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I am not igonring the votes placed upon him, i just dont vote until i have a certain ammount of townreads to PoE the game.In post 27, Io wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Also i like the logic thor portrays here.In post 28, Thor665 wrote:
That logic would make Transcend scum - so why aren't you voting the larger wagon?In post 27, Io wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Why?In post 33, Killthestory wrote:quickhammer within 5 pages~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Once again why?In post 35, Killthestory wrote:because i said so
I hope we dont go into an endless loop like last time with you arguing with me about me getting gut townreads.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Good to know, i've also changed a bit since our last game ^_^In post 39, Killthestory wrote:gut townreads are great.
i don't think you're playing with the same player as you were before.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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1) Mostly gut, but sometimes evidence (like counterwagons, etc) plays a big part.In post 42, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence?
2. How would you describe your level of experience?
3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO?
4. What's your Myers-briggs personality type? Here's a link to a test for it if you don't know yours, but you can skip this one if you don't feel like wasting time.
I ask this because a lot of my scumhunting comes from putting myself into other player's shoes and using that to figure out their motives, so knowing how someone thinks is useful for that. I don't really know how successful this'll be but it's worth a shot!
5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general?
6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline?
7. Are you scum?
2) Moderate.
3 )Multi-ISO or ISO.
4) Apparently protagonist ^_^;;
5) I dont like policy lynching, and i dont think that Lynch all lurkers is specifically policy.
6) I feel it's a good idea to utilize whatever i feel it's necessary.
7) No
Counterquestion to 7. Do you think scum would say Yes?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean, im outgoing etc irl, but im not sure im the same in mafia although im usually a very active poster, and i dont consider myself that charismatic in mafia.
Most of the stuff i've read about it seems true about me however XD
Didn't know about this personality test so thanks for showing it to me, I hope that helps you read me in the long run.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Actually this makes sense with the vote, sooooo nvm.
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I've been guilty of this, because RQS usually looks like busywork.In post 72, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:It's null, some people think that RQS is just fluff (or even scummy, I've seen in some games :/)
What sold me was your question 4, I think it's a good thing because putting yourself in other shoes by knowing their personality helps you read them much more easily and that feels Pro-Town to me.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I defended you?In post 90, Transcend wrote:Oh and also i fos luna fox for early defense on me~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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So, do you agree with quicklynching someone you're null on within 5 pages?In post 94, Transcend wrote:In post 33, Killthestory wrote:quickhammer within 5 pagesJust a lil red flag to me my friend that i tried to lynch in a marathon game but got nked by.
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So, because i questioned someone for wanting a quicklynch on someone im null-reading, im scum.In post 97, Transcend wrote:I think no one does and most likely i wasn't gonna actually get hammered. So your reaction to what kts said feels scummy.
Because apparently that's easier to do than just not comment at all.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Well sure, but wouldnt it benefit a supposed scum me to not defend a town slot and watch it get quicklynched anyway?In post 100, Transcend wrote:
to me it read more like "i'm defending this slot that i know is town from getting flashwagoned" than "we shouldn't hammer right away".Luna Fox wrote:
So, because i questioned someone for wanting a quicklynch on someone im null-reading, im scum.In post 97, Transcend wrote:I think no one does and most likely i wasn't gonna actually get hammered. So your reaction to what kts said feels scummy.
Because apparently that's easier to do than just not comment at all.
Question to you:
Why wont Town me who doesnt know your and KTS alignment's see it as a questionable action?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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1. Yeah it would, and its more than likely what i've done as scum, but lol self-meta.In post 102, Transcend wrote:1. I wasn't getting QH'd more likely than not. I think if you are scum and you didn't defend me it would look better on your persona honestly.
2. Why are you so defensive over a fos I have based on one thing? KTS is a seasoned player, I've played with him before. He's probably smart enough to not actually let me get flashwagoned. At most it was just overblown RVS and you white-knighting me looks forced. I personally didn't find his actions questionable and I'm not sure why you did.
2. Because i form reads via interaction, i questioned your motives, i prodded you to see if they are genuine, idc how seasoned KTS is, or whether they'd actually go through with it, i questioned YOUR motives in your read of me. Because at initial gut it looks like scum looking for a quick swipe on town. Why should i be townreading you?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I dont think they're necessarily lying, but i think they need to explain it better because i also dont know what they're referring toIn post 96, karnos wrote:
I think you are lying. Didn't you say town doesn't have a good reason to lie in this setup?In post 89, Io wrote:
But that's not what I was saying. I was saying you were claiming to want him lynched and claiming to have never pushed for his lynched at the same time.In post 84, karnos wrote:If you really think I was trying to argue that Thor & I actually are both scum, please just quick lynch me now, I don't want to be a part of this town.
"don't see a reason to really lie as town this game as there is no power roles to lie about"
Yes, you did.
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Are you srs.In post 120, Transcend wrote:nothing at all other than his vote is probably wrong.
He's boldly accusing your townread of lying.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Yeah karnos might be town. 139 looks like newbtown attitude to me.
One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that? I'm not sure how good Thor is or isnt as scum, but i don't think an experienced player would make that kind of move, so im on the fence there.
I already explained my thoughts regarding the sheep, because i think it makes more sense if that's what actually happened.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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3 townreads and 1 strong townread.In post 152, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
How's your PoE going?In post 151, Luna Fox wrote:Tbh i think you guys are underestimating scum mindsets and overestimating town mindsets, and that is fine, i see that all the time. But when someone does something stupid, it's most likely town ^^
Still a long ways to go.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I really would like for others to post more often.
Been trying to asses Thor's posts, but i have a hard time leaning either way, like all his posts make sense, but it's not like scum couldn't make them mostly coz they also make sense.
Dunno if that makes any sense, my gut's screaming town tho.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I disagree!In post 183, karnos wrote:You are pushing this inane theory that you are really good at town-reading people but really bad at scum reading them, which doesn't pass muster. There is no inherent difference between a scum read and a town read, they both measure the same thing, but town is on the positive scale and scum is on the negative.
I town hunt because im better at finding town than scum!~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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The conclusion is identical, the process is different.In post 187, karnos wrote:*banging head against wall*
If you can find town, then by process of elimination you found scum too. The process is identical.
If anything i'd argue that process of elimination gets better results than scumreading ppl for silly things.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In my case i only use 4 ranks "Super town" "Strong town" "Townreads" and "Leftovers" i usually lynch within the left overs, and "Super town" are people im 100% sure dont need reevaluation to the point of risking the game.
I just find myself better at noticing patterns in tone and posting that mean town, because when i try to find patterns that i think are scummy, i end up making silly accusations or mislynch people more often.
Also i feel like i had this same discussion in another game months ago, right KTS?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Not really.In post 193, karnos wrote:
I'm sorry you are in denial here, but you are wrong. The process of scum hunting means looking at every player, and picking out the one who seems least likely to flip town. There is no difference at all between reading scum and reading town.In post 191, Luna Fox wrote:Regardless, that's really tangential.
Karnos argues that you cant be bad at scumreading people but good at townreading people because it's the same thing.
Which isn't true, imo.
While yes i'd be picking the one least likely to flip town, what you usually use as your process of scumhunting is picking a post or series of posts that look scummy, and vote the player.
Now let's see here what you usually define as "scummy" can be done by both Town and Scum, there's no way you wont make mislynches if you just guide yourself with "scummyness" to vote players.
Which is why i go to the opposite, i try to find genuinity and transparency, as well as general trends that i find townie, because imo scum needs to be really good to fake anything like that.
These process are entirely different, the conclusion is the same, the only difference is that the reason for the "scumreads" is "PoE" on my case.
(Oh and btw, usually scum players latch onto "Scummyness" of town players to generate mislynches)~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In other news.
Regardless what's happening here is a difference on opinion, and i don't think it's adding anything to the game, if you want to argue otherwise then by all means continue with this debate of scumhunting vs townhunting, but i think it will only end up in a loop.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Answer: If X player im not townreading is because they havent given any town vibes on any other posts, not specific posts.In post 197, karnos wrote:Anyway, hypothetical question: Is there any player you do not town-read right now? Can you point at any post they made and say that was part of the reason why you don't town read them? If so, you successfully read a player as scummy! Congratulations.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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No, but it has a high success rate so far.In post 197, karnos wrote:Are you making the claim that your method never results in a miss-lynch?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Oh noes!In post 218, Kcdaspot wrote:Or shall it be killthestory calling for a lynch by page 5?
be careful coz Transcend is now gonna scumread you for "defending" him!
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If you say so.In post 224, Kcdaspot wrote:PoE in of itself is scummy broseph. the fact you trying it D1 is PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I like how you've improved since the last time we played ^_^In post 232, Killthestory wrote:Don't be mean about how others play the game. All approaches to the game are allowed and fully encouraged. Just because someone isn't doing a common strategy doesn't make them any less of a player or person. Be nice.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Please play nice.In post 234, Kcdaspot wrote:OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY KTS FRONT LIKE HE A SASSY LIL GIRL~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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That explains everything.In post 241, Kcdaspot wrote:hey i came from the school of fate and kuribo.
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And what if you're scum.In post 241, Kcdaspot wrote:again i can be nice but this spastic style of mine forces reaction which scum have trouble with. even if I dont find the scum straight away whoever interacts with me give themselves up to better scumhunters like my main man Papa smurf
Doesn't this spastic style of yours help you hide it?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I'm way too nice to be annoyed by his playstyle tbh.
But toxic environments lead to stuff like 260, but at this point not much can be done other than ask the mod to do something about it or replace out.
Now the issue is that we're talking about his toxicity instead of his alignment, and that's bad.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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