Mini 570, A Small Town in Italy Mafia, Over

[sykedoc]

Could we retract the Ration votes (aka my votes) because he wasn't lurking, he just wasn't here.

[sykedoc]

Apologies for the doublepost but what i meant was
Unvote me if you'd be so kind =p

Also, i'll answer any questions you wanted Ration to answer, i'll try to read back on it.

[sykedoc]

As far as i've seen, he was being not so helpful, dodgey, etc.
It looks like he was treating the game as a side thing, and just ignoring it unless he was going to be lynched.

Currently, i'm holding my vote because alot of the accusations seem a bit off kilter to me. I dont go off anything that isn't at least solid enough for me to reason a lynching.

[sykedoc]

Theres always a chance that hammering tailors to something role specific. I'm not implying that he shouldn't be cast with suspicion but its something to consider

[sykedoc]

I dunno, I'm just taking a guess at why he might've been antisocial in here. It isn't really good game etiquette. You know what i mean?

Im not used to replacing people so excuse me if i seem a bit weird.
=P

[sykedoc]

-_-

Its annoying coming in under someone who acts like a jerk and casts suspicion on himself.

Anyway. If theres anything that will help you change your mind, you can ask me questions.

[sykedoc]

So, that says that I act like a jerk? Or Ration is a jerk?

I am sorry I brought suspicion to myself. But I think I also had some GOOD reason to be frustrated also.

Sorry I was talking about Ration. I apoligize if you thought i was reffering to you.

[sykedoc]

*whips out a handgun and shoots the crickets*

Happy?

[sykedoc]

Sorry I haven't been active, busy week.

Sykedoc, my vote stays on you. I don't like how you tried to get unvotes from people just because you're replacing in and are willing to not lurk.

avinashv you can understand that i'm a tad frustrated that he got votes for being a wank.

So of course i'm going to try to undo what he was doing. I understand for replacing you're going to hit the ground running but i was at a disadvantage when i walked in so i'm attempting to even it out.

[sykedoc]

To be honest, i just think he was being a bad player. He didn't really have any reason to make himself look like a jerk.

Some people are like that. I really dont see any reason behind what he did. Its terribly stupid to look as if one is hiding something when one is not hiding anything.

[sykedoc]

To anyone:If you're going to ask me why I THINK he was acting the way he was, and then suspect me for my answer, why bother asking me in the first place? It was mentioned earlier that it was weird that i was analyzing his posts, its because i was asked to look at them.

To avi: The reason my posts are mainly focusing on ration is because he has mutliple votes for him already and if i want to figure out why those votes happened and try to shift them away from me i need to discuss the person who gained those votes for being jerk-y.

To awesome: Right now my suspicions lie in two places. I dont think they are great enough for even an FoS but, since you asked...
My thoughts are currently between Guppy and Lalmtreasteek (Palm Tree Steak? Llama Streak?)
Guppy has generally acted a bit odd, including his "i'm clearly not scum" post
Lalmtreasteek (?) has thrown himself/herself along with the bandwagon or just took stabs but does not seem to cleary pick where he/she is going.

I dont mean to accuse anyone just now, these are just my thoughts but i'm not acting on them without more proof.

[sykedoc]

To me, Ration's posts on their own don't seem too bad.

It concerns me a little that sykedoc keeps defending himself as though he's being voted for because of Ration's posts

, and that he hasn't really contributed much himself.

Apologies for the doubleposting but i figured this should be addressed as well.
In my opinion, you would be wrong here. Technically I AM being voted for because of Ration's posts. I'll show you EXACTLY what i mean.

Wah, sorry I was wrong about all that. I really thought, that Occult move was protown and Guppy's response was not good.

anyway

vote: Ration

he's seems weird to me.

w00t! Go doctor!

vote: Ration

for reasons I've already mentioned:

lurking, avoiding questions totally avoiding bringing anything useful.

So yes Awesome, the votes were made due to Ration's behavior while posting, i feel as if this is a justified reason for me to be concerned about the votes that were cast

Anything else?

[sykedoc]

If we do that then i'll drop his posts entirely. The only reason i had to delve into those was due to votes. Simple.

[sykedoc]

Yeah but ration was a raging sketchball. lol

[sykedoc]

Let's just write him off, and focus solely on Sky's actions.

Well, sykedoc has the same role that Ration had, so there really wouldn't be much of a reason to be suspicious of Ration but not Sykedoc. This is one of the reasons why it's so difficult to replace into games: people hold you responsible for the actions of the person you're replacing and you rarely know what their motives were for saying certain things. However, I do think we're making a mountain out of a molehill in the case of Ration -> Sykedoc.

I'm moreover just worried about votes i gained before entering the room and the seemless WALL of suspicion that i can't seem to hurdle as i am already "100% scum" to some people

[sykedoc]

I'm exaggerating. Its sarcasm thats why its in quotes. (supposed to be airquotes)

[sykedoc]

Thats just what it feels like, y'kno?

[sykedoc]

@ Erratus Apathos:
The above post is exactly what i mean.

[sykedoc]

How else am i supposed to defend myself? You are voting for me based on previous posts which i did not write!

How else do i address the votes based on said posts?

[sykedoc]

That happens to be the way I talk Llama Streak.

[sykedoc]

I dont really know, if theres a more specific way you can say that i'll answer.

to the best of my knowledge i use that phrase alot.

[sykedoc]

LOL

[sykedoc]

I'm of course the replacement for Mikeydaman, and I've read through the game so far and have drawn some own thoughts.

I claim Mafia Roleblocker.

My scum buddies are Ration and Steek.

This Messege is for Prof. Guppy only:

Don't worry, I didn't name you.

followed by Occult bragging about the WIFOM of it.

What I think has happened, is that Occult has likely named one of his scum buddies, and selected the rest as town. If he selected which scum to name carefully, and was able to choose who was most likely going to be lynched first out of the group, then Scum gets a strong position.




Assuming we didn't consider that, if we lynched NamedPersonA and they turn out to be scum, there's a very strong possibility we would lynch another of the people he named, and if I'm correct, they would turn out to be town.

Then we're left with the situations where we have 2 more named people, 1 we lynched was scum, another we lynched was town. We fall more clearly into the deep game of WIFOM Occult has set for us, one that we cannot ignore.



I think that the contents of his post are indeed WIFOM, and not the fact that he posted it. So how do we determine who of those is scum?
Well, I do not believe the game started with more than 3 scum for such a small game, Occult named 3 people, plus himself, that means he's definitely lied about 1 of them. This gives us at least a 1 in 3 chance of accidentally hitting a town player, and I do not believe that he'd of named all the scum.

Notice how he singled out Prof. Guppy, I think this is more to try and ensure that Guppy does NOT get lynched instead of the scum buddy he intends to, as is going with the game of WIFOM Occult has created.




We have a cop who hasn't been counterclaimed, I personally am without reasonable doubt they are in fact truth-telling and sane.

I think the person Occult wants us to lynch and find scum is Sykedoc (Ration), and that's what I'm going to do. I think if we lynch Syke, Vamp inspects Steek, and we go from there.

Could you please summarize how this at all entails lynching me?
Second of all, please stop reffering to me as Ration or linking me to Ration.

[sykedoc]

I think this is a good idea, then you can get off my damn back.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP

I think NO LYNCH AND INVESTIGATE ME is a good idea.
then you can get off my damn back.

[sykedoc]

Sorry about the recent lack of posting, i'm home for break and extremely busy with visiting people.

But.. i agree somewhat, i also have absolutely no thought as to how to go about this so

vote no lynch

[sykedoc]

Also killa my name is spelled sykedoc.

[sykedoc]

I'm sorry i'm kinda lost exactly with whats going on here, Vamp would you mind kind of explaining exactly what you just said, cept a little more straightfoward? =)

[sykedoc]

Ok if someone will quickly re-explain why we are voting for him, i will cast my vote, because im not EXACTLY sure why you're all voting for him.

[sykedoc]

I just wanted to make a note real quick that my room is completely infested with ants and i may not be posting as often for the next day or two. I hate ants. I really do.

Anyway...
I agree with fireball, it doesnt mean he's paranoid, he could be insane also which would be MUCH more convenient for us. So we can keep having him do night actions and if at some point it comes up innocent, he's insane and we can use him.

[sykedoc]

I'm not entirely sure what to say about all this. Right now i'd like to hear Vamp's opinion on all this. I only have the opinion of the accuser and accused and i want to see more opinions.

Sorry i lost a little bit of track over spring break and so i'm kinda behind.

[sykedoc]

I'm continuing with what I originally planned, and I hear very little argument that sykedoc is town.

vote sykedoc

Your logic is entirely lopsided. I've heard exactly 0 arguments proving you are town, then therefore you must be mafia?

FoS Fox

[sykedoc]

Doesn't anyone find Fox the least bit suspicious here? (besides me and maybe like mightyfireball)

I mean, at least Awesome is attempting to explain himself. Fox is doing no such thing.

[sykedoc]

Didn't vote, FoS'd.. so Fox actually doesnt have a vote on him.

Also Vamp or Fireball can you point me to the post in which fox was cleared?

[sykedoc]

More to the point tho... even if he is clear it still doesnt give him free reign to accuse people because theres no "evidence" that they are town.

By that logic, he is just as scummy as i am, or awesome, or sense, or anyone who hasnt been cleared.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP
*Sens

[sykedoc]

What im saying is... no matter if you're cleared or not you need to give a REAL reason to accuse people.

[sykedoc]

That is a hellof alot of writing.
To clarify for you all. I'm not saying fox is guilty but i AM saying he really needs to give us a reason for why he's voting for me. What he is currently doing, not really ok. Mostly because not only does it make him look scummy, but it contributes nothing toward finding a scum. Voting with no reason may be ok on the first day but on the third day doing that is just stupid, because it really doesnt help anyone and gets us nowhere.

My thoughts here right now is
a little bit suspicious of fox, a little bit of EA, and a tiny bit of Awesome.

[sykedoc]

If the doctor has half a brain you aren't.

[sykedoc]

But thx for the input =P was much needed.

[sykedoc]

Vamp and everyone else, if you are going to refer to me. I am sykedoc. I am not ration, please stop referring to me as such..

On a more relevant note:
Are we going to do that claim thing or not at all? I'm confused.
If we are, someone needs to start.

[sykedoc]

Anyway what sort of claim from

ration or

skyedoc would change your mind about the genuiness of avins claim?

You first said I will believe avins claim untill a counterclaim I asked you about why you would expect a counter claim when we already had 2 cop roles then you said I ment a claim from the guilty people avin had.

Hey! Read my post! Stop that.

[sykedoc]

It may not be that big of a deal, but i'd appreciate it >_>

I dont like being associated with that thing. lol

[sykedoc]

Posting useless turd is more like it =\

[sykedoc]

Vamp the problem here is i'm really unsure of who to put a vote on. I would if i were sure, but i dont know...

[sykedoc]

agreed

[sykedoc]

Mega FoS Killa

He's really not responding at this point.

[sykedoc]

He said tomorrow, its been two days

[sykedoc]

Mod, Vote count. I dont want to throw around any votes without a count.

[sykedoc]

Noooo... dont leave D:

[sykedoc]

We really need a vote count.

[sykedoc]

Well i didn't vote at all because i didnt have a vote count. So if you ARE hammered i dont know.

[sykedoc]

I dunno, you could pretty much see this coming, what does everyone else think?

[sykedoc]

Sorry, I wasn't avoiding the post. I have finals right now. Scuse me.

At the result that this probably isnt a great idea in retrospect. I am a mason.

[sykedoc]

So who are the other masons? And who is your choice for a roleclaim now?

I'll let the other mason claim when it gets to him, so if anyone tries to fake claim mason we can both point him out. Actually if he'd like he could just step forward. I know he doesn't post a ton so, you may have to wait awhile.

[sykedoc]

By the way, I'd like to point out that his claim was very suspicious to me. Why wouldn't he call out the rest of the Masons, asking them to vouch for him? He's come under a

lot

of flak earlier, and no body came to his rescue with a mason claim. It can't be that Masons in this setup can't tell the town, because he just did--if he is, in fact, a mason.

I won't vote because there are a lot of people to go, but this added to what I had on Ration--and despite what you may think skyedoc, I judge you 100% based on what Ration also played like--makes him currently my scummiest player.

You never thought that it might be beneficial not to reveal masonry unless im about to be lynched? It would've been stupid for both of us to claim earlier on. I wasnt going to claim unless i got to about L-2, I didn't want to reveal a role that generally depends on secrecy as it's draw.

[sykedoc]

Despite the fact that he's slightly idle and needs a prod, i want a response from either him or whoever replaced him because of the singular action he took before idling

I want a claim from xXFoxXx or replacement for simply voting Guppy and leaving

[sykedoc]

I think thats a horrible strategy, but whatever...

Btw. happy birthday.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP:
I'm not going to force him to reveal though. He'll reveal if he wants.

[sykedoc]

Avinashv.

[sykedoc]

Also am i wrong in assuming a setup of this size has a mason by default?

[sykedoc]

Traditional Mini of this size i mean.

[sykedoc]

Whoa whoa. I'm not fake claiming mason and if you pin that on me and lynch me, you'll be the first one to go the day after.

[sykedoc]

Thats a very opportunistic way to try and get my lynched by the way. At what point did you automatically say that i couldn't POSSIBLY be mason? I've seen masons in MANY mini games so i made the assumption that you would know this already.

[sykedoc]

The claim is not ridiculous! How can you possibly infer that the moderator didn't put masons in!

You can obviously see the reason i'm not forcing my partner into claiming right now. I've played mafia enough to know that I'd be better off claiming vanilla if i were attempting to hide something.

If you kill me, its your own fault when you see that i'm mason and you really fucked up.

[sykedoc]

Why in all holy hell would i put myself into such a stupid situation?
I wouldn't.

Just to let you know. My partner is in fact active, he just doesn't seem to want to claim or defend me.... which is slightly agitating.

[sykedoc]

As was claiming out of turn.

I asked for my partner to claim. Don't be a dick about it.

[sykedoc]

@skyedoc: if you are in fact mason, you threw the game away for town here. (1) The three back-to-back posts, first two of which were separated by hours reek or desperation. Not only have you played just four games here (the other three of which have no exposed masons till now), but your argument is predicated on a whiney my word against yours. (2) You did not, in fact, directly ask your mason partner to claim

in this open town forum

. You would have immediately been shot down. Even if you were under intense scrutiny--which, you were--you had guaranteed no-lynch safety until everybody had claimed, a strategy that the town agreed to. After having killed that, you (3) go on to call SensFan out about it.
.

First off. You have no idea what i play. This isn't my first forum or mafia site in general. There are 100 legitimate strategies you can play from this point if you were thinking about it.
Second off, if you'd like to kill me and REALLY fuck things up, thats probably not a great idea but go ahead.
Third, i've been in games where i've avoided claiming miller and then when later on i revealed close to the end of the game, i was believed by no one when it was needed most, so this doesnt necessarily apply to just now. It can happen regardless of when i claim i could be distrusted, even if it was the perfect or not perfect time to claim.
Third, i've been studying and i was hardly aware of the no-lynch safety else i wouldn't have claimed... I've been under alot of stress the past few days so excuse me if i missed something.
Foruth, i wasn't exactly calling him out on the fact that he pointed it out, he was kindof a dick about it.
Fifth, I did ask him, asking someone to do something does not have to end with a question mark...
Sixth, are we still forgetting about the claim i requested from fox, who has been replaced and his replacement still isn't answering? He could be waiting for you to lynch me.

[sykedoc]

In reference to the studying, I'm on my last final and will give full attention from now on.

[sykedoc]

EBWOP: because i take it in 3 hr.

[sykedoc]

1)Read what I wrote. I specifically used the word "here".


2)I don't understand what you are trying to say here, but the general gist of it seems to be that "I've claimed miller before, nobody believed me even though I was actually miller, so you had better believe I'm mason now."


3)Not only is that completely NOT what I was talking about, but you yourself claimed, then asked Fox to claim after you.

4)Again, you didn't read what I wrote: "directly".

5)Are you trying to push the blame away from yourself? Or, wait, let me guess: you missed it? Did you even know that it was Destructor who replaced in? If you don't have time to post, let us know it will take you 2 days to properly formulate a response; however, I don't believe that this is only to do with exams. Not paying attention and redirecting blame are patterns that you have exhibited since you replaced into this game.


Go back and reread my post, and most of your ridiculous insinuations will be answered. If you have any legitimate defense, now would be the time to post it.

1) I was actually calling out the fact that you were questioning my general experience with the game, not on this particular site.

2) What i was trying to say is: Regardless of when i claimed the same situation of nobody believing me could occur so don't say that it was a particularly bad time to reveal now, because it honestly depends on who is playing the game and how they do so

3) I was adressing that fact that you adressed the fact that I missed that point.

4) It was actually quite direct, it just didnt contain a quesiton mark. I clearly said the other mason should claim. I wasn't going to force him out but that doesnt mean i didnt want him to post.

5) He has had at least 2 days since he replaced in hasn't he? If i were replacing in i'd at least let people know I was here.

[sykedoc]

@ skyedoc and MightyFireball

- Is your mason partner confirmed innocent?

Neither of us are, but really that means nothing anyway. Plenty of us aren't confirmed.

Personally i would think it stupid if MightyFireball, who wasn't suspected at all, came out to defend me if he was Mafia. Theres no point in blowing such good status IMO. Thats what i think about most of you pointing fingers.

[sykedoc]

Sorry, I've been recieving loads of boxes and im being forced to move them all in @_@

My role PM wasn't specific about alignments, but in a mini game that is so seemingly quite typical, i doubt the mod would pull the bastard card.

it said something along the lines of me being in a secret masonic society and with the current murder rate me and mighty being the only ones left, and i can talk to him at night. I'd quote the PM but im not sure im allowed to do that, i've seen people modkilled for that many times.

[sykedoc]

Just got prodded, still swamped.

To answer your question: I dont have a clue who is, my best guess is/was Sens/AP

i was thinking Fox but you mention in your previous post he was cleared

[sykedoc]

Guys im gonna be way late to post, my CC was stolen so i'm trying to get things worked out.

[sykedoc]

Neither of us will come up scum and if you need to lynch me to see that go the hell ahead.

[sykedoc]

BTW still in creditcard hell, patience.