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[TheFourEyedDude]

Hello! Bully time here.

VOTE: the worst

Return to ducks! Jolly good!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Good things that are town:
1. Not voting for meats at a butcher
2. Being a duck
3. Washing your hands
4. Brushing your teeth
5. Not being Australian.

[TheFourEyedDude]

The hunt of a meat beast is the greatest thing a man can do to be manly outside of being a proud Progressive from the Republican Party.

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: lilith

[TheFourEyedDude]

Lavar may not be good at jokes but he is good at washing his hands, a townie trait.

[TheFourEyedDude]

When your are as well read and informed as I, you vote people who vote poorly

[TheFourEyedDude]

Oh, my a typographical error.

[TheFourEyedDude]

i need to go do work so just thought i'd make myself obvtown and obliterate some scums before i did

Please begin now! BULLY!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Someone was unstuck in time! BULLY!

[TheFourEyedDude]

It's not my fault the Republican Party has lost its way and it's now led by a piece of shit madman!

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

[TheFourEyedDude]

Vote for bad voters!

[TheFourEyedDude]

With your eyes!

[TheFourEyedDude]

I don't believe that was a mistake

[TheFourEyedDude]

It's times like these I regret not being on my main as the joke I want to make is out of character for me.

Bully

[TheFourEyedDude]

No one is a bad ass as Scum, just bad!

[TheFourEyedDude]

The worst may join the town block!

[TheFourEyedDude]

While I do not enjoy Zombie's gimmick, I don't think it will be useful to vote him/her when a town player essentially said that there was no lynch to be had there and it's just to get him/her to drop the gimmick. No real pressure anymore

[TheFourEyedDude]

I've read you and you are in the town block.

[TheFourEyedDude]

The Worst, LavarManos

Something_Smart has a provisional membership.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

tell me why

169

I think my words there say enough

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would use All Might!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Also, sometimes I accidentally post and decide to read it like Sam the Eagle! Which is not the appropriate voice for me!

[TheFourEyedDude]

So InnocentVillager posted like reads on page two in a game i played with him last time, and got butthurt when i called his reads shit and proceeded to tunnel me for the rest of day 1.
Here he’s voting me immediately for a meme reason which kinda feels like scum: "hey, i’m acting normal! Voting someone i’ve played with before! ;P" which is kind of a scum entrance tbh.
FOS on IV for now. He’s also playing kinda memey. Sausage the "brilliant player" you’ve got an keen eye son.

hmmmm

This is not an accurate summary of Open 787? I was obviously meme-tunneling you and just went with it for strategical reasons

I don't get how voting a player a know is AI?

Memeing is probably not AI for me, and if it is it probably leans town? Like I memed the whole D1 in our game (obviously was pretty different)? Idk self meta tho what do i know

This is gross.

VOTE: innocentvillager

[TheFourEyedDude]

You have been self-meta to town read yourself the whole game, it's gross.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I personally don’t think this my opening has been outside of my scum range? if that’s what you’re wondering

[TheFourEyedDude]

The question mark says otherwise to me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

It invites the former duck to show why you are town here since it is outside of your scum range, according to him, and by extension, if he makes a good enough case, you.

Getting others to meta you on demand is the same in my book.

[TheFourEyedDude]

can you indulge my curiosity about manos though

I have said enough for an inquisitive mind to determine why my read is so confident.

[TheFourEyedDude]

The way I play, every person is a scum suspect until they clear as town. However, I feel as if there is some good bets for scum in Nep, BillyPilgrim and Norway so far, and one super secret read which I need more time to be sure of.

I am much more confident in my town block than anything else, tough.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

tell me why

169

I think my words there say enough

Lets say this doesnt mean anything to me. Who did Lavar vote that was voting poorly?

I never said Lavar voted someone who was voting poorly, I voted for people who were voting poorly.

[TheFourEyedDude]

For the record, I don't know who IV is voting for, I am voting him for what I view as possibly a scum slot.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Do not confuse someone joining a wagon with them withdrawing a question.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

tell me why

169

I think my words there say enough

Lets say this doesnt mean anything to me. Who did Lavar vote that was voting poorly?

I never said Lavar voted someone who was voting poorly, I voted for people who were voting poorly.

Ok, you were asked to explain why "you would bet your life that Lavar was town." You referred us to 169 and said "I think my words there say enough."

Those words referred to you voting people that voted poorly. So now I'm going to ask again, why is Lavar town?

If you do not understand it, I believe the issue may be on the side of the reader, rather than the side of the author.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Perhaps it will be clarified at a later time if you do not understand it at this time.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Didn't you say it?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I can tell you, he is not pocketing me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I will say, I would legitimately prefer my own lynch to his.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Oops, I mean elimination

[TheFourEyedDude]

I am not on you

[TheFourEyedDude]

My support for the rule change on my main was also noted though and I need to be better.

[TheFourEyedDude]

VLA until Monday, please

[TheFourEyedDude]

any reads

IV, sausage, Nep, Lavar, TFED are my townreads

Why IV and Nep?

[TheFourEyedDude]

SD, who would you elim right now?

[TheFourEyedDude]

SD, who would you elim right now?

This should be SS. Autocorrect

[TheFourEyedDude]

Hello, has anyone played any games with Sirius that are complete in which he did not engage during day 1?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I've lost track of my gimmick the past few days. Bully

[TheFourEyedDude]

timestamps

this is a thing i do sometimes when people have really interesting thoughts very quickly, or have thoughts that feel contemplated sometimes and took Time
i wonder if i accidentally taught IV this trick

If that were true, IV's stamps would be upside down!

AUSTRALIA JOKE!

[TheFourEyedDude]

what reads would you push

My townreads. Most confident in them RN.

Why would you need to push your townreads, they are not being wagoned???
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I believe you misread this.

[TheFourEyedDude]

As someone who was told to participate more properly, I know not what Saudade wants from people he asked to participate more properly, at this time.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I did research, Sirius' only completed game is a town game where he made two posts then apparently never came back. It seems this slot is going to be a black hole for the game if he continues to prod dodge alone.

I am considering the cost benefit analysis of eliminating him as a policy early on to avoid a prod dodging slot alone.

I will mull this over for the time being,s I have not yet decided where I fall on this particular issue.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Who is tws?

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Sirius

I tend to agree with Unah on this issue. I don't think we will ever get content from the slot, so, town or scum, it is a net town benefit to eliminate.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Four how are those reads coming though
Grudgingly objectively correct votes aside

I am sorting people.

I think Unabombah is a pretty good addition to the townblock, as is lilith, PoE is at work, here.

I'm feeling better about S_S's membership in there.

A little worse on the worst's as I realize now how long it has been since I played so, waiting for him to town tell might not have been as effective as it was around a year and a half ago, but, still, I think I see it. Then again, he also hasn't scum told at all, but he may have improved.

I am also not sure exactly what people mean by stiffness.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Townblock, of course, has to change as time goes on in the event I am wrong on any reads, I might be a true progressive, but I'm not perfect.

Right now, though, no one I have brought into the townblock has done anything to make me question it too much.

[TheFourEyedDude]

18 months ago ..... wild
that was like nearly half my mafia career ago I think
no, I don't feel inclined to towntell the way I did back then

Una should be town here yeah. Lilith has a pretty respectable chance. What's your townfore looking like I'll critique it

Update to the timeline, the last game I recalled playing with you was back in 2018.

Perhaps my former ability to read you is not as reliable as I originally perceived, however, your slot, holding to the same standards as non-duck players, is also not as troubling as others, even with the distance in time between myself and my memory.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Rereading the thread earlier this morning, Norweej does seem as if he could be trying to do more buddying than anything else. Perhaps on multiple people.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Townblock, of course, has to change as time goes on in the event I am wrong on any reads, I might be a true progressive, but I'm not perfect.

Right now, though, no one I have brought into the townblock has done anything to make me question it too much.

I have no objections to your townreads
Do you have an opinion on me and norwee

As stated earlier, Norwee seems to be doing more of buddying than any actual work here. I'm hesitant on him.

I'm mostly null on you. You haven't done anything I see as objectively townie or scummy to my recollection, so, I'm still considering this one. I haven't seen anything from my townreads to particularly sway me to you being scum, however, I would not fight for you to not be eliminated if it came down to that or no elimination.

[TheFourEyedDude]

The mafia will not suddenly take pity on us and remove Sirius from the game if his play is like this over the course of the entire game.

Foo Fighters album cover (gray and yellow with two F's, probably what you were thinking of)

Concrete and Gold

Muse album cover (yellow with field-goal thingies)

Origin of Symmetry?

BULLY!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Would it help you if you knew, or do you not really care, Una?

[TheFourEyedDude]

* FourEyes would probably be a stronger read for me, but I only just realized at the end of my catchup that
A) they sort of disappeared from all of the interactions around the time most of my reads on others started to take shape
B) TW pointed out that they DID have a tone and theme to their posting as well, and it might've affected my read earlier. I need to work on this read, but it's probably going to be D2 for me.

I was VLA this weekend, sir.

We'll need a boxing match for this one!

I'll see you in the ring!

[TheFourEyedDude]

And consider this - no matter their alignment, scum are not going to kill them during a night-phase. Never. Why would they?

Stealing my ideas now to pass off as your own!

The ring awaits!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Care about the illusive identity of Zombie Apocalypse!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Certainly a good name to have and a good name to believe!

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Policy lynch.

Bad

[TheFourEyedDude]

By the way, a game just completed where Sirius did this day 1 and was scum.

I sure hope NorwegianboyEE would be ready to tell us why he is so convinced the slot actually flips town.

[TheFourEyedDude]

He barely participated day 1. I don't see anything that is indicative of "being concerned with being perceived as town"

343 is his first post with any content that seems to "attempt to appear town" made 4 days into the game, its the only time he posts anything of note on Day 1.

I don't see how this is at all dissimilar, we are, right now, 4 days in. He had been prodded once at that point, here, he was prrodded once.

I don't see how you are not seeing this and choosing to ignore very similar circumstances for one Day 1 post.

[TheFourEyedDude]

You had him at the bottom of your list as trash, then townread him based on his continuing to do nothing, and its only now that you bring the newbie into it
Its not a real read

Can you please link the post where this list exists, I do not feel like rereading to find it, to be fully honest.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Perhaps the author is not as clear as he believes.

[TheFourEyedDude]

IThink that Unabombah has a good point.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Nep was never even on the Sirius wagon.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I was going to say, let's see if he just never shows up from the prod, but was mistaken about the fact that he has already done that.

Unrelated, but I also almost accidentally revealed my main. Thanks to 1819[/post and [post]1820 I am still a secret alt.

[TheFourEyedDude]

That tag is broken. BULLY!

[TheFourEyedDude]

If you two don't like bread, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe if I put in cake?

[TheFourEyedDude]

You two are dense, maybe baked goods are no good for you.

[TheFourEyedDude]

The two dense ones, you and pooky.

I mean, if you can't figure out this one, I just can't help you two.

[TheFourEyedDude]

No, no, I'm not, genius. Try reading.

Just try to use your brain, that I assume God didn't forget to put in your head and read.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Good fucking God.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I never said you were whiteknighting Sirius, you keep claiming that, but it never happened. I said you were incorrect and you have incorrectly compared this game to Newbie 2022.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Since with a hard pr claim I'm not drawing the night lol with my heavy cringing, I'll just out myself.

Informed townie N_M, and previously Lavar, is town. That's my usefulness. Elim me to make N_M IC, I guess.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I even made an intentional typo before where I said IT

[TheFourEyedDude]

I've been crumbing a PR quite hard to try to draw the Night Kill and IC Lavar slot, but the plan fails with a hard Pr claim

[TheFourEyedDude]

Once informed flips for me, I made it quite obvious what the information I had was, I believe

[TheFourEyedDude]

Good things that are town:
1. Not voting for meats at a butcher
2. Being a duck
3. Washing your hands
4. Brushing your teeth
5. Not being Australian.

First crumb was before Lavar posted using my limited Spanish knowledge

[TheFourEyedDude]

Also let me be a brat and say that I felt certain that Nep was going to claim PR.

This is interesting, considering that Nep clearly softed VT and that's why my vote is still on her.

I was purposely trying to sound like a VT bc unlike what most of site meta seems to think softing your pr all over the place is fucking dumb
Fours plan makes sense bc he wanted to die

I would still decide to make a long speech after the attempt, though. I guess I'd have to cut the parts I can't read due to my own blood and bullet holes on and in the speech itself.

Still think a Sirius lynch is a good idea, engagement is now sub par.

[TheFourEyedDude]

UNVOTE:

Whomever replaces the dog will get a chance from me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Waterdispnsor

Well, that was a fair chance, I think.

[TheFourEyedDude]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki ... %C3%A9mon)

[TheFourEyedDude]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki ... %C3%A9mon)

Well, this link is broken, let's try again.

Umbreon

[TheFourEyedDude]

Can someone give me a 100 by 100 pic of a water dispenser?

I will not resize for you.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Water seems to be intent on proving his predecessor is town rather than perform as town. I do not like this.

[TheFourEyedDude]

We have three and a quarter days remaining, I recently bought Crusader Kings III and Monster Train is getting an update tomorrow.

Can we work together to get a consensus elimination so that I can dedicate the majority of my three day weekend to video games?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I can see some situations where it is benevolent for a town PR to not reveal what PR they are, for instance, a bulletproof claim on Day 1, it would be a good idea to reveal PR, but not the PR itself.

However, I do see the issue here with a PR claim alone.

I need some time to think on this more.

[TheFourEyedDude]

can we wagon norweej then?

Sure.

VOTE: Norwwej

[TheFourEyedDude]

This is E-3, I believe.

[TheFourEyedDude]

And on the hundredth page, we have an interaction that shows that lilith is consistent with what she's been saying for just about 40 pages?

Good use of most of 25 posts.

[TheFourEyedDude]

In 100 pages, we have a PoE pool which is fairly consistent amongst the townier players, no consensus on which in the PoE pool to eliminate today or even much discussion with each other rather than over each other.

I would say this is a preview for the presidential debates, however, there is just a clear option for elimination there.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Reads would necessarily change with flips. A PoE today can mean nothing if certain flips come out, however, the general feeling currently seems to be that many have gotten all they can get out of day 1 at this point because several players seem too apathetic to fully read the thread and participate.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Ironically, we still have many posts, so I am just not sure how we continually get multiple posts from Norwee that say "I can't post more than surface, I need live interaction, I will now vanish"

[TheFourEyedDude]

The issue right now of flips is it has become apparent that my town reads mainly fall into the wanting to flip Nep and wanting to flip you.

I am highly hesitant to flip a PR claim Day 1, no one seems as interested as I am still to flip the Sirius slot.

The conf town is the pinkmoocow, so, while I would want to vote with him since he is voting where I would also prefer to vote, I cannot exactly rely on him to pull any real weight towards my preferred flip. Therefore, this is truly a compromise position for me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

@foureyes, want to return to the sirius slot?

At this point, only if there is further support. It would still be just E-3 with our two votes and several seem hesitant now

[TheFourEyedDude]

Goodness, my whiplash!

[TheFourEyedDude]

I think the issue people are forgetting with the POE stuff is that if there is deep scum, they still need to perform night kills, so, they will be faced with either eliminating strong town voices, thereby eventually outing which could be the deepscum, or they will need to eliminate the elimbaits. For instance, a good thing for town with N_M being IC status is that he is usually elimbait, which will not happen on my watch, as I insist that if you want to eliminate N_M on any day, you must eliminate me first.

[TheFourEyedDude]

@Mod VLA until Monday as well.

I'm a bit taken aback by how every wagon outside of the Nep one suddenly stalls around E-3. I think that is more town indicative of Nep than anything else, though.

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Billy Pilrgim the deadline is quickly approaching, E-2

[TheFourEyedDude]

There is no town benefit in not eliminating today and Billy is closer to elimination that Norway. Therefore, I am voting Billy. I'm not sold on any case regarding him but he is also not solidly in a town block for me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: Norwee in case we have not yet eliminated

[TheFourEyedDude]

Oh, poo, the deadline was 6:22, not 7:22. Poo, indeed

[TheFourEyedDude]

I believe a block would resolve before a stop.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Resolution

That being said, VOTE: Nep

[TheFourEyedDude]

Why would a neopolitan and a role cop both be in town?

UNVOTE:

Someone smarter than me explain

[TheFourEyedDude]

I don't know how up to date this is.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[TheFourEyedDude]

I do believe we should have a discussion before the end of the day as to whether a rolecop and a neopolitan make sense as two town roles.

We have a mod confirmed rolecop in the setup, an informed townie, we likely have either a tracker or a rolestopper, and perhaps a roleblocker on the side of the mafia, and now a neopolitan claim on limited nights. The neopolitan claim seems out of place to me.

I am not saying that Nep is a bad elimination, in fact, I back it for this day as it stands, but, I'm not ready to end without a discussion of Zombie's claim after a rolecop flip. It seems that once we have a full fledged rolecop, the limited night neopolitan is simply a lower utility to town.

I feel as if that is a scum claim. He may very well have the ability, but it is in favor of the mafia, if he does.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I want to vote for the Zombie slot but I am aware that N_M is here and despite being town, I fully believe he will hammer this before the player has an opportunity to respond to the question of the legitimacy of his claim

[TheFourEyedDude]

there’s nothing stopping him from being a scum neapolitan?

ding ding

I said this hours ago.

[TheFourEyedDude]

did zombie claim neapolitian? Like the ice cream? I'm gonna go look up what that does one sec

You confirmed your role pm. In a normal.

My vote is spiritually here

[TheFourEyedDude]

So, I'm about to go to bed. Unless anyone wants to have any further discussions today when I get up I will be voting on PlusJOYED. I do not want to end the day if we are at that point but if we are this is my intent to hammer. Good night all

[TheFourEyedDude]

I believe that plusJOYED is at E-2 without N_M on the wagon, so, basically, an E-1.

I am ready for the day to end, personally, but I feel like others may want more from the day.

Unless anyone has a compelling reason for this slot not to be elimmed, speak now or forever hold your piece.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Peace maybe?

I should have looked up that phrase beforehand.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I believe that plusJOYED is at E-2 without N_M on the wagon, so, basically, an E-1.

I am ready for the day to end, personally, but I feel like others may want more from the day.

Unless anyone has a compelling reason for this slot not to be elimmed, speak now or forever hold your peace.

This is correct, I used Goggle.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Some people don't know comedy.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I believe that plusJOYED is at E-2 without N_M on the wagon, so, basically, an E-1.

I am ready for the day to end, personally, but I feel like others may want more from the day.

Unless anyone has a compelling reason for this slot not to be elimmed, speak now or forever hold your piece.

I don't like this logic

Suppose I am town. I've replaced into a slot that fakeclaimed and my only way to prove is through townie behavior and efforts to solve. This would take that away before town could change their minds on killing me.

Suppose I am scum. Why not let the day play out for as long as possible so to let me have a chance to incriminate my partners?
Unless you're my scum partner, which would make the most sense, but I know that's not true in this case.

Either way, as omgussy as this sounds from me, I don't like this post one bit and pings me as scummy.

Or, the scum spend the rest of the day distancing from the obvscum. The fakeclaim was bad before it was revealed as a fakeclaim.

I do not see the town utility of such a claim on Day 2, because then he needs to fake an investigation result, which would later steer town the wrong direction.

I see no reason to waste time and allow you and your partners to muck up the waters. If people view this as scummy, they can vote me, which, notably, you have not done.

[TheFourEyedDude]

If you can get people actually on your side, I'll be impressed.

You don't need to explain your predecessor's play, but I don't need to give you a chance to pretend it didn't happen. The fact is, this is caught scum flailing.

[TheFourEyedDude]

why haven't you voted me yet 4 eyes? Are you wanting to protect your town image?

Because you are at E-2 with N_M off the wagon, and some smart town players may actually want to use more time. Just because I am ready to end doesn't mean I am going to right now.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Well, that clears up my spot, thanks for ending the bus, worst.

VOTE: plusJOYED

[TheFourEyedDude]

Okay

[TheFourEyedDude]

does that make u scum.....nah not really.
does it make joyed town.....yeah probably? I don't know help

Who are you talking to?

[TheFourEyedDude]

hear me out right I'm just like
confused
I can see an attempt at town motivation in the fakeclaim. it makes sense to try and draw scum attention in this setup. nightkills on a vt are cool, roleblocks on a vt are cool. I'm pretty null about the neap claim outside of thinking it was SILLY.
~doesnt talk about the replace out~
I can see a tension-averse and to some extent conflict-averse newbie (hi it's JOYED) replacing into a vt slot and being like "the fuck did my pred claim this thing?"

I'm not sure conflict/risk averse newbscum replaces into this slot and sees their pred has crumbed a believable fakeclaim well and just goes "lol oops I'm a vt",....like it disallows their to engage in shitty mechgaming and makes them more likely to die and idk

It wasn't a believable fakeclaim, though. We have mod confirmed Town rolecop in the setup, granted, dead now.

And I will say, I did forget until just now that the claim was night 2 and 3, not ungated, but I disagree that the withdrawal of the claim is the scummy part. The confirmed fake claim makes it worse, by far, but, if the point was to draw a NK, why didn't Elements just call more attention to it day 1? There's no need to fake the night 2 and 3 part unless you explicitly wanted something that happens on Night 2.

My guess is that it's a gated mafia role, like a Night 2 mafia strongman or night 2 mafia ninja, something like that.

We know that there is an RB from the issues before, and we also now know that there's a rolestopper and possibly a tracker, though the results could have been faked with the way the day played out. I just think this is a play to get that slot into the night 2, specifically.

[TheFourEyedDude]

We know that there is an RB from the issues before, and we also now know that there's a rolestopper and possibly a tracker, though the results could have been faked with the way the day played out. I just think this is a play to get that slot into the night 2, specifically.

do we know there's an rb?

I feel like the mod error was explicitly because of an RB/Rolestopper interaction, though, I guess something else might have been in play. That one is a little bit of a leap, though, I cannot think of any other roles which would cause said confusion, specifically, giving Nep a no result and then a result (Though, I am leaving open the possibility of a result different from the one claimed) when corrected.

[TheFourEyedDude]

why would switching your claim from a N2 tpr to a vt increase your chances of being alive for N2..... I don't think the claim was actually unbelievable if allowing for manipulative roles (which hey we have)

I don't think that plusJOYed realized it was their slot that made the claim, thus, locking it in when there was a claim of "having to look it up".

I think it was a mistake.

[TheFourEyedDude]

it’s possible they posted the question in thread about neapolitan before their partners saw that zombie had been replaced.

This.

[TheFourEyedDude]

PlusJOYED seems to genuinely have not paid attention to what slot they replaced into, overall.

I have seen several games where the scum do not even really use the thread for day talk as well. It's a mistake, but, it is what it is.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Interesting you have this completely wild theory which I'm not convinced you believe in and when someone else pops into the thread you'd rather hide behind them than engage with me

When one says exactly what I am thinking, why should I type it as well?

[TheFourEyedDude]

Interesting you have this completely wild theory which I'm not convinced you believe in and when someone else pops into the thread you'd rather hide behind them than engage with me

is this directed to four or me?

It's me.

[TheFourEyedDude]

cfj designed the setup btw. I checked to see how plausible it was that osuka mistook rolestop for roleblock.

Did not think of that one.

[TheFourEyedDude]

After a long and exhausting day 1, Day 2 doesn't need to be long and exhausting when we have someone caught. We have 140 pages of interactions.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm also extremely confident I'll be around day 3 because of logic.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Three people and Sirius slot still doesn't feel townie, go figure.

[TheFourEyedDude]

@mod Why hasn't Not_Mafia been prodded?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I've been looking at the same things as Lilith for a bit now, the attempts at counterwagons do not look good for the worst.

Was Froppy a target for a counter at one point, though? That's what irks me more than anything is the attempt to move on to that slot. I just don't know that Froppy/duck is the solve here, it can't be that easy, can it?

[TheFourEyedDude]

That's why I didn't think it would be you two, unless Froppy could technically be a goon and there was an attempt at both towncred and saving a mafia PR.

Is this a world where that happens? I don't even know what to think in Joe Trump's America.

[TheFourEyedDude]

@mod please VLA me until end of Saturday

[TheFourEyedDude]

Also after thinking about it over the night phase, the worst doesn't make sense as Scum since he would not want to eliminate me. It's more likely deep scum is someone who has a town read on me as an excuse not to IC the NM slot

[TheFourEyedDude]

And here I thought the worst knew who I was.

VOTE: Froppy

Today's finally the day?

[TheFourEyedDude]

Do we just mass claim at this point? Or is there no point?

[TheFourEyedDude]

Una if you vote me, I'll also vote me so that NM can hammer and make himself IC I feel like people are just ignoring shit because they seem to think it's better to just sacrifice NM as tonight's night kill. Maybe it is once I prove he's town

[TheFourEyedDude]

Because he will be confirmed town.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Town can be as stupid as you're being

[TheFourEyedDude]

People love to call things shade when they get called out for doing stupid stuff

[TheFourEyedDude]

You're trying to engage me for pushing a consistent Scum read while in VLA... Thanks for the invitation to engage while I know I can't.

Shade is actually when I say things are scummy. I didn't vote you, I didn't say I Scum read you. You read that all from nowhere.

[TheFourEyedDude]

And then I thought about it and changed my mind. And I never didn't want to eliminate Zombie slot. The claim was bad.

[TheFourEyedDude]

It would have been such a hard bus I didn't even bother putting out a feeler for any other possible lunches. So I'm good enough Scum to bus and claim a role that, to my knowledge, is fairly obscure, but not good enough to even think to try and keep my neopolitan alive to day 3? Literally the only way this makes sense is if I'm Scum with worst. I'm sorry if I don't show my work enough for you but I have had it down to just one Scum to find in a pool since the Zombie claim and a very good chance to keep making it to the next day because I will never be NKed before NM.

Day 4 would just be finding the scum in a very small pool for me, which I am confident I can do

[TheFourEyedDude]

four, what is that pool?

I don't know exactly but I'm fairly confident the scum is within you/SS/lilith and an outside possibility of the worst at this point. But the fact is without revealing this I would have been able to let Scum perhaps remove one of those slots for me

[TheFourEyedDude]

so I guess it’s froppy + four/worsty/Una/Lilith/SS in that order?

You have me as more likely scum than Billy??

Yes

[TheFourEyedDude]

I know this doesn't mean much, but I am mostly keeping things close to my chest for the time being, since I have NM alive as an insurance policy, if it comes time for my elimination during a day phase, I will openly share all my thoughts, but, I don't want to give a great pool of my reads to the mafia team and let them just kill my strongest townreads all the time.

I don't know what the votecount is and I'll be skimming the pages I missed tomorrow.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Oh, poo, there were only two pages. I'll still read better tomorrow, but, this Froppy wagon seems to be proceeding much like the plusJOYed one Day 2.

[TheFourEyedDude]

this Froppy wagon seems to be proceeding much like the plusJOYed one Day 2.

What is this supposed to mean?

Wagon has been stalled with very few attempts to change it. It looks like the last Scum wagon we had on Scum who had given up

[TheFourEyedDude]

Best guess at a Scum team is froppy/iv.

If you guys really want to make sure I'm not deep scum just elim me now so I don't have to go through the torture of watching you all waffle on the eliminations we should be doing

[TheFourEyedDude]

wait I misread the word boring into 4166 and thought you were overreacting you're not actually boring I was just trying to be snarky

Thanks?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm also worried that the N1-results point to a certain feathery direction, and someone who also fits the description above.

Do you have a list of people who you believe could fit the description?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would say that 3053 would also then lend the idea to a frame job being done on the worst.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I would say that 3053 would also then lend itself to the idea to a frame job being done on the worst.

I am so bad at English today, I guess.

EBWOP

[TheFourEyedDude]

Also, I still don't get what 2885 has to do with crumbing.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Also, I still don't get what 2885 has to do with crumbing.

Well, it's his scumpool. Including Norwee who ended up being the lynch, and towards whom he had previously hinted at targeting. (clearly, IMO)
And once Norwee became the lynch for D1, they mostly pointed their posts towards Ducky - another player from that same scumpool.
I don't think it's a stretch for scum to read that trajectory as to mean that Pooky was going to target Ducky N1.

Wait, now I see why it's not a frame job from your POV, took me a hot second.

[TheFourEyedDude]

that’s fair. that’s a bit why I’ve been suspecting four, and to a lesser extent you, after I started townreading duck. I think someone said that four is an alt, and I think you’re capable as well.

I said I'm an alt.

The fact is, I'm an alt of a dumb player who doesn't bother to look for crumbs, which I know because I am he.

Just being an alt doesn't make me smart, or good. I use alts to hide from the people who know I'm not good or smart.

[TheFourEyedDude]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

[TheFourEyedDude]

So, you'd rather assume that I'm some genius because I'm an alt?

Fuck, I must be great.

Apparently I’m in the pool of possibilities and I’ve never read a PR-crumb in my life, so you can’t make less sense in the pool than me

But, you literally just said you thought Saudade was a VT. So, how does that line up?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm just confused how you thought that he was a VT if you've never read a crumb. So, there must have been something in his posting that lead you to think he was a VT and not a PR?

That seems to me like a strange disconnect. I was sorting town and not town, not VTs, PRs and scum, which seems like what you might be saying?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm just confused how you thought that he was a VT if you've never read a crumb. So, there must have been something in his posting that lead you to think he was a VT and not a PR?

That seems to me like a strange disconnect. I was sorting town and not town, not VTs, PRs and scum, which seems like what you might be saying?

He was playing like what I thought a VT would play like. I never saw any crumbs??

I still just don't get why you specifically were looking at him as VT rather than just town. Why are you getting that specific?

[TheFourEyedDude]

I determined Saudade was town, I didn't sit down and say "Well, he is specifically a VT" or anything like that.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Because to me it looks like you were PR hunting. You don't get to tell me what's important or not. I get to use what information I find relevant, so don't try to discourage me from trying to figure out why you were PR hunting day 1 just because you think it's "unimportant".

[TheFourEyedDude]

Like, holy shit, you've spent the past week saying I haven't solved well enough, but then try to shoot me down when I'm digging deeper into an issue. So, excuse me if I'm not just going to sit here and let you go because every three pages you decided to tell everyone I haven't solved the game in the manner of your liking.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Yeah, you're beyond suspicion, I guess. Can't inspect lillith because she'll tell you its unimportant and you aren't playing the game right, guys. This VT saudade thing is shady to me, and I get to decide that because I'm a person in this game.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I have zero clue how you think me saying I didn’t see any of pooky’s crumbs is an issue worth pursuing that you think is going to be AI.

It's not that, I've said this three times, its that you said you thought he was playing like a VT. I don't see the town benefit of trying to identify VTs rather than Town PRs.

[TheFourEyedDude]

No, I don’t think you’re approaching this in good faith whatsoever. To steal a line from someone else, I don’t think you’re in “questioning” mode, you’re already in kill mode.

Fuck off.

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm not engaging with you. Every time you decide I'm engaging in "bad faith" discussions, because you get to be the judge of everything in your little world. I know this is going to be another "He hasn't solved the game, despite having said multiple team guesses, pointing out how the claim from Zombie made Zombie scum, and having a scum read on the scum slot since day 1. He hasn't done enough to advance the game, and everytime he talks I say it's just shading me."

Like, I don't see why I should waste my time when you'll just be obtuse about everything and claim I'm shading you.

I don't give enough of a shit about if people want to eliminate me to bother with this discussion that's just going to get me upset. So either rally people to actually eliminate me, or just keep telling everyone how I didn't solve the game enough and watch as all of one person cares in the game while we have a scum slot about ready to be eliminated.

[TheFourEyedDude]

And the revolving door spins again.

Like the American justice system. HA POLITICS JOKE!

[TheFourEyedDude]

Well I guess this could be the case, but isn't that a bit silly?

Nah, I've seen it happen before (not with a mod, but I've seen players get the two confused and have to be corrected). Remember that osuka didn't design the setup.

But, he did have to write and send out the Role PMs, so, I don't see how he gets it right in the Role PM and not the eventual Night 1 action.

If he didn't have to write them himself, what the fuck normal team? Why do I always need to write mine?

[TheFourEyedDude]

At least, presumably he got it right in role PMs, since Una knew his role.

[TheFourEyedDude]

If he didn't have to write them himself, what the fuck normal team? Why do I always need to write mine?

Pre-designed setups come with pre-written role PM's. If you design your own setup, then you have to write your own.

My last normal predesign then makes me quite upset. I'm told a role I wrote was basically "close enough" but it didn't have a prewritten Role PM...

[TheFourEyedDude]

It is going to lead to the same reaction no matter what I say, so I'm voluntarily saving my time to allow you to just say your reactions without my need to feed into your preset reactions.

[TheFourEyedDude]

Fuck it, if you won't listen to me and eliminate the obvious Scum slot that just misread the Lavar slot. You can have the IC NM.

VOTE: myself

NM is literally going to self reveal as IC so like, hang the scum slot tomorrow. I'll buy the PRs another night of surviving

[TheFourEyedDude]

wait lavar is not mafia?

and not mafia is IC? when did they say they would activate

When I die

[TheFourEyedDude]

VOTE: shelly

Good

[TheFourEyedDude]

I'm confident enough in this read to bet my own elimination for tomorrow on it

[TheFourEyedDude]

This whole sign out sign in thing is getting annoying and I'm not even following my own posting gimmick... Hold on

[TheFourEyedDude]

Just waiting for the mod to do a thing but also, I'm not voting myself right now