausage and think i've played with Bugspray once.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good to know NorwegianGuy.

Call me Norwee plz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

TBH im disappointed you publicly came to this conclusion so soon. I was interested to see what other's reactions to RedGarodos and Jester were.

We could have gotten out of the boring RVS fun time much faster.

You can scumread me for killing all of the fun. That'll get us out of RVS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

Scumreading people for their entrance is a fools errand.

nah its not SRs at this point in time yet. Some of the entrances have made me felt like scum was trying real hard to look town by seeming like a bold townie. In general I think that's a pretty good way to approach a game as scum since first impressions always last even if only subconsciously. So what I would say about these are that they are suspicions that may influence my decisions later in the game but they are by no means reads yet

Ah, i see. Yeah you can keep your impression in mind for later. That's not bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t want to vote him because he’s funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have an extreme bias towards not eliminating fun slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good to know NorwegianGuy.

Call me Norwee plz.

Oh do you prefer that? Or do you not mind if I call you NEE

That’s fine too. But Norwegianguy reminds me of that awkward portion of my childhood where my acc was named that and someone stole it and impersonated me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also fyi the moment I saw ur first post, I just thought of when I got my first role pm and my reply was "I'm confused"

What's your reply this time?

Also, I would appreciate if you could limit your emojis to 1 per post. These things don't come cheap for server costs.

I understand your concern and will reapect that by switching to use exclusively animated pics of anime girls whenever i’m feeling cheeky from now on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DAYVIG: JacksonVirgo

this is lockscum

jackson / noraa game solved

Wait a sec. What if.... Jackson and Noraa are both scum. Because Jackson is trying to prove them to be town here by going into other games and really trying. Hmmm...

Ew this post.
I don’t like it.
VOTE: MiniMegabyte

[NorwegianboyEE]

megabyte is a mislim waiting to happen

Do they always play kinda like lynchbait?

[NorwegianboyEE]

MiniMegabyte is likely town because I found something she tends to do a lot in her scumgame, and hasn't done much of here yet. I'll keep what it is hidden until I've seen a little more from here.

Ok i like that reasoning.
You know, i think i really am coming down to trust you as town.

VOTE: Odd Day Jester

[NorwegianboyEE]

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

Scumreading people for their entrance is a fools errand.

TBH im disappointed you publicly came to this conclusion so soon. I was interested to see what other's reactions to RedGarodos and Jester were.

We could have gotten out of the boring RVS fun time much faster.

Why can't others react to RedCharmander/NotAJester despite Norwee making that post?

The latter line seems a little

LAMIST

too. I have enlarged the buzzword as I have been informed that people are a fan of these.

VOTE: Grendel

Must... resist... sheeping... due to... aesthetically pleasing buzzword!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

quoting myself, sometimes town are just... town

You better stop quoting that right now sir, i’m still pretty angry about you-know-what.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa and Shelly, you two both have that fucking evening sun avi and it’s the most confusing thing EVER.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: minimegaexcept this one, such a weak entrance

saude top tier read time

tbh i don't think the entrance was very weak? explain

Well she felt the need to explain her rvs vote.. like an excuse
And the first post beforehand was a quote to something not game related either

Saudade explaining his reads. Lockscum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uhhh, what

I was trying to see if anyone would jump on.

it's indicative of scum!jv tbh

Your read on JV was stated in 1 minute between the time where you say JV is scum because nobody jumped on. I’m not thinking you’re scum, i’m just confused.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the way you flip on me concerns me a tiny bit

I think it’s natural for Odd Day Jester to flip his read on you when you went from an calm rational tea-sipping individual to acting like an Bugspray on meth with your silly JV read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My most accurate reads come from my big

D?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meta is Garbage is Garbage

When did this become a thing? I presume it came out as a reaction to the giant wave a few years back of everyone doing nothing but meta reads (which was also a bit daft) but I'd like to at least discuss some of my issues with the so-called meta issue that I see a lot.

First off, the 'people can change their meta' argument. To that I say, yes, and? People (scum) can game *any and every tell in the book* that's kind of the point of being good scum, doing whatever you can to appear town. Insomuch as I have a scum meta, it is to have it look as much like my town meta as possible, so, yeah, naturally players can and will and should do whatever they can to match metas, just as they should do it to affect any possible tell around. So the idea that scum will attempt to manipulate a tell applies equally across all tells, yeah? Unless the tell is actually objective (and the only ones I've personally found like that tend to be mechanic and voting based - so...y'know, stuff like setup spec and VCA that people *also* whine about. So, first off, this is a dumb complaint when someone uses meta as a tell.

"Meta is garbage!" This is another I hear a lot. I presume people say this because they've seen meta be wrong. Okay, whoop-de-doo, I'm pretty sure I've seen every tell under the sun be wrong. The real question is simply how well supported/researched is the meta being used. Is it from one game? Then maybe it's garbage. Is it from a five year history and 10+ games? Then I'd be awfully willing to buy it (and generally have never experienced people doing a drastic meta shift in some random game to break their meta and own face). So, once again, this makes meta...wait for it...basically like every tell out there.

"I change my meta every game, so I can't be meta'ed" I would suggest this implies you're a bad player, unless your claim is all town game styles are equally effective (and if you think that I'd love to discuss your research and conclusions). I also...well, kinda don't believe this, and even if it is exactly true - then that's your meta, and theoretically tells could be drawn from it even then.

So, basically, stop random attacking meta for empty reasons. If you have an issue with a meta case, describe them. If you can't, then it's probably a perfectly valid case as far as the style the case-maker has chosen.

Also, saying you hate meta is your meta - change it

That wall is boring.
-5 fun points.
Careful, if you get any more boring your fun immunity might disappear and then there’s nothing stopping me from voting you if you start being scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need NEE here fam

What do you need me at 6 AM for?

[NorwegianboyEE]

discrediting reads and attempts to solve: -3 townpoints

Are you even keeping count of these statistics or is it just an annoying buzzword you like to repeat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And I think you all know what I think about clowns.

What if i told you the character in my avi is called Clownpiece.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackson Shelly is probably TvT and you two should shake hands and stop.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is actually so funny im sorry

Sausage can u stop.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It means that in the 14 seconds between 295 and 296, you had this thought about that you're concerned about me being manipulated by scum, which is dependent on you being incredibly confident I'm town - which doesn't fit how you're now nullreading me. It's far more plausible that "concern" means you just don't like me flipping on you, and you're talking about my alignment.

I mean concern since I was confident before that you were town

but you're not townie rn

you've lost the town energy

Shelly wtf r u doing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but after i have lunch first bye

I hope you had your morning coffee.
You seem overly irritable and that’s why you jump on anyone for any perceived slight against you.
Probably town from you because if you’re scum you just committed political suicide.

[NorwegianboyEE]

see shelly was just a hungry girl that explains her overall angry attitude and inconsistent mood swings on everyone

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re not you when you’re hungry. Grab a snickers.

[NorwegianboyEE]

your big ugly quote wall is pretty much IIoA and you're not trying to sort Jackson, and the quote wall does not lead to the thought of "oh jack is town"

I’m going to have to townread you for using the phrase: "big ugly quote wall"

[NorwegianboyEE]

norway thoughts on grendal

tell me how their big wall is not fence sitting on everyones alignment and being agreeable

I agree with the sentiment that scum are likely to play the rational Richard in this scenario while town!Shelly is raging at other towns.
So yes, good place to put some pressure.
VOTE: Grendel

[NorwegianboyEE]

either way it seems... just not how I'd imagine scum would play this situation out

Normally I'd be inclined to agree, because why does scum lie about that so unnecessarily? But this is actually just how scum!shelly plays, she constantly backpedals on things when called out on them, and "flails" for lack of a better term (and this is why you don't ignore meta).

That’s funny, because i was thinking more it’d be something you were doing rather than Sausage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops wrong quote. Fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Im not super inclined to support the Sundade TR that has been cropping up in peoples reads. Its really easy for scum to play the reasonable town thinker in a situation where most players are playing an overtly aggressive game.

That’s funny, because i was thinking more it’d be something you were doing rather than Sausage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believe giving someone a pass for self voting is a big mistake as it essentially opens up for scum doing it for easy town credit in the long run.

I believe voting Jester for voting himself is a big mistake as it essentially opens up for scum to wagon an slot that if flips town they can justify themselves by saying they were voting for a policy elimination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Jester is just joking most of the time, i can tell he's going to seriously play the game. And he even has been, posting reads and posting some votes for people other than him.
I don't think he's been an slot worthy of exile just because of his comedic tendencies.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Jester is just joking most of the time, i can tell he's going to seriously play the game. And he even has been, posting reads and posting some votes for people other than him.
I don't think he's been an slot worthy of exile just because of his comedic tendencies.

But do you believe self voting should be normal?

Define normal?
As in do i think it's something people should seriously do as an AtE tactic? No. And it's easy for scum to copy that behaviour.
But voting yourself as the punchline of an joke? Why not? If he plays the game seriously when it matters, it wouldn't bother me at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't mind anyone voting Jester if they genuinely scumread him. But voting purely with the explained reason that they fundamentally disagree with self-voting is where i draw the line.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well my interpretation of the slight might be fundamentally different from yours because i have an experience with many users creating gimmicky alt accounts where they do what Odd Day Jester has been doing for usually one or a few games before reverting to their main or creating an new alt. And by seeing the sign up date of the user i can easily tell this is not an new user that just jumped in from the Newbie Queue, this is an experienced user that wants to experience with playstyles and is using the new account as a platform to do so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well my interpretation of the user might be fundamentally different from yours because i have an experience with many users creating gimmicky alt accounts where they do what Odd Day Jester has been doing for usually one or a few games before reverting back to their main or creating an new alt. And by seeing the sign up date of the user i can easily tell this is not an new user that just jumped in from the Newbie Queue, this is an experienced user that wants to experiment with playstyles and is using the new account as a platform to do so. And is therefore unlikely to be an frontrunner of an entirely new site meta where self-voting is the cool thing all the kids will be doing. So i think accepting it as the joke it is and trying to read him properly is the way to go here.

EBWOP^

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't mind anyone voting Jester if they genuinely scumread him. But voting purely with the explained reason that they fundamentally disagree with self-voting is where i draw the line.

you are free to find me suspicious or vote on me for doing so I have no problem with that whatsoever

I don't really find it suspicious or scum indicative that you stand behind the position you've taken. I just fundamentally disagree with it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

dont think NEE would try pocketing me tho

Reason being?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: minimegaexcept this one, such a weak entrance

saude top tier read time

tbh i don't think the entrance was very weak? explain

Well she felt the need to explain her rvs vote.. like an excuse
And the first post beforehand was a quote to something not game related either

Saudade explaining his reads. Lockscum.

I am seeing this as a joke but does this hold any actual weight?

Like all good jokes there's always a grain of truth in it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lolwat

[NorwegianboyEE]

why tf would I make the whole plist hate me

yeah why would you do that.
Seriously.

[NorwegianboyEE]

okay... im kinda coming to a world where Jackson is town.

the "I fucked up" posts were pretty geniune.

Really? I thought they were kinda weird and unnatural and made me question my read on him.
But sure, if you think so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Jackson the kind of guy that goes into an full page of OH THE HUMANITY! speech because he wagoned an obvious IC fake claim or is it acting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, I kinda did too but then Jacko seems to be on very little sleep, considering he's been in the thread for the past forever.

Ah yes, indeed. That might explain it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian you are scum this game arent you

I'm not scum, r u scum?
I'm not getting the same vibes from you like usual.
You seem to be focusing more on complaining about the active posters. Kinda like you did when we were scum together in a previous mini. Where all you did was not really scum hunt and complain about users with anime avatars.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guys, who wants to fry up an sausage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Saduade

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Saduade

oh thats tempting actually

Dew it.
Shelly you should join too. Get off of your beloved Jackson and support the resistance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You could at least try to have an impression on other players than those you played with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not voting Saudade as an reaction test.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And even if i did, why would you point it out. That's just anti-town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it's been a while since two people have voted me in a game, what a wonderful feeling

Why you feeling that way boi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you have a fetish for being voted and scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Shelly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where’s Bugspray.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

now that I have calmed down, I will leave my vote where it is.

This is really funny to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

which posts was it.

That cringey page 29 where Jackson acts like they are so SHOCKED (YOU WON'T BELIEVE NUMBER 6. FACE IN THUMBNAIL) at the revelation that ShellyC who just before joke claimed Vigilante was apparently the IC the entire time!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I highly scumread grendel and am eagerly awaiting their response

one thing I find weird is that some people like norwee have vibed with my thoughts yet are on other wagons.

What’s weird about it, i like my own scumread better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm scumreading Saudade.

Could you elaborate on this?

when I posted this they had been active without doing too much pushing, mostly had just observed up to this point

from my vast experience playing with saudade, id say being quiet is +scum for saudade

I’d say that’s quite correct.

[NorwegianboyEE]

does norwee roll only scum in normals?

What is this question implying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your problem Jackson, is that you can be too paranoid. So much that it stifles any possible progress to be made and actually helps scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, this is a personal request, but I would love to see a clown readslist from you. Nothing to do with alignments, just a tiered list ordering people from CLOWN to not really a clown. I'm gunning for top clown, so give me some tips if you have them.

An new rival emerges...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok my scumpings on Noraa is increasing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mundivore has elevated in my reads for that fantastic clownlist.

I'm going to have to agree on that.
They're definitely going into the funblock.
Funblock so far is Odd Day Jester/Norwee/Mundivore
I don't really agree that Shelly is a good contender here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not while he's being all sad and depressing. Let him sort himself out first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was okay with Tayl0r's predecessor but not sure what to think of the slot at the moment. I know Jester already asked you to explain why you find his read on Saudade opportunistic but I would also really like to hear your read on Saudade since you did throw slight shade towards him earlier saying him being silent is a scum tell, I am well aware you were being sarcstic about your vast experience with him but still you never mentioned him after that.

Theory.
Tayl0r scumread Saudade before receiving her role pm. But then when she did receive it she realized Saudade was her scum teammate so she stopped focusing on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh nvm they picked up role pm before saying that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just want to state for the record that i will indeed attempt to pocket Odd Day Jester no matter my alignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm gonna have to agree with Duppin's sentiment that while there certainly isn't the strongest evidence in the world that Saudade is scum, there isn't much pointing to him being town either. Just like all wagons this is based on information. And tbh i don't like what i'm seeing, there's a lot of stalling, weird reasons to townread Saudade. Shading of the voters.
The main issue here is deciphering whether scum is shading a wagon on town or whether they are trying to discourage a wagon on scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

Gonna look through Saudade's ISO to find everything that is potentially scum behavior

What a lively bunch

So far you're all doing great

It's interesting that Saudade enters this game with the mentality of being the reasonable person overlooking everything. Don't know what to make of it here.

VOTE: minimegaexcept this one, such a weak entrance

saude top tier read time

tbh i don't think the entrance was very weak? explain

Well she felt the need to explain her rvs vote.. like an excuse
And the first post beforehand was a quote to something not game related either

Weak reasons to vote Mini. Especially the first point, given 63 was an answer to Gendel's RVS questions, and WAS game related.

Its not a super strong read since the user didnt post afterwards but it feels like she tried to get some posts in just to be done with it rather than contribute

This is also strange because Mini does post more after the two posts Saudade is talking about. From 149 to 205

Its not a super strong read since the user didnt post afterwards but it feels like she tried to get some posts in just to be done with it rather than contribute

mega did post afterwards

Oh i missee it, what page

Oh, okay, he apparently missed that. Missing all of those other Mini posts however shows he didn't read the thread very closely at all, and did not bother to ISO Mini, it indicates a lack of interest in solving.

I'm fine with this for a bit, I don't quite understand what are you all fighting so energetically about though

This post comes in while shelly is warring against Jacko/I. I really don't like this one, it's like trying to play the calm mediator, it just rubs me the wrong way but I can't exactly articulate why.

saude you think we are TvT then?

it's way too early for me to tell what alignment either of you are

Eh, not even any preliminary thoughts on the top two posters at the time?

see shelly was just a hungry girl that explains her overall angry attitude and inconsistent mood swings on everyone

it seems like she knows shes town therefore anyone scumreading her must be scum because shes such an obvious town player from her point of view

Then, these posts + 459 come out in defense of shelly. This is contradictory to his opinion in 310 where he says he's fine with a shelly wagon. I don't if this is protecting a scum buddy or a white knight, but it rubs me wrong way, because I don't like any of the reasons for the defense.

Hmmmmmmm i dont like grendel

I may be wrong but did he just shade every single active slot in one way or another

Why the "I may be wrong"? So non-committal.

it's been a while since two people have voted me in a game, what a wonderful feeling

Trying to show he doesn't care. Maybe he town!him actually doesn't? but it's plausible this is scum!him faking it

Overall I'd say this is a scumread after doing that.

what was the motivation for doing this jester? it seems like you were searching for an excuse to scumread someone rather than trying to sort someone.

redados and jester are topscum for me at this point.

VOTE: jester
but id also be happy to vote redados

Really not a fan of this post.
Ironically it feels like you're trying to find an excuse yourself to scumread Jester here. And your read seems too strong based on that flimsy evidence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Swifty reply from Taylor Swift.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It feels like there hasn't been any really consequential scumhunting at all in these entire forty-two pages. Nobody has made behavior with actual stakes. I don't know if I can confidently eliminate even a single pair of scumbuddies with any degree of confidence.

Seriously? What about Jacko/I pushing shelly, or shelly pushing Grendel/Jacko? You have nothing for associations despite all that?

Simply put, without any real stakes for those events, I can't confidently say their scum play would deviate in any way from their town play. People react primarily to incentives. I don't think there have been any plausible consequences for any single person in this game so far.

The one possible exception is shelly's fake IC reveal, but that's only true since shelly didn't make it as obviously a joke as it was. But that's not helpful either, since town or scum would react to an IC reveal in the exact same way there, so we don't get any real information about JV from it. We are still quintessentially in RVS.

Honestly, I think this Saudade wagon carries at least one or two scum on it. I think that if I had more time, I'd go over the wagon and really look at people's reasons for voting onto it. But in the mean time, we need to accelerate the pace of voting and making meaningful decisions in this game. Nonsense decisions don't yield information. Nonsense plays don't yield information. Town and scum play quite similarly so long as we expect that they're playing well. Scum players have an incentive to look like town, so that they aren't elimm'd. Town PRs have an incentive to look slightly scummy, so that they aren't NK'd. Vanilla townies have an incentive to look like Town PR's so that they get NK'd instead of the PRs, which means they have an incentive to look slightly scummy as well. Playing towards the 'middle' of the block is a conveniently viable strategy for all players.

However, there are plays which can be made which have fundamentally different consequences for scum than they do for town. Analyzing how people react to these plays are the only way to get actually concrete information about the game state.

—The later votes on a wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum are more likely to turn a wagon on a townie into a viable wagon.)

—Shifting off of a heavy wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum are more likely to find reasons to abandon a scum wagon.)

—Heavily pushing a viable wagon. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the wagon. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum will not heavily push the wagon of scum and are more likely to heavily push a town wagon.)

—Hammering or declaring intent to hammer. (Reason: scum know the outcome of the final vote. The only way scum wins is by creating enough mislims. Scum may be willing to hammer a townie for weaker reasons. Scum are generally unwilling to hammer scum unless the town is already resolved in their target, in which case they'd quite like to hammer scum.)

—Claims. (Reason: scum are likely to claim a PR to survive the day, but unlikely to get NK'd in retribution. Scum may claim a PR that is very unlikely to appear in conjunction with an existing town PR, in which case a CC can secure a 1-for-1 trade at worst which is very town favorable on average.)

In order to run into any of these plays, it is essentially a requirement that there must be a player who could plausibly be elimmed. I don't like the Saudade wagon but we aren't going to learn anything about the game state with all the wagons hovering around E-3 or worse. To advance the game state to a point where we can actually get concrete information from the role reveals on elim and at night phase, we need to be making sure that the wagons are non-trivial.

TL;DR

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have fishy vibes on Taylor rn. Can anyone agree with me here?

Well yeah, i agree with u.
Don't know how u feel about 3rd scum candidate agreeing with you on that tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my experience, when Tayl0r is obvscum they're obvscum. Dunno how they play as town yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tayl0r Swift is now a likely scumbuddy if saudade flips scum (supports the competing wagon). Tayl0r Swift is essentially confirmed town if Redados flips scum.

This seems a bit too lenient? Because bussing exists and if scum views Redados an an vanity wagon then they might vote there to switch back later. Or maybe it’s even TvT wagons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@norway I want a read on redados asap.
also a general readslist wouldnt hurt

I can post reads later, as for Redados i haven’t really paid much attention to them. But i do not TR them and could easily compromise there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's really hard for me to get a grip in this game, because there are so many players playing aggressively and making these pushes but i don't really understand it well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee you dont understand why I am SRing redados?

Yes, it seems to me like you’re tunneling/being too aggressive so i’m not sure how trustworthy your read is.
Can you just make a TL;DR of why exactly Redados has been scummy? What’s your main point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either scum working together or it's scum!UNOwen taking advantage of a TvT Noraa vs me conflict

I like this thought from you.
It shows you're considering multiple possibilities.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rather than just making up an agenda and focusing on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been on the fence about it. But i think i'm ready to admit that i don't really agree with the Redados wagon. I'm thinking he's town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Redados is using TSTBS and he literally says it himself in that spoiler. Look how his SRs on Uno and I stand while his SRs on Taylor and Shelly start to falter. This is OMGUSing at its finest. Your don't need to reply a "+1" to everyone that says something in ur favor. It just ends up looking like u want to make sure they know u saw it which is just not a good look here. You have zero new points. You literally can't think up anything new to accuse me of because there is no more. I'm not taking it personally however you explained it multiple times and my conclusion was that u SR me for no reason except my playstyle. I'll be untunneling for now not bc I don't think u r scum anymore but bc I slightly agree with Taylor now that I should try to consider a town!redados world. My brain isn't liking it however I admit there is a slight possibility that he is town and in that case, I would be utterly wrong in my reads and would have to reevaluate everything. So I am untunneling and looking for scum elsewhere. However I still stan a redados wagon and think he's scum.

I feel like ur just making out whatever he says to be scum indicative.
Has he done anything you think is townie?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's good that you re-evaluate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Redados town, Noraa probably tunneling town.
If this is correct then i like Taylor a bit more as well. I'm getting a tiny bit of a different vibe from them than Noir (Which i can start openly quoting now since the game ended). They were scum in that game so my gut is that they must be town in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

TSTBS + OMGUS = battle of the buzzwords?

??????? untunneling for no reason? idk what tf this is, sounds like scum backtracking

Not liking this post, looks like scum!Shelly shading Noraa for stopping to tunnel a slot. (Which is actully pretty townie from Noraa imo.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

@redados so you're null on taylor?

noraa's subtly shading me
what if this whole thing redadosvnoraa was scum theatre

VOTE: Noraa

I kinda think noraa's scummier than redados based off the reactions, noraa just seems insincere moreso than redados. i think redados IIOA is still scummy. considering scum theatre possibility

Scum theatre my ass.
VOTE: ShellyC

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townblocks are trash

Wtf is this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How can a couple of pages of post be so bad that i completely stop townreading a slot even a little bit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackson Shelly is probably TvT and you two should shake hands and stop.

like, your trajectory on me makes zero sense because you randomly go from TR->vote for no reasoning at all???

Your playstyle has been really annoying too either way. It's ironic that you talk about trajectory when it seems like you go from shouting to one person to the next with no clear logic behind the progression.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wtf is this.

i dont really like attempts to openly make townblocks? just gives scum the opportunity to infiltrate them from what i have seen

You clearly don't understand how townblocking works.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow.
Convincing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jester has been describing reasons he finds Redados townie though, do you have a response to those?

[NorwegianboyEE]

reddish: reddados, grendel (taylor was better), mini,

This solve might be correct, but if it is, it's boring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Omg, can we please compromise on an elimination soon.
I’m going to need some flips and wagons to get better reads in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Redados has the most votes? If i’m not wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but i think Saudade was sufficiently scummy pre-VLA to justify having him as a wagon.
I would like for him to return soon though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No i mean it's an unpopular opinion to wagon someone that's inactive/VLA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, shelly is efforting so much that she'll hopefully just spew herself as town/scum further down the line. It really does feel like this is her scummeta based on what I've seen, mostly from stuff she did early on, buuuut I'll shelve this for a bit.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Idk what i'm doing so i guess i'll sheep you. Tayl0r has been firm null for me anyway so not a bad place for me to place my vote.
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[NorwegianboyEE]

PlusJoyed you scumread Tayl0r. Wanna join this wagon? It seems better than Redados.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is shifting to a different wagon scummy, Plusjoyed did state they scumread Taylor earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if reddados flips red NE is highly likely to be scum because he's trying to derail a red wagon

I think i’ve described my reasoning of why i townread Redados quite well.
Do you believe my justification is bad since you are apparently convinced i’m highly likely to be scum if Redados is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just wanted an elimination

[NorwegianboyEE]

[2] Tayl0r Swift: Odd Day Jester, NorwegianboyEE
[2] Saudade: MiniMegabyte, duppin
[2] Redados: UNOwen, PlusJOYED
[1] shellyc: Mundivore
[1] Noraa: bugspray
[1] MiniMegabyte: Saudade
[1] UNOwen: Redados
[1] duppin: Tayl0r Swift
[1] PlusJOYED: Noraa

This is an ridiculous VC for 60 pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i think the scumteam is somewhere in reddados, NB, taylor, mini or possibly duppin or even UN.

You changed your read on me real fast.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already stated Redados was townie while you were saying i'm town.
Why am i now scummy for keeping up the same reads i've had.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It looks to me like some BS vote count logic scum likes to use.
VOTE: PlusJOYED

[NorwegianboyEE]

PlusJoyed setting up this dichotomy about Redados flip being vital to solve me and other slots is genuinely awful and scummy as heck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

PlusJoyed setting up this dichotomy about Redados flip being vital to solve me and other slots is genuinely awful and scummy as heck.

trying to derail a wagon that probably has scum in it is a pretty big scumtell bro

Then tell me why Redados is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is probably omgussy but i don't care, there's actually like no way i can see NB being town so I'm gonna shoot my shot for now
UNVOTE:
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

It is very Omgussy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

starting a new wagon like noraa said and going being super hungry for an elim is also sus
i might even SR NB more than reddaddos hmmm

You're right. Town would want this game to go on for 50 more pages of useless BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Starting a new wagon on someone you scumread? OMG so scummyyyy

[NorwegianboyEE]

notice how NB changed the subject too when I bought it up

Wtf r u talking about lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Apparently PLusjoyed thinks i was defending and deflecting Redados and they were scumreading REDADOS SO HARD. That they'd rather vote me than Redados.
Also you just started a new wagon on me (!) According to your logic that is SUS!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ohh you're making me feel angry.
Gonna need a break.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not only are your reads awful, but you're pushing them with divisive language.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The way un scumhunts and asks questions while also being lenient screams town to me. I can make a walk why at some point later

He's probably scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ITS NOT DUCKING THERE NORAA

also NB i explained why I suspected reddados already, you should focus less on keeping your team alive and more on not being obvscum

Norwee quote ur points where u said redados was town pls

1221, 1319

[NorwegianboyEE]

And also Jester pointed stuff out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mostly combative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Redados has no case on me. He's literally just OMGUSing me to hell and back. I admire scum!Redados' courage to not backpedal but all his arguments are just "Noraa is scum. Why? Just because she is"

Ok i will cave in on the basis that it's the leading wagon and i think you're more townie than him right now, so screw it.
VOTE: Redados
Can't wait for the inevitable "omg he's bussing his scum teammate!" comment from PlusJoyed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shut up! Ur scum!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so interested in Duppin

[NorwegianboyEE]

not only is everyone ignoring my posts about duppin, but everyone is giving duppin a pass for refusing to engage me.

To be fair, there has been a lot of noise and people tunneling. So it's easy for things to get lost in the pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, if Duppin is scum he's the type of player i'd never catch D1.
He just seems really chill and gentlemanlike.

[NorwegianboyEE]

odds of {norwee, plus, duppin}?

What, like a team?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, if Duppin is scum he's the type of player i'd never catch D1.
He just seems really chill and gentlemanlike.

thats totally NAI. can you please read the iso and tell me what you think?

Nothing really sticks out to me as super scummy from my skim of his ISO.
Maybe some of his townreads could be TMI, but that's it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was a bit weird that he brought up that "Hm maybe replacements got replaced because they figured out one was scum...?" which doesn't really make sense to me.
What kind of thought is that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

also and this is such a garbage read but i just cant help myself and no one should try to pursue it but part of me can't help but wonder if jackson and mini replaced out because one of them accidently learned the others alignment in which case it would make sense if they already replaced out, but i just think it would be even more likely if the alignment was scum. but yeah this is just a non sense theory for post game

This post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also and this is such a garbage read but i just cant help myself and no one should try to pursue it but part of me can't help but wonder if jackson and mini replaced out because one of them accidently learned the others alignment in which case it would make sense if they already replaced out, but i just think it would be even more likely if the alignment was scum. but yeah this is just a non sense theory for post game

This post.

ok good thats a strange post but to me its just ??
that doesnt help me sort duppin without more context. does that ping you one way or another? if so, why?

Idk, i want him to explain what made him think the thoughts he did there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what do you think of duppin's scumreads?

Idk, he seems to be voting Saudade mainly so there's not much to say about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway Taylor, if you want people to vote Duppin then case him. Because i'm not convinced he is more scummy than a plethora of other players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This "TAKE A LOOK AT HIS ISO AND TELL ME YOU DON'T SEE IT???!" approach isn't really all that convincing to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mainly because ISO digging is boring to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yep. It's in the records for all eternity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

<--- THIS GUY

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree. I see some soft tunneling from him on Saudade which is a bit strange. Saudade has posted so few posts and duping kinda just strikes me as a player that saw saudade as a lil sus or easy limbait(depending on alignment) and basically skimmed everything else and decided to cling to saudade and not let go for the life of him.

Hmm yeah i think that might be suspicious that he hasn't voted anyone other than Saudade for an eternity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah honestly, i've never lost faith in the Saudade wagon.
But he got into a VLA so now nobody will eliminate him. That's just bad luck for town really. Gives scum an excuse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i actually agree with Tayl0r about the fact that a vote on Saudade is useless.
My will to eliminate Saudade is probably stronger than anyone else here, but there's no point trying to garner support for a V/LA elimination. It goes against site culture, nobody will do it even if it's the most scummy slot in existence. You'd need a cop guilty or something to convince.
So it would be better if Duppin switched to someone that is actually feasible to be voted today and can respond to accusations.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When Saudade reps out and if i'm still alive i will re-visit the slot though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not gonna lie, i'm real tired about these "Player X is 100% scum!" posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

hey sorry, I've been feeling off for a while, haven't checked the thread in a couple of days. Catching up now.

You poor soul.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't waste your breath. I'm town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

if ur town and no one else is really scumreading you, why are you afraid?

Why are you calling me afraid, are you shading?

[NorwegianboyEE]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
Ok.

Now to start scumreading you five minutes later, oh wait that's Plusjoyed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway I'm trying to account for my possible confbias/emotion against you but you aren't helping your case

I've seen literally nothing from you that suggested you were reconsidering anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Odd jester is an universal TR.
Everyone sheeps Odd jester= no scum can manipulate the wagons.

Let's just do that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Odd jester is an universal TR.
Everyone sheeps Odd jester= no scum can manipulate the wagons.

Let's just do that.

says scum manipulating the wagon

Would you look at that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee is pushing everyone to lunch me without even scumreading me!

I don't townread you. And Jester made good points on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And you're just another one of those people that keep derailing wagons, i wanna lynch everyone who does that right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

after looking back through your iso i can find no evidence that you scumread me.

I don't townread you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow you guys, that’s Hectic?
What a shocking plot twist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now i can explain why i TR Duppin.
Our argument on him voting Hectic seemed like something scum wouldn’t bother with. I really liked how he kept his stance of voting Odd-Day Jester for policy reasons. It’s the kind of silly argument scum likely wouldn’t bother with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hectic too seems like their usual town self.
They don’t scumread me though which is slightly odd, since when does town!Hectic not scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i don’t like Taylors push on Duppin at all. So that’s one of the reasons i’m ok voting there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which game(s) gave you this impression?

Open 795 Noir.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah Tayl0r talking about progression when they went from scum to townreading Duppin for completely ?? reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It might just be that this game is boring as balls right now.
Did you consider that one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

backtracking is not inherently scummy.

So i'm not scummy then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Taylor so full of shit it's actually getting a bit entertaining.

[NorwegianboyEE]

backtracking is not inherently scummy.

So i'm not scummy then.

im not accusing you of backtracking. im accusing you of not having a natural read progression.
backtracking is not *inherently* scummy. fence-sitting and frequent changing of opinions is anti-town when you dont explain your reads, because it means you can fill in reasoning ex post and its hard to hold you to your reads. its scummy when theres no evidence of a natural thought progression: townies might change their minds but theres a pattern to their thinking. scum have to make up scumreads as they go so they have incongruent thought progressions

There's only one thing for certain in this world. And that's the fact that Odd Day Jester, Duppin and Noraa are town.
I would vote for anyone else today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

backtracking is not inherently scummy.

So i'm not scummy then.

im not accusing you of backtracking. im accusing you of not having a natural read progression.
backtracking is not *inherently* scummy. fence-sitting and frequent changing of opinions is anti-town when you dont explain your reads, because it means you can fill in reasoning ex post and its hard to hold you to your reads. its scummy when theres no evidence of a natural thought progression: townies might change their minds but theres a pattern to their thinking. scum have to make up scumreads as they go so they have incongruent thought progressions

There's only one thing for certain in this world. And that's the fact that Odd Day Jester, Duppin and Noraa are town.
I would vote for anyone else today.

ok vote mundivore then

You have more votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, I'm trying to blatantly kill you

That's what i like about you Odd Day Jester.
Direct and to the point.
Unlike these talky balky types that go in circles for an eternity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have an idea for your next gimmick account jester.
"Fence-sitty mc fencepost"
The guy that never takes a side on ANYTHING.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m willing to bet a lot of credibility on Taylor!scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Someone’s grumpy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Weird thing to say though.
If i’m scum and get a mislynch on you here. Shouldn’t my credibility go up after the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My first town game finished. Go get meta if u want it. Newbie something ANCIENT ARTHROPODS

Oho,.
This really cute.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not really voting Tayl0r for a claim though, i'm voting because i think they're scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In my notes I wrote that I thought it was weird duppin is still voting on saud who has not posted in like at least 4 days

Is that the only reason you voting Duppin?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa, Duppin. If you two voted Taylor now we'd have 1 scum down.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa, Duppin. If you two voted Taylor now we'd have 1 scum down.

Norwee are you certain Taylor is scum here? Cuz I'm seriously not feeling a scum!Taylor here

Yes, i’m actually quite convinced of it.
Why do you think they are town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow.
A meta read, really.

[NorwegianboyEE]

actually hm it kind of feels to me like tayl0r has accepted she is getting limmed

++

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also that awkward moment when Taylor was scumreading Duppin. And then when i said i really didn’t see scum!Duppin she said Duppin was town and started tunelling me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can really see the two primary problem posters when checking the activity list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At the moment I believe that bugspray, Jester, Norwee and UNOwen are all town.

Idk about UNowen yet, but the rest. Sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i think it really shows Taylor hasn’t been scum hunting, just looking for the next mislynch.
Rolling scum twice in both our games tho Taylor. That’s gotta hurt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where am i contradicting myself, i’ve literally stated why i believe you are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

All you’re doing is fearmongering.
"I always get scumread"
Waa waa waa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Literally exactly the same you did last game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I went from nullreading to scumreading you.
Wow such an weird progression my god.

Lol, i don’t need to engage with your case because there’s nothing of value.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meanwhile you went from acting weird and creepy as hell about Duppin slot before deciding to just townread him for literally no reason and conclude that i’m scum from it, probably because your Duppin shade wasn’t working and you saw Plusjoyed tunnel me and decided to make me your new target.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh that’s really interesting Taylor. Because i’m an informed role and i’ve been specifically told this setup has an mafia doctor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Rolestopper is essentially an doctor except it also makes the target ascetic for that night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It could be confirmed if an targeting role could not succesfully target whoever Taylor rolestops that night. But because this is D1 and has been claimed already it will be hard to confirm.
If town scum might be able to mess with results.
If scum they can claim someone might have messed with results.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well it’s a better claim than if you’d said you were just an regular doctor. It wouldn’t make much sense for you to add the ascetic part.
UNVOTE: