Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!
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So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Empking, CMM and Hawk are in the "said one thing I liked" category.
I got no kind of read on SS and BBT yet.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
I'm not too keen on elaborating at this stage cause it makes it easy for scum to tailor their play. But I'm keeping a spreadsheet so if you think you can call me out on empty reads, I can prove your wrong anytime
VOTE: mozamis
Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
@boring you scumread Alisae partly because of her "fluffing" (I don't necessarily agree with this point). What about mozamis?
@mod could you please fix VC 1.1?I'm an alt-
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Feedback on other wagons:
Reasons I tr Alisae:
I gotta admit I was uncerain about her at the beginning but I think she showed town signs lately.
I don't think her opening reaction test was scummy nor I think it was particularly towny. As pointed out, it was easy to see through but I prefer it to a standard random vote entrance.
1. I like that she uses both scumhunting and gut to test others' alignment.
2. I liked her #124 and everything leading to it. Scum are way more reserved about making serious statements like this cause it means they actually have to stick to what they said later on.
3. I don't think scum would retract so visibly with their vote as she did in #128, looks like she actually takes others' input into consideration and re-evaluates her reads.
4. I liked her #149, which was a proper response to BBT's underwhelming entrance.
Reasons I tr Grey:
This read formed mostly at the beginning of the game and I'm keeping in mind he hasn't posted feedback on latest activity yet.
1. I like his #21, good observation.
2. Another good point in #31.
3. His entire back-and-forth with Alisae looks TvT, his logic is sound.
4. His wagon appeared kind of out of nowhere and it doesn't have solid foundations. The only legitimate vote is boring's.
Admittedly, my townlean on Grey is weaker than on Alisae but I'd still prefer people switched onto mozamis for now.I'm an alt-
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He's just said he'll post some insight tomorrow though.
Is the basis for your vote her not voting?
If so, why did you choose her and not LUV?
If not, what are the other reasons?
Do you usually prefer to join existing wagons or create them?
Are you saying we shouldn't lynch an "obvious" target today? What is your suggested strategy then? Do you think random lynching from among a widely accepted scumpool is plausible, given the low percentage of hitting scum D1?In post 163, boring wrote:
Sorry, I just realized that I completed skipped this part of your question. Mozamis is certainly in the bottom half for me. My vote might end up there later, if I never find a reason to TR him.In post 154, Antihuman wrote:What about mozamis?
On the other hand, he's the easiest vote right now, and I've not seen a lot of scum flips Day 1. (None first-hand, outside a game on MU where the PL just happened to be scum)I'm an alt-
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Ugh. So basically another null read. Do you even have any substantial reads, apart from mozamis whom you're tunneling from the very beginning (which seems convenient, given it was your rvs vote)?In post 135, FancyPants wrote:
As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.I'm an alt-
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And I've found out a lot of scum disappear when under pressure and only post when not pressured. Wanna argue?
Not posting at all isn't "laying low". On the contrary- it makes you stand out more cause people like you like to go for such low-hanging fruit. I'm willing to bet SS is just overgamed.I'm an alt-
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SS has posted only once, I can't see how he's scum for being inactive right now.
Do you think you're prone to being called scum cause you're active? Do you think that's what I'm doing right now?In post 179, FancyPants wrote:
I haven't been here for very long but it seems to me like their is a bias towards players who post more being scum and I feel the trend should be the opposite.I'm an alt-
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I'd be ok with Hawk being a compromise lynch closer to the dl but not feeling that great about lynching hm right now. I mean yeah, he's not been very towny but from my experience lynching people just cause they're not very useful usually ends up as a ml. Part of the reason moz's a temp park on my side (I think).I'm an alt-
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BBT I've already said why I don't feel utterly comfortable about lynching him right now. Nothing you've said, however, has convinced me otherwise. And no, I don't know who's scum at this state of the game.
How can you be so sure about him being scum on the sole basis he's coasting but when I voted moz for the same exact reasons you said you didn't understand my case? If coasting and fluffing's a scumtell for you how come you're only mentioning this right now? I see a lack of consistency within your reasoning. Why is that?I'm an alt-
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Why can't he be lurk-town?In post 506, boring wrote:
Hawk is just being lurk-scum, and therefore less of a threat than an active scum.
How different?In post 506, boring wrote:If he was scum, his sparse posts would be different.
If effort's not indicative of alignment, how come you townread SS on the account of him not contributing the least?In post 506, boring wrote:He's not the lowest contributor in this thread, despite being the lowest posterI'm an alt-
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I'm not townreading him but I feel like his lynch's just "too easy". I can't recall the last time I lynched somebody for 'not being towny enough' and they actually flipped scum. Which is also why I'm not too happy about my prolonged stay on moz's wagonIn post 511, boring wrote:.
Are you town-reading Hawk? If so, please let me know what I'm missing. If not, why are you soft-defending him? Do you still think Moz is the best lynch?
I can see your reasoning but I don't think this is necessarily a rule. However, I don't see him as scum too.In post 511, boring wrote:.
Snarky has given us non-sheep reads. For example, BBT isn't exactly a heavy favorite for today's lynch. He feels confident enough to pop in, say he thinks BBT is scum, and then turn his back. It's a very bold move for scum. If he was scum, he'd more more likely to sheep and agree with the majority.I'm an alt-
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Ah please just screw right off. If he didn't respond, you would've said he's scum laying low waiting for things to blow over. It's perfectly understandable to get angry about getting wagoned for not being active enough and imo he's responded well.
Answer this please.In post 507, Antihuman wrote: How can you be so sure about him being scum on the sole basis he's coasting but when I voted moz for the same exact reasons you said you didn't understand my case? If coasting and fluffing's a scumtell for you how come you're only mentioning this right now? I see a lack of consistency within your reasoning. Why is that?I'm an alt-
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This is a cop out.In post 550, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hawk's rebuttal was mostly theory talk and wishy-washy comments that didn't really go anywhere.
Wait a sec, just before you claimed I said he's being lynched for inactivity, now you acknowledge I asked you about coasting.In post 550, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: I haven't dodged your question - you asked why he is being lynched for coasting. I'm saying that's not why he is being lynched. What more do you want me to say?
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In post 498, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hawk is doing just enough to coast by whilst we have 13 players around and where his absence is not as easily noticed.In post 550, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: you asked why he is being lynched for coasting. I'm saying that's not why he is being lynched
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You should help us figure that out if you really have town's best interest in mind. Who's the scum on your wagon?In post 599, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I now seem confident in my town read.
I still don't see how that's flailing.
The speed of my wagon and lack of resistance should be telling you something. But I'mma let you work that out for yourself.I'm an alt-
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I don't think Ali's scum.
Fitz, can you explain this:
In post 691, havingfitz wrote:
You're not in a "shitty position." You're just being an immature ass. Are you 13?In post 689, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not being replaced. I'm not putting anyone else in this shitty position.
So BBT=policy lynch now. Copy.
VOTE: BBTWhy'd you back off so easily in your next post? I thought policy lynch = priority over anything else
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Sooo how about that?In post 534, Alisae wrote:I'm convinced BBT v Hawk is TvS. Can't figure out who the scum is in this situation.
So I'ma just sheep this
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How did you figure they were related? How does BBT's flip affect your King read?In post 609, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Don't mine BBT. I feel he's one of Kings scumbuddies after a reread.
VOTE: BBT
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Why'd you think it could've been necessary for you to hammer BBT right after you've noticed people were attempting some kind of a speedlynch?In post 711, mozamis wrote:People need to calm the fuck down. We still have 3 days to lynch.
We need more from BBT.
And I would like to hear more from Ali about her going from Hawk to BBT and unvoting and revoting etc.
I'll hammer BBT if necessary but i think we should hear more from him first.I'm an alt-
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