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Just to quickly tell you all I'm here. I'll make some sort of constructive post in a minute, just thought I'd say I'm here first.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Well I'm not liking evilgorillaz at the moment. I think that lynch all lurkers is a stupid policy, because it gets townies just as much as it gets scum. Also, he seems quite bandwagon happy. At this stage though, I'm just going tounvote(don't really want to keep a random vote on at this stage).FOS:evilgorillazwill suffice.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Sorry I haven't posted as much as I like people! I'm not intentionally lurking, though it's quite clear that I am lurking. I haven't got into the feel of this game yet. However, I have just gave it a quick reread and that has got me back into the swing of things.
I am not liking alvinz at the moment for several reasons. First, he singled out Elias among the lurkers, and used incredibly bad logic to back it up. Someone said why would alvinz try to single out someone as experienced as Elias. Maybe because Elias is experienced?! (good idea to get rid of experienced people yes!)
Even after your logic was shown to be stupid, you continued to go with it! I don't see where you're coming from there at all. Just because Elias is IC doesn't mean anything.I don't think Elias is scum at all (lynch all lurkers is a bad policy), but, what I meant was that if there was scum in that group then I would say Elias.
I think that the small FoS on iamausername is COMPLETELY uncalled for. No one's really noticed that, but I have, and it's for a poor reason. I agree with iamausername about your idea to get everyone say the most townly and most scummy. To me, that's most useful to the scum as they can collect information such as 'Who shall we nightkill' and 'Who shall we scapegoat next'.
All this makes you the most scummy player in my books at the moment, and definitely earns you aVote:alvinz95. Please comeback on all of my points.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Vote Count:
3 Evilgorrilaz (populartajo, iamausername, CoheedCambria09)
3 Alvinz95 (Mellowed Man, Gaspode, Cream147)
1 mellowed man (Evilgorrilaz)
1 Gaspode (Marmalade)
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to reach majority.
Now THIS could be good fun!
If you count the reasons, there are 4. Two are connected by elias, but I still count them as seperate reasons. At this stage of the game, that's a fair few. I think that bad logic does contribute to scumminess, because it could be intentionally trying to confuse the town. I agree that joining in with the conversation is a good thing for the town, but you've got to hold yourself responsible for what you say nonetheless! When I'm scum, I still join conversation as much as possible. I find the game more fun that way.I hate these posts. To me, you have poorly reread an misinterpreted what I said. I've explained most of those points you've made, yet you have failed to understand.
First off, thats a lot of reasons why I "definitely" earn a vote (sarcasm).Liike 2. Again, do you think I meant to lynch him? And does my crap-logic contribute to scumminess? No, its just logic I tried to make up to comment on Gaspode. All the things that are held against me are things that I've posted to comment on everyone's posts, like a good town member, always joining conversation. And, the least townie, most townie thing was to "speed up conversation".
Sorry, but as you claimed that this attack is a ridiculous scum move, I see no reason why you hesitated to vote me. Trying to keep the suspicion off yourself by not voting for someone just because they voted for you?Second, on elias the thief.
So you're saying I'm trying to lynch him? Why would I lynch a lurker? You haven't reread the thread I'm pretty sure. Again I say, the crap-logic was just a reply, not real scumhunting. If I wanted to lynch him, maybe I would put a FoS or a vote on. And refer to what populartajo said.cream wrote:Maybe because Elias is experienced?! (good idea to get rid of experienced people yes!)
I laughed when I saw that populartajo quote. That was the quote I was replying to with my comment about experience really. I notice you selectively quoted me there. The full quote you should have put was this.populartajo wrote:Mmm, why would he (a relative newbie) would suspect Elias (an experieced player) and for a weak reason? Wouldnt newbie scum avoid this kind of players?
So you knew I had read that populartajo quote also, but hid it! That is REALLY scummy in my books, trying to trick people into thinking I hadn't read that.Someone said why would alvinz try to single out someone as experienced as Elias. Maybe because Elias is experienced?! (good idea to get rid of experienced people yes!)
My point was that as scum, getting rid of an experienced player who is town is good. You don't seem the kind of person who would cower at someone because of their join date either.
All you've done here is say how this isLastly, WTF?
So just because I put a SMALL fos on iamausername for a "poor" reason, then its COMPLETELY uncalled for? ThatsI think that the small FoS on iamausername isCOMPLETELYuncalled for. No one's really noticed that, but I have, and it's for apoor reason.OVEREXAGGERATED. If I voted him, then that would just be uncalled for. And if I said "iamausername is scum!" then that would be COMPLETELY uncalled for. No, actually making him claim would be completely uncalled for. I find this as a poor reason to add to your list of scumy actions so your vote seems more valid.only a small fos. Well if I just randomly gave someone a small fos, what would you say? I would say that wasCOMPLETELYuncalled for. You still haven't defended your reasoning for giving that small fos, which was, as I said, poor. You attempt to make me look stupid but still don't actually defend yourself. It's quite a sneaky way of deflecting pressure, and certainly nothing that is useful to the town.
I don't like your defenses to the elias reasons, and the last reason, which isn't pathetic (though I accept that is was a small fos), so yes, I think it definitely earned you a vote. You are by far the most scummy player in my books, and that is why my vote is on you. Now, you call this attack a ridiculous scum move, but you simply fail by doing this...
Are you serious? These reasons that have already been tooken up, and replied, and one other pathetic, poor, reason, results in a DEFINITE vote? I see this as scum trying to grab a chance to lynch as cream sees a wagon, except there isn't enough stuff to say. You may call my stance defensive, but this attack is a ridiculous scum move.definitely earns you a Vote:alvinz95
MAJOR FoS: Cream147
I don't see how you can see this as a simple attempt to jump on the bandwagon because normally bandwagoners, particularly for the the scum, don't give reasons. I gave a post, with reasons mentioned before, and one (that you dismissed without giving any defense) of my own creation.
However, I must thank you for this post, for it gave me more reasons to assure me that you are the right vote. (The selective quoting and deflecting questions without answering them)
I'm currently happy with my vote.
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"So you're saying I'm trying to lynch him? Why would I lynch a lurker? You haven't reread the thread I'm pretty sure. Again I say, the crap-logic was just a reply, not real scumhunting. If I wanted to lynch him, maybe I would put a FoS or a vote on. And refer to what populartajo said. "
Should be quoted in my monster post. Sorry if that causes any confusion[u]Apologies[/u]
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The selective quoting is relevant in my opinion because it makes it seem like I haven't read the populartajo quote. Maybe it didn't make it seem like that. I don't know, because I know what I said in the first place.
And as for your response to my small fos argument, whatever. If my posts annoy you, then sorry, if they've muddied the waters, then sorry. What they both meant to do was put my argument against alvinz.
I'm going to end up rereading this game again soon, because it really is irritating me that I am just not with it and it seems I am unable to substantiate a decent argument. I'm going to step back a bit now because I no longer believe I am helping the town; it seems like I am missing something.[u]Apologies[/u]
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As I've mentioned, I'm withdrawing out of my argument with alvinz. I agree with the general consensus that there really is no point now. I've read through your reply to my reply alvinz though, and I could very easily argue most of it. I will mention that my 4 reasons includes 2 reasons related to elias, 1 about the small fos, and then the one about your ask for most townly and most scummy. I only bothered replying this much because I don't want to look like a liar. However, the argument is now futile, and is telling us nothing except arguing over little details. My vote remains on you for now.[u]Apologies[/u]
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What I really meant was, I still think my original argument is fair, however, our subsequent messages are worthless, because they are essentially arguing over little details. I still think alvinz is worth a vote.Evilgorrilaz wrote:Unvote, Vote: Cream147
I am getting bad vibes from this. You seem to be saying, "okay my argument was pretty petty, but you still get my vote." I might be misinterpreting it, but that is what it seems like to me.Cream147 wrote: As I've mentioned, I'm withdrawing out of my argument with alvinz. I agree with the general consensus that there really is no point now. I've read through your reply to my reply alvinz though, and I could very easily argue most of it. I will mention that my 4 reasons includes 2 reasons related to elias, 1 about the small fos, and then the one about your ask for most townly and most scummy. I only bothered replying this much because I don't want to look like a liar. However, the argument is now futile, and is telling us nothing except arguing over little details. My vote remains on you for now.
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Typical that miztef is away now, so we won't know if this was a mistake or not for a bit. I strongly feel it is though.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Even though I'm desperately struggling to get with this game, I am still completely against abandoning it. It's sad for LaptopGun, but there are other games. Could he get bumped up a queue or something if his situation is explained?[u]Apologies[/u]
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lol to matt saying my attacks were logical. Surely if he reread properly he'd realise that that would cause outrage, as people seem to think that those attacks were as far from logical as...illogical.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I'm going to be honest here...this post has got me. I'm not at all sure what it means. I've reread it twice now, and I'm starting to feel stupid! I'd love to defend whatever this post's attack is but...well...sorry.Skruffs wrote:Allright. I finished reading, and I think I want to look at cream for right now.
This is interesting to me. I don't know if this is a tell or not, so I will broadcast this out and see what others think. The argument that bad logic just confuses the town - I'm just trying to put my finger on it.Cream147 wrote:(in response to alvin saying there aren't many reasons for voting him)
If you count the reasons, there are 4. Two are connected by elias, but I still count them as seperate reasons. At this stage of the game, that's a fair few. I think that bad logic does contribute to scumminess, because it could be intentionally trying to confuse the town. I agree that joining in with the conversation is a good thing for the town, but you've got to hold yourself responsible for what you say nonetheless! When I'm scum, I still join conversation as much as possible. I find the game more fun that way.
I guess what I got out of this was the idea that, scum know who town are and are trying to get other townies to lynch town. Townies, though, do not know who anyone else is. So in effect, scum have the advantage, especially day one, of knowing which wagons are actually dangerous on scum and which ones are helpful to them. Townies have no way of knowing wether the case they have on someone is good or bad until the person is lynched and their role revealed. So on day one, especially, when one player is criticizing another for not having 'good logic' or a good case, I tend to look at the criticizer - because it means they might have ingame knowledge.
So, continuing that line, I Would suggest that if cream is scum, then this post might be clearing whoever Alvin is underfire for using bad logic on.
There is nothing wrong with making mistakes, Especially on day one, because even mistakes can lead to progress in the game. So yeah.
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Just to clear it up as well, it was in an alvinz post I read earlier. I'm a 'he', ok.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Thanks for your explanation of what you meant Skruffs, that's makes things less hazy. I also didn't like coheed's post suggesting that the thing on the wiki is not helpful except it helps find scum...to be honest, I don't think finding masons is particularly important to the town. Is that a slip? I'm not sure, but I don't like it.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I love responding to analysis of myself, so here goes. The unvote and the fos that you are talking about were not connected. The unvote was because we were leaving the random vote stage and my vote was random.Cream: Unvote into fos? Seems kind of weird, maybe a bit noncommittal, not certain though. Exaggerates a little in his post 4 (by sort by post on his name), but this seems to me like more of a noob tell then anything else, though hes not THAT new. Argument with alvinz = waste of space, no real info garnered. At least he backed out of it when he realized it. Hope that he gets back into the game soon, because I could use some better info on him. I have a neutral read on him.
Post 4 was exagerated. I don't really consider myself that new anymore, and I'm not going to use that as an excuse UNLESS that genuinely is the reason. I just wanted to make my point effectively, and went over the top. It agree that the whole alvinz thing got a bit silly, and at the subsequent arguing, worthless, though I still believe in my original argument. I think that raised certain points about alvinz.
I haven't been active lately (though in this game I haven't been massively active anyway) because I've been really busy. This should be resolved by Friday and then I'll be at an activeness that you'll probably think is over-active.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Well, if he wanted a discussion about how he's scummy, then I can see what angle he was coming from...JESTER! (joke)Matt_S wrote:
Random voting is one of the only ways to get the game started. Baselessly accusing someone of being scum, seriously or not, is neither required nor desired. What kind of discussion did you think would start?alvinz95 wrote:
It would help discussion moving as I said before... Like random votes get discussion rolling but they aren't scum-hunting.iamausername wrote:Alvinz, since you admit that that wasn't scumhunting, why did you think it would help the town?-
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My reason for being aggressive on only one person is simple. If I saw other people just as scummy as alvinz, I would have done it to them then, however now, as that only results in making ME look scummy, I don't think it's an effective way to play anymore.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Is this directed towards me? If it is, then I find him quite scummy. I don't like his votehopping. I also don't like his most recent vote on you just after you asked that question. I also find him 'forgetting' his complaint about post 100 by iamausername quite strange.Matt_S wrote:What do you think about Mellowed Man?-
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I did find and still do find alvinz more scummy than Mellowed Man because I feel that the case against alvinz is stronger than the case against Mellowed Man (and I've summed up my case on both of those players in previous posts). That being said, after a reread of Mellowed Man, I do think he's a good vote.
I have a concern about you Matt. My concern is that you are trying to forge some link between you and I. Maybe you are trying to make me look like your scumbuddy? First you defend me, then you question me and ask me lots of questions. This is all common scum behaviour towards their scumbuddy. Don't think I don't notice.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I wasn't accusing you. I was just making sure you know, that if you are intentionally doing what you're doing, I've noticed.Matt_S wrote:
K, whatever. I looked at your attack on alvinz in a new way.Cream147 wrote:I have a concern about you Matt. My concern is that you are trying to forge some link between you and I. Maybe you are trying to make me look like your scumbuddy? First you defend me, then you question me and ask me lots of questions. This is all common scum behaviour towards their scumbuddy. Don't think I don't notice.-
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Or maybe town who doesn't wish mafia to try any sneaky tricks? I'm just starting to get concerned that Matt is trying to drag people into thinking we're a team with his posts. Being as many people think I'm scummy already, I'm a good target also.Skruffs wrote:Very defensive, publicly-intentional-distancing post there, cream. First time as scum?-
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Suppose Matt is lynched, and he turns up scum (again, I'm not actually saying this is the case). If we look like an obvious scumpair, then who is the person who you will naturally lynch after him? And people will easily believe that I'm scum, because as I said, I'm a good target. I'm not even saying this is the case, I was just bringing up the possibility, to discourage Matt from doing it if that is what he is doing.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Ahh, hello my good mellowed man. Thanks for this amazing non-opportunistic comment, it's much appreciated. For your information, I have yet to complete a game here, however I am in several games. They're ongoing though, so I can't exactly say whether I'm scum or not. What I can say is that I always look scummier when I'm town, because I speak from the heart, rather than the brain when I am town, vice versa as scum. That is all.Mellowed Man wrote:Hey Cream, have you been scum before?-
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I agree with iamausername and evil. There's no worth in pressing on someone who is not there. That being said, I think Mellowed Man gets scummier with every post.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Love this. Love it. You forgot your reason for thinking iamausername scummy if I remember rightly.Mellowed Man wrote:I think you (Iamausername) are onto me for one reason:
I pointed you out as scummy, with another person earlier in the game, and you have "suspected" me since. What a reaction!Can we have a prod on alvinz please. I'm leaning more towards Mellowed Man at the moment but I think I'll keep my vote on alvinz for now.-
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I feel like I'm missing something here. Weren't you the person who FoSed iamausername for laying off pressure on someone who was away? Just an observation.Skruffs wrote:Are you asking me if I am a cop?
IT's a toss up between Cream and Coheed at the moment,a nd since Coheed is AFK for the next ten days, I can't very well vote him, can I? I've expressed my suspicions of Cream in earlier posts, so I'm ready to start ruffling him up a bit more.-
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Mellowed Man, you vote-hop, and you don't explain your votes. Give me a reason for this scummy playstyle.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Mellowed Man, you vote-hop, and you don't explain your votes. Give me a reason for this scummy playstyle.
Alvinz, if that's what Skruffs meant, then I think Skruffs should have a look at these side by side. Completely different! I criticised Mellowed Man for vote hopping and lack of reasoning. You can't accuse me of either of those things. You can accuse me ofCream147 - Arean't you the one who bandwagoned onto Alvinz because he was suspicious of Elias_The_thief, a move apparently scummy because Elias was an experienced player and thus scum want to get rid of experienced players?poorreasoning if you'd wish, I would disagree of course, and no doubt you'll accuse me of bandwagoning. Not vote-hopping and lack of reasoning though.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Wow, since my last post, alvinz has been acting incredibly weird. The opinion that we're actually missing here is Skruffs', and I'd like to see his view on alvinz this page. I'd also like to know if alvinz was right with his assumption on what he meant.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Well you see this here yeah alvinz. This is so wrong that I find it hard to believe that you didn't mean to be wrong when you said it. Seriously...that there, is a load of rubbish. Poor reasoning may be an attempt for a townie to get their view across. Lack of reasoning is just bandwagoning or attacking their attacker generally. That definitely applies to Mellowed, if you look at who he's voted for.alvinz95 wrote:There isn't much of a difference between poor reasoning and lack of reasoning. It isn't scummy either.-
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Votecount
Alvinz95 (2) -- Gaspode, Cream147
Mellowed Man (2) -- Elias_the_thief, Matt_S
CoheedCambria09 (2) -- Marmalade, iamausername
Cream147 (2) -- Alvinz95, populartajo
Matt_S (2) -- Mellowed Man, Skruffs
Not voting: EvilGorrilaz
12 alive, 7 to lynch.
It's nice to see tajo make some opinions, even though I disagree with most of them. Mellowed Man scummy and iamausername town seems pretty good though. Alvinz seems to be like the Marmite of the group...you either think he's definitely town or he's definitely scum. I've explained why I haven't been so aggressive lately, it's because I don't think it's a good tactic anymore, because people seem to ignore your attacks and focus on the attacker, which renders my arguments worthless (and indeed detrimental to the town)-
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Wow, I am truly shocked by this post, and how poorly it represents me. I believe in all of my arguments against alvinz, I believe what was 'petty' is the way I expressed them, and I accept that. That's nothing to do with the actual case against alvinz, and no reason for me to take my vote off.CoheedCambria09 wrote:I just went back and read my posts, and found who I had thought to be most suspicious, and then read their posts, and that person was Cream. He caught my attention when he stated that one of his lines of attack was completely petty, but then continued to have his vote on that person. Then he says that hes going to pull back and watch whats happening (after he began drawing attention to himself. And just recently he has stated he is going to stop aggresively scum hunting because he isnt getting the answers he wants. For those reasons I will place my vote on him
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We haven't had a vote count in yonks have we. And if my predictions are right...I'm going to be leading the way in it...[u]Apologies[/u]
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Is this all you can come up with over 20 pages? Quite weak, really.populartajo wrote:Unvote. Vote : Elias
Reason : It feels good doing it (x2) and Im sick of his lurking.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Following the tides is actually quite scummy. I assume what you mean is that Mellowed Man doesn't seem so scummy anymore...at least, I'd assume.[u]Apologies[/u]
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This is a completely useless, worthless defense. Swearing on your life means NOTHING here. (P.S. This game is really active at the second!)CoheedCambria09 wrote:I'm not scum though, I am being completely honest, I swear on my life that I'm town, and you'll see that I'm right if you continue to push my lynch. In all probability you could be scum since youd know whose town and whose not.[u]Apologies[/u]
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...This is the most terrible post I have troubled myself to read in a long time. I seriously hate this kind of post. The idea of mafia yeah, is that town try to lynch the mafia, who's identities are unknown to them. Mafia try to kill all town, their identities are known to each other.CoheedCambria09 wrote:Ok, I really don't care that it's a bad case, you guys are letting the scum get away while you come after me, a town member. I kinda hope you lynch me, because it would be a complete f*ck up on your part. And thats not apathy for myself, I am just getting really, really frustrated right now at this.
Now that you understand this, you should understand that there is no way we are meant to know you are town, ergo you only have YOURSELF and YOURSELF alone for the fact that you may get lynched. You have to blame yourself for being generally scummy throughout this game. (P.S. A claim would be lovely Coheed!)[u]Apologies[/u]
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I sure do, I don't know about the rest of us. The last post from alvinz is very good, and I know you'll say it's just because he unvoted me, but I say it because he actually covered some good points on Coheed.
This is so true it's unbelievable.What iamausername, and Cream said. Worthless defense, bad scum move to just say, "Hey, you guys will be surprised and will feel bad when you lynch me!"
I was SO close to voting Coheed last post that you won't believe it. I had actually typed it in. However, I cut it out and replaced it with the message asking for Coheed's claim.
Alvinz, since that vote on you, I've sort of stepped back, looked at my mistakes in that vote, and tried to be less aggressive, stupid, and exaggerating, and use more logic. I've been trying to improve my play which was pretty poor up to that point. I still think that you deserved my vote then, but I've been less sure recently, as I believe that Mellowed and Coheed are also good candidates for a vote.
However, what I haven't needed to learn during this game is that people don't actually know that I'm town, and if they lynch me and I turn up town, the game isn't lost. Coheed, maybe you should learn that![u]Apologies[/u]
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It is your loss as well as ours actually. Now, I'm not quite sure how we should approach this. *looks at more experienced players* HELP! Should we lynch him? Should we lynch our second candidate and let him be nightkilled (if he's not nightkilled, he's scum). Should doc save him at night? Please...someone tell me what we should do!CoheedCambria09 wrote:Claim: Cop, I get to investigate people at night, hence my wanting to get to day 2 (theres a night time in there). I would of been able to help you guys, but since your so adement about my lynch, its not my loss. Have fun continuing your hunt for scum.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I see a flaw in the 'let him be nightkilled' plan actually. Scum kill someone else, he's lynched, and town have wasted a lynch essentially. Hmm...I just don't know whether to believe him or not. Should we take the gamble of believing him? ARGH! lol.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I didn't intend to lynch claimed cop day 2. They were all questions. Right...I'll trust what you say then Matt, as you are more experienced than I. In this case, I assume we target someone else. I also assume that we want doc (if there is one) to save coheed. I'm going toMatt_S wrote:
Lynching claimed cops day 1 is bad. Stating your intention to lynch them day 2 is worse.Cream147 wrote:
It is your loss as well as ours actually. Now, I'm not quite sure how we should approach this. *looks at more experienced players* HELP! Should we lynch him? Should we lynch our second candidate and let him be nightkilled (if he's not nightkilled, he's scum). Should doc save him at night? Please...someone tell me what we should do!CoheedCambria09 wrote:Claim: Cop, I get to investigate people at night, hence my wanting to get to day 2 (theres a night time in there). I would of been able to help you guys, but since your so adement about my lynch, its not my loss. Have fun continuing your hunt for scum.Unvote. Vote: Mellowed Man. I'm voting Mellowed Man for reasons I've stated before. He has had general vote jumpiness throughout this game, and has not backed up his votes with any logic. I consider Popular to be a worthy alternative.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Ah! Sorry for not explaining this. My basic reason is a notable lack of scumhunting in recent pages. You seem to not be attempting to find scum, instead hoping that we will do it all for you. However, that reason isn't as strong as the reasoning against Mellowed Man, hence my vote is on Mellowed Man. Worthy probably wasn't the word I was looking for, insert 'decent' into that sentence instead.populartajo wrote: @Cream : Why am I a worthy alternative?[u]Apologies[/u]
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there is an obvious flaw with your plan. Any damn person could tell you they were townie. If they come up as guilty, for all you know, that means they actually ARE guilty.CoheedCambria09 wrote:I'm not lying, my claim is true, thats why I wanted Night and why I was getting so p*ssed off, because now I'm screwed if we don't have doc.
And Just a note, I'll investigate someone tonight, and tell what I find out, but I don't know my sanity, so, my proposition is that a normal townie tell me that they are normal townie, and I will investigate them and see what happens. This is all depending on us having a doc.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I know! I love it like this!populartajo wrote:Yay for activity[u]Apologies[/u]
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Ok, I'm going to bed now, but I plan on rereading in the morning with a smarter head on me hopefully![u]Apologies[/u]
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Patrick's uber-modding skills more than make up for that.Evilgorrilaz wrote:NOT PATRICK
I cant stand to have skruffs and patrick in the same game, I get their avatars confused
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I think that a lynch of Elias is a bad idea. I think that lynching for lurking should be a last resort and there are better, more scummy actions to look at, like for example Mellowed Man's voting pattern.[u]Apologies[/u]
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My vote was as good as on him, alvinz' too, so really coheed had 2 more votes than he actually did. We held are votes off him to wait for his claim. So he was claiming at a projected L-2 I think, which isn't too early in my opinion. The post that you and popular have been discussing was a pure panic post. I did not expect to find the cop at all, and as I haven't really been in a situation like that before, I wasn't sure what to do.
What I'd like to know from you Matt, is why a claim from me would be any better than a claim from Mellowed Man. Seriously, I'm not seeing where you're coming from. Surely you just vote for the person who you think is most scummy, which you've said is Mellowed Man. So why?[u]Apologies[/u]
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There we go again! No elaboration, no nothing, just bandwagoning!Mellowed Man wrote:unvote, vote Elias[u]Apologies[/u]
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Skruffs, the amount to which you are defending Mellowed Man is ridiculous.[u]Apologies[/u]
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Hmm...does it really look like I am really attempting to fly under radar? If so, then I've made a pretty big mess of it thus far. Oh well, at least you agree about Mellowed Man.Cream: Very odd comment as far as the buddying thing. Posts some useless noise and generally doesnt help with scumhunting. Attempting to fly under the radar. I have a neutral to scum read on him currently (was neutral previously).[u]Apologies[/u]
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If you read some of my comments on Mellowed Man, it's not simply just vote hopping. It's the people he's vote hopping (either the popular vote for the time or they have said something about him) and the fact that he backs up his votes with absolutely no reasons. Both of those things are scummy (and certainly do not help the town)Cream147: I have more of a read on MM than I do other players, for better or worse. People are voting him for changing his votes, day one, in a game with no n0. There's no reason not to vote hop unless you have info, which neither power roles or townies have. Only scum do. PEople criticizing others for loose tells like vote hopping are therefore, more likely to be scum, in my opinion. If MM actually starts acting scummy, I'll be on him like fish on wheat. People ignoring one person's actions and focusing solely on another when the second has already been proven (Through sheer amount of attention being focused on him by multiple aprties) to be an 'easy target', are scummy. See earlier in this post for an example.[u]Apologies[/u]
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I know he hasn't been gone for long (though his last post was completely uninspiring) but can you prod Mellowed Man please Patrick, as this whole game is currently waiting for him.[u]Apologies[/u]
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