Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

[iraonavp]

Hi, everyone!

I'm town-aligned.

Transcend, why are you voting me? I'll try to read the thread and decide who to vote...

[iraonavp]

Okay, I read Wingback and Tenshii's ISOs, I agree Tenshii is town-aligned.

Just sounds really honest... I also agree that he wouldn't go so far as to actively dismantle the case against karnos if they were scum-aligned together.

Actually it does bother me a bit that he defends karnos when he's just a null-aligned read, but overall I still think Tenshii is town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I am building the fence.

[iraonavp]

I don't know, but I'll come back tomorrow when I have time!

[iraonavp]

Hammering yourself is basically gamethrowing if you are town-aligned...

Okay, I think it is mhsmith0 then, if not probably Transcend.

Looking at Kdcaspot's posts, he calls karnos scum-aligned while not voting him or doing anything, then spends the entire time trying to lynch Killthestory...

[iraonavp]

@Ira: you still in the middle of your first read through or is this as you read along? wrt KC, what's your thoughts on the discussion on page 82, starting 2026? And is this specific scum-reading me/trans or is this more of a PoE thing?

I'm just reading ISO posts, unfortunately doesn't seem possible for me to follow the game chronologically because there's too many posts...

I think you are scum-aligned, not sure how to answer that.

Actually, I would rather lynch Tenshii before lynching Transcend...

Looking at Kdcaspot's posts, he calls karnos scum-aligned while not voting him or doing anything, then spends the entire time trying to lynch Killthestory...

Well, he suggested that KTS/Karnos were a scumteam together. It's possible we're looking at a coincidence here (a town-aligned player voting for the scummier member of their "scumteam"), or he just didn't like the wagon composition at the time (he had me as a scumlean). That's not to say a scum-aligned kcdaspot couldn't have acted the way he did, it's just not as strong reasoning as I would hope.

Walk me through scum!Transcend?

I think it's "vote townie, fos: buddy"...

I don't know, I don't intend to read his ISO unless I get really bored because it's so long and his play is 90% WIFOM. Just seems like he would be the type of person to hard defend his partner on day 1 and his appeals to emotion that I saw don't seem very genuine to me.

[iraonavp]

I have no problem w that. Assuming karnos is town (which is not certain; his "lynch io tomorrow" twilight post is easy to make as a wolf regardless of io alignment), then we will be a step behind. Fortunately there are no nk's until n3.

Ps for the record, a good townie response by karnos would basically be to spam his reads and make sure he gives us as much info as he can. If he was simply being annoyed or something, it's explainable but not optimal. So it'd be nice if karnos spammed twilight w thoughts/reads, if he was town. It's really be nice if he was a wolf, though obviously I wouldn't expect it in that case.

This sounds like he knows that karnos is scum-aligned... If I was in that situation, I would not even consider that he could be lying, not make overly wordy explanation like he's uninformed.

It also looks like a bus from how he just moves from Luna Fox to karnos suddenly, then discredits his own read on Luna Fox. I think he was rushing to make sure that he was on the wagon.

Fwiw I'd laugh my ass of post game if this whole back and forth was scum theater between two people who know a town flip is coming. Since I think odds are decent of karnos flipping red, not any kind of priority right now though.

This doesn't seem genuine opinion on someone who claimed that they were town-aligned, and he is contradicting himself here because he was assuming that karnos was town-aligned before... It doesn't even make sense to say this if he thinks karnos is scum-aligned. This post is the actual scum-aligned theater! The reasons he gives for why karnos is scum-aligned seem like confirmation bias and he has too much information.

A lot of the questions he asks, like 808 and 876, seem very leading and like he is afraid and walking on eggshells. Especially how he just writes a request and then puts a question mark at the end, very scum-aligned...

because i know i'm not scum so i have to survive to prevent a mislynch?

how stupid can you be.

Except we have multiple mislynches we can afford before we lose. So while surviving is nice as town, it's not remotely necessary to win. As a wolf, on the other hand, survival is absolutely paramount. So if you're showing survivalistic tendencies, then yes that's suspicious. In this situation, it absolutely has to be.

This sounds like he is talking to someone he thinks is town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

what changed your mind on both me and tenshii?

also i'd suggest reading the thread at least once start to finish over the next few days; some players won't bother after subbing in (cough, cough, thor) but I think it's good practice to develop informed opinions. ISO's can give you a general sense of what a player is saying, but you'll pretty commonly miss context, especially for players who generally don't quote things they're responding to (as well as quick shot back and forth conversations).

What? I didn't change my mind...

I usually try to read the thread when I replace in, but there are 90 pages here... I might read it, depends if I have time. I do look at context when I see something important while I'm reading the ISOs, though!

[iraonavp]

Yes, that's what I mean...

I don't think you really care about the answers and just trying to disassemble anything said towards you.

[iraonavp]

I was surprised, still thought it was mhsmith0 even more strongly... Good job, gigabyteTroubadour!