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1) for me spring break hasn't started yetJex wrote:unvote
To this: 1. Spring break is half over so your plan won't work. and 2. Jex is a girl not a guy.dahill wrote:we'll wait until jex is on spring break, and then quicklynch him while he is gone
2) oops sorry!
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i'm gonnaunvote vote sethanielfor basically asking ABR what to doSethaniel wrote:ABR, do you have a reason for liking Jex? If you can give me a good one, I'll vote for her.
and then saying he was only doing it for conversation to see his response..Sethaniel wrote:Ah, wait. So you like her personally, not like her as a candidate for lynch.
Or, you believe people who think like you do should be lynched.
Which is it, ABR? do you want me to vote for Jex?
he clearly said "if you give me a good reason to vote for jex i'll vote for her" and "do you want me to vote for jex?"
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this is called playing the newbie card. however, you do seem to be sincere with what you say, but that doesn't mean i'm still not suspicious of you.Sethaniel wrote:Defense of my actions:
Newbie. Stupid newbie. Check my join date.
I really did just want to see what response would come of it. ABR keeps insistently making "I love Jex" posts, which is a little weird. Obviously, I didn't think people would use it as a reason to lynch me. A lot of people were saying a lot of stupid things, and no one seems to have singled them out for death. (Specifically, elderad admits he was kind of serious in asking ABR about his vote, then jumps on the BW to lynch me.)
Well, if I die, when I'm proven townie, I hope it helps you find the real scum.
I'm guessing the scum will just claim that I was playing anti-town and deserved to die for being unhelpful anyway. (I can make a great argument against myself.)
@dahill Again: Newbie, stupid stupid newbie, doesn't know what's acceptable discussion and what's going too far.
haha this isn't gonna work this time ABR, but nice tryAlbert B. Rampage wrote:We live together. We die together. Bad boys for life.
Everybody BUM RUSH SETHANIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!-
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he's probably just claiming so he can "prove a point" on how much he thinks you and seth are scumYoshi wrote:eldarad wrote:
At this moment - right here, right now - do you believe ABR's doc claim?Yoshi wrote:I also don't understand why he said eldarad is 'confirmed town', and also don't understand eldarad's vote after Albert has claimed doctor.I do not think scum would randomly claim doctor day 1, so yes I believe it. In the less likely event that Albert is scum, the real doctor will counter-claim, and I'll vote him again.
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oops sorry everyone i had thought she was asking ABR why he claimed..but yeah Seth claiming is definitely scummy when he's only at L-4. he had no need to claim right thendahill1 wrote:
he's probably just claiming so he can "prove a point" on how much he thinks you and seth are scumYoshi wrote:eldarad wrote:
At this moment - right here, right now - do you believe ABR's doc claim?Yoshi wrote:I also don't understand why he said eldarad is 'confirmed town', and also don't understand eldarad's vote after Albert has claimed doctor.I do not think scum would randomly claim doctor day 1, so yes I believe it. In the less likely event that Albert is scum, the real doctor will counter-claim, and I'll vote him again.
Sethaniel, why did you claim? Your claiming makes your more suspicious and more beneficial to be lynched.-
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it wasn't necessary for ABR to claim so i'm not going to automatically believe it, of course. he just did it to prove a point, but which really doesn't prove anything because even if he was the doc he couldn't know anyone's alignment but his own. however, this doesn't really make me any more or less suspicious of ABR because this is how he always is-
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keep in mind when saying all of this that it is ABR who is claimingYoshi wrote:eldarad wrote:Yoshi, I don't believe ABR's doc claim, so the fact he claimed is irrelevant. And your desire to have the doc counterclaim smells of rolefishing for the real doc.
Jex, huh, you're right. Lovers =/= masons. Sorry.eldarad, your voting Albert smells of *wanting to lynch the real doc* to me.
Why would you not believe his claim in an open game -- there is only one doc. I totally agree his claiming was very unhelpful, but now that he has, unless someone comes out and says he is lying, we should believe it. I am not fishing -- fishing is something scum do to subtly try and figure out roles.
What I'm doing is saying that if Albert is not the real doc, then the real doc *should counterclaim* because then Albert must be lying scum and we should lynch him.
However, unless some other non-Albert "real doc" comes and counterclaims, we should believe Albert that he is the doctor, because he most likely is.
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i'm not saying he's not the doctor because he very well could be. i'm just saying you don't have to believe ABR is the doc just because he claimed it. people could say whatever, but it doesn't mean wha they say is true.Yoshi wrote:I thought I was right that since Albert claimed doc, he must be the real doctor, since otherwise the real doctor would counterclaim! But lots of you are saying I'm wrong -- sorry!
Other than Albert's claim I find him definitely the most suspicious -- so if he isn't the real doctor.
unvote vote: Albert
Could someone explain to me how I was wrong? I thought for sure he'd be the real doctor since he claimed. But if he isn't I think he's definitely scum.
Korts -- you attack me for defending Albert. But for me to be defending Albert to be scummy -- Albert would have to be scum right? So why do you attack me, and not Albert? You assume Albert is scum when you attack and vote me, but you've never attacked or voted him. Are you his team-mate and know he is scum?FOS: Korts.-
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Korts wrote:Yoshi: ABR may or may not be the doc. Until the real doc, if there is a real doc other than ABR, counterclaims, however, we should not lynch ABR whether or not you believe his claim. I voted for you because if ABR is fakeclaiming, you're obviously protecting your partner, and if he's the real doc, you're obviously buddying up to him.unvote vote yoshii think this pretty much sums up why yoshi is scum
also he's constantly changing his opinion of ABR under pressure, which is pretty wishy-washy.
also yoshi says this about Korts's first sentence
here's the sentenceYoshi wrote:This is ludicrous. You say the exact same thing I'd been saying in your first sentence: that ABR is most likely doctor, and shouldn't be lynched.
not saying the same thing at all!Korts wrote:Yoshi: ABR may or may not be the doc.-
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i never said it was okay, but my current meta on ABR supports that he usually does things like this so it's not particularly strange for him to do sofarside22 wrote:Here is one problem I had which was with dahil.
oops sorry everyone i had thought she was asking ABR why he claimed..but yeah Seth claiming is definitely scummy when he's only at L-4. he had no need to claim right then
Why is ABR okay to claim with the same number of votes against him the Seth?dahill1 wrote:it wasn't necessary for ABR to claim so i'm not going to automatically believe it, of course. he just did it to prove a point, but which really doesn't prove anything because even if he was the doc he couldn't know anyone's alignment but his own. however, this doesn't really make me any more or less suspicious of ABR because this is how he always is
i believe it was in response to yoshi..i'm not trying to convince anyone eitherfarside22 wrote:
I'm not sure who you are trying to convince with these post. It's like not ringing any bells.i'm not saying he's not the doctor because he very well could be. i'm just saying you don't have to believe ABR is the doc just because he claimed it. people could say whatever, but it doesn't mean wha they say is true.-
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ABR plays strangely. Also, I think I've said this before, but just because he might be the doc (or even if he was confirmed) doesn't mean he is 100% correct about who he says is scum, so we don't have to always trust him. The vanilla townie claim could meansilence wrote:Why is ABR suddenly voting Jex when yesterday he wanted us to lynch Sethaniel after Yoshi?? His play makes no sense to me but apparently we still have to trust him if the real doctor doesn't come out.
About Sethaniel: what's the point of a vanilla townie claim? Shouldn't it make us only more interested in killing him - it doesn't prove that he isn't scum but at least he is not a powerrole...
1) He's telling the truth and actually is a vanilla townie.
2) He's lying scum and doesn't want to claim a power role.
3) He's lying town and is claiming vanilla in order to keep his power role secret.
And I'm not against a Seth lynch, but just because he claims townie doesn't mean we should lynch him.-
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wow Seth has just been bumped up way higher on the scummy list
also, this isn't based on anything concrete, but this seems kind of forced. mainly the first sentenceKorts wrote:The ABR thing interests me, too. I've never seen him play before, though, so I don't know whether he's always this erratic.-
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i believe a korts lynch will give us the most information based on his alignment and how it goes with possible connections, defending/attacking other player
my main points against korts are that he seemed to be a bit too eager for the Seth lynch D2. he even later admitted that setting up a D2 wagon would not be beneficial to the town..
also i agree with elderad about ABR seemingly losing interest in Seth, then returning to him is strange
i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today.
as for babygirl, this seems to be how she plays in all of her games, from what i have read. but i still would appreciate more feedback from her.
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that's not at all what i'm saying. i know that if you turn up town seth isn't automatically guilty, but you also seem to have buddied up with ABR as well. i'm definitely not thinking that you are 50% scum, 50% townKorts wrote:I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.
read these quotesKorts wrote:I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.Korts wrote:Sethaniel's bandwagon I'll be leading, as promised. Dahill I don't understand...Korts wrote:I said I would lead the Sethaniel wagon, soVote: Sethaniel
seems to me like you were eager for a seth lynchKorts wrote:Hey doc, what about Seth?
never said it was scummier than sethKorts wrote:Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.
yes, i think seth is scummy, but i also think you are. and i think you will be the best lynch for today. before i said i'm leaning towards voting for you, and now i did.Korts wrote:You admit that Seth's scummy, therefore you will consider voting himtomorrow?Clarify this, please. You haven't expressed more than light suspicion of me, and you call Seth scummy, yet I get the vote. Is it only me, or do you see the hole in logic too? You don't want to lynch your buddy unless you really have to, is that it?
the only suspicion of someone i have on seth's wagon is pretty much you. and now you're saying i'm minimizing suspicion on babygirl?? you just said i sentence ago that i was throwing suspicion at her (she's on seth's wagon)! she does lurk all the time, i'm just saying that for me, it doesn't change my suspicion anymore or any less because from what i've seen, she does it all the time. not that i'm saying it's a good playstyle, but just informing other players.Korts wrote:So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.-
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no, setting up a lynch for D3 would be me saying "Hey guys, today we're lynch Korts, and tommorow Seth". i could completely change my mind about seth by D3.eldarad wrote:Having voted Korts for setting up a lynch a Day ahead, dahill then attempts to set a lynch up a Day ahead... it's like he wants to use my argument as an excuse to vote for Korts but needs to give himself wiggle-room for Day 3.
i mentioned babygirl because a couple posts above me Jex said she wanted to hear from the lurkers. i know Flameaxe doesn't play like this, and i've never seen any of silence's games, but i have seen some of babygirl's. and i know from them that she lurks heavily whether intentional or not, so i pointed it out so others could knoweldarad wrote:This seems like a gratuitious mention of babygirl, and it involves justifying her lurking. Strikes me as odd.-
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not it's not switching back and forth. it's "i think both seth and korts are scummy, but we should lynch korts today"Jex wrote:I did a quick read on dahill and his posts just don't sit right with me. I don't have to time to pull out direct quotes at the moment, but here are my general thoughts.
1) dahill's argument on yoshi being scum claimed that yoshi was "wishy-washy" with his votes.
2) dahill's arguments seem to attack sethaniel then korts then sethaniel then korts...back and forth. Seems strange that his vote for yoshi was based on indecisiveness yet he can't make up his mind himself.
3) ..... i don't really have a 3.... those points are enough for me tovote dahill-
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so basically because there's a bandwagon on meKorts wrote:
He's still the best play, but you're pretty good too, and with all the attention on you, I'm not likely to get a Seth lynch together.dahill1 wrote:
what happened last page when you said seth was still the best play?Korts wrote:unvote, vote: dahill
L-2, guys.
feel a little more comfortable voting me since now there's a bandwagon?-
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Korts seemed to buddy up to ABR imo and was advocating a seth lynch.silence wrote:dahill: can you clarify a bit what information you think can be gained from a Korts lynch?
Anyway, I agree dahill's logic is questionable and Korts's twist suspicious, but I still think Sethaniel probably should be lynched today.
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i thought it was kind of obvious...again, it won't lead us to anything that's 100% guaranteed true, but things such as like Korts has been following around ABR. so if Korts turns up scum, then it increases my suspicions of ABR as scumsilence wrote:Not satisfied with dahill1's post 285, still doesn't state what information exactly would be gained from a Korts lynch.-
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alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?-
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i know you said you were trying a gambitKorts wrote:
Alright.dahill1 wrote:alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?
1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.
Vote: Sethaniel
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i'm pretty sure ABR is doc now, because the real doc definitely should've claimed by now, if ABR was lyingKorts wrote:
I'm, for now, taking you as confirmed. That was just what I saw from Yoshi's posts. However, if you weren't the doctor, the real doctor wouldn't necessarily claim, maybe they wanted to be useful to the town before getting themselves NK'ed. But this is just a theory. The chances for it being true are pretty much nil.Albert B. Rampage wrote:If I wasn't the doctor, the real doctor would claim and there would be 1 scum left, who would be a lover.
Unless I'm a treacherous lover, but then if I was, my town lover would claim that I'm not in fact the doctor.
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i don't know about the others, but i don't really believe itsilence wrote:How did Korts's 'gambit' get accepted?
i say we just try and find any scum, whether that be lone scum or lover scum. i don't want to claim my partner, because i believe him/her to be town. my partner can claim if they feel it will be beneficial. however, if there is ever a situation when it is absolutely necessary i will claim for themsilence wrote:A general questions: should we want to keep lovers alive and rather try to lynch the lone scum? Because then a lover massclaim would enable the town to win by lynching both lover pairs. If this logic is valid, dahill1 should be forced to claim his partner as it would do him/her no harm. But I'm not sure.-
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i never said anything was wrong, just offering my opinionsilence wrote:
What is wrong in my logic, then?dahill1 wrote:i say we just try and find any scum, whether that be lone scum or lover scum.
am i missing something here? there are 3 lovers, so when my partner and i both die (assuming my partner is town), then you won't be able to identify the treacherous lover right away. claiming my partner doesn't mean you will necessarily be able to find the scum lover.silence wrote:
If you are both town and the scum kills your partner, we can identify the treacherous lover tomorrow, so the scum probably wouldn't kill your partner and thus claiming your partner does not do any harm.dahill1 wrote:i don't want to claim my partner, because i believe him/her to be town.
I think for that reason we should force dahill1 to claim partner - it does not do any harm and that way we find out whether his claim was true.
Anyway, I admit my thinking may be flawed here, there is no hurry, I don't want him to claim partner before this is discussed/accepted.
wrong! again, aren't there 2 more pairs of lovers left (excluding me and my partner)? also, just because someone claims they are the town lover, doesn't mean there partner is scum! you can't base truth on whoever claims fiaster that's ridiculous!Korts wrote:I agree with silence, who, despite his name, has a pretty valuable suggestion. Here's the plan, as I see it.
Dahill claims his partner. After that, there are two possibilities. A) they die, B) they stay alive either because dahill or his partner is in fact treacherous lover, or because scum want to try WIFOM.
If A) happens, and both dahill and his partner come up town, the town half of the other pair should claim immediately, because then surely his partner is the treacherous lover. And then we're down to 1 scum against 3 town, and we have a fairly good chance of winning from thereon.
why should we policy-lynch me? how about we scumhunt as normal?Korts wrote:If B) happens, I think the town's best chance is to policy-lynch dahill, or his partner, and from there, it's the same as point A), except that we have one more night kill, so it'd be 1 scum to 2 town.
again, why not just scumhunt? it seems to be working so farKorts wrote:Alternatively, we can policy-lynch dahill now, and our chances would improve, the fact being that 4 town would face the single scum.-
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what do you, and everyone else for that matter, think about another lover claiming but only if they are lovers with Korts?eldarad wrote:
lol, I can't help thinking of the Erasure song "Drama". But that's my (psychological) damage, not yours...kravhen wrote:yeah man i dont like seeing dahill go like this... its like 1-2 people said "hey lets lynch him and see"... not enough participation from other people.
We need more opinions, drama, resistance, anything
If it's worth anything, I am currently opposed to a dahill lynch at the moment.
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i agree. as i see it, i will either:Jex wrote:While I understand the logic of killing off the known lover today, I feel that Korts only brought this plan up in order to get everyone's attention off of him and onto someone else. Korts is on the top of my scum list, as well as many others lists, and I feel he's the best lynch for the day.
The love plan works on any day, so we kill korts today (getting rid of one scum) and then deal with the lovers tomorrow.
Also, I'm indifferent to whether dahill should claim his partner or not. I see both pro-town and pro-scum reasons for doing it. I'm going to have to go with no, dahill shouldn't claim because I think it helps the scum more than it helps the town at this point. If the town wants to be rid of the lover pair there is no need to know the 2nd partner as we'd all just vote to kill dahill eliminating both. Therefore, a claim in unnecessary.
With that, my vote stays on Korts as he still sits at the top of my list of scum and I feel like he's just trying to save himself by targeting the lovers right now instead of waiting.
1) get NKd tonight and both my partner and i will die
2) not get NKd for WIFOM
3) they somehow guess my partner and NK that person, so we both die
4) they don't NK us because one of us is the scum lover
those are ranked from most likely to least likely to happen. i can see how lynching me would be beneficial, but to me Korts is obvscum-
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oh ok, i can see that point of claiming my partner. and you're right that is going to be hard to verify without all of the lovers coming out or just my partner coming out. but again, i will leave it up to my partner if they wish to claimsilence wrote:I agree the lover plan works on later days as well, and I did not suggest lynching dahill1 today.
But, my point was to suggest forcing dahill1 to claim his partner to validate his claim. If he is unable to claim (or get his claim verified), he is the regular goon and we catch him. If he is a lover (treacherous or not), then claiming did not do any harm, as discussed earlier.-
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ok i managed to get free hotel wireless. but what is this??
selfvoting in a situation like this is a tremendously stupid thing to do if you are town. no one but scum (besides Jester) would benefit from getting themselves lynched. (that is, if they are about to be lynched, and they don't want to reveal anymore info)Korts wrote:Well, there's nothing left to do, then.
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sorry i have limited access until about tuesday.silence wrote:Haven't yet made up my mind whether it's better to lynch a lover or scumhunt between non-lovers today. Was planning to do some probabilistic analysis over all possible scenarios but it turned out to be at little complicated.
Anyway, in both cases, dahill1 should really claim. If he doesn't understand this or is not posting, his partner can also claim.
i guess i see no harm in claiming my partner now..
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