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Well, FoSes don't really mean anything in terms of game mechanics, it's just an established shorthand for "I find this person suspicious, but, for whatever reason, don't wish to vote for them at this time".
That said, I'm not really sure what Gaspode was getting at with the accusation. Scum often try having someone else vote for them, then "change" their vote to them again? I don't think it's suspicious that ashmite commented on the strangeness of Mellowed Man's actions, because it was a really strange thing to do.
I'm on board for a "evilgorrilaz likes bandwaggoning" bandwagon, soUnvote, Vote: evilgorrilaz.-
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It also holds a big sign above someone's head saying "Scum, here's your night kill!" I really don't think the potential positives (which, as you say, only apply if the scum are stupid, and it's always best to assume they aren't) outweigh the potential negatives.alvinz95 wrote:
Actually, people stating who they think is the most townly could prove to be useful later, when scum is lynched or NK'ed by the vigilante. Scum may have stated their partner like that, if they were stupid enough. But you do have a point. This is scum-hunting.I'm not a big fan of rundowns in general, especially organized mass ones. I just don't find them all that productive. Also, I almost never think about who's "most townly"--my focus is always on who's most suspicious.
I'm with you on the anti-lurker feelings, but singling out Elias, no. ICs lurk all the time. And the bit about his high scum record is the very definition of Gambler's Fallacy. I really don't like the bit I've bolded especially, and the whole post in general seems like an attempt to start a bandwagon based on some really shaky evidence, with enough disclaimers put in for alvinz to weasel out of any responsibility for it.alvinz95 wrote:I leaning towards Elias because he is definitely experienced, (2128 posts!), and his scum record is considerably high and has been scum 11 times (not like it has anything to do with this game, but hey, it might!). IC's usually won't lurk like that. I'm not sure at all, but if there is one scum in those group of lurkers, then I'd say Elias.
Not sure it's substantial enough for a vote, but I'm definitely getting a bad vibe from alvinz, and I'll be keeping an eye out for more.-
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As I said, it's not substantial enough for a vote. I'm just throwing some ideas out to see what the reactions are, because we've still not got a lot to go on so far.
I still disagree that Elias is any more likely to be scum than any other lurkers. And your 'joke' didn't read like one to me, but that's completely subjective, and I'll accept that you're probably telling the truth there.alvinz95 wrote:I don't think Elias is scum at all (lynch all lurkers is a bad policy), but, what I meant was that if there was scum in that group then I would say Elias. I'm not starting a wagon at all. I was just agreeing with Gaspode on the lurker opinion and giving a thought on it. Non of that was "evidence" to support a Elias lynch, because he is BY FAR, not on my scum list, because lynching someone just because they are lurking is not townly at all, especially if they have only posted one thing. The scum record was just tagged in for fun hence the parenthesis and "not like it has anything to do with this game, but hey, it might" which shows that it was merely a small joke. And, in the games I've played in, IC's usually don't lurk, and will give a heads up if they're going to be away. I find that you are getting irritated of such a menial thing like a small comment on lurkers, which isn't scumhunting, but just a thought. And you've misinterpreted some parts like the overall meaning (you think that I'm seriously scum-hunting, like using statistics as evidence, but I'm actually not) which is scummy.
Well, if there's a certain player that a lot of people say in thread is pro-town, and no one thinks is scummy, scum will be likely to NK them because they'll know for sure that they'll have trouble getting a bandwagon going on that person, and there won't really be any way to link them to the kill. I mean, sure, to a certain extent, they can find the most townie looking players without our help, but people stating it in thread just gives them a more definite idea of their best targets without any particular benefit to the town.alvinz95 wrote:And can you reexplain "Scum, here's your night kill!" I'm not too sure what you mean. Can't scum determine who's most townly them selves? (if that is what you mean)-
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OK, first of all,unvote, because my vote wasn't a particularly serious one when I made it, and really shouldn't still be there.
I think Gaspode is entirely correct that alvinz and Cream's argument mostly has nothing to do with scumhunting at this point. Attempting to quantify phrases like "completely uncalled for" is not at all useful, please stop it.
I've read through the game again, and I'm really having trouble coming to a firm conclusion, because pretty much everyone in this game seems fairly tough to get a read on. I'm still wary of alvinz, for the reasons stated earlier, but Mellowed Man pinged my scumdar more on reread. A lot of it is gut feeling, which I know is not particularly helpful, but I think he's been more wagon-happy than evilgorrilaz, and just generally seems to be acting fairly opportunistically.
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Still waiting for this explanation, Mellowed Man.Mellowed Man wrote:Alright, so for some reason I think iamusername and alvinz95 are like a pair, it is just an illusion that came to my mind when rereading the 1st post of Iamusername, on page 5, etc. and so on.
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Except that ashmite originally needed replacing because he can't get online for a week, so we'd still be waiting for someone to get back to us.
I guess we'll just have to play on as best we can until we can find out for sure. Shouldn't matter too much, because Mellowed Man is our lynch for today, guys.-
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Skruffs wrote: iamausername:
Do you have something against FOSes? FOSes are basically weak lines of thought that a person is not willing to avctually vote for: it's basically saying, "If all else fails later in the game, come back here and push this." I get the impression from your post 53 that you would rather not have them.
Eh, I don't mind that other people use them, but they don't seem to serve any real purpose, as far as I can see. If you're suspicious of someone, that should be obvious from the fact that you are questioning them or explaining your reasons for finding them suspicious. And if you're not doing that, well, you should be.
Well, I had to go back and reread to remember what you were talking about. To be fair, I think that was at least as much about questioning Gaspode's reasoning in Post 40 as it was defending ashmite. And I now note that Gaspode never actually did explain that one. Maybe I should drop a FoS on him for that.Skruffs wrote:Other than that, it's interesting that you are willing to stick your neck out for other people so early in the game, like in your defense of my predecesser earlier in the game.-
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Fair enough.Elias_the_thief wrote:Iamausername: Seems solidly town so far. My only problem with him is lack of any real suspicions laid out, besides Mellowed Man of course. I'll see whether I agree with you when I get down to him. But yeah,I'd like some thoughts on more than just him, and (if possible) more than just gut reasoning.For now, I have atownread on him.
I've given another reread to try to pick out new stuff, but I can't say it's unearthed very much. I note that alvinz does a whole lot of OMGUSing - pretty much any time someone's posted suspicions of him, he's FoSed them for it and attacked them as much as defended himself. Could be scum trying to intimidate people into backing away from him (if so, I'm embarrassed to admit that it apparently worked on me), could just be hotheaded town. Still don't like his craplogic on Elias -Alvinz, since you admit that that wasn't scumhunting, why did you think itwouldhelp the town?
Coheed mostly just gives newbie tells rather than scum or town tells, but I'm agreeing with the suspicion about Post 247, the order he listed doesn't say much, since he's just reciting the order that they're listed on the wiki, but the fact that he's looking for anything besides scum at this point is extremely dodgy.
That's really the only two besides Mellowed Man that I've seen anything scummy enough to be worth mentioning at this point, but mainly my reread cemented my suspicions of MM. I still think the changing his random vote to the same person it was originally on is sketchy, and I think ashmite's theory on that makes more sense than anything else, I really hate his "Oh, I forgot" excuse, he hasn't made a remotely substantial post for over a week now, and his "36.89 hours" have now passed. I'd say he definitely needs more pressure at this point, because it looks to me like he's trying to slip under the radar.-
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And did you not think that by that stage of the game (Post 94, most of the way through page 4, btw), there were more useful things you could be doing, like, say, actually scumhunting?alvinz95 wrote:
It would help discussion moving as I said before... Like random votes get discussion rolling but they aren't scum-hunting.iamausername wrote:Alvinz, since you admit that that wasn't scumhunting, why did you think it would help the town?-
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Wait, if you're town, and he's scum, but people are seeing you as scummy, why would it be a good idea for him to buddy up with you?
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Mellowed Man (1) -- iamausername
CoheedCambria09 (2) -- Marmalade, Elias_the_thief
Cream147 (2) -- Alvinz95, populartajo
Matt_S (1) -- Mellowed Man
Not voting: Matt_S, Skruffs, Evilgorrilaz
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Well, great. Still think MM is scummiest, but there's no point trying to pressure him when he's not even here, soMellowed Man wrote:No access till May 10 due to finals.Unvote, Vote: Coheed. He seems to have vanished since his big "oh, the wiki only tells you how to catch scum, that's no help" mistake, maybe he's hoping we'll forget about him. No such luck.-
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Mellowed Man specified a date that he'll be coming back, and trust me, I'll be right back on his case as soon as May 10th rolls around. But until then, I can better serve the town by putting pressure on other scummy players.Skruffs wrote:Again:
If you think someone is scummy why would you give them an out by saying you will wait until they are 'back'? If I was scum and someone quasi defended me by saying "well let's let him get away with it until he gets back" - do you think I would make any effort to 'come back'? Considering I would have a free ride until then?
Fos: iamausernameand possibly mellowman.
I was also getting pretty frustrated with the fact that everybody else seems to have been perfectly happy to let him get away with extremely scummy behaviour for so long. There's no point in voting for him if no one else is going to even when he never makes a post longer than one line, casts suspicion on someone without giving a reason and then says "oh, I forgot" when pressed for one, makes a post saying "I'll catch up in 36 hours" then doesn't post again for almost a week, and when he does it's just to vote for someone for no apparent reason, again.
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Skruffs, here's me bringing to light some things I find scummy about Mellowed Man. Care to discuss?iamausername wrote:he never makes a post longer than one line, casts suspicion on someone without giving a reason and then says "oh, I forgot" when pressed for one, makes a post saying "I'll catch up in 36 hours" then doesn't post again for almost a week, and when he does it's just to vote for someone for no apparent reason, again.
I'm pretty confused by what point you're trying to make with the Satan analogy, but in the game of Mafia, I absolutely think it's a good idea to give someone a chance to convince you that they aren't actually evil before you lynch them. If I could convince you and five others that MM is scum, would you be fine with lynching him right now without giving him a chance to respond?
And I think it needs to be said that I'm NOT dropping the case on Mellowed Man. I was planning to put it on the backburner and pursue other avenues while he's away, and bring it back to the fore when he returns. That said, I also think there is a good chance of Coheed being scum, and his response to my vote was deeply unsatisfying.
Well then,CoheedCambria09 wrote:Limited to no access until Monday May 12thUnvote, Vote: Mellowed Man. I don't think anyone besides these two deserves my vote, and he's the scummier of the two. Guess I'll just have to sit and twiddle my thumbs for a couple of days.-
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Mod:Can we get prods on Marmalade and populartajo? Both have been active elsewhere on the site recently, but not posted here in over a week.
This needs an answer.evilgorrilaz wrote:Skruffs wrote:IT's a toss up between Cream and Coheed at the moment,a nd since Coheed is AFK for the next ten days, I can't very well vote him, can I?
Can you explain to me your sudden change of heart?Skruffs wrote:If I was scum and someone quasi defended me by saying "well let's let him get away with it until he gets back" - do you think I would make any effort to 'come back'-
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Alvinz95 (2) -- Gaspode, Cream147
Mellowed Man (3) -- iamausername, Elias_the_thief, Matt_S
CoheedCambria09 (1) -- Marmalade
Cream147 (3) -- Alvinz95, populartajo, Skruffs
Matt_S (1) -- Mellowed Man
Not voting: Evilgorrilaz
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Yes, it was a bit of a leading question.Skruffs wrote: I am not sure what your very last post means: Is Cream147 a straw man? IF so, why? How? what is a strawman?
Please explain yourself better because your question strikes me as the equivalent of "Are you still beating your wife?"
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Man
"A "Straw man" argument (also called "setting up a straw man") involves mischracterizing your opponent's position in order to present a weaker argument than they have actually given, thereby allowing you to defeat it. It usually involves subtle changes to the given facts of the matter, or minor changes to wording that lead to semantic differences in what is said."
Your straw man argument here is "some players think that you must never attack players who are absenttee". Nobody has said this.
I presented a clear case for why I think Mellowed Man is scum, and was waiting for a response to him. When he indicated that he'd be away, and thus unable to provide this response for a few days, I temporarily turned my attentions to another player I found scummy, becausein this particular case, I didn't feel that I could progress any further with Mellowed Man without receiving a response.
You, on the other hand, have made virtually no arguments for why you think Coheed is scum, and are now calling him scummy but failing to provide these arguments based on your straw man.
So, rephrasing my original question; what do you think is scummy about Coheed? If he wasn't currently absent, would you be voting him over Cream? If so, why did you decide to vote against what you actually believe in order to prove a (fallacious) point?-
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Never got an answer to this, alvinz.iamausername wrote:
And did you not think that by that stage of the game (Post 94, most of the way through page 4, btw), there were more useful things you could be doing, like, say, actually scumhunting?alvinz95 wrote:
It would help discussion moving as I said before... Like random votes get discussion rolling but they aren't scum-hunting.iamausername wrote:Alvinz, since you admit that that wasn't scumhunting, why did you think it would help the town?
I thought the last paragraph of Post #272 was pretty concise. You could maybe argue that it's not aMellowed Man wrote:First off, Iamusername never had a clear case.goodcase, but I don't think I was lacking clarity.
Well, mine's pretty much the same as the last time I posted it; Mellowed, Coheed, alvinz. Although I'm starting to think Skruffs might have a point on Matt with the mason fishing.populartajo wrote:And I agree with someone that said that this game has become a bit repetitive for my taste. To regain conversation, how about everyone posting their top suspects. Cool?-
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Posting just to say you're not lurking doesn't count as not lurking. You haven't really said anything for about a month.CoheedCambria09 wrote:Lurking, I've been away for the past 2 weekends (4-5 days each, long weekend + conference) and have been bogged down with my OSAID stuff, I'll reread and try to post tomorrow or wednesday, i have a huge history essay due on. And evilz why do you think I'm so scummy?-
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Either Coheed is scum or I got some scum following me onto his wagon.
Mellowed is probably either pro-town or Coheed's buddy.Mellowed Man wrote:
Looks like you're giving up on making a case on someone you ACTUALLY appear to think is scum.Skruffs wrote:Unvote, Vote: Coheed
Either Coheed or popular is the vote for the day, neither of these playeres are really going out there and stating their observations. Let's just do this.
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Same to others who have decided let's vote Coheed because he lurks like crazy. Then, he comes up townie, what next? I'm not buying it yet.
I just went back and read your posts and you mentioned Cream once up to this point, saying alvinz had good points against him, but you'd wait for Cream to respond. Evilgorrilaz, on the other hand, was mentioned as suspicious in ten posts, including two votes. Please explain this discrepancy.CoheedCambria09 wrote:I just went back and read my posts, and found who I had thought to be most suspicious, and then read their posts, and that person was Cream.-
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I've been saying for a long time that I don't think he's been contributing at all, and there's also the fact that he made this post [emphasis mine]:Skruffs wrote:Iamausername: You slipped a vote on Coheed earlier, but I'm not sure as to why?
That, and the fact that Mellowed has been looking more pro-town to me lately, was my initial reason for switching my vote to Coheed.CoheedCambria09 wrote:Agreed about Jeep's tells, over half of them are not even finished,though they can be helpful for findingCop, Doc, orScum there isnt much else there.
Since then, my suspicions have been further increased by his claiming that Cream has always been the person he's been most suspicious of, when there's a lot of evidence in his earlier posts that suggests that this isn't the case, and now his "I'll go along with a populartajo lynch" post.
Basically, I think he's been going along with whatever townie wagons are popular - evilgorrilaz was the biggest wagon early in the day, when that fizzled out, we got this:
Then, at a stage when Cream had two votes and a few other players finding him suspicious, Coheed decided to go along with that and suggest that he'd been thinking that way all along. Now populartajo gets two votes, and suddenly Coheed wants to lynch him too!CoheedCambria09 wrote:there really is no reason anymore, therforeunvote
It infers that if we lynch Coheed and he turns up town, I think Mellowed is town too. Nothing else.Skruffs wrote:and now youa re saying that someone else is either town OR coheed's buddy, which infers you are still sure coheed is scum.-
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Here's an unofficial one:
Why no vote, Matt?Count Counter wrote:TOTALLY UNOFFICIAL Vote Count, powered by The Count-Counter 2000
CoheedCambria09- 3 (Marmalade, iamausername, evilgorrilaz)
Cream147- 3 (alvinz95, populartajo, CoheedCambria09)
alvinz95- 2 (Gaspode, Cream147)
populartajo- 2 (Skruffs, Mellowed Man)
Mellowed Man- 1 (Elias_the_thief)
Not voting (1): Matt_S
7 to lynch.
Also, trying to get all 12 names from memory reminds me that we need aprod/replacement on Marmalade especially, and probably prods on Elias & Gaspodewouldn't hurt.
We also need to just freaking lynch someone (eg. Coheed) already. 20 pages in, and I don't think anyone's even had HALF the votes required for a lynch at any one time.
For your convenience:
Good votes = Coheed
Acceptable votes = alvinz, Mellowed, Matt
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I did this already on the previous page. Pay attention.alvinz95 wrote:If you can explain the whole Coheed argument in one post, in PERSUASION, I might consider voting Coheed. All i've gotten is that he's been unactive and has done nothing.
Well, my list of "acceptable votes" was really a list of "people I would consider changing my vote to if the general consensus is that Coheed isn't a good lynch". But yes, Cream wasn't on the list, so that is certainly an implication that could be taken from my post.alvinz95 wrote:Are you implying Cream isn't a good lynch?
Because I think we should lynch scum, and he's the most likely candidate as far as I'm concerned.alvinz wrote:Why are you asking people to vote Coheed?
Not a very good one.alvinz95 wrote:(if you were scum, this could very well be a move to lynch a townie quick)
I'm not going to repeat my points against Mellowed yet again. I probably should pin down my case on Matt in a concrete way, because I don't believe I've done so yet. Got a big post to write for a newb game I just replaced into, but I'll try to get onto Matt after I'm done with that.What makes mellowed man and Matt S acceptable lynches?-
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Quoting this post because apparently no one can read further back than the most recent page!iamausername wrote:
I've been saying for a long time that I don't think he's been contributing at all, and there's also the fact that he made this post [emphasis mine]:Skruffs wrote:Iamausername: You slipped a vote on Coheed earlier, but I'm not sure as to why?
That, and the fact that Mellowed has been looking more pro-town to me lately, was my initial reason for switching my vote to Coheed.CoheedCambria09 wrote:Agreed about Jeep's tells, over half of them are not even finished,though they can be helpful for findingCop, Doc, orScum there isnt much else there.
Since then, my suspicions have been further increased by his claiming that Cream has always been the person he's been most suspicious of, when there's a lot of evidence in his earlier posts that suggests that this isn't the case, and now his "I'll go along with a populartajo lynch" post.
Basically, I think he's been going along with whatever townie wagons are popular - evilgorrilaz was the biggest wagon early in the day, when that fizzled out, we got this:
Then, at a stage when Cream had two votes and a few other players finding him suspicious, Coheed decided to go along with that and suggest that he'd been thinking that way all along. Now populartajo gets two votes, and suddenly Coheed wants to lynch him too!CoheedCambria09 wrote:there really is no reason anymore, therforeunvote-
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OK,unvote, obviously.
Do we really want counterclaims? Isn't there a chance that we have more than one cop? And even if Coheed is lying, do we actually want our cop (if we have one at all) to out himself immediately?Matt_S wrote:I'll wait for the rest of the town to check in with any possible counterclaims before voting
What about the 8 other players in the game besides yourself and Coheed?Matt_S wrote:but I highly prefer Mellowed Man over populartajo.
You know what,Vote: Matt_S. This "I'm going to wait and see how everyone else votes before I commit myself to anything" attitude he's been displaying latey has pushed it over the edge.-
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I severely doubt we'll be in lylo on D2 though.Matt_S wrote:it'll sure suck if we get to LYLO before someone counterclaims.
OK, but is anyone besides Mellowed higher than anyone else?Matt_S wrote:They're below Mellowed Man, obviously. That's why I was voting Mellowed Man before.
Yes.Matt_S wrote:You mean the fact that I didn't revote because arguments involving other players could have revealed new info? Or the fact that I'm waiting for responses to someone's claim?-
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I think both claims being true is a little implausible, but that'll be a lot easier to judge after a night has passed.
Unvote, Vote: alvinz
Because this post:
Looks like he knows for sure that Coheed & Mellowed's claims are true. Plus he was high on my suspicion list already for things mentioned earlier. [/quote]alvinz95 wrote:OMG! Everytime we get someone to claim it ends up to be a powerrole! Now that both power roles are revealed it means that most likely we lose them tomorrow (doctor gets blocked if theres a mafia roleblocker, and cop gets killed is the normal scum play in this situation). This is depressing.... 2 months, 2 revealed power roles, and 28 pages of CRAP.-
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Actually, the correct answer is "I looked at the start of the thread, where Mafia Roleblocker is included in the list of roles that might appear in this game", but thanks for playing.alvinz95 wrote:
No, but in every game i have been in so far, there has been a mafia blocker.skruffs wrote:Alvinz, do you have any reason to think the mafia have a roleblocker?
What same thing has Cream done, exactly?alvinz95 wrote:But still, cream did the same thing, but no one has targeted him....-
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But they do know who is pro-town, and (hopefully) a pro-town player isn't going to claim cop unles they're actually a cop.Evilgorrilaz wrote:
I don't see how thats possible. As far as I know, scum don't get a list of the townie role pms.iamausername wrote: Looks like he knows for sure that Coheed & Mellowed's claims are true.
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You did already literally vote him this page, however.Mellowed Man wrote:unvote, vote alvinz95
Surprised I didn't literally vote him last page.
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From the top:
Goin' fishing!alvinz wrote:Populartajo: Something fishy about his last post. Seems to be giving limited information, and trying to start a wagon on me, by asking everyone if they thought my comment was weird. (can you explain?) You usually post a lot more in depth.Are you trying to hide something?And is your vote on evilgorrilaz a random vote or a serious vote?
Post #87 & #94: alvinz really wants people to post a rundown of most scummy and most townly players. #94 also has his ridiculous thing about how Elias is more likely to be scum than other lurkers, which I don't feel he ever gave a satisfactory defense for.
This is a nice way to try to avoid having to defend yourself against the specific evidence being brought up.alvinz wrote:I've noticed is that everyone is just trying to suspect me by saying, "I have a bad feeling about him...." and uses some evidence that can't totally support a vote.
I'm totally not reading his argument with Cream again, it's just noise.
"I can't tell if I might be able to get a townie lynched out of this yet."alvinz wrote:I have nothing to say on the Matt vs Scruffs argument yet. I'll wait till it plays out.
I don't know how this didn't get more of a response at the time. Poor reasoning and lack of a reasoning isn't scummy, guys. alvinz later amends this to say:alvinz wrote:There isn't much of a difference between poor reasoning and lack of reasoning. It isn't scummy either.
Presumably because he's going to want to use 'poor/lack of reasoning' as a reason to vote someone else later on. But we can't use it against him, because he wasn't trying to start a bandwagon, he was just making conversation!alvinz wrote:It is only scummy when someone is trying to get on a wagon and uses poor reasoning as a reason why.
Then in his very next post:alvinz wrote:If you can explain the whole Coheed argument in one post, in PERSUASION, I might consider voting Coheed. All i've gotten is that he's been unactive and has done nothing.
Seeing some incosistency here, in particular the mention of Coheed "trying to drag to Day 2" since no one had brought this up since alvinz claimed that all he saw on Coheed was "he's been unactive and has done nothing".alvinz wrote:Quote: last 2 post of Coheed.
What iamausername, and Cream said. Worthless defense, bad scum move to just say, "Hey, you guys will be surprised and will feel bad when you lynch me!" And no, lurking is not a reason to lynch someone. Trying to drag to Day 2 is scummy as that is what scum want to do. Letting people do all the work and contributing little a bit.
Don't think I need to explain again why this post is scummy.alvinz wrote:OMG! Everytime we get someone to claim it ends up to be a powerrole! Now that both power roles are revealed it means that most likely we lose them tomorrow (doctor gets blocked if theres a mafia roleblocker, and cop gets killed is the normal scum play in this situation). This is depressing.... 2 months, 2 revealed power roles, and 28 pages of CRAP.
alvinz, saying you believe something is not the same thing as actually believing it. And this is wrong in either case; scum would obviously believe a townie claiming doc/cop, because townies shouldn't be lying about that. And I'm sure scum would love to lynch a power role rather than "wasting" their NK on it, but un-counterclaimed power roles are not going to get lynched except in exceptional circumstances, which this is not, so trying to push those wagons by saying you don't believe the claims would be pretty futile.alvinz wrote:I would have to disagree on the case that I "know" that they are power roles, because scum would rather stay on the wagon and not believe it rather than believe that they are power roles. Isn't that just basic sense? Scum would really try to lynch a power role Day 1 rather than waste their kill at night.
Also, I'm going to quote these two posts every time alvinz makes a post without answering the questions contained therein:
(If you need some help, this is in reference to your "Elias is the scummiest lurker, because he's experienced!" craplogic.)iamausername wrote:
Never got an answer to this, alvinz.iamausername wrote:
And did you not think that by that stage of the game (Post 94, most of the way through page 4, btw), there were more useful things you could be doing, like, say, actually scumhunting?alvinz95 wrote:
It would help discussion moving as I said before... Like random votes get discussion rolling but they aren't scum-hunting.iamausername wrote:Alvinz, since you admit that that wasn't scumhunting, why did you think it would help the town?
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I'd still like an answer to this question, btw, alvinz.iamausername wrote:
What same thing has Cream done, exactly?alvinz95 wrote:But still, cream did the same thing, but no one has targeted him....Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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I'm fascinated by what claim you could possibly make that would have any bearing on whether you believed Mellowed Man's.alvinz wrote:I'll tell you why I believed mellowed man's claim. When I claim.
Well, I JUST read through all your posts and didn't find them, so you're going to have to give me a bit more help there. If possible, quote the posts you already made answering them, because I'm pretty sure that's an outright lie, actually, at least on the second question.alvinz95 wrote:Already answered. Sorry, find the answers.Elapsam semel occasionem non ipse potest Iuppiter reprehendere-
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