Open 87 - Baby Too Much Scum - Over before 641

[iamausername]

Hi armlx. I believe you've just pulled ahead of The Fonz in the competition to see who I can end up in the most games with. Hi everyone else that I am much less familiar with, too.

Maybe he's trying the tried and true "replacement defense" where he simply replaces out at the first sign of pressure and hopes it dissipates.

Not sure if you're implying this is a scumtell or not, but I'm sure it's not; Rage did the same thing in a newbie game I'm in, and his replacement was lynched and turned up town. Not saying this proves that I'm town, because I'm guessing it's more likely a nulltell for Rage, but it's definitely not a valid scumtell.

So, most of the game so far has been taken up by the Oman/Goatrevolt spat, which has been very informative. I'm definitely seeing Goat as town. Oman's a bit more sketchy; I don't like the way he justifies his vote based on things that happened after he made it.

That said, I think the most interesting reaction came from Crazy.

Your vote was mostly in the random stage. Oman's wasn't. Thus, it is not hypocrisy.

And... bandwagoning? Just because it's the 3rd vote doesn't mean it's bandwagoning!

Unvote
Vote Goatrevolt

Now, the vote Crazy was talking about here was actually the

second

vote Goat received, but this suggests that Crazy thought he was putting a fourth (L-1) vote on Goat. On page 4. Based on total craplogic. Then as soon as he comes under any pressure at all for this, he takes away the vote and tries to deny all responsibility for it. Looks like he was hoping to slip onto the Goatwagon without drawing attention to himself and cracked when he realised it failed.

He later amends his position to "I'm thinking that both of them are town, actually." This, plus the fact that Crazy's been answering for Oman all over the place, makes a Crazy/Oman scumteam look extremely plausible. Once he realised they weren't going to be able to push the Goatwagon through to a lynch, he tries to pull attention away from his buddy.

So yeah,

Unvote, Vote: Crazy

. My vote was already on Crazy, but I want to make it clear that I am now the one voting for Crazy, not Rage. That early Goat vote is definitely the scummiest thing to happen in this game.

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Also thinking it's likely that non-Crazy/Oman scum (ie. the SK) is coasting by and letting Oman & Goat keep all the attention, which I'm seeing signs of in OGML and alvinz (but not so much skitzer).

[iamausername]

Also, you think Crazy/Oman are a scum team, however you think Crazy is scum partly because she is defending her scum buddy Oman. Doesn't it logically follow that you should then be voting for Oman, since that logic only holds up if Oman is actually scum?

No. I am suspicious of Crazy for reasons independant of his interactions with Oman. The opposite is not true. My logic for thinking Oman is scum only holds up if Crazy is actually scum, not the other way round.

Anyway,

Unvote, Vote: OGML

. He started off by warning people against lurkerhunting, and has then proceeded to lurk his way through the rest of the game.

[iamausername]

armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.

Why does that suck?

[iamausername]

armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.

Why does that suck?

Cause it means that a bandwagon forms, which means I need to form an opinion on it.

Why do you think armlx was responsible for the OGML wagon forming?

[iamausername]

armlx is now anti-OGML, which kinda sucks.

Why does that suck?

Cause it means that a bandwagon forms, which means I need to form an opinion on it.

How does this conversation not imply that you think armlx was responsible for the OGML wagon?

[iamausername]

OK, fine, how does that conversation not

directly state

that you think armlx is responsible?

[iamausername]

I get what Oman was saying by the "number of votes" thing. I didn't originally, but it obviously didn't show that armlx was responsible. What I find suspicious is Iamausername beating this dead case with a stick, after it was pretty much proven what Oman meant in that post.

FoS Iamausername

What the hell? Where was it "pretty much proven" what Oman meant? Because I still have no idea what "it's a number of votes thing" is supposed to mean, or how the fuck Oman saying "armlx is now anti-OGML, which sucks, because it means a wagon forms" can possibly not be sayng that armlx caused the wagon to form.

[iamausername]

I take back what I said here:

Also thinking it's likely that non-Crazy/Oman scum (ie. the SK) is coasting by and letting Oman & Goat keep all the attention, which I'm seeing signs of in OGML and alvinz (but not so much skitzer).

skitzer

is

just as bad for this as his predecessor.

Unvote, Vote: Crazy

. Grimmy doesn't seem to be, however, although it's probably too early to tell.

[iamausername]

"Grimmy doesn't seem to be

as bad for this as his predecessor

, however, although it's probably too early to tell."

Yeah, it probably would have read better if I'd stuck the vote change in a more logical place.

[iamausername]

Why are you now voting Crazy?

Same reasons I was voting him before.

[iamausername]

What makes my vote look like self-preservation? Why wouldn't I be interested in self-preservation, as a town player?

[iamausername]

Why has it taken you this long to reach the conclusion that my suspicion of Crazy is not genuine?

[iamausername]

IAUN, who are you talking to in your last post?

It was in response to your previous post.

[iamausername]

What are you talking about not genuine suspicion? Why are you voting Crazy if you don't suspect him?

I do suspect him. armlx suggested this suspicion was not genuine:

Self preservation is #2 to townies compared to finding scum.

I'm not seeing finding scum reasoning behind your vote

, so it must be #2. And self preservation happens to be the #1 scum priority....

I was wondering why.

[iamausername]

No, IAUN, I think your vote is disingenuous. Not Crazy's.

I know. I was asking why you think my vote is disingenuous, or rather, why you only started thinking this now.

[iamausername]

Your revote conveniently coincided with a time it helped you most to pressure someone that wasn't you.

I don't particularly see how it helped me more at that time than any other.

Here's a more blatant self-preservation vote for you:

Unvote, Vote: Oman

.

[iamausername]

If Username was town, I think he would be trying to build actual cases at this point, so close to lynch, rather than just mindlessly bandwagon. Self-preservation is important in town as it is in scum, but he should be more focused on finding scum and actually making an effort to scum-hunt before he dies.

I already made a case against you and Oman. Just because I didn't feel the need to repeat it when I switched my vote back that way doesn't mean it isn't there.

But just to reiterate, in case I do end up being lynched:

Crazy and Oman are such an obvious scumteam it hurts.
skitzer is a lurky lurker, reasonably likely SK.
OGML was the same, and Grimmy hasn't entirely shaken that off, so he's a possibility too.
Goatrevolt and armlx look pretty good to me.
I had to go look at the player list to even remember who the last player was, so I'm thinking I need to reread Netran/Mencellator real quick.

[iamausername]

Yeah, Mencellator seems like a cool guy too.