Open 69 - Two of Four Mafia (a9) - Game Over before 592

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hi all

vote: lowell

fos: poj

for invoking the name of his holiness without showing enough respect

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glad you guys could kiss and make up but are you gonna do anything useful with that vote now poj?

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glad you guys could kiss and make up but are you gonna do anything useful with that vote now poj?

I'll wait for a while before placing it on the biggest lurker.

unvote, vote: pojedinac

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similar to what i said to poj:

hey darla, glad to see you think the most useless part of the game is over, could you please now find a real home for your vote?

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Personally, I tend to shrug off anything below L-1. Just ask rofl.

thats true enough, scum.

my vote stays with me until I find a compatible home for it.

how about doing something proactive to find it a home rather than sitting there like a bump on a log and watching the game be played around you.

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i am preoccupied with you taking an active role in the game. voting me for calling you out on sitting around doing nothing is not what i was looking for.

question for you:
what is the scummiest thing you have seen so far this game

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ok, if you think thats the scummiest thing in the game, why are you voting me, and why aren't you at least questioning poj about said scummy action?

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super duper fos: lowell

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you're trying very hard to defend what boils down to opportunism.

unvote, vote: lowell

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and your bubbly personality is doing wonders

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i would. there's nothing wrong with lynch-2 itself, there is something wrong with cursing and hollering about a self-vote like we shouldn't consider lynching anybody else.

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exactly.

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point blank refusal to provide a meta defense. can we lynch this scum already?

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lowell:

how does self-voting make somebody more likely to be scum?

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sarnath'd

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lowell:

how does self-voting make somebody more likely to be scum?

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lowell:

how does self-voting make somebody more likely to be scum?

while we're at it, lowell:

you gonna do any actual scumhunting?

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LOWELL

, PLEASE STOP IGNORING THIS QUESTION OR STOP TRYING TO LYNCH NATIRASHA:

HOW DOES SELF-VOTING MAKE SOMEBODY MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM?

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more votes for lowell are necessary

mod, vote count please

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rofl

- By far the most annoying, specifically regarding the self-vote is-it-or-isn't-it issue. However, he's been in a lot of people's faces, and is not so blinded by tunnel-vision. His overall aggressiveness in general reads

town

to me.

i'm a bit wary of this. obviously its not just trying to get on my good side (you are calling me annoying after all), but saying i'm town seems like an easy way to try and get me to back off. and if you're scum, then you know i'm town.

however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that, so for now i'm willing to write off our disagreement as just that, an honest disagreement. still not lynching natirasha over the self-voting though.

unvote, vote: korts

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however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that

Hey there. My name's Alabaska J.

hey there lowell raised legitimate points against you

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Did not see PM, apologies. I'm here now.

just being here isn't the same as participating you know.

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unvote, vote: alabaska j

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it is beautiful you should get on it with us.

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wow this wagon is going places

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Strangest NK I've seen in a good while.

Anyways, in order of scum to not scum.

Roflcopter and Darla seem to be the targets of the day.

you seem to be pointendly ignoring korts.

that lynch was ridic, i didn't realize it was only five to lynch but the wagon built too fast anyway.

dbe looked like legit not noticing she was hammering, which is bad but i also didn't take into account the fact that this game is 9p instead of 12p.

korts on the other hand just /agreed with me and voted.

vote: natirasha

fos: korts

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i said it at the beginning of my post, he ignored korts and listed myself and dbe.

i also just read nat's posts in isolation, and what do you know, all he did yesterday was worthless self voting, banter about that, omgus voting dbe, and then sidling onto the lowell wagon with, again, an omgus vote.

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my explanation for the fos was also right there in the post.

his vote for lowell was a bandwagon hop by simpling /agreeing with me.

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uh huh.

korts defending natirasha, as expected.

when i quote a post then vote for somebody, you can take it to mean "this post is scummy enough to vote for in my humble opinion" in the future.

that also wasn't the first time you simply /agreed with something i had said. i guess you're finally done trying to buddy up to me?

why don't you try reading nat's posts in isolation too and see if you agree with me instead of just accusing me of looking for any old excuse to "almost-OMGUS."

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nice. so nat, you're saying that we shouldn't bother to look at korts, but you don't have a reason not to, and that i need to be examined, but you can't be arsed to do it yourself.

thats spectacular.

can we get some more votes on this clown please?

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hey that argument was stupid lets all be friends and vote for natirasha together, k?

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fuck no its not a policy lynch i hate policy lynches.

natirasha looks legitimately scummy please read his posts and see for yourself.

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mod: votecount please

seeing where we are will be helpful but i'm sure wherever it is, more natirasha votes will be a good thing.

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jesus christ not posting for 48 hours =/= lurking guys, and nice double standard miss darla i'm having internet problems lulz sry blue eyes.

i've had a busy weekend (note, it was the weekend, a time when many people are doing things in real life that take them away from computers) and need to catch up in this game.

mod, i would appreciate an official votecount at this point to see where i stand, i'm fairly certain there's been a substantial change since the last vc.

so, on the agenda for tonight/tomorrow for me is: laying out exactly why natirasha is scum, and determining which of the people who think its a good idea to vote for me is his partner. sorry to keep y'all waiting.

and dcorbe, the multiposting is giving me a seizure in every game i see you in, please cut it out.

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the following is a post by post analysis of natirasha, scumbag extraordinaire.

vote: Natirasha

a self-vote. unreadable, unhelpful, and yet, its what he does in every game. probably to cultivate some stupid maverick image for himself on this site, in hopes that while it'll get him lynched as town a few times, in the future he'll be able to hide behind it as scum. like right now. but I digress.

I actually can't get an avatar because my photobucket account got hijacked by 4chan...

well that doesn't seem to be on the topic of playing a game of mafia, but its still the random voting phase so thats ok...

Natirasha: Now with avatar!

a followup to the prior, non-game-related post...

unvote: Alabaska

because I just saw that you are a fellow Texan.

I live in Dallas.

me too ^^ (well a few miles north but who's counting?)

Well, I'm more accurately living in Ft. Worth.

hey, no longer chit chatting about avatars, wonderful! oh, wait, now you're talking about your hometown. gee willikers thats a great way to find scum.

I always start games with a self-vote. I can provide far too many examples, if you want.

here he is, relating how the self-vote should be considered a null-tell. and note, still not actually participating in this particular game of mafia that we're playing, as he's just further building his 'i always self vote' meta.

I always start games with a self-vote.

Why? For the love of Flying Spaghetti Monster, Why?

Because it usually gets the game moving qucker, I like to, and why not?

i'm sure eventually he'll actually start playing the game.

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

for OMGUSy reasons.

or, he'll just omgus. but maybe he thinks its still appropriate to semi random vote? there's got to be more coming from him, right? ..right?

however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that

Hey there. My name's Alabaska J.

hey there lowell raised legitimate points against you

IMO nope.

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HoS: Korts

as he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.

I support this. At this point, I'm ready to

unvote, vote: Lowell.

He's done nothing but attack me over a point that results to a null-tell at best.

no, i was wrong. instead he'll see a townie attacking another townie and jump in there to stoke the fires, omgus lowell and remind us one more time that self-voting doesn't mean anything and he does it all the time.

by golly, thats it for day one! thats all he managed to post. one self vote, two posts about avatars, one about dallas, two about his own self vote, one meaningless omgus, and one more omgus in relation to his self vote. it seems to me that the self vote became a pretty nifty shield for him to hide behind while doing jack squat all fucking day long. nobody even seemed to notice him not making a god damn difference in the course of the game.

anyway, on to day two. there's not a whole lot here either but his scummitude is showing a little more.

Strangest NK I've seen in a good while.

Anyways, in order of scum to not scum.

Roflcopter and Darla seem to be the targets of the day.

woah guys, natirasha thought the nk was strange, that definitely means he couldn't have had aaaaanything to do with it at all. amiright? /sarcasm.
and as i pointed out when he posted this gem, no reasoning whatsoever is provided as to why darla and myself stand out and korts is not suspected at all in relation to the alabaska wagon. in fact, i can only guess he chose me and darla because of the alabaska wagon, he doesn't actually tell us. wonderful!

To tell you the truth, this game is the lowest one I've been paying attention to.
However, I have a personal "Do not replace" policy, and continue to play. Anyways, yesterday, I was dealing with Lowell and ignoring pretty much everyone else. I'm going to go re-read Korts and see why everyone seems to think he's scummy.

ah, thats a good way to get the attention off of yourself nat, tell us that you don't really care about this game at all. and by "yesterday i was dealing with lowell" what natirasha really means is "yesterday i made one post in which i voted lowell literally only because he attacked me, and other than that i couldn't be arsed to participate in the game whatsoever!"

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

still hasn't explained why he doesn't see anything against korts, or for that matter why he does see anything against me or darla. or his opinion on anything else in the game! wee!

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

If you don't see a case against him please tell us why. Along those same lines, who should we be focusing on and why?

In short, I don't understand the reasoning people are wanting to lynch him.

Additionally, I think that roflcopter needs to be examined. His behavior seems a bit off, to say the least. I have to leave, but I'll post some reasons later.

for real, you don't understand the reasons for wanting to lynch him? you think maybe you could tell us what about the reasons is not working for you? and you say that my behavior is "a bit off," which doesn't actually do any good in explaining what if anything is wrong with my behavior, just gives the impression that i've done something bad, and yet again you can't be arsed to any of the work for yourself to find out what it was that you thought was so off.

Actually, with Kort's recent posts, I am starting to see the argument against him. However, I still say roflcopter is hiding something...

wow my sweet jesus this is the most helpful post in the entire game!
not!
i'd actually rank this as the scummiest post in the entire game!
what do you see against korts?
what the fuck do you think i'm hiding?
all you've done here is put the idea in the minds of the town that either korts or myself would be an acceptable lynch to you for reasons unknown, and then yet again disappeared to let us figure it out for ourselves.

let me lay this all out for you.

natirasha has not once put forward anything remotely helpful or done actual scumhunting in any way, shape or form. he has however made numerous posts which continue to paint several people in a poor light without ever making clear what exactly they've done to deserve such treatment, and once again he has disappeared from view for long enough that the town has, in this case, actually come around to the point of agreeing with him when he never made a case to begin with.

THATS FUCKING AWESOME GUYS GOOD WORK.

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i'll deal with refuting the case(s) against me tomorrow.

and dcorbe stop fucking rolefishing its scummy.

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But how's dcorbe rolefishing, rofl? I don't see that.

the lynch-1 vote and "TIME TO CLAIM!" statement without giving his own reasons for voting aside from the fact that he seemed to think not posting in 48 hours consisted of the kind of lurking that only scum could be doing.

its not really the worst kind of rolefishing but i was tired and snappy so i commented on it.

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thank the flying spaghetti monster that natirasha post is so awesomely scummy.

please tell me i don't have to break it down into bite size pieces and explain it to everyone.

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He really hasn't done much scum hunting at all and he's done absolutely zero to justify his votes.

what the fuck do you call a post by post analysis if it isn't scumhunting and vote justification you tool?

i need to 1) read the rest of whats happened since daybreak and 2) never play another game with natirasha

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Please do point me in the direction of this mysterious post-by-post analysis that you claim to have give us.

the following is a post by post analysis of natirasha, scumbag extraordinaire.

vote: Natirasha

a self-vote. unreadable, unhelpful, and yet, its what he does in every game. probably to cultivate some stupid maverick image for himself on this site, in hopes that while it'll get him lynched as town a few times, in the future he'll be able to hide behind it as scum. like right now. but I digress.

I actually can't get an avatar because my photobucket account got hijacked by 4chan...

well that doesn't seem to be on the topic of playing a game of mafia, but its still the random voting phase so thats ok...

Natirasha: Now with avatar!

a followup to the prior, non-game-related post...

unvote: Alabaska

because I just saw that you are a fellow Texan.

I live in Dallas.

me too ^^ (well a few miles north but who's counting?)

Well, I'm more accurately living in Ft. Worth.

hey, no longer chit chatting about avatars, wonderful! oh, wait, now you're talking about your hometown. gee willikers thats a great way to find scum.

I always start games with a self-vote. I can provide far too many examples, if you want.

here he is, relating how the self-vote should be considered a null-tell. and note, still not actually participating in this particular game of mafia that we're playing, as he's just further building his 'i always self vote' meta.

I always start games with a self-vote.

Why? For the love of Flying Spaghetti Monster, Why?

Because it usually gets the game moving qucker, I like to, and why not?

i'm sure eventually he'll actually start playing the game.

vote: DarlaBlueEyes

for OMGUSy reasons.

or, he'll just omgus. but maybe he thinks its still appropriate to semi random vote? there's got to be more coming from him, right? ..right?

however, i didn't find anything in that post that really misrepresents anyone, which is something i'd expect from lowell-scum in a post like that

Hey there. My name's Alabaska J.

hey there lowell raised legitimate points against you

IMO nope.

Also,

HoS: Korts

as he didn't even get the claim he asked for and still unvoted. I'm smelling Lowell-Korts scumpair.

I support this. At this point, I'm ready to

unvote, vote: Lowell.

He's done nothing but attack me over a point that results to a null-tell at best.

no, i was wrong. instead he'll see a townie attacking another townie and jump in there to stoke the fires, omgus lowell and remind us one more time that self-voting doesn't mean anything and he does it all the time.

by golly, thats it for day one! thats all he managed to post. one self vote, two posts about avatars, one about dallas, two about his own self vote, one meaningless omgus, and one more omgus in relation to his self vote. it seems to me that the self vote became a pretty nifty shield for him to hide behind while doing jack squat all fucking day long. nobody even seemed to notice him not making a god damn difference in the course of the game.

anyway, on to day two. there's not a whole lot here either but his scummitude is showing a little more.

Strangest NK I've seen in a good while.

Anyways, in order of scum to not scum.

Roflcopter and Darla seem to be the targets of the day.

woah guys, natirasha thought the nk was strange, that definitely means he couldn't have had aaaaanything to do with it at all. amiright? /sarcasm.
and as i pointed out when he posted this gem, no reasoning whatsoever is provided as to why darla and myself stand out and korts is not suspected at all in relation to the alabaska wagon. in fact, i can only guess he chose me and darla because of the alabaska wagon, he doesn't actually tell us. wonderful!

To tell you the truth, this game is the lowest one I've been paying attention to.
However, I have a personal "Do not replace" policy, and continue to play. Anyways, yesterday, I was dealing with Lowell and ignoring pretty much everyone else. I'm going to go re-read Korts and see why everyone seems to think he's scummy.

ah, thats a good way to get the attention off of yourself nat, tell us that you don't really care about this game at all. and by "yesterday i was dealing with lowell" what natirasha really means is "yesterday i made one post in which i voted lowell literally only because he attacked me, and other than that i couldn't be arsed to participate in the game whatsoever!"

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

still hasn't explained why he doesn't see anything against korts, or for that matter why he does see anything against me or darla. or his opinion on anything else in the game! wee!

So...um...I still don't see the argument against Korts.

If you don't see a case against him please tell us why. Along those same lines, who should we be focusing on and why?

In short, I don't understand the reasoning people are wanting to lynch him.

Additionally, I think that roflcopter needs to be examined. His behavior seems a bit off, to say the least. I have to leave, but I'll post some reasons later.

for real, you don't understand the reasons for wanting to lynch him? you think maybe you could tell us what about the reasons is not working for you? and you say that my behavior is "a bit off," which doesn't actually do any good in explaining what if anything is wrong with my behavior, just gives the impression that i've done something bad, and yet again you can't be arsed to any of the work for yourself to find out what it was that you thought was so off.

Actually, with Kort's recent posts, I am starting to see the argument against him. However, I still say roflcopter is hiding something...

wow my sweet jesus this is the most helpful post in the entire game!
not!
i'd actually rank this as the scummiest post in the entire game!
what do you see against korts?
what the fuck do you think i'm hiding?
all you've done here is put the idea in the minds of the town that either korts or myself would be an acceptable lynch to you for reasons unknown, and then yet again disappeared to let us figure it out for ourselves.

let me lay this all out for you.

natirasha has not once put forward anything remotely helpful or done actual scumhunting in any way, shape or form. he has however made numerous posts which continue to paint several people in a poor light without ever making clear what exactly they've done to deserve such treatment, and once again he has disappeared from view for long enough that the town has, in this case, actually come around to the point of agreeing with him when he never made a case to begin with.

THATS FUCKING AWESOME GUYS GOOD WORK.

Please pay closer attention.

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i think at this point a massclaim might be a good thing.

it will either give us confirmed players, or narrow down our search to the people who have counterclaimed one another.

also, whatever protown force stopped the kill last night will be able to confirm somebody else (if doctor) or tell us who was trying to kill (if roleblocker).

what say you all?

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so now we really need a full claim. if there is >1 more nonvanilla claim then we have a fakeclaim which we need to root out.

i'm a townie.

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massclaims are so protown, everyone who didn't claim needs to immediately, and any townies voting me need to unvote because we are in lylo.

don't have time to give a more in depth post right now.

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i should point out at this point that somewhere in these four power claims are the two scum and this means that shadowgirl and i are confirmed town.

tomorrow i will figure out who the liars are.

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great news guys the massclaim has won this game for the town just like i thought it would. ready for whats going to look uncomfortably like a mathematical proof?

step 1:
there are 4 power role claims and 2 townie claims
the setup states there will be 2 power roles, 2 townies, and 2 scum left
THEREFORE the two townie claims can be believed, so shadowgirl and i are not scum

step 2:
in post 351 korts puts me and lynch-1.
in post 352 azimuth posts, claims roleblocker and doesn't hammer me
THEREFORE azimuth is not scum, because scum could have hammered me and won the game.
THEREFORE azimuth is telling the truth about his roleblocker claim
THEREFORE korts made a fakeclaim and is scum

step 3:
azimuth roleblocked darlablueeyes
dcorbe doc protected korts
korts is scum
THEREFORE the kill was prevented by roleblocking dbe
THEREFORE dbe is scum with korts

to further prove step three today we will lynch korts and azimuth will please be so kind as to rb dbe again tonight.

vote: korts

next time somebody calls for a massclaim at lylo, remember how it won this game for town for for crissake don't bandwagon them to lynch-1.

please ignore everything that korts has said since azimuth counterclaimed him, and anything he will say from now on, because he is desperately trying to convince us that the above isn't true, but the empirical proof is right here in the thread. town wins this game.

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ps since dcorbe was so insistent about starting a wagon on me with the theory that scum no killed on purpose we have a very simple way of further ensuring this game is won by town.

lynch korts (scum).
roleblock dbe.

if no kill, there will be five alive, lynch dbe.
if she's TOWN that means dcorbe is SCUM and no killed again to get us to lynch dbe.
if she's SCUM as expected then good, game over town wins
but because there will be five alive tomorrow (including azimuth the roleblocker), we won't be in lylo and can lynch dcorbe if necessary the following day.

if there is a kill tonight even though azimuth is roleblocking dbe, then dcorbe is SCUM by default. i don't think this will be what happens.

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town wins.

vote: darlablueeyes

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azimuth is a smart cookie.

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porochaz you had me for a second with that fake dbe reveal

its a damn good thing az got into the thread before dbe and talked everybody off of my wagon huh?

good game everyone, i thought the scum played it as well as they could, once there were four power role claims though it was pretty much over. this format is very hard for the scum to win i would think if you get down to five or six alive without any power roles dying. massclaim at lylo wins games for town.

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yeah my only problem with the modding is the length of time, or at least number of pages, between votecounts. i like to see a votecount somewhere on every page.