Mini Normal 2160 | FIA Group B | Endgame

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Hardclaim 1986 Lancia Delta S4 spray painted pink
doc on me

Vroom vroom
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

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i rolled scum this game and I absolutely hate it

this is a mood

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I feel an abnormally high number of eyes on me rn.

VOTE: sausage

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pretty easy with you chomping down on lhf before page 1 is over
you stand no chance against the great Lancia Delta S4.

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Good things that are town:
1. Not voting for meats at a butcher
2. Being a duck
3. Washing your hands
4. Brushing your teeth
5. Not being Australian.

I am
1) vegetarian
2) a duck
3) hygienic
4) ok tooths
5) shit

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VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

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omg I am a vegetarian as well

^_^ I knew we'd be friends~

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VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

Why would I throw my weight in with RVS votes

SS was/is objectively scummiest

I'm pretty sure Sausage had the scummiest pg. 1 and I know we're pulling at shit here but can you split hairs a bit more for me? I'm dead ass null on page 1 ss

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Also yes nor is mechanically confirmed scum in every game so we can address that later.

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VOTE: inmocentvillager

due respect but this is objectively the worst vote on page 1

your other posts are basically "wooahh look at me I'm sausage I'm funny" and you're holding a meme vote on lhf who claimed scum on page 1 even though we're on pg. 3 and there's some blatantly questionable content from like a number of people?

you're too spicy to just ignore the evolving gamestate and hold a vote on a joke scumclaim as town

goodbye dear sausage

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bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This is quite a good vote btw
but it's like
optically good in a way I don't want to call alignment indicative yet

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VOTE: inmocentvillager

due respect but this is objectively the worst vote on page 1


goodbye dear sausage

being bad = scum now is it?
did you slip daddy?

this is a really bad faith response to what I'm saying ~_~

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bad wagon is bad

VOTE: lavar

This is quite a good vote btw
but it's like
optically good in a way I don't want to call alignment indicative yet

okay wtf does that mean

it's a good vote but it looks good and I think you know it looks good so I'm not gonna read into it for your alignment

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this is a really bad faith response to what I'm saying ~_~

I think it's actually quite a good response.

I think it's pretty clear worst was meant to indicate opportunism not literal badness

maybe it is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Lilith=>lavar vote for example

idk yet ok
I want to yell at sausage a bit more

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that.... is that something you think I’m thinking about as scum?

How does it look good?

Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing
they are getting full duck pressure as soon as I'm done with sausage
if nobody else saw it in lavar I might be projecting but I thought it was pretty obvious

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this is a really bad faith response to what I'm saying ~_~

I think it's actually quite a good response.

I think it's pretty clear worst was meant to indicate opportunism not literal badness

maybe it is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Lilith=>lavar vote for example

idk yet ok
I want to yell at sausage a bit more

DID YOU JUST CALL ME PRESSURING A SLOT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME OPPORTUNISM??
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yes
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!!!!!
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there's pressuring slots who need pressure which is good and fun and a great time

and then there is pressuring slots who don't need pressure for lazy meme reasons which is very unlikely to actually solve them

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the last 4 pages is like a very good sample of what I love about sausage

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I'm playing devil's advocate to work out whether you actually think this is a valid useful thing to do as town. I don't think I'm actually going to divine his alignment out of his meme demeanor but he pocketed me irl by claiming vegetarian

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there's pressuring slots who need pressure which is good and fun and a great time

and then there is pressuring slots who don't need pressure for lazy meme reasons which is very unlikely to actually solve them

what the fuck are you talking about

No no listen to the duck

I'm still pretty excited to hear from you re. SS when you have a minute pls

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wait throw me another question then

what is the best legume?

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are you fakeclaiming vegetarian, mr. villa?

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oh my god it's like innocentvillager is some kind of self aligned player who wins the game if he gets me to hug him or something I'm so confused

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VOTE: nepenthes changed my mind lavar can live for the next 8 minutes >:C

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Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing

I voted Something_Smart and lilith2013 as joke. I did not like how innocentvillager kept on joking even when pressured by Saudade, so I decided to vote him.

hilariously at a conscience level I think IV is slightly likely to be town. he's like, objectively tanking the way he is perceived by the thread and feels blatantly unapologetic for it

IV suffers from that subtle anxiety as scum where he feels bad disappointing his scumbuddies I'm pretty sure

it's not a great tell but it's kinda why I'm looking for people trying to take a bite out of him without a decent reason; he's not really alignment telling but I think his mindset comes from town like 1% more often

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VOTE: nepenthes changed my mind lavar can live for the next 8 minutes >:C

Tw are you mafia

irl yes
sadly you've rolled scum without me in mini normal 2160

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Lavars town thats 1

I don't follow

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Sausage is voting scum so that's probably a positive sign

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I guess this is fair. However, I am thinking he is thinking that we are thinking that he would not do such a thing as scum. I also do not like trolling like that in general even though I like to troll sometimes.
Also, people seem to be defending him so the strategy would be working if he was scum. I'm not sure I completely understand the point about disappointing his scumbuddies. Have you played scum with him before?

I've meta dived him pretty heavily back when I cared about that kind of thing and his town & scum games have pretty substantially different tells

We haven't been scum together yet but we've talked about scum mindsets etc. briefly outside of game

if you'd rather vote for the memeing that's fine; what are your other reads?

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

the fact you think we should write anything off as absolutely 0% serious is a red flag

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duck if i ever meet you irl we're gonna have a running contest and i'll win it

you seem like the kind of person who would beat me in a running contest. how about a coffee?

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radio static

I'm going to try and work out who this "Sausage" character is and why they're coming out of my printer. I recon the best place to look of that is the library. If you can hear this come and meet me there and we can plan who to do about this situation together.

radio static

Sausage is a codename. Best we don't communicate in real names. Never know who's listening in on this frequency. See you at the "library"

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

the fact you think we should write anything off as absolutely 0% serious is a red flag

Did you think i was being genuine yes or no

do i think you think you caught scum!ss on page 1? naaaah
do i think you think it was a good idea to vote ss? yeeees at some level

i don't think we should be like, blasting you into orbit based on that vote, no, but i think the fact you don't feel like you should be accountable for.. things you are doing in a game in which we need to discern information about you.. is like... ????

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Lavar may not be good at jokes but he is good at washing his hands, a townie trait.

those are some squeaky clean hands, i must say.

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how do you guys turn simple reads and ideas into long sentences and paragraphs is crazy

you'd understand if you listened to more jazz

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

???? if you say.... it’s serious..... we’re gonna take that at face value........ in this game..... ?????

yeah this one

how do you guys turn simple reads and ideas into long sentences and paragraphs is crazy

you'd understand if you listened to more jazz

son..

yes, father?

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you'd understand if you listened to more jazz

Ya like jazz?

i have mixed feelings but it was definitely iconic!



pedit: he's a monster, truly

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i've subbed "bitch" out for "binch" when i'm using it cutely

i still think i'm quite an aggressive person though, so it's pretty hard to read my posts warmly

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if norwees scumgame didnt improve he'll be an easy read as well

it's, developed for sure, i'd say he's more inconsistent than bad at scum

he's kinda been crushed under the reality of rolling scum 147 times in a row

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i need to go do work so just thought i'd make myself obvtown and obliterate some scums before i did

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i've subbed "bitch" out for "binch" when i'm using it cutely

i still think i'm quite an aggressive person though, so it's pretty hard to read my posts warmly

you’re literally a duck. nothing you do can be remotely construed as aggressive

ok bbl

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update: there was nowhere for me to transfer to the train going the other way so I rode the train to the last stop and now I’m going all the way back rip

;-;
i'm so sorry

at least it's more fun mafia time right? and who doesn't like trains?
do you go through any tunnels

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i'm never voting zombie apocalypse because this story is so intriguing and f3 is gonna be like fucking me, zombie apocalypse & the most obvtown player in the game and i will kill the obvtown player just to see where this goes

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i'm so upset.

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this is gonna be like a horror movie where I just keep riding the train back and forth and can’t get out of the fucking subway

ooooof
meanwhile the zombie apocalypse is happening and everyone else is hanging out at the library

pedit: that's my current feel; lilith is like somewhere in the null spectrum trending upwards but i feel like i'll have a better read before d1 is over

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pedit: that's my current feel; lilith is like somewhere in the null spectrum trending upwards but i feel like i'll have a better read before d1 is over

Do you know why that is

because She's Lilith

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it feels like she's getting fired up

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cause i’m literally queen of obvtown and can’t sustain a town trajectory as scum for more than like 6 irl days?

me irl

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also guess who finally made it off the goddamn train

and at the right stop? :O

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yeah this depth of rp will get exhausting; the shtick will persist at some level but at least they'll get into the groove of being funny and actually posting about game things

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lmao IV as four, I love it

this

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Please explain how these are joke votes:
- quoting someone’s serious vote on SS and then also voting SS - seems pretty serious to me
- saying that I’m tryharding so you’re going to keep an eye on me, after you switch your vote to me

My vote on Something_Smart had no explanation? I don't have a read on him. My vote on you was also a joke, but I got a little suspicious afterward.
Seems a little tunnely to me.

is tunnely scummy anyway? people regularly tunnel slightly because the tunnel stems from a REAL THOUGHT they really believe. it's just when it drags on past the point of being a real believable thought that it's probably a scumtell.

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Ducky, S_S, thor, whats up y'all? I'm back.

welcome back <3 you were one of the reasons i joined this game.

and yeah we've been posting like, a lot. sorry.

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there are pros and cons to consolidating his catchup into one post.
him doing it over multiple posts lets us see what he's seeing / not seeing and the way his thoughts ~flow~ through the thread.

sorry to jump in and like, shoot you down but i don't think that's a particularly valuable request

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ppl shld probably just post the way they want to post and love and respect each other

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i am pro lilith's vote on BPilz

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- why pro mine but no pro-lavar's vote?

off rvs & don't really follow why lavar voted there. they are probably not aligned i suppose.

- why no join?

i'm comfortable fence-sitting on BP and camping Nep aorn but i admire the fact you /aren't/ fence sitting on BP

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i have an Opinion on that but i'll let sausage open

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eh I mean I kinda get it. Billy's catchup posts don't really seem to be aimed at helping him sort people, more looking like he's attempting to sort people. I'd say that's continued through his latter posts as well.

i definitely get this, but emphasis on the

eh

my butt is fairly comfy on this fence, i'm well-practiced.

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it also takes quite an Intense apprehension-free mindset to just, be so invested in a game of mafia that you miss your stop twice, lol
not sure if this is clearing because i haven't gone and worked out how high effort you are as scum yet but i see what sausage sees

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One time i was scum while in a hotel for two weeks and i spent 5 bucks an hour to post regularly
This doesnt take away from lilith being town i just wanted to brag about my awful spending

i like this so much

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anyone who *doesn't* know who billy pilgrim is should feel bad

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I exclusively phone post

oh i forgot this tidbit!! phonepost squad

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IV!!!!!!
NICE TO SEE YOU!

this is how I feel when I see IV.
where do you know him from?

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Jesus fuck you people can post

vc

i'm gonna headcannon that this wasn't a mistake because it's funnier

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headcanon
argh my head is a cannon

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for reference

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hmmm i can do better.

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this is better!

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god worsty you scare me sometimes

I feel like this is a thing that usually comes from town?

i wonder how innocentvillager who has correctly pocketed/subverted my expectations of his scum meta would respond here
actually i'm not really sure

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I personally don’t think this my opening has been outside of my scum range? if that’s what you’re wondering

i agree

not scum range so much, more like "are innocentvillager's brain thoughts in this game consistent with the brain thoughts i would expect him to have as {town,scum}?"
i guess i think a people break their scumrange a lot less regularly than a lot of people think they break their scumrange
behavioural/mindset tells are probably better for outguessing expansion of scumranges as well

so it's not hard meta-ey, just trying to read your mind-ey

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are you asking me to give you tells on yourself, mr villa~~~?

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I’m also being serious that I want to townbloc with you because I feel really comfortable with you as obvtown? but then again after seeing our scumgame together I obviously townread just because you *feel town* :/

i'm conscious that like 3+ people in this plist have seen my scumgame within the last couple of days and will likely have read-whiplash from the way i charged out of the gate this game

so i'm very conscious that you probably don't have to work all that hard to correctly townread me this game; i'll probably get more out of your alignment by the way your reads on other people progress

pedit: oh
that's interesting
i feel like i'm poles apart in this game

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i wonder how innocentvillager who has correctly pocketed/subverted my expectations of his scum meta would respond here
actually i'm not really sure

it takes a lot of hubris to respond to someone with an incorrect townread on you by telling them how scarily accurate their read is.

that's actually a really good point
i think innovilla is capable of being funny/an extent of fluid tonality as scum but i don't think he's so reflexively a badass as scum

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you're capable of being a badass as scum, yes, but you need to wind yourself up first

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i didn't like, actually read into your alignment very much, i realised ythan was scum and needed a way to get onto the lead wagon without seeming sketchy so i started throwing half baked reads out

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nice recovery.

thanks - i came dangerously close to hurting some feelings there :'(

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i don't mean to imply your scumgame is bad!

maybe i feel like i'm more likely to have a baseline for your personality because i've read quite a few of your games & played with you a couple of times v recently if that makes sense?

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I was once in a game with a poetic crow

if that's the same poetic crow i read games in i also think they were kind of, like, either not very good at mafia or kind of forgot they were meant to be playing mafia


pedit: noo una i'm sorryyy

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Zombie this playstyle is not sustainable

+

You're not adding anything new nor you're making it easy to read you

I don't think I've ever seen Saudade act like this..
This is..towny..?...to me.

yeeaaaa

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I'm playing devil's advocate to work out whether you actually think this is a valid useful thing to do as town. I don't think I'm actually going to divine his alignment out of his meme demeanor but he pocketed me irl by claiming vegetarian

I love my meat.
I ate duck in a Chinese restaurant once, damn it was good.

scum.

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Aussie nerds

present.

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This feels like TvT.

I'm thinking not s/s but the misunderstanding seems like, tonal enough that I don't really think either party is towny for defending their turf here. I agree una was probably trying to be jovial and worded it in a way which is unintentionally aggressive and I can see why Lilith read it that way.

I don't think this convo is AI and I think their indignance makes a lot of sense

What like..,...struck you as tvt

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I'm honestly baffled.
Did I REALLY come across that insulting?
And am I that bad at explaining my intentions / giving context that I really deserve this from lilith?

If so, I guess it's better I take a break for a few hours.
If not so, I guess it's better I still take a break while someone else tries to reason with her.

I think I've known you for too long; I knew you were aiming to be lighthearted/banterous but I can see how that came across jaggedly

+1 una emoji use is definitely just for illustration/exaggeration and is very much just the way he talks btw

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This feels like TvT.

It uh doesn't really feel alignment related to me? Like Una accidentally offended lilith, lilith got annoyed about it. Nothing in there about the color of either of their role PM's.

I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

Have I told you lately that you are just wonderful

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hmm I've known una since my first game onsite and the man is an absolute sweetheart. he's liable to be spicy and sassy, and sometimes kind of comically snarky, but I have never known him to be bitchy or overtly rude - I can absolutely buy that he intended that post to be read banterously.

I've known Lilith for a few months and she is also an absolute sweetheart. I can emphatically vouch that she is not the type to intentionally or maliciously play something up to 'appear as the victim'; I also think a lot of emojis and loaded words like "stupid" can very easily be read and misread in varied ways and can absolutely see how she saw that and thought it was an antagonistic statement.

You are both amazing, and i can linearly trace the misunderstanding. I don't have a particularly strong read on either of you aorn and I don't think this tangent is alignment indicative.

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I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

It’s because of the temper on both sides.

Have you never seen scum feel like they're being argued with in bad faith & get fired up? That was like. a classic impasse argument over a misunderstanding. it would blow my mind if it wasn't within both of their scumranges to get annoyed at how that shook down.

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I disagree with you heavily Worst. Emotions can be read as AI.

yes they can be but getting irritated at feeling misrepresented definitely transcends alignment

can you like.....throw me a couple of quotes which illustrate an increase in frustration for something which is not directly a misunderstanding from that exchange?

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that is
like
literally
how 99% of arguments happen
ever

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actually most of them are in the uspol thread but I think my hyperbole adequately adds to how floored I am

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again you are caught up on assuming this is a decision they made for alignment related reasons. this is a misunderstanding. they both felt personally offended. I emphatically do not see how whether or not they are aligned with the mafia plays into this.

like I think you're arguing along the lines of "guilty mindset posting" where scum would feel it is not their place to approach that kind of dialogue manipulatively, and therefore would just avoid the dialogue?

I'd argue very loudly that when in a mindset where you feel attacked personally (unfairly), anyone would tend to feel completely relieved of guilt because in that moment, the person who misunderstands or misrepresents you *should* be the guilty party

do you see what I'm saying at all

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Scum and town would be irritated at getting scumread wrongly.
Mostly town would be irritated at feeling belittled/misrepresented.

Do you see where i’m going with this Worst?

no, sorry. I think both of these players have strong enough personalities that their alignment should not play into how they perceive insults

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I’m studying social science, trust me on this brah.

I'm studying mafia science. sheep me binchhhh

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now I agree that scumbuddies probably don't exacerbate this argument because yelling @ each other loudly in a noisy thread with a lot of astute players is probably a Little Lot Intimidating. I think I can apply your logic at that level. but I do think the inherent guilt or apprehension associated with being Scum In The Game dissipates when you feel Attacked for OOG reasons.

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You used to be different, too. You used to roll town.

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gottem

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fr though I think we just utterly disagree on this subject or you're applying some really abstract principle to something that's Actually Happening

I've read your suggestion and I can't really apply it to the brain thoughts I'm having about una/Lilith's exchange. I'm guessing you've done the same with mine and also failed.

Is this also an impasse `-`

pedit: twinsies

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I think we just utterly disagree on this subject or you're applying some really abstract principle to something that's Actually Happening

conversely you'd like, necessarily feel this way towards me, lol

based on that twin moment I'm actually gonna go right on ahead and assume your theory was actually a real thought which you really believe though

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DIE NORWEGIANBOYEE DIE.

actually not really; i was just sitting in an empty discord call thinking about you and thought the same thing.

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u_u;;

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Lilith how did you feel about Nor's attempt to explain his thoughts there?

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i think ss might be t*wn but i'm not locked

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carry me instead sausage !!

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Probably gonna hang nep over iv here

yeahhhhhh

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I live to disappoint, dear nepz

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who am I voting

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I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!! Then I remembered I'm voting Nep and I'm crushin it

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VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

Why would I throw my weight in with RVS votes

SS was/is objectively scummiest

I'm pretty sure Sausage had the scummiest pg. 1 and I know we're pulling at shit here but can you split hairs a bit more for me? I'm dead ass null on page 1 ss

What was scummy about saudade on page 1?

eh just the predictable vote
I blew the read up because screaming at sausage is fun and RVS is boring

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Lilith and Umbreon (Una) seems V/V atm?

what made you say this?
please report back, this is how the thing I care about the most in this game by a large margin

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VOTE: inmocentvillager

due respect but this is objectively the worst vote on page 1

your other posts are basically "wooahh look at me I'm sausage I'm funny" and you're holding a meme vote on lhf who claimed scum on page 1 even though we're on pg. 3 and there's some blatantly questionable content from like a number of people?

you're too spicy to just ignore the evolving gamestate and hold a vote on a joke scumclaim as town

goodbye dear sausage

- who else had “blatantly questionable” content at this time?
- how was the initial vote on iv bad? you say it’s bad because he kept it until page 3 but that doesn’t explain why the actual original act of what was presumably rvs voting on page 1 was bad. Why was that scummy?

I can't really remember ottomh I think I was just yelling loudly to get Sausage to do something AI

Sausage IV vote based on pg1 was not really scum indicative in a vacuum, it's just a vote on someone who is being a clown rather than a vote on the people who are likely to acrually be sorted in response to being voted

did you like...think it was a good vote or are you just confused that I was quacking a lot?

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I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!!

why?

Then I remembered I'm voting Nep and I'm crushin it

This is at best a vanity wagon so either persuade other people to join you or join a different wagon that isn’t so vanity

I'm cool w vanity wagoning scum rn pleaseeeee don't tell me not to engage in vanity wagons like two? days into a phaseeeee we can consolidate when there's better content and we actually need an elim

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good 4am thoughts imo

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innocentvillager
TheFourEyedDude
Sirius9121
Zombie Apocalypse
Billy Pilgrim
UnaBombaH
NorwegianboyEE
Nepenthes
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Saudade
Something_Smart
LavarManos
lilith2013

off the plist

IV somewhat likely to be town
tfed I'm like super lukewarm town
Sirius I Dont Know
zombapoc I'm probably super weakly scum and I'm so angry about it
bilpil I'm kinda mildly scum and also fairly upset
una is pretty much dead ass null
norw is maybe town
nepz is scum and I'm literally devastated
the worst is town
sausage is kinda towny
ss is probably somewhere under ss/nor but above IV
lavar is a player in this game
you are surface town but I need to go and like read your posts/trajectory once the game is a bit more mature

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Do you have an answer to the first question I asked?

yeah I can't remember

it was a throwaway comment I made to polarise, not because I actually sincerely thought I had scum off pg1

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porque no los dos? Why don’t you think that iv was sortable by voting just because he was “being a clown”? Do you believe that RVS votes must be on people who it’s “worth” voting?

1) always both
2) huh?
3) it helps ya and sausage is enough of a high drama player that he knows that!! it helps to sincerity check boring rvs votes from good town players

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I honestly don’t care about consolidating, I care more that you’re basically voteparked but don’t seem to care that no one else is voting her

I literally don't care atp

she's the player I want to be voting
we have a bunch of time left
I'm literally not itt rn so my reads aren't developing
if this is a problem please raise it with my manager

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If you genuinely think you have caught scum, why aren’t you 1) pushing her more, or 2) attempting to convince people that she’s scum?

groannn

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Also

I nearly voted billy last time I opened the thread!!

why?

a whim?
do you think I shouldn't want to vote billy?
what is the function of this question

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you said (or implied) that rvs voting iv was bad because he was a clown and you should rvs vote people who are sortable by voting. Why isn’t iv sortable by voting? Is it just because he’s a clown?

yes

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groan yourself

I'm not as good as sausage so I'm not like RAWR I FOUND SCUM SHEEP ME

I'm also allocating energy to things that are more important

y'all can literally do what you like, if I'm right on Nep she's going to get easier to catch not harder without me pushing half assed scumcase which isn't gonna happen because
1) I can't be bothered casing
2) it's too early for me to have a developed enough read on Nep that I expect people to have nuanced/meaningful opinions on my stance on Nep

fmpov you're effectively asking why I'm not putting substantial amounts of time into shitting the thread up with a boring read

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Can you explain your “surface town” read on me?

you're energetic and mostly feel happy to be here which I think is weakly town indicative. I think the train thing is kind of a funny towntell, it's also probably super vaguely town indicative. the conclusion of this convo will probably help my read on u a bit

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Goodmorning to everyone in thread except tw
Norwee why is billy thinking you were defending him scummy to you

nvm: rawr I found scum sheep me

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I’m asking what the reasoning for your billy read is

his catchup felt somewhat stiff and very much focused on things which I don't think were alignment indicative. he was asking questions about posts, not asking questions about things people were saying.

then I started wondering if the stiffness is from rust and kinda sighed and remembered other people are already voting him and hey. maybe some of those votes are super slimy. maybe he'll crap himself under the pressure. who knows, the world is a wild place.

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irl things; I've been Going for like 10 hours after a late night and my social capital is pretty spent.

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God, you’re just the worst.

I'm contractually obligated to fight you for making this post.

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goodness
have you tried asking the people who think I'm obvtown? I'd say they'd be better judges of whether or not I'm obvtown

I don't really have much of an opinion on whether I've broken my scumrange or not

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have you tried asking the people who think I'm obvtown? I'd say they'd be better judges of whether or not I'm obvtown

this sentence ended up accidentally being funny. it wasn't a joke

those people are either scum trying not to deal with me, or they are town who think they are seeing a tell

you're not going to divine my alignment by asking for motives behind weird ass shit I'm doing to try and spice up the game while I'm busy irl, because I'm either 1) doing this to solve the game, or 2) just going to lie and tell you I'm doing this to solve the game.

you might actually get meaningful AI stuff out of people who like, have reads on me.

now this sounds sarcastic which also isn't my intention

I'm trying to illustrate that I can't show alignment indicative read trajectory on myself. Because I don't have a read on myself. & by some tokeb in a social deception game asking me for motive behind superficial things is very unlikely to make me easier to read. asking for reads/trajectory on people who say they have reads on me is likely to help sort both them & maybe even me!

I could give reads/trajectory on other slots I suppose but I don't really have any yet lol

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I'm trying to be helpful but I feel like I'm putting words next to each other that don't actually make sentences yeet

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those questions are either loaded or presumptuous and I'm not sure I feel like there's any value in directly answering them :X

I moved my vote off sausage because I saw something shinier. I think sausage's pressure then shifted from roasting me to more of a proactive spread. that's probably a weak towntell from sausage so like, I'm happy to be voting someone else.

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Tw are you saying your actual posts arent meant to be read for ai content and that lilith should be asking other players if she wants to read you
Actually hold on i have a choice quote

I'm saying that asking me to attribute motive to superficial things I posted isn't going to make me easier to sort.

You'll notice that I am being accountable for my conduct and answering her questions. Please come back when you can engage without trying to belittle me.

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I guess I get what you’re saying but this isn’t going to make me stop questioning posts you made that I want to question.

What was the conclusion of your early push on saudade? What made you think that you got everything that you wanted out of that push?

these are, yeah

I do not have a conclusive read on sausage and he is a slot I will keep revisiting

I don't think I'm likely to ever get a satisfactory read out of him based on that weak push based on what I've seen of his play

there's no way to answer these. they aren't yes/no questions but both answers are "no".

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I’m asking what the reasoning for your billy read is

his catchup felt somewhat stiff and very much focused on things which I don't think were alignment indicative. he was asking questions about posts, not asking questions about things people were saying.

then I started wondering if the stiffness is from rust and kinda sighed and remembered other people are already voting him and hey. maybe some of those votes are super slimy. maybe he'll crap himself under the pressure. who knows, the world is a wild place.

This is an excellent post, if you are scum duck congratulations you can fake some wonderful town thought processes

This broke through so much of my exhaustion and made me laughsnort loudly ;-;

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I wasnt trying to belittle you im sorry

I doubted it was intentional, sorry that response read prickly

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y'all can literally do what you like, if I'm right on Nep she's going to get easier to catch not harder without me pushing half assed scumcase which isn't gonna happen because
1) I can't be bothered casing
2) it's too early for me to have a developed enough read on Nep that I expect people to have nuanced/meaningful opinions on my stance on Nep

This is disappointing ngl
Doesnt feel like youve given any thought to me being town bc you didnt like how i play rvs
Is this scum you or is town tw just being lazy

Tw are you saying your actual posts arent meant to be read for ai content and that lilith should be asking other players if she wants to read you
Actually hold on i have a choice quote

i don't think we should be like, blasting you into orbit based on that vote, no, but i think the fact you don't feel like you should be accountable for.. things you are doing in a game in which we need to discern information about you.. is like... ????

these ones struck me as discrediting in a way that made me think you may not be reading my posts fully (or trying to like, understand the point I'm making) that said I'm basically a potato so it's entirely possible I'm just ~~~making no sense~~~
(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧

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Okay I don’t feel like I’ve been asking loaded or presumptuous questions or at least it wasn’t my intent, I’m genuinely trying to understand thought processes behind things I don’t understand.

it's cool, I also didn't think they were presumptuous on purpose; I think you're looking for a version of me which has better reads and is more confident which totally COULD be me right now based on my adopted assertive tone the other day but sadly is NOT me because I am a tired boi

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I am frustrated if youre town bc it looks like youve decided im scum but are both uninterested in pushing it or even talking about it so from my pov youre never going to fix the read

predictably I don't think this frustration is any more likely to come from you as either town or scum and I could literally see you making those comments as either alignment

I don't think I'm in a headspace to revisit you and come out with an accurate read so I'm gonna stick to following my gut for now

if you're town just assume I'm a neutral third party whose win condition is to make everyone scream at me by endgame and find the scums and I'll sort it out later (if u like actually think I'm scum for reals please find my buddies but I think there's a 50/50 chance town!you throws that read down out of confusion/frustration given the earliness)

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duck, I’m sorry if you think I’m asking you leading questions that feel unfair to you or that I’m not attempting to genuinely engage you, I just want to reiterate that I’m trying to understand your thought processes even if my questions have a purpose that might not be immediately clear, and the level of questioning I’m doing is probably at least partly motivated by feeling like I didn’t do my due diligence in miccro

it's ok, no apology needed. I don't think you engage me with intentionally leading questions; just please accept that I'm going to call out things that appear to be presumptuous fmpov.

I don’t think what I’m looking for depends on confidence in reads

I'm trying to avoid defaulting to "I felt like it" but I don't think I have a lot of exciting mindset insights to impart on you as of yet? if I attributed motivations I'd be exaggerating them or making them up atp

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sorry I don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad and useless in a plist :/ I think you guys are too good for me or I’m just terrible

maybe I should stick to newbie games

Do your best and make an effort to catch scum. 90% of the players here cant play mafia and just come to socialise under a guise of a game

i feel so attacked. i even socialise with you!!!

you're not wrong though

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duck, I’m sorry if you think I’m asking you leading questions that feel unfair to you or that I’m not attempting to genuinely engage you, I just want to reiterate that I’m trying to understand your thought processes even if my questions have a purpose that might not be immediately clear, and the level of questioning I’m doing is probably at least partly motivated by feeling like I didn’t do my due diligence in miccro

it's ok, no apology needed. I don't think you engage me with intentionally leading questions; just please accept that I'm going to call out things that appear to be presumptuous fmpov.

Could you explain what about those questions made them feel presumptuous? I’ll see if I can word them differently to be more neutral/make them not feel as much

I don’t think what I’m looking for depends on confidence in reads

I'm trying to avoid defaulting to "I felt like it" but I don't think I have a lot of exciting mindset insights to impart on you as of yet? if I attributed motivations I'd be exaggerating them or making them up atp

“I felt like it” is an acceptable answer sometimes

i think i already explained why they felt presumptuous; i don't feel like i'm satisfied i have a read on sausage but i'd generated enough noise about a fairly pointless subject and i was adequately happy to be voting elsewhere.

oh shit
in that case: i felt like it applies heavily

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I like to think of mafia as elaborate roleplay at all times

good post btw

Norwee what do you think about the worst

Town i guess. Feeling lukewarm about their recent posting tho.

feeling lukewarm isn't very useful
how are my current posts impacting your read on my alignment?

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i mean i think im just one of the people who likes to play but isn't very good at it

shitposting is fun and all especially at the beginning but once you guys started blasting off into all these crazy nuanced thought psychology battles with each other i got pretty lost and only had weak gut opinions, none of which really leaned scum

like lilith and worsty on recent posting would just be obvious townreads for me normally? but like I'm not even really sure here because idk if this just good scum masquerading

i know this sounds dumb and maybe melodramatic because that's literally what this game is about but idk if i describe it better

really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

but yeah ill just give it my best shot i guess. will try to pore over this on monday or tues when i have a bigger block of time

pedit: lilith I answered this twice already, i literally just voted him for fun and I didn't townread him. i don't know how i feel about him now, ill have to take a deeper look

this is kinda non game related but i've had some really awesome reads by accidentally townreading too many people

if you can tangibly tier the confidence of your townreads, and the bottom of your readlist ends up being really week/null reads, it's a good time to revisit your weak townreads and go "ok is the reason i'm townreading this person actually all that important?". that helps me bias check myself if i'm townreading people for silly reasons. it also helps weed out scum who just Post Well who i might lazily townread based on a positive interaction and stuff.

please don't despair. i'm not good at mafia, i just talk a lot.
this playerlist is definitely a "good" list. but i think we're also the types of players who are more interested in having a good time playing mafia, than in endless psychological warfare. if you're feeling like your reads are very focused on specific details, or more gut-based, please talk about them. you're just as liable to catch something we've missed as we are to catch something you've missed. perspectives are lit. so forth

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I think the reasons here seem a little surface/forced but maybe that's just because I disagree? But I also like the whole progression and the timestamps surrounding them, it really does seem like he's taking time to reread and reevaluate real time, they're about 10 minutes apart

this, for example, is making my brain tingly

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I’m asking more in a general sense so I can be more mindful in the future of how my questions come across.

I didn’t mean these particular questions to imply that I thought you should have a read on him, more like, did it help progress your thoughts on the game, and if so, how? (Again, I feel like sometimes “no” is an acceptable answer)

not directly, and not hugely, but i think the way he shifted tact is probably town indicative at some level.

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ngl this is making me question the validity of my entire playstyle a little bit

please don't, your playstyle is a delight
i'm just not like super high engaged in solving this game yet and i'm also like, very tired

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Duck do you want me to make you tingle in a different place?

u... uwu?

I think the reasons here seem a little surface/forced but maybe that's just because I disagree? But I also like the whole progression and the timestamps surrounding them, it really does seem like he's taking time to reread and reevaluate real time, they're about 10 minutes apart

this, for example, is making my brain tingly

tingly = good or bad?

i'm not awake enough to decide but i think it factors into me reevaluating nep

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IV is defs readable :0 I'll fight whoever said that

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IV is defs readable :0 I'll fight whoever said that

I don’t think anyone said iv is unreadable but you did say that (rvs) voting him wasn’t going to help sort him As part of the reasoning for you pushing saudade, right?

yeah !

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Whats feeling lukewarm mean? Sorry first time i see this term

Means i don’t really feel the town energy from their latest posts.

I am so excited to be in a timeline where Nor makes this post

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I think I literally townlean four because of tone and the fact he's struggling to adequately squeeze his thoughts into his posting gimmick which suggests a degree of nuance which is maybe less likely to be made up

why are you townreading four?

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I think you just called sausage locktown irl accidentally. but yeah I think that unapologetic nature is kinda town mindset indicative

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I think I literally townlean four because of tone and the fact he's struggling to adequately squeeze his thoughts into his posting gimmick which suggests a degree of nuance which is maybe less likely to be made up

why are you townreading four?

? by posting gimmick, are you sure you don’t mean zombie?

nah definitely four

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reread like every fifth or so post of four's iso; they're struggling to keep their thoughts contained within the posting style. it feels like they're having so many opinions they're bursting out of the inflexible confines of the alt's posting schtick.

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I think you just called sausage locktown irl accidentally. but yeah I think that unapologetic nature is kinda town mindset indicative

: D
Thats just me in every scum game I have ever played

worth noting that you're exceedingly aware that this is a game and are borderline incapable of guilt as scum but this is a tangent

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Can you explain your “surface town” read on me?

you're energetic and mostly feel happy to be here which I think is weakly town indicative. I think the train thing is kind of a funny towntell, it's also probably super vaguely town indicative. the conclusion of this convo will probably help my read on u a bit

I feel like this ignores both the parts and the sum of my content and I’ve been wondering why it seems like you’ve been avoiding stating a townread on me

I do wanna come back to this when you get the chance duckling

yeah it's a tone read

I don't think I'm going to get your alignment with a high degree of confiddnce by rereading your iso thus far and making a judgement call on what I think your motivations are; you're presenting yourself in a way where you're very visibly moving the game forward and encouraging other players to ~do things~. gth I don't think your questions are manipulative. I don't really think you're expecting people to walk off cliffs with their answers rn. so I'm leaning town. but I'll try and have like an Actual read on you when the gamestate advances because I think your playstyle changes in a very niche way when things get spicy (the second half of your iso in year of miccros ii had some really cool nuances which struck me as stuff I probably couldn't push as fake)

so you're gonna stay in my leaning town pile for now until I feel more urgency to have a higher degree of confidence

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fwiw I’m not directly scumreading duck and he’s not straight-up null for me like he was in our last game, which I think is a good sign, but I still don’t particularly think his posts haven’t been fakeable

this is cool. I think if you feel like people are projecting reads on me which are too confident I think roasting them would be really valuable. (I think IV is the only person I've seen hard townread me and I think that's mostly like, intuition)

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lavar is a player in this game

Lol

Was this an intentional throwback to Anuket

wasn't awake enough to be witty, but that definitely unintentionally bled into it

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your thought patterns in that game developed in a way that was like, simultaneously both very intuitive but very holistic and it was incredibly clear you were not making those thoughts up. I guess this is my fancy pants way or saying you were really obvtown.

you're not at that stage in this game so I don't feel any urgency about wanting to shift you up my readlist.

if you don't get to that point this game I'll have a better crack at trying to read you at a deeper level though

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Nep is tunnelling IV?

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but I'm tunnelling Nep and IV is the only person ive seen express an actual nuanced thought on Nep

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who are u voting?

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Why is Nepenthes scummy?

do you disagree with the read?

im voting nep

#vanitywagonsquad

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really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

Hey guy who just finished a scumgame with IV:

Did he ever try to play the newbie/bad player/no idea what's going on card?

ngl it was a cult game and I didn't read all of his posts because I was recruited and Imagine Cults Winning A Cult Game
I'll see if I can check, gth I'd say he probably doesn't do this tho

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<3

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really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

Hey guy who just finished a scumgame with IV:

Did he ever try to play the newbie/bad player/no idea what's going on card?

ngl it was a cult game and I didn't read all of his posts because I was recruited and Imagine Cults Winning A Cult Game
I'll see if I can check, gth I'd say he probably doesn't do this tho

he did not do this; I think his feeling of inadequacy looks like a real feeling but idrk if it's AI in a vacuum

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ss is mafia with nep

3rd maf sirius gg well played

demoting norwee from town to null

> drops a perfect 3/3 scumteam read
> proceeds to demote a townie to null

truly, you are the king

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I'm only deliberately condescending when I'm scum

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gottem

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do you disagree with the read?

I do not find her particularly scummy. What Saudade said about refusing to cooperate is generally NAI to me. It could just be a player who views the game differently and finds it hard to explain reads. I think his point of "not having a game solving mindset" would be valid, but I am not seeing it right now.

Whats useless to you isnt useless to me

interesting take

how do you feel about innocentvillager, saudade, NorwegianboyEE & Lilith ottoyh?

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hey ss guess what

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hey ss guess what

the answer to this was "I'm town, so no need to panic"

also just realised SS/Lilith are just very likely not scum together so my FOMO can take a back seat for now

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do you disagree with the read?

I do not find her particularly scummy. What Saudade said about refusing to cooperate is generally NAI to me. It could just be a player who views the game differently and finds it hard to explain reads. I think his point of "not having a game solving mindset" would be valid, but I am not seeing it right now.

Whats useless to you isnt useless to me

I think I'm talking myself into townreading this so I'm dropping it for the jury to review.

Lavar actually reads like he cares about the way people are interacting with Nep's slot. His confusion at people lazily scumreading her for no reason is kinda cool in like a really finite vacuum but also

- scum!Lamar with scum!Nep who is picking up heat from sausage who Lamar is ?trying to pocket?/?townbinning to avoid? probably doesn't try to contradict sausage's read on her and if he does decide to I think it's pretty hard to have such a believable approach to contradicting it

- scum!Lamar with town!Nep probably just doesn't bother contradicting his strongest townread (who is the most assertive player on the plist) pushing a townie for kinda funky reasons

this kind of approach doesn't feel like it's coming from a scum mindset. someone please talk me down from this

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FOMO? Fear of...?

fear of missing out; it's like an anxiety experience around e.g. friends hanging out without you.

I was using it a little bit facetiously but my heart would break just a little if I actually rolled town against both you & Lilith

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I guess Worst is town. They’re posting a lot.

you know me dude, I can't stand posting as scum.

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@duck I’m townreading lavar

oh sweet that post struck me as like a lightning bolt of probably-town on the proviso he was approaching sausage the way most people in this plist are approaching saausgae

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Refusing to cooperate and no signs or indication of a game solving mindset.

Err

Those are towntells...

Literally just caught scum as a result of them doing this.

Lavar was right, it's not a valid blanket tell

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What brings down scum in one game could just as easily be something town does in another game tho.

yeah!

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I guess Worst is town. They’re posting a lot.

This is not a good way to read the foul. He played a newbie scumgame with me and he hyperposted and I think I only caught him when he claimed a pr and I was a mason.

Do you disagree with other people's TR's of Worst?

At this point I dont see a reason not to see him as town, and his past couple of posts have been solid, in particular his post about lavar. So no, I just wanted to point out that his activity isn't a great tell.

I think my read on lavar is probably one of the things in my iso I'm the most likely to do as scum u_u I know it's a good post thoigh

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I'm sure there are plenty of counterexamples. I never said it was an infallible tell, just a heuristic.

yeah this makes my brain happy

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Nep is probably the coolest person here
I was shopping

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I think if Nep is scum that not vote is probably unpartnery

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Also half of my ss townread was lilith townreading him
The other half is my own read

don't worry, ss is town.

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liliiiiith is nep town?

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@lilith why?

Also half of my ss townread was lilith townreading him
The other half is my own read

don't worry, ss is town.

I know

scumslip

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why ur willing to vote

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i haven't come up with a reason to scumread her yet haha please help my mask is slipping

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wait are you serious?

HAHAHA no i was trying to be funny

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i haven't come up with a reason to scumread her yet haha please help my mask is slipping

Im assuming youve been moving forward on gut
What do you think of Norwee
His ISO was a lot less good than i remembered and all of his votes have been pretty frail

i have been working off gut quite a lot this game !
norwee is on a pilgrimage to the bottom of my readlist lmao
i'm not sure how far along he is yet but yes, my townlean on him is getting a lot weaker

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sausage is noisy. unless he chose not to be. he's an easy read.

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she feels kinda defensively inward-focused and i feel like her solving energy is on too slow a roll

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I wanna give Saudaddy some support.
He's a brilliant player.

VOTE: Nepenthes

this one?
it was 3rd i think? & just came at a time when i felt like the pressure against her was trending downwards
i think scum!nep in that situation is probably starting to feel like she can escape the Pressure and it would be a weird mindset for scumbuddy!nor to be like "haha no die."

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ok

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i agree 1056 was good

was also trying to bait his lavar's sausage read and i don't think they noticed at all which is solving mindset indicative

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was also trying to bait his lavar's sausage read and i don't think they noticed at all which is solving mindset indicative

What bait do you mean

i wanted his sausage read to check how baller another of his reads are (i forgot which one) so i asked him for reads on foru players to make it seem like i just wanted an update

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explaining it is going to be abstract

let me substitute that for: how bold his claim was/how likely it was to come from scum!lavar.

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what claim? I can’t find anything in his iso that I can see fitting this description

read* not claim sorry, lingo fuckup
i'm the only one who's claimed

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I CAN'T REMEMBER

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do you disagree with the read?

I do not find her particularly scummy. What Saudade said about refusing to cooperate is generally NAI to me. It could just be a player who views the game differently and finds it hard to explain reads. I think his point of "not having a game solving mindset" would be valid, but I am not seeing it right now.

Whats useless to you isnt useless to me

I think I'm talking myself into townreading this so I'm dropping it for the jury to review.

Lavar actually reads like he cares about the way people are interacting with Nep's slot. His confusion at people lazily scumreading her for no reason is kinda cool in like a really finite vacuum but also

- scum!Lamar with scum!Nep who is picking up heat from sausage who Lamar is ?trying to pocket?/?townbinning to avoid? probably doesn't try to contradict sausage's read on her and if he does decide to I think it's pretty hard to have such a believable approach to contradicting it

- scum!Lamar with town!Nep probably just doesn't bother contradicting his strongest townread (who is the most assertive player on the plist) pushing a townie for kinda funky reasons

this kind of approach doesn't feel like it's coming from a scum mindset. someone please talk me down from this

@lilith



yo sirius9121 where is your head at this game?

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They're only final when you say I'm town. All other reads are invalid.

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you worryyyyy too muchhhh lavas is town

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Seems pretty basic to me?

oh yeah this is dead on. i came from an informed perspective of knowing that both you and lilith are delightful people. not an alignment-informed position.