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My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.
My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.
Counter-claim! VOTE: Dave
Why did you unvote?
Are you scumreading me for unvoting a meme vote?
Not scum-reading you yet. Just trying to sort out your actions. Why did you feel you needed to unvote your meme vote?
In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.
Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?
I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.
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Post #166 (isolation #10) » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:32 pm
Postby Toto »
Even if Aubrey was scum, those posts were intended as pure joke. There is no way in hell a wagon was going to build up. As our late Eric was pointing out it takes 7 people to a lynch, that'd require a pretty mindless town. I'd be slightly more worried about them if Gamma flips scum and even then I'd be reaching.
In post 102, Toto wrote:Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.
If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.
Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?
I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.
This is the second time I have seen an excuse for misinterpreting by this slot.
Are you talking about me here? I don't understand.
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Post #323 (isolation #12) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:21 am
Postby Toto »
In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, I was talking about you. I can't be arsed to go find the other quote that you did this. I will say you do seem a little opportunistic like someone (forgot who) said. The jump on Dave wasn't a good look for you. I wouldn't argue the point if I was you cuz that would not be smart. I haven't seen you really make any kind of impact on this game as well.
Let me get this straight. You throw a shade on me and I should just let it go without asking you to explain what you meant?
Also, like 5 people voted or wanted to vote him after I RVS voted and asked him a simple question which he refused to answer. If Dave is town, why am I the opportunistic one here? Why are you and Trascend (that's who you forgot, btw) not looking at anyone else in that wagon?
And how can you say I have no impact when that has been the only large wagon in this game. Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.
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Post #357 (isolation #13) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:06 pm
Postby Toto »
Catching up...
In post 323, Toto wrote:Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.
LQ. You didn't answer this.
In post 324, LicketyQuickety wrote:In other words, you can base pretty much nothing on BW at this stage of the game. You do not pass go, you do not collect $200.
My point is that opportunistic scum are generally in the middle of the wagon because that allows them to fly under the radar more easily. The first few and last votes are the ones that gather more attention.
Spoiler: Aubrey's post about Dave's BW
In post 328, Aubrey wrote:I don't know how I feel about Toto. Please explain to me why it is so opportunistic? Like he said wouldn't it be more opportunistic regarding those who jumped on once the wagon began to build? In order...
Toto: Post 42 (Basically RVS it seems with like a hint of real questioning. Once he is pushed he says he wasn't fond of the suicidal play in post 125)
Lethargy: post 56 + 57 (continues adding onto the wagon saying he is deflecting and scum with Transcend. Latter part probably being RVS talk.)
Gamma: post 58 and post 61 (says obvious scum for the self vote. Eh. No, not necessarily.)
Dave: himself post 59 (I mean yea it's weird, but seems like playful town who doesn't care about being serious just yet. Seems a bit early for scum to freak out and think, "
Oh shit gotta do something crazy to get these peeps off me.
")
Ssbm: post 60 who is the final vote on the bandwagon who continued to add onto the wagon because he never addressed toto only to hop off immediately once he realizes the vote count, but was still interested in lynching/pushing the slot based on his comment in post 63.
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So, why is Toto the most likely to be scum (should their be scum) on this wagon based on opportunism? I'd be interested in hearing Transcend chime in on this since he was the first person to argue this in post 97 + 101, but has now moved onto new votes.
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phew. That outlines the whole Dave bandwagon pretty much.
Thanks for writing this out. You missed DeerMan who declared intent to vote.
In post 113, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty wrote:Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.
Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?
In post 344, LicketyQuickety wrote:The reason I thought the vote was opportunistic is because there was such little basis for the vote all the while trying to make more of a reason out of it than there was. It also "felt" a lot stronger than an RVS vote. In other words, there was intent behind the vote that was unjustified.
I RVS selected him because of the claim joke drew my attention it was only afterwards that I noticed the unvote and decided to probe. To be honest I was expecting something like "the wagon was building up but my vote was random so I wanted to remove because I'm not voting him for real" and move on with life. But there is something wrong about his reaction and his response to my original question that still bothers me. I'll explain later. First I want to see Dave's catch up post.
Also, Aubrey is still my top town read.
I don't like LQ too much, but I have mixed feelings after that exchange with Aubrey.
My guess is there is at least one scum in {Dave, LQ, Trascend, Gamma, Alban}
I think sbbm is town even though the arguments for pushing Aubrey were wrong.
I have a slight town read on Key but want to see more. Rest are null at this point.
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Post #358 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:00 pm
Postby Toto »
Actually Alban's ISO is not that bad. I think it was those post about Key being an active lurker that gave some bad vibes but I think he just doesn't understand what active lurking is.
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Post #363 (isolation #16) » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:31 pm
Postby Toto »
@Gamma
Well is the fact that it's a bunch of one liner comments on what's going on or shading. No substantial game-solving. i.e. I don't see anything townie.
I'm not voting you because you are not my top scum read.
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Post #549 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:17 pm
Postby Toto »
Not sure what to make of Alban's wagon to be honest.
Alban himself says he was joking to lynchbait (that's what I understood at least) but the posts seem like he is genuinely angry. At the same time some of the posts do read like angry town.
Most suspicious participation goes to Dave who threw a shade in the wagon and never voted it. At least we know Dave and Alban are def. not scum buddies.
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Post #643 (isolation #22) » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:43 pm
Postby Toto »
I don't know if Gamma is really uninterested in the game or if is all just an act. His response to my question also doesn't make any sense either.
VOTE: Gamma
In post 559, Gamma Emerald wrote:I missed you mentioning Dave in that scumpool earlier so I assumed you figured someone was bussing him.
Like the more times I read that the less it makes sense to me. You saw:
1) I was voting Dave.
2) I told you I'm not voting You because you are not my top scum read.
2) Dave is not in my scum list (according to you this is what you misread).
Why don't you just ask me why am I voting Dave if Dave is not in my scum list? How do you make the mental leap to "So Toto thinks someone is bussing Dave"?
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Post #666 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:49 am
Postby Toto »
In post 645, Gamma Emerald wrote:You had a bracketed list of scum
I missed daves name in there
I assumed that meant you thought someone was bussing him
Yes, that's what I said in my post. What I don't understand is how you got from (2) to (3)?
Let me put it this way. I see player A voting player B. Player A publishes a list of scum reads that doesn't include player B. My first reaction would be to say "Hey Player A, you are voting player B but you are not scum reading them, why?" How did you not find that suspicious instead?
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Post #715 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:20 pm
Postby Toto »
Everyone is just voting randomly in this game and no body is asking questions. When I ask questions I get nil answers back, and nobody seems to care.
Gamma whats your case against Trascend? Why are you not questioning him?
Trascend, whats your case against LQ? Why not questioning him?
LQ why are you still voting an empty slot? How are you going to question an empty slot?
All these behaviors are scummy.
Lethargy/Chilled/Keyen/Dave have provided very little ACTUAL content. Deer and Cracker have pratically not been in the game.
Dave's every second post of his little list of posts is scummy yet no one wants to vote him. Town!dave unvotes to avoid a ML at RVS and then suddenly changes his attitude from careful townie to a reckless one by self voting. Then he says both votes were meme votes. I've been trying to get a read list from him but at this point he is just balantly game avoiding.
Gamma is showing 0 scumhunting in their content. Read their ISO. Look at the way he is replying to my questions. Tell me if you believe the answers. I have 0 feedback from everyone else.
If either of them flips scum Trascend would be my next best guess since there is a good chance he was chainsawing me. All he does is provides empty reads / votes and doesn't do anything to really move the game forward.
My only town reads today have been Aubrey and to a lesser extent Alban. Alban you have a really bad sense of humor but I think you are town.
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Post #744 (isolation #26) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:45 am
Postby Toto »
In post 735, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What do you think about me voting alban? I noticed I was left out of this post and I'm pretty sure I'm the only player you left off. I've also pushed both of your townreads this game, and it seems like a lot of people think my pushes on them are bad, so why don't you address that at all? Unless I missed it earlier lol
Yeah. I knew I was forgetting someone. I've already addressed your push on Aubrey and I stand by it. I don't have a strong read on you but I'm leaning town. Your vote post for Alban and your reasoning looks genuine. The only thing that gave me a bit of pause was the timing. I found your interaction / comments about Trascend a bit suspicious but you already addressed that.
The fact that you are pushing my town reads is NAI to me. I'm more interested in why you are pushing them and how.
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Post #779 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:02 pm
Postby Toto »
In post 120, Aubrey wrote:You are missing my entire point. You can't say, "Hey guys let's start narrowing down some lynch options!" Without bringing forward reads. More importantly you said this at a time in which the game just started, and there was no info on the board to even accomplish it. Even now you're saying, " I have no info to work with, but let's get a move on and narrow down some lynch options!"
If you're going to say this then you need to be proactive about it and stop relying on other ppl to do all the work to accomplish this.
Further more, there is more to this game than just night kill analysis.
Like here they are voting Eric but at the same time they are trying to help newbtown!eric.
Obviously this doesn't mean Aubrey is town by itself but it is one of the reasons I started town reading them early on and there are a few other posts that I've liked too appart from the general attitude to bring the game forward.
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Post #905 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:17 pm
Postby Toto »
I feel this game is not going anywhere without more people involved.
My town read on key went stale. I think he is a good player but he is not putting too much thought or effort in this game. Given the game state is probably NAI but it is not helping either.
From the less active players I like chill the most.
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Post #1003 (isolation #35) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:22 am
Postby Toto »
Hello. I have very limited access and time since Im travelling, and wont be able to post much today and tomorrow is going to be busy for me.
Ive already explained my vote on dave multiple times. it stayed there because I was waiting for him to respond to the case or post a catch post so I could get a better read.
I feel some people are voting me as a compromise so I don't know what else I can say to that other than I will flip green.
I will do a full re read when I'm in front of a pc again.
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Post #1042 (isolation #36) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:50 pm
Postby Toto »
I unvoted because Im on vl/a and don't have time to keep up with the thread...
I already explained my case on david. When I scumhunt I look for inconsistencies in personalities. The david that unvotes an rvs vote on a growing wagon is a careful david. The david that self votes is a reckless david. There is no way a self vote is a meme vote like he says. You don't vote yourself with 5 other votes for no reason whatsoever. You are trying to make a point that you don't care if you get lynched. How is that consistent with his previous action? Why doesn't he care if he dies but cares enough to remove his meme vote.
All he did this game was game avoid. He shaded Alban but never voted him he . He never gave a catch up post or A read list. He is never in the thread but now that Im being wagoned he suddenly appears very promptly and coms up with some bs reason to vote me. THAT is very OPORTUNiSTIC.
Dave you could have made the same case against me all game. Why did you wait for this moment? Ill let you take your time to answer that.
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Post #1116 (isolation #37) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:08 pm
Postby Toto »
VOTE: Dave
If my posts are illogical feel free to refute them. You are just trying to discredit my words. You should also answer my question. Why vote me now and not before?
@keine I never said Chill was a strong town read. I think I liked his posts more than other people I was looking at then that were also not being very active.
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Post #1149 (isolation #38) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:38 am
Postby Toto »
I wish I had more time to post and read through the full game but It is going to be a bad week at work.
Lynching for information would generally sound good to me however right now feels really stupid because I already know the result and I realize it is a bad idea anyway. We should lynch the scummiest read of each because THAT maximizes information for town.
If you think Im scummier than Dave by all means hammer me. I really hope you have a plan of what to do when I flip green. I would suggest lynching Dave tomorrow but I realize I may be tunneling here and it is your call.
If not the best thing for town is to vote your strongest scum read. There is 100% chance I will flip green. I realize you don't have to take my word for it but it is the truth.
I did not have other stronger scum read other than Dave. I was scum reading gamma before because of game avoiding and somewhat iioa comments, and also for that weird comment he made about someone bussing dave but lately gamma townesd up a bit. If Dave flips scum Transcend would be a good candidate to look at next.
I really don't know what to make of everyone else in my wagon right now since Im pretty pissed off by a this. But I doubt everyone in there really thinks Im scummier than others and there must be a good reason for why they are voting me.
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Post #1232 (isolation #39) » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:45 pm
Postby Toto »
Still alive!
Aubrey's reaction is a bit worrying but I think scum!Aubrey doesn't make sense because they would not try to get rid of me since Ive been openly town reading them.
Getting out of bed, will post more thoughts in a few hours.
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Post #1273 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:04 am
Postby Toto »
In post 1261, alban wrote:Your 768 is way too emphatic in conclusions, and 779 is not a good enough evidence to back such an emphatic townread on her. In fact, you are watering it down by saying, this doesn't mean she is town etc etc.
That post by itself is not evidence enough but combined with their general attitude of trying to sort things out, and a few other posts that I have liked, is what is giving me a town read. You can always find ways to refute whatever I will point out. I find it a lot easier and effective to townhunt than to scumhunt and I don't think Aubrey is a good lynch today. If you have something to convince me otherwise please do so.
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Post #1284 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:30 am
Postby Toto »
In post 1280, alban wrote:My 1261 should already convey to you how I am convinced that Aubrey isn't a good lynch as of now, but how I am using your townread on him as a means to test your towniness.
And my point is that I already explained why I think they are more likely to be town so unless you have something to point out I don't see the point of this conversation. I can not prove she is town but I can only explain why I think she is town. We can go on like this forever.
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Post #1285 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:41 am
Postby Toto »
In post 763, alban wrote:Scumhunting is not working in this game.
Let's start with townreads.
Aubrey is being townread universally. Why?
LQ, Transcend, Toto and Keyen
have been especially confident in their townreads of Aubrey.
Would like everyone, especially these 4, to list their reasons for their reads on Aubrey.
I find him null. Everything he has done is NAI. If you think otherwise, feel free to contradict.
Also I find it weird that it was you that started this movement and I was the pretty much the only one that answered your question from that group, and you chose to focus on me. Why are you not questioning the rest?
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Post #1290 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:00 am
Postby Toto »
So far my strongest lead has been Dave. I have tried to get answers from him but he is just avoiding the game. I summarized my case here: 1042.
Gamma has pinged me and I have questioned her but I think it is just their play-style.
Alban is pining me now, but I may be omgsing. Ever since he was wagoned and was TR by a few people (me included) he took a back sit and is keeping a low profile. We don't have PRs so I don't know why he would do that. His vote on me is very comfortable since he doesn't really provide a strong reason to keep it there and I feel he is tricking me with this town read business.
p-edit. My activity (number of posts) is low but I have provided content. I don't like posting fluff.
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Post #1312 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:12 am
Postby Toto »
In post 1149, Toto wrote:I wish I had more time to post and read through the full game but It is going to be a bad week at work.
Lynching for information would generally sound good to me however right now feels really stupid because I already know the result and I realize it is a bad idea anyway. We should lynch the scummiest read of each because THAT maximizes information for town.
If you think Im scummier than Dave by all means hammer me. I really hope you have a plan of what to do when I flip green. I would suggest lynching Dave tomorrow but I realize I may be tunneling here and it is your call.
If not the best thing for town is to vote your strongest scum read. There is 100% chance I will flip green. I realize you don't have to take my word for it but it is the truth.
I did not have other stronger scum read other than Dave. I was scum reading gamma before because of game avoiding and somewhat iioa comments, and also for that weird comment he made about someone bussing dave but lately gamma townesd up a bit. If Dave flips scum Transcend would be a good candidate to look at next.
I really don't know what to make of everyone else in my wagon right now since Im pretty pissed off by a this. But I doubt everyone in there really thinks Im scummier than others and there must be a good reason for why they are voting me.
Not much has changed since here. Alban is really pinging me more now. He put me in a difficult situation: if I talk I get lynched. If I don't talk I get lynched too.
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Post #1313 (isolation #49) » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:12 am
Postby Toto »
In post 1149, Toto wrote:I wish I had more time to post and read through the full game but It is going to be a bad week at work.
Lynching for information would generally sound good to me however right now feels really stupid because I already know the result and I realize it is a bad idea anyway. We should lynch the scummiest read of each because THAT maximizes information for town.
If you think Im scummier than Dave by all means hammer me. I really hope you have a plan of what to do when I flip green. I would suggest lynching Dave tomorrow but I realize I may be tunneling here and it is your call.
If not the best thing for town is to vote your strongest scum read. There is 100% chance I will flip green. I realize you don't have to take my word for it but it is the truth.
I did not have other stronger scum read other than Dave. I was scum reading gamma before because of game avoiding and somewhat iioa comments, and also for that weird comment he made about someone bussing dave but lately gamma townesd up a bit. If Dave flips scum Transcend would be a good candidate to look at next.
I really don't know what to make of everyone else in my wagon right now since Im pretty pissed off by a this. But I doubt everyone in there really thinks Im scummier than others and there must be a good reason for why they are voting me.
Not much has changed since here. Alban is really pinging me more now. He put me in a difficult situation: if I talk I get lynched. If I don't talk I get lynched too.
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Post #1519 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:35 pm
Postby Toto »
I see D2 is going to be about as enjoyable as D1.
Dave Im sorry but if you are reading this you almost got me lynched yesterday by not cooperating and answering my questions and you got yourself lynched for the same reason. Your attitude is not helpful for town and game throwing. Im not sure whats the point of playing the game like you do.
@keine I dont know what questions Ive avoided answering so please clarify. Im on my mobile and cant find posts.
Key's posting today is worrying me a little bit. Also PLEASE swap your avi back to something else.
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Post #1531 (isolation #54) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:00 am
Postby Toto »
In post 1526, keyenpeydee wrote:Lol I am not. What do you expect scum to do? Of course Kill the most protown here in the game. You're saying like it's not an obvious thing that scum would do.
Im not saying that. It makes sense but why did you decide to post that in the first place?
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Post #1592 (isolation #55) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:59 pm
Postby Toto »
Kein I already answered the chill question on D1 and I never said I was strong tr him. I was looking at innactive slots and from those chilled few analytical posts gave me the better vibes.
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Post #1673 (isolation #56) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:55 pm
Postby Toto »
In post 1641, Gamma Emerald wrote:People I have solid TRs on
ssbm
LQ
Toto
alban
Weaker TRs
KT
Chilledtea
SRs
Transcend
keyen
Not winning any Participation Awards
Deimos
Vedith
Why is sbbm so high in this list?
I had a slight tr on vedith d1 but I agree we havent seen much of him lately.
In post 1715, KainTepes wrote:I AM OK WITH VOTING GAMMA....... or............. lick............!!! i will join the WAGON THAT BIGGER...... we just lynch ONE TODAY THE OTHER TOMORROW THEN WE WINll
What happened to Toto?
This is a good question
Im going to wait for slots to catch up but I think I can gamesolve soon. Alban/arc is pretty much conf town at this point