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/confirm and hello everyone. I have to reread before giving opinions. Except for Chenhsi: I am in other games with him and all he ever does is lurk. It makes me want to lynch him as a policy. But seeing as there's already a wagon on him, I'll not do anything rash before I read up on this.
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Ok, some observations:
Wumbo: the wagon on him made sense. His early claim was a bit weird and his defense contradictory and weak. I dislike how he just seemed to roll over and die, he even suggested he'd self-vote. His reason for voting DWS was also very weak. He looks quite scummy to me. But he could be very clumsy newb town.
Dark Wingstalker: Seems very careless, doesn't pay attention, makes lots of mistakes. Yet he claims not to be a newbie. It looks bad, but I can't think of a good reason for scum to act that way. Unless he hoped for a quicklynch on Wumbo?
Geraintm: Seems to be lurking in plain sight, I don't get much of a read on him. Lot's of posts with mainly very little content. He said one thing that rings alarm bells:
Forcing people to talk is good. Why would a townie be afraid of incriminating himself? This could also be a defense of Chenhsi. (Who doesn't deserve one.) Quite scummy.geraintm wrote:imaginality - i really don'tlike people putting u lists of questions for others to answer. i think t makes a player look like they are participating in a game when all they are doing is trying to force others to talk and incrimate themselves. you should at least answer the questions yourself
Litral: Votes Wumbo for claiming town. Now, if this was a hammer vote... maybe. But just for the claim? Seems a bit scummy.
Inspector Godot: contributes minimally, seems very non-committal.
Kenfucius: Seems to have disappeared since july 9th.
MOD: prod Kenfucius, please
Still tempted to jump on the Chenhsi wagon on general principal. I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me to vote anyone really.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Well, perhaps contradictory it the wrong word... anyways I couldn't follow the logic behind your actions. Maybe I should have said 'confusing'. The whole interaction around your 'claim' and the wagon on you didn't make a lot of sense to me. No idea what to make of it, though.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Look where it got you? It got you almost self-lynched! How does thatWumbo wrote:I don't believe that lurking is necessarily a bad thing, especially on a day 1 situation. I mean, I lurked for a little while, and look where that got me. So for now I'll stay off Chenhsi's back unless something happens.
make lurking good? Your logic keeps confounding me, good sir
1) Do you think that Chenhsi is town? And what exactly could happen if he doesn't post?
2) Another thing I keep wondering: what is so tempting about quicklynching yourself?
3) Could you explain your vote for DarkWing a bit more?
I mean, first you accept the vote was an accident - so you don't think he's scum. Then you vote him anyway. (The point nhat brought up was the L-1 vote, which Wumbo just called unintentional...)As for dark wingstalker, I think he may have just been overeager in casting a vote without really counting. I'm still suspicious of imaginality and Kenfucius at this point, but nhat does bring up a good point. So for now I'll harp on dark wing
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Later, you imply the vote was meant for pressure (despite first calling yourself a blunt guy, you had a hidden motive now?)
4) What exactly in DWS' defense convinced you to unvote?unvote: Dark WingStalker
for now. I didn't give a 12 hour ultimatum, but I suppose he's spoken his peace enough for me to take alleviate some pressure.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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No, Chen, I don't want you to claim. Knowing you have a PR would make this only ten times as frustrating. How about you ask for replacement instead? Someone who'll actually do some work for whichever team (s)he's on. Jeeze.
On the other hand: if you're going to claim, claim doc. Then the scum can kill you if we don't.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I deserve that Stranger... but I'm really starting to hate playing with Chenhsi - now I fear he'll claim something and we'll be forced to keep him alive because of it and tolerate his lurking and uselessness for a long long time. Not looking forward to that at all.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Joy. I was afraid of that. I'm inclined to believe it, too. I suggest that from now on we ignore chen, like he ignores us, until he says something interesting or someone counterclaims. That's what I'm going to do.
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@Wumbo: why yes, it's ad hominem - I don't like to be on a team with someone who finds killing himself the height of amusement. Sue me. (And if you're not on my team, there's no harm in lynching you anyway...) [sarcasm]I also spot a contradiction: you seemed to really enjoy getting wagoned the first time, and now you're suddenly complaining??[/sarcasm]
@imaginality: I agree. I think, unfortunately, Wumbo is most likely town as well. That vote was mostly a way to vent some frustration. For now, I'll ignore Wumbo as well.
I like the case against DWS + Litral. However, after his last post, I'd prefer to lynch DWS first. If he flips scum, Litral will look pretty bad...
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Does not sound sincere to me. Also, cop claiming D1 is not much better than getting lynched, in terms of screwing up the game.DWS wrote:Damnit chenshi, You just had to be an important powerrole. I do assume you'll inform us if you get any guilty reports, rather then just lurking away in the corner?? You came very very close to getting yourself lynched on day 1, and that woulda screwed that game up for us.
I think this might hint at the scum having a roleblocker, which would make our cop completely useless.Chenshi is claimed cop, so we cant really lynch him, until he breaks our trust by failing to clear himself,
He still wants to lynch lurkers, the safe choice for scum. He is careful not to hop on the Wumbo-wagon yet (well, if you would call my vote a wagon), but perhaps he had not seen that one yet.
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Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. That was just me being really annoyed that Chen was obviously about to claim a PR and so make the game a lot harder for us to win :p Also just maybe, if he had actually claimed doc, the scum would have had some doubt whether he really was the doc, creating a bit of wifom for them.
But, alas, he did what I feared he would do...
I propose kenfucius and maxwellhouse show up. It would be nice if one of you could counterclaim, kthx.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@Litral: What strategy? The strategy to make himself a guaranteed nightkill? And do you honestly think Chenhsi has a strategy?
(In fact, I think my post actually made claiming doc slightly safer for him, not that it matters in any way... Would have given him the excuse that I made him do it, nice little wifom for the scum to chew on.)Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Frankly, I did not consider the possibility that Chen has a strategy. I certainly didn't think through all the possibilities he would have if he did have one. That post was 95% pure frustration, 0% innovative idea (Thus my later rationalizations of it are a bit fail.)
I can see what you mean now but I can assure you I had not considered that option (ever, in fact, seeing as I'm quite new at this game). I will remember it for other games.
In other news, it's interesting to see DWS and Litral weakly defend eachother (with plenty wiggle room to fall back on if the other flips scum).Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@geraintm: yes, the ulterior motive was that I really wanted Chenhsi to be gone from the game. I didn't think saying something stupid myself would make his stupid claim any worse. Feel free to disagree, it's not some kind of brilliant tactic that I'm very proud of. Can we stop talking about it now?
Uhm, who and what do I misrepresent continually? That is a pretty huge accusation to throw at someone without backing it up. And which questions do I dodge? Frankly, I feel I have answered every question posed at me three or four times already. So please, point me towards those dodged questions.[/b]DWS wrote:Cass? The continual misrepresentation works against her, as does her dodging of certain questions.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Litral, that was such an extremely scummy post
If DWS flips scum, you only lose if you are indeed scum. The goal of this game (if you're town!) is to kill the scum, not to survive to the end. Getting yourself killed in exchange for getting a scum killed is pretty much always a fair exchange. And by no means a lose-lose situation.
And if he flips town, you win as well, because then your actions suddenly look much better in hindsight!
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I have no clue why he would, but then I have no clue why Chenhsi acts the way he acts, ever. I still think DWS is scummy, but two cops is pretty hard to believe. I don't see scum counterclaiming like Max did, so I do believe Max.
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I considered that, but don't see how it would clear things up. What if they both say they checked the other, and got a guilty? Or a lying scum could name any player whatsoever and say he got 'innocent'. It proves nothing.
I agree the claim seems to make no sense. But Chenhsi's death could give us lots of information: if he's scum, Max is probably honest (and we hope there's someone around who can protect him). If he's a cop, Max is probably scum.
The only catch I can see is they're both scum... seems highly unlikely, but in any case it makes Chen still a good lynch today.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Another option is there's more than one anti-town faction. In that case Max & DWS are most likely both scum (of different factions). There was only one kill, but it's entirely possible that Max was targeted and protected.
There's a few options:
1) We lynch DWS. If Max is honest or of another scum group, DWS turns up guilty. If Max is lying scum or insane, DWS turns up town.
2) We lynch Max. If he flips town cop, we should probably lynch DWS. Though that would greatly increase the probability of an insane cop (two sane town cops seems a bit much). If Max flips scum, this does not confirm DWS as innocent, because of:
3) This could be a big fat gambit and they're both mafia. That way, we kill one and it proves the other innocent.
So we could be looking at two scum, two innocents or any combination.
I have a bad feeling about Max. He doesn't seem confident about his own investigation. And if we're dealing with a scum group of three, this gambit is very much worth it. Also, DWS is very much the easy target for a lynch. Lynching DWS will not confirm Max nor prove his sanity with any kind of certainty. So:
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You have a point, leaving DWS alive isn't particularly useful. I guess we'll just have to hope something happens during night to confirm Max either way.
Because there's still the chance that Max is a sane cop:
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I do want to emphasize that whatever DWS flips, it doesn't (completely) confirm Max as anything.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Nhat: it wouldn't be such a bad gambit for a scum in this case. Chenhsi looked quite bad, and would have been lynched over most counterclaimers. There was DWS (whether scum or town) as an obvious victim for day two. All that keeps a scum-Max alive for two or three days at least, while distracting attention from his scumbuddies, a good chance of drawing out more power roles and control over who to mislynch.
So, call it lining up lynchings if you want - unless something confirms Max by tomorrow, I think we can't let him live. I'm willing to give him that chance, because several people seem inclined to trust him.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Well, imaginality suspected Wumbo (dropped that case), you (a lot), Litral (as your buddy) and geraintm. So it could point to one or more of those being scum. Especially if you flip scum. It could point to Max being scum and killing him to reinforce the case on you even more. Especially if you flip town.
He was inclined to believe Max' claim. No idea if that could be relevant. We might count it in favor of Max, if you flip scum.
He also came off as very townie and an active scumhunter. That alone might have been cause enough.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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That's why I voted Max earlier, he doesn't seem convinced by his own investigation. Even though I assume he checked DWS for being the scummiest player...StrangerCoug wrote:maxwellhouse, I have a question: If you investigated Dark wingstalker and he came back as guilty, then why are you worrying about sanity rather than voting him?
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I still think lynching DWS is the best option. Many of us thought he was scummy day 1. A claimed cop reports a guilty on him. I don't see any better evidence on anyone else.
Tonight, Max checks anyone he chooses, he certainly doesn't announce who. He tells us, first thing tomorrow, and hopes there's other town power roles who can help confirm him at some point. We decide on the next step tomorrow, based on what DWS flipped and Max'result. No need for lining up lynches todayCan't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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If there are two town cops, how is it scummy to doubt the second one? There was no way a townie could have known it was true. Seems more scummy to me tonotdoubt the claim.
This. I want either good reasons, or night actions. Nhats role does seem less likely. Both true is impossible. There do seem to be a lot of investigators in this town, either way...There are a few reasons why godot hasn't revealed who he investigated, but I want to hear it from him.
If Nhat is scum, that would mean a watcher or tracker type role among the scum, right? If Godot is scum, the town has a really high number of investigative roles. I don't know what's the more probable scenario.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Because he directly contradicts your claim. Meaning one of you has to be scum. Yet you are voting him 'to survive'. And throw doubt on him 'because it is too powerful'. You make no sense, man. Do you not see the contradiction? And why did you not tell us your investigations when you claimed?Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Did you just self-vote? Why?? Three cops... I guess that proves differing sanities.
I do not understand Battousai's logic for SC being scum. Is the only reason really that you didn't investigate him? Because that doesn't add up. Besides, with such a load of cops, the scum might well have stuff like a roleblocker and/or a godfather. So don't take any investigation results for granted! When I have more time, I'll look at all the claims in detail.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Ok, the claims up till now:
Chenhsi: cop, lynched day 1. Could have been any sanity.
Max: cop, got a guilty on the Godfather. So, paranoid or insane? Killed night 2.
Nhat: forensic investigator. Saw Godot-scum target imaginality. Killed night three.
Battousai: claims cop, innocent on Cass, geraintm & Litral. At least one of these is true (five mafia seems excessive ), so he isn't insane. Could be naive though.
Strangercoug: claims tracker. Tracked Max to DWS night 1. Got roleblocked night two. Tracked Litral night three (he went nowhere).
- I think a fourth cop should claim now
- I think a roleblocker should claim now
If these two exist, we could make some confirmed townies, possibly even find a scum. I am neither of these roles.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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SC, I do not want to speculate about the set-up until everybody has had a chance to claim. Then we can start drawing conclusions. I first want to know what Wumbo, Geraint and Litral (I think that's everyone who hasn't claimed?) have to say for themselves.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Hm, looking back Wumbo has already sort of claimed... vanilla I think? Or am I misinterpreting this quote:
This was early day one btw, not L-1 for him or anything.Wumbo wrote:Just a small town blue, living in a scummy world.
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@Stranger - I do not follow your logic anymore. You claim tracker, Battousai claims cop, in an impulse you yell 'counterclaim' and vote him. Then realize your mistake and as a consequence self-vote.
Why?
Then you unvote yourself again.
Why?
Then you decide Batt is scum anyways and you vote him again.
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Indeed, tracking a claimed cop is very useful. It comfirms (or doesn't!) whoever the cop claims to have looked at, and might catch a scum in the act: if the scum doesn't know about the tracker, he'll probably betray himself.
Note that the way and the time SC claimed is no proof of his claim, so this could just be a theoretical discussion.
I really don't want to draw conclusions about who's lying about what before geraint has had a chance to claim. His claim could potentially change everything.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I can't do that. Everything shifts depending on what he claims (4rth cop, roleblocker or neither). I really do not want to draw conclusions until I know. This is annoying.Battousai wrote:I think we are just waiting on geraintm to claim. Let's just go along and act like he claimed vanilla townie until he posts.
Mod: could you pretty please prod geraintm for us? His absence is holding up the game for all of us.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Thanks geraint Now we can move on.
My thoughts on this whole situation:
1) 2 dead cops, 1 claimed. Personally, I tend to believe Batt's claim. 3 cops and at least one other investigator makes me think none of the cops was sane. That makes Batt naive and his results null. Max was paranoid or insane, Chenhsi idem.
2) Strangercoug: the only claim right now that is a source of information. He claims tracker, implies a roleblocker and clears Litral. So, either SC is mafia, or the last mafia is a roleblocker.
Conclusions: with no protective roles and no roleblockers on the side of town, 1 NK both nights makes it pretty safe to assume there was three mafia, no SK. Meaning one mafia is still alive. Quite possibly a roleblocker.
Assuming SC is honest makes my suspects: Wumbo & geraintm. Alternatively, SC could be lying, which makes him scum. But I tend to believe SC actually, Litral wasn't the safest name to lie about.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Addendum: to Stranger, Battousai and Litral, there's of course three suspects rather than two: Cass, Wumbo & geraintm.
Litral proposes no-lynch, but with this limited pool of suspects, all claimed vanillas, I think it's much better to lynch someone. On gut I'd say Wumbo. But I should really reread and see if there's evidence on either one of them.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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How about this plan:
- we lynch wumbo
- if he isn't scum / the game hasn't ended, Stranger tracks me or geraintm (don't tell us who)
- Battousai checks Stranger (only one he hasn't yet, so)
Gives the scum something to think about. But I'm fairly sure Wumbo is our man anyways. So let's end this today
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In case anyone wants another reason to vote Wumbo - Godot 'investigated' him during night two, 'clearing' him:Godot wrote:Night 2: Investigated Wumbo. He hasn't posted much and I was interested to see if he was a scum trying to go under the radar or possibly a power role keeping quiet. Unfortunately I was told that he was at home, so I guess he's just a normal townie.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Yep, Godot. Who was lying scum. No one has investigated Wumbo for real, as far as I know.
Add to that: Cass, Wumbo & Geraint have claimed vanilla. Litral hasn't claimed cop or roleblocker. SC tried to track me the night he got blocked.Cass wrote: Battousai: claims cop, innocent on Cass, geraintm & Litral. At least one of these is true (five mafia seems excessive ), so he isn't insane. Could be naive though.
Strangercoug: claims tracker. Tracked Max to DWS night 1. Got roleblocked night two. Tracked Litral night three (he went nowhere).Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I think the set-up the way it seems to be makes perfect sense:
- Town has three non-sane cops. Two are useless, one could be useful.
- Town also has a forensic investigator. All the crazy cops walking around at night balance this quite powerful role. Imagine all four investigators had claimed at once, with conflicting results. That would have caused a pretty confused situation and scum could easily have claimed cop as well.
- A tracker. Now this one seems a bit excessive, so I'm not 100% sure I believe it. Willing to give him a chance to confirm himself though.
- Scum has a GF to confuse investigations even more, and a RB for balance.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Sorry for the posting spree; I'd been waiting for quite a while to put my thoughts down I have to agree that StrangerCoug has said and done some weird things.
@Stranger:
1) Why did you investigate me night 2? Why Litral night 3? Can you paraphrase the results the mod pm-ed you night 2 and 3?Let me tell you guys that I am a tracker and that maxwellhouse did indeed investigate Dark wingstalker Night 1 (the latter of which we all know xD). I tried to track Cass Night 2, but got roleblocked. Litral did not submit a night choice Night 3.
2)Why did/do you think the roleblocker is town?I think the roleblocker is town and blocked me by mistake trying to block the Mafia, but I'm not 100% sure.
He didn't, you misread, but even so:Since Battousai effectively counterclaimed me, Vote: Battousai.
3) There are multiple cops in this game. Why couldn't there be multiple trackers?
No, I haven't, but if I had, I'm pretty sure 'kill me' wouldHave you ever misinterpreted what you thought was a counterclaim against you? That's what I'm guilty of, and I know what that means; therefore, my vote stands. Now kill me.notbe my response.
4) I still don't get why you felt obliged to vote yourself after a simple misunderstanding. Nothing disastrous happened, as far as I can see. Care to explain your thought pocess a bit more?
5) Why would you be royally screwed over?All right, fine! I don't care if I'm royally screwed over
6) Why did you unvote Wumbo again, so soon after you voted him?
7) Yet you say you think Batt's a liar in that same post. Why would you support a no lynch then?I'm not against a no lynch if we have no other information to gain today, but right now we should be trying to find the third and most likely final scum. I'm going to vote: Battousai again for the time being, but no lynch should be a last resort here.
8) Why? Seeing as you started the claiming today.I am against massclaiming.
9) Why would you doubt the existence of a RB? Your own credibility depends on the presence of one...Meaning geraintm is the roleblocker and/or the roleblocker is scum (assuming, of course, it exists).
10) How mysterious. You sure you can't say anything more?I was afraid I blew it. That's all I'm going to say.
11) That sounds as if three cops is more likely than two cops. Yet you think Battousai is lying. Why?If there are three cops, the two sanity distributions that I see most likely are sane/naïve/paranoid and insane/naïve/paranoid. Two cops, one sane and one insane, isn't exactly likely, but I do find it believable.
12) How do you feel about lynching Wumbo today?Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Stranger, you're being paranoid. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, all I wanted was clarification on some points. And I got it, on most. I had already said I leaned towards beliving you.
@Stranger, Batt & Wumbo: did you even read my posts? I explained why scum is likely among me, geraint and Wumbo. I think Wumbo is scummier than geraint (and of course, I'm convinced I am innocent ).
Who do you propose we lynch? And why them?Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Stranger, how about this: Nhat had a very powerful investigatory role. You're a tracker, also not bad. Add a sane cop to that, and it's just too overpowered for town. Three crazy cops however (which makes more sense than two) balance Nhats role, by making crime scenes crowded and confusing. A tracker in this scenario is as much for finding the scum as for confirming all the cops.
All theory, yes, but it feels plausible to me. The downside is it makes Batt utterly useless. We'll just have to find the last scum the old-fashioned way...Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I don't believe Battousai 100%. I am pretty sure that Batt isn't aStrangerCoug wrote:
Am I correct in saying you believe Battousai is a cop, but not that a sane cop exists?Cass wrote:Stranger, how about this: Nhat had a very powerful investigatory role. You're a tracker, also not bad. Add a sane cop to that, and it's just too overpowered for town. Three crazy cops however (which makes more sense than two) balance Nhats role, by making crime scenes crowded and confusing. A tracker in this scenario is as much for finding the scum as for confirming all the cops.
All theory, yes, but it feels plausible to me. The downside is it makes Batt utterly useless. We'll just have to find the last scum the old-fashioned way...sanecop however. If there are three cops, I think none is sane. If there are two cops, Batt is by definition scum.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Why is Litral cleared?
We are assuming there is only one scum left. Last night, this scum killed someone, so they left their house. SC checked Litral last night, he didn't leave his house. Two options:
- SC is honest; Litral is now cleared.
- SC is lying scum; Litral (and everyone else) is now cleared.
I'm not sure I understand the question. I believe Batt say... 90%. His results sound credible, but he isn'tgeraintm wrote:what dont you beleive about bat? do you beleive he has got the results he has said he has got? do you just beleive he is sane or something like that?confirmedby any means. So I'm keeping the option open that he is the last scum, but, like Stranger, I'm also willing to give him a chance to confirm himself tonight.
I believe he is either insane, or scum. Would be nice if I was wrong, but I don't see that happening. My opinion. Thus I dont see his results as relevant - except that I think we should kill someone that has not been investigated and have him check the other one (SC or Wumbo, I prefer Wumbo as lynch).Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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In the beginning of the day, I did. Remember though, that at the time there wasn't any proof for multiple cops. If there's one dead cop and one claimed cop (and I had no further information), it makes sense not to trust the claimed cop immediately. Claiming a guilty on DWS would have been the easy choice for scum. We just got lucky that he was in fact the GF :p Also, I practically pushed DWS over the edge after I had thought things over for a while.There is a reason I investigated you. You really seemed to want to lynch Max D2 over DWS.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Also, Battousai, consider this: you are looking at day 2 from your own perspective. That perspective involved knowingfor a factthat there were multiple cops. I'm a vanilla, how could I have known that? Few games have more than one cop, but scum falseclaiming cop is relatively common. From my perspective of things, the odds are different than they are from your perspective.
If we lynch Wumbo, and you check Stranger, you can at the very least confirm your (lack of) sanity. With some luck, Stranger can confirm himself too. We'll be in a good position then. (Even if I were scum :p )Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Counterclaims are a good reason in many games - just not this one. I made the right decision in the end, so I have no regrets about that day.Battousai wrote:Cass: Regardless of my role I would have voted DWS over Max. Who should you lynch, a claimed cop or his guility result on D2? The result, if he turned up innocent I would have lynched Max the next day if he was alive. I honestly don't think there is a good reason to lynch a claimed cop when you can confirm his role without taking the chance of mislynching a cop.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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