Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[kravhen]

HEY Y'ALLLLLL

/southern accent [OFF]

If you're lucky enough you might just witness the gracious, full power of the Kravhen Gambit.

[kravhen]

Unvote

In case Flameaxe had a lingering vote...

unvote, vote: dahill

L-2, guys.

what happened last page when you said seth was still the best play?
feel a little more comfortable voting me since now there's a bandwagon?

Vote: Korts

What he said.

[kravhen]

Wow Korts smells scum... What kind of play is that?
Day 1 he's been buddying up and "obeying" ABR by going after Yoshi and then promising to lead a bandwagon on Seth day 2. That could very well be his way of not feeling guilty whenever Seth gets lynched, thanks to some "was only fulfilling a promise" "ABR told me to" "its his fault" kind of craplogic and gayplay.

Oh but wait... He's not even going after Seth anymore. The reason: there isn't enough support to go after Seth, so lets go after dahill instead since he's got a nicer bandwagon? Nice.

Korts, do you ever vote people because you REALLY think they're scum? Or do you just wanna lynch anyone? (can't blame you if you're scum, but you're making it painfully obvious here)

@ABR: Tell Korts to vote himself. See where it takes us.

[kravhen]

Can someone be a doc AND a lover?
Lol.

[kravhen]

@Korts: I didn't mean to put things in your mouth. But from the perspective of a new player to the game and after a decent read of the whole game so far, what I said is what kind of vibes I'm getting from you.

I still it's silly to act as ABR's lapdog in terms of voting and all... sure it's funny for shitz and lulz, but you really seemed to be ready to go all the way with that kind of voting... and perhaps HOPE it'd be viewed as "funny shitz and lulz" and not actually scum behavior. NOT ON MY WATCH, PUNK.

Yoshi was a good lynch though, somehow. Successful lynch within...what... 10 pages? Awesome.

[kravhen]

It

wasn't

without reason, and the reason wasn't that his bandwagon looked nicer.

ah the truth finally comes out
so seth was a better lynch...but i had a bigger BW

BOLDED PART, idiot.

@Kravhen: I'm not trying to be ABR's lapdog. I can make up my own mind.

Perspective dude. Perspective.
Just sayin' your behavior bordered a bit too much and perhaps crossed the line between silly and... pointless.

A simple question: who do you think is most scummy?

[kravhen]

ABR is nasty.
First claiming doc on day 1, then lists yoshi as scum, which he was.
Now he magically lists Jex as not only scum, but TREACHEROUS LOVER SCUM??

I'm not sure whether ABR crossed the line between silly and illogical, if there is even such a line for him. He also lived thru night 1 as a doc... I know that's kinda WIFOM but still... I would have voted ABR by now if it wasn't for one little fact that saves him out of my scum list for now: I really doubt if he was scum, that he would bus TWO teammates.

[kravhen]

I've self-hammered once thinking it was a cool and "die in honor" thing. What was that japanese term for honorful suicide?
Anyway.
It's not cool. You won't become a role model for emo kids everywhere and you won't have a cameo in an anime show

[kravhen]

(stil alive, will re-read and post tonight, although ive seen sneak peeks and this game is looking interesting enough... LETS CRACK THIS SHIZ OPEN)

[kravhen]

I feel bad for you, dahill.. i really do... lol
"You have been chosen to die!!"
I know I shouldve given a longer more contentful post right now, but Im a bit busy and not home atm, so expect it soon. I dont feel i have enough info to vote anyone as of yet, require more rereading, especially the part where people were analyzing Yoshi and trying to associate him with people...

So dont lynch anyone yet, kk?

[kravhen]

yeah man i dont like seeing dahill go like this... its like 1-2 people said "hey lets lynch him and see"... not enough participation from other people.
We need more opinions, drama, resistance, anything

[kravhen]

If I'm the treacherous lover, I'm not your partner, and we lynch you, dahill, today, the logical step is to lynch the other lover pair, therefore it would be stupid for me to have proposed this plan. And before you shout WIFOM, it's not so much of that here, because with me having (hypothetically) a town partner, who finds out tomorrow that I'm scum, I wouldn't be able to avoid death.

Wait, so you're saying you're scum?

[kravhen]

*Looks at Coron's join date*
Whoops, can't use the newbie excuse for this one huh?

[kravhen]

Coron, what don't you like about my tone?
Is my tone scummy?

I don't like the tone of your tone.

Yes.

*Looks at Coron's join date*
Whoops, can't use the newbie excuse for this one huh?

Why would you need to?

The question is, why would YOU need to? The joke was on you btw.
@Coron: How do you feel about what seems to be the town's strategy for the day (specifically Korts' idea) and the fact that our play revolves around Dahill only?

@ABR: He's not wasting our time...yet. Let's stay put and watch how he answers my question tho.

[kravhen]

IM STILL ALIVE.

I've been inactive in the past weeks do to RL issues but im all gewd now.
Moar posts coming up.

P.S.: Korts didn't I tell you self-voting is not cool or honorful in any way already?

[kravhen]

I'm still not sure where to allocate my vote... but I'm sure of this.
I'm not voting townies. I don't care about all the math you can feed me to prove or disprove a point about the lover plan, but guys... This is still mafia. We just keep doing our thang and lynch the scum. That's as simple as I can put it. We got a scum on day 1, pretty good, I'm confident we can get another one if we stop getting distracted by strange and obscure plans about lynching lovers. That's just confusing, the results are debatable and unclear... in other words, it's just not pro-town enough a plan for me to support.

Stop going after lovers. 4 lovers, only 1 scum in there. Just lynch another scum instead.
Just like someone else pointed out, isn't it just better to leave the lovers alive as long as possible? They can act as "untouchables" by scum, because as soon as they kill a single lover, the pairs' alignments are revealed and we pretty much jump on the scum-sheltering pair.

[kravhen]

EBWOP: O shit... just realized there was a deadline.. like NOW.
well crap, thats not much time to work here...
I personally don't have a big of a case on Korts but I do think his giving up stance (multiple times, too) is still odd... Ironically enough, I've done that kind of thing as a townie before because I thought it was cool or honorful and all those pretty colors, so i can sorta relate a bit... so I can't possibly vote him simply for that personally.

I'm officially considering it as a non-tell. But it seems the town has already chosen Korts. I guess now is the time when we wait and cross our fingers.

[kravhen]

i'm a little confused as to why the mafia wouldn't kill the doc?

To be honest, I'd rather not start a discussion on that. WIFOM reasons.

[kravhen]

scummy as hell ^^^

Vote: dahill

how is that scummy? i was speculating on why they wouldn't kill the doc, which is the town's only confirmed, not scum power role

Why do YOU think the scum didn't kill ABR if he was the doc?
Since you feel comfortable asking others, I wanna hear your own answer just for the lulz.

[kravhen]

Is speculating on doc protects as scummy?
ABR how did you miraculously choose the right person to protect? Perhaps if you shared the tells you picked up that guided you to believe the scum would target Farside for some reason, we can trace it back to the scum somehow?

Unless your pick was half-random. If that's the case, then nvm and let's move on.

[kravhen]

Unless ABR and/or farside are mafia.

Abr claimed doc. Try again.

Vote: Sethaniel

Claim does not equal 100% truth, although I personally believe ABR 99% as of now.
Seth did not deserve a vote... feels a bit OMGUS to me. I mean, if ABR was mafia, he could've just not killed last night to strengthen his doc claim.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the speed with which you bounced on Sethaniel like this is rather intriguing.

[kravhen]

Unless ABR and/or farside are mafia.

Abr claimed doc. Try again.

Vote: Sethaniel

Claim does not equal 100% truth, although I personally believe ABR 99% as of now.
Seth did not deserve a vote... feels a bit OMGUS to me. I mean, if ABR was mafia, he could've just not killed last night to strengthen his doc claim.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the speed with which you bounced on Sethaniel like this is rather intriguing.

Someone trying to make the doc looks scummy = scum to me

....
Anyone else got the impression I was trying to make the doc look scummy..?
I'm pretty sure my intention was trying to make you look scummy =/

[kravhen]

Oh.
My bad.
I blame waking up too early today. Im starting to see scum everywhere or something.

[kravhen]

I guess the only thing we need to know before we 100% clear ABR is to ask the 'real' doc to claim now.

In the absence of a claim, we can confirm ABR.
Even if this generates a fake claim, then we get a guaranteed scum in a 1 for 1 trade, rather than the 1 for 3 trade when we lynch a lover.

I'm not sure another doc claim is necessary at the moment... ABR is 99% certainly a doc, we got a successful protection last night, things are going smoothly doc-wise, IMO

[kravhen]

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

[kravhen]

Also looking at the lynch of Yoshi. I believe one of these people to be scum:

Coron
Kravhen
Silence
Sethaniel

None of them voted against Yoshi during the time.

Looking at who voted for yoshi. It was ABR, me, dahil, eldarad, babygirl (me), Jex/ Armix, and Korts.

I think more focust on these four are needed.

Bad logic. Ever heard of teammate bussing?

Also, I wasn't around for the Yoshi lynch, Flameaxe was... but he was inactive as fuck, with only 5 posts, NONE outside of the random jokey phase, then got replaced.

I don't know if you have other reasons to put the other 3 in your top4 scum candidate list besides not voting for Yoshi, but seeing my name on your list makes me a very sad cat. =/

[kravhen]

@Farside: What exactly IS your case on me? Make it clear.

[kravhen]

EBWOP: Right... right... Farside is "confirmed town" IF ABR is teh truth...
Then wtf are you doing farside?

[kravhen]

EBWOP: Right... right... Farside is "confirmed town" IF ABR is teh truth...
Then wtf are you doing farside?

Making it clear that I do not believe scum was on the Yoshi wagon. Even if there was one scum that leaves one scum still on the table. With four of you to choose from and Flameaxe's non particpation and not much from you. I'm good with my vote at the moment.

Are you STILL somehow linking your vote on me based on who did and didn't vote Yoshi?
Let me repeat in case you're deaf, which would be somewhat odd since this is text... Flameaxe posted 5 posts.. ALL IN THE RANDOM STAGE. In other words, Flameaxe never existed in this game, he never played. He wasn't lurking, he wasn't inactive, he just wasn't around at all, ever.
Then I came in on day 2 if I'm correct. Yoshi was already lynched.

Therefore please elaborate further on your stance, because I really don't see how your theory fits with this all... I think you're most likely town at the moment but this is just...retarded. Rethink your position before it's too late.

[kravhen]

Sorry about that. In regards to the above post.

Tell me who you think is scum and why. Do you believe that both scum were on the yoshi wagon and why? I also stated that you have not done much scum hunting wise so it is not just Flameaxe that I'm thinking of in regards to play style.

I'm not sure yet about who tops my scumdar but Coron sure is giving me strange vibes lately... And I'm trying not to involve the Yoshi train since I wasn't there although if I was, my vote was probably ending up on him considering how blatantly scummy he was. Which also means there's a good chance scum WAS on the wagon. But the problem is this is as far as we can go with guessing if there was or not a scum on the wagon.

[kravhen]

ABR doesn't like any wagons... He likes HIS wagons.

[kravhen]

sorry for not posting..finals week and such
anyways, it appears that krahven is getting votes because

he's the scummiest that wasn't on the yoshi wagon.

i can see some of the points made against him (throwing some doubt on the doc), but i don't see why the case against seth still isn't relevant

What is that really the reason thers a wagon on me?
Kravhen-voters, please confirm.

[kravhen]

Flameaxe was INACTIVE. When will you get it?

[kravhen]

Here

Vote: ABR

farside22 wrote:
vote: Flameaxe
because I don't know which flameaxe is in the game. Are you going to be logical or illogical this game?

Dice Roll:
Original Roll String: 1d2
1 2-Sided Dice Results: 2

Which number is for which is a mystery.

I am a banana!

Quote:
I don't really know what gave you the idea that you are a great scum hunter anyway. The (completed) game I read that you played in, the first thing you did was kill the cop because you were sure he was scum.

Hey! I know that game!

These are all five of Flameaxe's posts. Please indicate me where the scummy lies, because I can't see it. It's like Flameaxe never even played before I came in...

OMGUS FOS: Y'all for being retarded

Seriously, this is a true O MY GOD U SUCK situation. I am OMGUS at you.

[kravhen]

wtf is BBM? ...

[kravhen]

wtf is BBM? ...

=Flameaxe I believe.

Oh...

Well I'm still waiting for the solid case on me. *fidgets*

It still eludes me why Farside, presumably confirmed town, keeps being dumb with flameaxe accusations. But more interesting are those who followed the bandwagon on such an empty, worthless case.

[kravhen]

Yeah eldarad you're fine... kind of. It sucks when people don't seem like they're paying attention, doesn't it? It just kinda seemed out of nowhere to ask ABR why he wasn't voting for me... Because that's when people started stacking over me because of Flameaxe's play and stuff..

I'm more puzzled about what farside is trying to accomplish... like i'd almost vote farside but she's 99% town so that'd be dumb... so all I can do is stand here and tell farside her case is dumb and hope she drops it =/

I'm getting a funny feeling about dahill and coron. But no case nor vote on them yet... I'll get to analysis mode as soon as I'm done dealing with the people stacking on me. Maybe if I write it in bold and really large font they'll feel stupid and withdraw their votes.

Neither me nor Flameaxe were here on Day 1. You guys lynched Yoshi by yourselves, we didn't have a single word about it.

I mean, I would understand if Flameaxe was active and stuff, and when you guys started talking about who jumped or not on Yoshi, I went back and read day 1 and i'm like "...wtf? flameaxe isn't anywhere, wtf are they talking about"

[kravhen]

God damn it kravhen, even if Flameaxe wasn't around,

what they're saying is that a scum-team member WOULDN'T have voted him

, not that your lack of vote was particularly scummy, but that their vote was townie.

Since a bunch of other people look more town then guess what? You end up looking more scummy.

Honestly Kravhen, same situation is true of me, I just can see logic.

Naw man. We can't ever know for sure, but Yoshi was scummy enough to have had at least a scum on the wagon to appear townie. The dude got lynched on a short day 1... that's how scummy he was.

I think I see where you're coming from, but I still think it's a lazy way to look at it. Pointing the inactive guy. Flameaxe could've just as well been active and be on the Yoshi bandwagon... I would've. But see, he wasn't there. There is no material to work on, no content to analyze. It's stupid to compare scumminess of active and inactive people... Like, what exactly does it take for someone to be more townie than an inactive person? Or what does it take to be scummier than said inactive person? It's like comparing you with some other player in some other game. It just doesn't work. It's as bad as someone claiming Flameaxe left because his non-scum role was boring.

Anyway, I'm glad you came out of your odd dark path phase there to chat seriously.

[kravhen]

Yes, I agree that the people who voted Yoshi aren't nessisarily town, but you being there or not has nothing to do with it, and you kept repeating the same pointless comment over and over and over.

It just seemed like people completely ignored it, so i just stood there like "wtf are these people deaf? retarded?" Imagine people voting you for a retarded reason and no one else but you reacting to it, wouldn't that make you nuts?

[kravhen]

Vote: kravhen

Well aren't you cool, now, hmm?...

[kravhen]

*After re-reading Coron*

Coron just switched from being silent and under the radar for most of the game, to now trying to sweep an easy lynch.

Vote: Coron

You would've never sprung out like that if I hadn't had votes on me already, with the momentum against me like this. Because I now acknowledge that me procrastinating isn't helping my case at all, I also now see you've abandoned your backseat strategy and decided to launch with opportunism. You were contemplating voting me for your past couple of posts, and now finally you've run out of patience or you think the moment is right.

You're scum.

[kravhen]

Wtf am I lynched?
You idiots...

[kravhen]

EBWOP: Nvm im at L-1....

I finally give enough a damn about this game to actually read stuff AND think about it lengthly and I wind up at L-1. Interesting.

Detective Kravhen is at work, boys and girls, a lynch at the moment is out of the question.

@Armlx: That's a funny vote right there. I wasn't doing anything to progress the discussion? I have been defending myself for the past page or so, some of it because I thought I was misunderstood and/or didn't clearly grasp why I got honored with 2 votes. Especially from confirmed-townie farside. We're not seeing YOU pitching in your opinions either, what do you think?
You awfully smell like scum trying to slip in a L-1 vote on the bandwagon that's most likely to bear fruit at the moment, while avoiding being the evil hammer.

In addition to this vote, these are other actions of yours that tickle my scumdar:

Holy shit Jex was dumb this game.

I like where her vote was though. Looks a lot like another ongoing with KortS scum to say the least, plus the whole lover lynch push....

First line of the game, possibly you trying to sever links with Jex's past scummy actions as fast as possible. I've thought alot about the fact you kept Jex's vote on Korts but I haven't come up with a conclusion yet.

Ah, but you fail to realize the scum have no incentive to kill the lover pair, especially if Korts is scum and is lynched.

The way that sentence is written, it can almost seem like you were

too

familiar with the scum's incentives to kill or not the lover pair.

The big deal comes around the whole lover mambo jumbo. Almost ALL of your theorizing and arguing revolved around lovers. You proposed scenarios of lover lynching and whatnot. Plainly, you sure liked to talk alot about lover theories... EXCEPT you were also relunctant to come to a decision. Look here:

Basically killing any lovers is disadvantageous for both sides until the game is already more or less over.

After that you blah blah a bit more, and then once again take a step back and away from the lover business, with this post:

I'm not sure. I'm sorta ignoring the whole lover scenario until I absolutely have to decide.

So you talk a lot about lovers, but aren't willing to be involved in any lynching regarding them.

FOS: Armlx

. Chance of Armlx being scum... 80%. Chance he's the treacherous lover if he's scum... 95%. I would vote you but I want my vote to be on Coron at least until he reacts to it a bit.

[kravhen]

EBWOP: Oh Coron posted when I was typing that. The vote on him will still chill there for a bit though, he's not out of the woods yet, not with a simple unvote.

[kravhen]

Even when the Kravhen isn't talking, the Kravhen is watching.

[kravhen]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

You aren't doing anything to progress the discussion. Very scummy.

Unvote, FOS, may as well be Vote Kravhen

Claim please.

Oh. See, this looks like "vote Kravhen" to me. And I'm not the only one who thought so.

I do see your point about babbling and general railing against the wagon.
What he has never done - and I have tried to illicit this - is to answer the points I made.
I seem to recall a thread in Mafia Discussion about scum complaining for being lynched for the "wrong reasons" (rather than complaining about being lynched). Maybe it's relevant here.

I'm sorry your points got lost in the noise, I'll attend to them later. I'm posting this while my soccer team is playing, so I'll read back a bit later.

[kravhen]

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

I didn't think it was obvious...This looks like an opportunity to jump on people for no reason. Also interesting how your attack on dahill is qualified somewhat.
Dahill does look scummy sometimes - although he played the lover claim really well I thought. I think I could see a Kravhen-dahill scumgroup.

vote Kravhen

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

Everyone else is assuming that the scum hit someone who was protected, thus farside is confirmed.
That's a much more dangerous assumption.

I assume this is your case.
There isn't much to "answer" though. You vote me seeing a Kravhen-Dahill scumgroup hmm. At the moment I believe Dahill to be more town than scum. Even you said you thought he dealt with the whole lover deal rather well. Wasn't he the one that was ready to be policy lynched for the cause? That alone leads me to believe he's pro-town.

As for the ABR-joking... It WAS pretty obvious IMO... I mean, look at this:

Guys. I lied about being a doctor. I'm just a vanilla townie.

I know who the real doctor is.

How do you know who the doctor is as a vanilla townie? =/

Yes, that's right. I'm the scum. Lynch me on the spot.


...



We good, now ? Everyone believe me ?

Oh now he's a scum, not a townie anymore. Meh. Obvious demonstration of ABR joking in my opinion... Is this your first game with ABR?
Anyhoo, right after that silence's post indicated that he somehow completely believes ABR and that we should, indeed, lynch him as he said, "on the spot". Look at this post and tell me it's not at least a little bit shady...

Argh. Why did the real doctor not claim earlier? (Now he probably shouldn't)

How does ABR claim to 'know' the real doctor?

Do we have any reason not to lynch ABR immediately?

He immediately assumes everything ABR just said was real, throws a question on how he knows the real doc, etc. etc. without even considering ABR is being an annoying ass as usual. Armlx even pointed it out.. that ABR had "history of that as town", so I'm not the only one familiar with his behavior.

Silence and dahill(in a lesser way), the speed on which you jumped on your horses with the lynching rope is noted.

It looked pretty damn OBVIOUS ABR was joking.

It's a win-win situation, and completely defeats the WIFOM that the scum may have been trying to set up by not killing.

We can't know whether they didnt kill or just landed on doc protection... stop assuming =/

As for this, I still stand by my statement. Especially in this game setup, I find it highly unlikely that the scum didn't kill, especially with the chance of hitting 2 townies with one kill (lovers). Although assuming anything 100% can be bad since we can pretty much never be that sure of either way, I personally believe it's more sanely believable that they DID land on doc protection. Scum would just be stupid not to kill to "set up WIFOM" in this game. If they didn't kill, the real doc would've claimed after ABR claimed to have protected farside. Then we'd have had something.

Either way, don't you find it interesting how doc protections end up creating a bunch of WIFOM when they are successful? It's supposed to be a beneficial event for the town. Which makes me think, and I ask this purely out of curiosity. Was there any kind of theory or plan ever made concerning asking the confirmed doc NOT to protect anyone so that there was no NK wifom possible converning the protection? I'm sorry if my theory is full of flaws, I'm just curious, and the idea just sprung in my head as I was writing this.

[kravhen]

He was just babbling away instead of trying to combat the points people made about his behavior, aka stalling.

And I did not Vote him. I put an FOS on him that I intended to be a vote for all purposes except putting him at L-1.

Btw that's wishy washy. Wanting to vote without voting. It's like wanting to shoot someone, but not being the one holding the gun.

I'd like to hear input from Dahill, ABR and silence on these last few pages.

[kravhen]

(( Do we need prods? ))

[kravhen]

He immediately assumes everything ABR just said was real, throws a question on how he knows the real doc, etc. etc. without even considering ABR is being an annoying ass as usual. Armlx even pointed it out.. that ABR had "history of that as town", so I'm not the only one familiar with his behavior.

As I already stated, I missed ABR's later post which would have implied even to me that he was joking. From the earlier post I genuinely thought he is claiming not to be doctor. Which I think would have been a good reason to lynch him, had it not been a joke. Yes, this is my first game with ABR.


About armlx's 'pseudo-vote', I see nothing 'wishy washy' about that. No reason to enable hammering before it has been discussed completely.

I know. I was just answering eldarad's case on the reason why I voted you and dahill at the time of the joke. ((It DOES look obvious he wasnt jking, doesnt it?))

[kravhen]

I would but I still don't want to rush things.... There are still people who need to comment on the last couple pages including the me vs coron thing.

[kravhen]

Armlx is our play for today, but why are you all against more discussion on the last few pages..?

Vote: Armlx

I will STILL be wanting opinions on this day from some people. Like Farside, who supposedly re-read the Coron-Kravhen episode to see who he thinks is most scummy. Coron tickles my scumdar but I might be biased a bit, so i'm interested what y'all think.

[kravhen]

I was tempted to type "FOS that might as well be vote armlx"

[kravhen]

So we're 5 townies vs 1 scum. It's lookin' good, but it's not over yet.
This last NK confirms ABR was indeed the doctor, even though that was pretty much confirmed already, now at least he's cleared of all doubt concerning that.

Am I the only one who thinks now is a good time for any cop out there to claim and tell us the result of every investigation they made? That would work out pretty good IMO at this point in the game.

[kravhen]

EBWOP: Oh, also, the other lover pair is pretty much confirmed town now, aren't they? Neat. That narrows it down to less people.

[kravhen]

I am dahill's lover. I claimed bloody ages ago.

Kravhen, there's no cop in this game you muppet...

*checks page 1*
Ahh... my bad.. I assumed there was one because there was a doc, heh.

[kravhen]

How have we managed to get up to page 29?! There doesn't seem to be 29 pages of content.
Anyway...I'm re-reading the thread, focussing on:
Coron (

Qman

)
Sethaniel
Kravhen (

Flameaxe

)
farside (

babygirl

)

Looking for links with Yoshi and armix (

Jex

) (and possibly silence, if the mafia decided to buddy up to the treacherous lover's lover)

~~~

Quick Day 1 Re-read

ABR, do you have a reason for liking Jex? If you can give me a good one, I'll vote for her.

This looked scummy at the time (almost 3 months ago!). It looks scummy now. But you know what? I'm not sure if it means he's scum.

Jexscum makes an early case based on Coron-farside interactions. Farside has since been NKed as town. And has since replaced into a different role. Which makes re-reading a bitch.

Yoshi finds "Jex, Korts/replacement, and Sethaniel most suspicious."
That's Yoshiscum linking Jexscum to Kortstown and Seth???
Yoshi'd next post explains the Jexhate, and asks Seth for an explanation. The Korts suspicion is dropped.

Seth claims vanilla townie. It's a very early claim. Sounds sincere, but I'm not sure.
Jex puts Yoshi at L-1. babygirl (now farside) hammers.

ABR - 3 (Flameaxe, Sethaniel, Yoshi)

3 people voting for the doc on Day 1. One of which is confirmed scum. Were there 2 scum on the ABR counterwagon Day 1? That doesn't seem unlikely.

Vote: ABR

[kravhen]

Kravhen, does that mean that you think I am wrong in saying that 2 scum were on ABR's wagon? Or do you think that Seth in scum?

Not sure. It was never big for me to guess where scums are on wagons, although the first time I read the accusation, I had forgotten the fact that ABR had claimed doctor wayyyy early so I interpreted Eldarad's logic as "Wagon on the doctor = must be scum" but i was like "uhh we didnt know the doc that early... did we?" We did. So hmmmmm... So I went back to read a bit of D1.

ABR claims doc, and the first to jump on him for the claim is Eldarad:

I'll gladly give myself over in exchange of lynching 2 scumzz

cool. who are the 2 scum?

unvote
vote ABR

In fact, the wagon on ABR at that point in the game was...

ABR - 3 (Flameaxe, Sethaniel, Elderad)

With Flameaxe's who is a random-phase vote.


Eldarad seems convinced there was scum on the wagon yet he seems to have forgotten he was the first to jump on it. Nothing big, and I don't find it particularly scummy here, due to ABR's crazy early claim, but Eldarad quoted the "ABR" wagon while forgetting to include himself. Purposely leaving himself out? Eldarad then unvoted and voted Yoshi after his "horrendous" post that screamed SCUM all over.

So do I think there was 2 scum on ABR's wagon? It's highly possible there was scum, indeed. Now if there was "2", I dunno... Debating whether there was 2 is difficult. There might have been if they believed ABR's crazy claim was enough to get to a lynch while not scummifying them too much, or they might not have been if one or more decided to "stand back" and watch rather than start bandwagoning together.

@Eldarad, Seth: What makes YOU believe there was a magic number of TWO scum on ABR?

Also, Eld, now that you mention Seth... I've been meaning to do my personal analysis on him for a while since alot of people found him scummy at one point or the other, for a long time... but I kept getting sidetracked. I'll get to it as soon as I can, but not today, for today is Quebec's birthday, and so today is booze and decadence.

[kravhen]

Is Kraven scum or forgetful. Look above for his explaination that says nothing at all.

FOS Kraven

...This post of yours doesn't do much either...
You're asking me about something I wasn't even around for, but not only that... there's also the fact that I can't really come to a conclusion on which wagon scum was on. Isn't that kind of like guessing night kill motives?

[kravhen]

I'm not trying to put a case on Eldarad. But leaving provocative bits that make it look like it is something I love to do, even when the person is far from topping my scummy list. When I try to make a case on someone, it usually if very methodical, with quotes and shit, kinda like I did to Coron and Armlx/Jex a few pages back.

[kravhen]

WTF IM HAVING A SCUMDAY! LOL OMG.... IT PASSED SO FAST.... DAMN.
Remembering the days I joined MS, my live is soooo different on so many levels now. Dang. And not just mafia-wise. I mean yeah now I'm paranoid of everyone and wondering who's scum on my bus rides all the time, but still.... Great stuff.

*OUT-OF-CONTEXT OVER*

[kravhen]

Hmm Eldarad is the lover. Right.

@Eldarad, Seth: What makes YOU believe there was a magic number of TWO scum on ABR?

This line was meant to ask Eldarad his opinion on the matter, because clearly if there's such a high possibility that there was 2 scum on that wagon, I feel as though I'm missing the logic. I added your name(seth) to that line because I DID say I wanted to have more reads on you. Take is as a "what's your take on the matter, seth?"

[kravhen]

I haven't re-read the whole of Seth though, I've been a tad busy but worry not, it will be done. In the meantime, Coron holds my top scummy position right now, but it might be misleading for me to say I think he's totally scum when i haven't formulated an opinion on everyone else... I'm also being careful not to see Coron in a very bad light simply because of underlying OMGUS feelings and whatnot. But he did spring to ultra activity at that point, it seemed out of place with the rest of the game's behavior. Even now he's fallen back to a bit of a spectator's seat. Kinda like Dahill. Except he's confirmed town.

[kravhen]

I'll just point out I'm not V/L/A... it's just my bday today (right after my scumday lolz), and this week was a national festival, etc. etc. In other words I've been busy and distracted, but I'll get around to drop my analysis soon, perhaps in the weekend.
There's no deadline or anything, so let's not rush anything and try to finish this day.

[kravhen]

I'm really not liking the whole "Lets quicklynch and then actually THINK tomorrow with who's left" vibe going on...

Some people should unvote... i was forced to lurk due to being busy with quebec day AND canada day (yes in the same week) and so I was rarely sober and in the mood for this. I've been promising a Seth re-read and analysis for a while, which I'm thinking of turning into a player-by-player analysis, don't lynch anyone until I do plz.

[kravhen]

Wtf....
Seth honestly that post about self-hammering yourself to "prove townishness" stands out in such a horrible way.
Claim you're scum already and declare us winners...?

((Farside is "confirmed town" btw...))

[kravhen]

Wow we're 3 left... and in lylo...

I'll also point out I'm not scum, for whatever it's worth.
This is a weird position to be in, first time for me. I mean, I obviously know who is scum at this point lol...

Farside as the confirmed town, should you be leading the discussions/asking the questions? I'm in unexplored territory here.

Either way, I'll be doing a complete reread with focus on Coron. Maybe Seth also, as he has been scummy for most of the game, it should be interesting how people reacted to him. Yeah yeah I've been promising Seth forever, but yesterday ended a tad too fast for my taste, and it kinda burst my bubble so I stopped short.

[kravhen]

I just jumped in this game because of the many familiar names, and didn't have enough time at the beginning. In fact, I don't have much time right now either, which is why my post count has gone down quite a bit. I'll still post my analysis say uh... tomorrow or something.

[kravhen]

Wow everyone seems to have put this on that "backburner"...
Let's have a common, group effort and finish this so that our souls may rest in peace, yes?
Let's set up a date or something. Not a deadline, just a period of time when we can all be active for a couple days. Maybe over next week? I got a convention this weekend.

[kravhen]

Well some of that, but mostly because I got busy. I havent slept all weekend and I'm still busy today. I'll go downtown to some nice cafe and just re-read the whole game again tomorrow, promise.
And have an analysis ready before friday. Then we can wrap this shiz up.
Good?