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Partied like it's 9/11In post 22, Alisae wrote:So what the fuck did ywall do on new years?-
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I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.In post 72, Zyf wrote:
that's precisely the problemIn post 71, Superhans wrote:Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me
You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.-
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What information? Am I the only person who didn't udnerstand this?In post 74, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.In post 67, Desperado wrote:I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?-
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Zyf how is me voting you buddying Alisae? Your attack on Alisae is my biggest scum read on you, and I don't know exactly what I've done that you find weird.In post 96, Zyf wrote:I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....
VOTE: SuperhansIn post 78, Superhans wrote:Y is zyf probably town?
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things
are you an alt or are you actually new to this?
What reactionsdidyou get from Alisae? (convenient that 'the whole thing was a poke'). In answer to whether I am an alt or not, I don't think I have any obligation to tell you and I don't see how its really that relevant.
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My vote isn't random.In post 142, rb wrote:It's less that i townread zyf than I wanna know why 2 RVS votes are parked on him-
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I see where you're coming from with your point that he answered someone elses question, but I don't get where Uzi lied about his intentions.In post 143, Desperado wrote:@ Superhans: I didn't like him ignoring the Zyf/Alisae encounter to answer a question that wasn't asked of him, and then I also didn't like him lying about his intentions when pressed on it.
It's good enough for now. You got a better idea?-
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K I'm going to make my rationale clearer for you.In post 152, Zyf wrote:
what the FUCK dudeIn post 131, Superhans wrote:
I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.In post 72, Zyf wrote:
that's precisely the problemIn post 71, Superhans wrote:Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me
You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you couldpossiblybe scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)
When I voted you in 70 it was because I felt that you had made attacks on Alisae that weren't pro-town. Post 23 made no sense. In post 55 you say that you don't trust Alisae, based on what exactly? The fact she voted you?
Post 69 is what galvanised me into voting for you, specifically the bit I'm going to bold:
What do you mean Alisae needs to own up to it? Own up to what? This push on Alisae seems to me (surprised that no one else shares my opinion) of an attempt to smear Alisae early game.In post 69, Zyf wrote:
there is no such thing as a "natural" end to RVS. It ends when someone decides to end it. Obviously, you want to extend it, because rather than saying "let's get a wagon going" you just kinda vote me. Which gives me minor scum vibes, regardless of whether or not it's directed at me.In post 64, Alisae wrote:
Who said I want it to last long. I want it to be as natural as it can possibly be and I don't like how you're forcing us out of RVS.In post 55, Zyf wrote:
Why do you want RVS to last so long?In post 46, Alisae wrote:
In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?In post 23, Zyf wrote:Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but itisa possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
smh
VOTE: alisae
Everyone should have the most freedom of time now, and besides, RVS doesn't do jack squat.
Why are you trying to extend RVS?
There is extremely little benefit of RVS relative to once the real voting starts, and there's detriment in the form of false friendship.
I don't trust you.
RVS does tons of things, one being testing reactions. Like for example you're acting very fucking poorly to my attempt at an RQS, and you are reacting poorly when I hopped on your wagon.
RVS last usually from 2-3 pages till like 5 pages.
Screw RQS. It's never been useful and I can't see it being useful in the foreseeable future. Not if it's random like that.
You say I react poorly to your vote on me, but it has nothing to do with me.It has everything to do with you nonchalantly trying to start a wagon without owning up to it.
You say that you don't trust Alisae, but then as soon as opportunity presents itself you follow her vote onto me, for what I assume is just the fact I voted you.-
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Give me some fucking time, repeating the question doesn't mean I'm avoiding it! Also saying that I'm aggressive, or that I'm a noob, or that I'm now shadowing desperado (complete bs btw, I was answering his question, he literally asks me what I think about his analysis).In post 155, Zyf wrote:In post 126, rb wrote:gamma and superhans explain please
Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?In post 149, Superhans wrote:Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.
92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.
You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.
You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.
I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more
Saying that i'm a noob, or that i'm being aggressive (this is my playstyle btw, look at my other games) is not productive. You're devolving this into a shit slanging match.-
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My vote wasn't random.In post 158, rb wrote:I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.
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@Zyf is this 'cloning desperado'?In post 148, Desperado wrote:In post 74, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.In post 67, Desperado wrote:I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?In post 92, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I'm not sure how you got that from my answer. If anything, it puts you in a bad light.In post 89, Alisae wrote:To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit.
^Are you buying this?In post 95, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.In post 93, Desperado wrote:How does it do that?In post 149, Superhans wrote:Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.
92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.-
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@ZyfIn post 152, Zyf wrote:
what the FUCK dudeIn post 131, Superhans wrote:
I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.In post 72, Zyf wrote:
that's precisely the problemIn post 71, Superhans wrote:Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me
You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you couldpossiblybe scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)
Could you have made this point without calling me stupid?
Also point 5) is pedantic af.
You say my scumcusation on you is desperate (can you elaborate upon this) but you're not exaclty in a position to talk. Your scum reads on Alisae seem forced, and your scum reads on me seem opportunistic.-
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In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).-
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I'm trying not to be so aggressive :lIn post 171, Zyf wrote:
thoroughly concerned because desperado vote was half bait and you're awfully swingy based on whether or not I'm pushing youIn post 170, Superhans wrote: thanks for looking out for me
but there are more concerning things to take care of rn, so if you could kindly please vote desperado because i need some answers-
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@Zyf at the time I thought that you had slipped up as scum, and I had caught you... vote on you was a scum vote to get you to explain yourself. I think because I wasn't clear enough, because your response was basically a 'wut?' and then onslaught of (in my opinion rather poor logic) scum attack on me.
Whats an HE?-
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? There wasn't a wagon on you...In post 175, Zyf wrote:
ok that makes more sense, thank youIn post 172, Superhans wrote:@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).
what effects were you looking for, exactly?
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Anyway, the fact that they say hi to uzi and then just vote me without saying anything like "let's get a wagon going" would be fine, except for the fact that they tried to initiate RQS after. It was a rather weak push (I didn't have much to work with), but evidently it got the game off the ground.
The vote on you was not opportunistic. The vote on you was because it felt like you were being opportunistic by trying to join a wagon that was an RVS wagon, except that you were doing it seriously but without any reasoning.-
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we've got like 2 days or something till we need a lynch... not infeasible that scum could just coast through D1 without posting.In post 191, Zyf wrote:
dudeIn post 188, Superhans wrote:There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt-
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shiiit my bad, im playing open 663, and i think i got them mixed up >:(In post 195, Zyf wrote:In post 187, James3 wrote:
ok wow extremely scummy shit right hereIn post 193, Superhans wrote:
we've got like 2 days or something till we need a lynch... not infeasible that scum could just coast through D1 without posting.In post 191, Zyf wrote:
dudeIn post 188, Superhans wrote:There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt
we have 11 days
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